On 12 Jun 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Do you resent being forced to transition to digital television? Do you r being forced to transition to flatscreen TVs and monitors instead of CRT

Actually, yes to the first one. We could get free TV here, from three different TV markets, until digital. The digital broadcasts do not
travel and maintain integrity as far. It would have been OK had they
not forced the analog broadcasts to be turned off. Now we cannot get
free, OTA television.

Fair enough. My interest in retrocomputing makes me resent the second a
little.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

Excuse me, what? There are no black people in Texas?

The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it's

not tha

in Texas.

You're right. Texicans have brown power.

The four most commonly-spoken languages in Texas are English, Spanish, Vietnamese, and Chinese. Tagalog is fifth, just barely edging out German, French, Hindi, Urdu, Korean, and Arabic (in that order).

English, combined with Spanish, is Spanglish. The most common
language in Texas, as spoken by Texicans. All other languages pale
in comparison. I rest my case.

For Life,
Lee

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"using or involving physical force to hurt or kill something." The definition is obsolete if "aggravtated sexual assault" isn't consider "violent."

WHAT SPECIFIC WORD ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT?

Violence. Tell me how aggravated sexual assault is "non-violent," since it's listed as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense.

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How do you know that people who commit aggravated sexual assault are eligible for cashless bail? Yesterday you thought there was no cash bail in NYS.

I gave you the link to the news report. The media are your friends.

It doesn't say "releases on cashless bail," now does it?

When they say "bail reform" they're talking about cashless bail. That's what the article is all about.

https://www.pressconnects.com/story/opinion/2020/01/10/new-york-bail- fred-akshar-opinion-op-ed/2847544001/

Ah, an op-ed. Nice.

There are facts in there.

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The Democrats in my state rely on black votes for power, it way in Texas.

And that's why you say I don't "get" black people?

You don't get it that they (some of them) will thank Cuomo for the lo incarceration rate, and they'll thank him by voting Democrat.

So you're saying that the majority of the people who benefit from
cashless bail are black, by which you mean that most criminals are
black? And that doesn't sound racist to you?

No, the Democrat assemblywoman's talking point is that "cashless bail/bail reform is for racial equity." She's the one who deserves these questions, not me.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

English, combined with Spanish, is Spanglish. The most common
language in Texas, as spoken by Texicans. All other languages pale
in comparison. I rest my case.

Hmm. I'm not so sure about that. There are an awful lot of people here who speak only English and insist that others do the same.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

How do you know that people who commit aggravated sexual assault are eligible for cashless bail? Yesterday you thought there was no cash b in NYS.

I gave you the link to the news report. The media are your friends.

It was an op-ed, not a "news report."

It doesn't say "releases on cashless bail," now does it?

When they say "bail reform" they're talking about cashless bail. That's what the article is all about.

It's an op-ed, not an article. People can say whatever they want in an op-ed.

Ah, an op-ed. Nice.

There are facts in there.

There are purported facts in there.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

So you're saying that the majority of the people who benefit from cashless bail are black, by which you mean that most criminals are black? And that doesn't sound racist to you?

No, the Democrat assemblywoman's talking point is that "cashless
bail/bail reform is for racial equity." She's the one who deserves these questions, not me.

Equity: justice according to natural law or right; specifically: freedom from bias or favoritism

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equity

If black people are statistically poorer than white people, but cash bail amounts do not take a person's financial situation into account, then there
is a lack of equity based on race.

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

English, combined with Spanish, is Spanglish. The most common
language in Texas, as spoken by Texicans. All other languages pale
in comparison. I rest my case.

Hmm. I'm not so sure about that. There are an awful lot of people here who speak only English and insist that others do the same.

Beto O'Rourke seems to disagree with you.
The crowd booed his opponent in Uvalde, Texas.
While at the same time giving him a rousing cheer.
It was so loud the governor had to ban him from
the gathering. Most of the crowd then followed
him out, where he continued to say his piece ...

For Life,
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Hello Aaron,

"using or involving physical force to hurt or kill something."

The

definition is obsolete if "aggravtated sexual assault" isn't

consider

"violent."

WHAT SPECIFIC WORD ARE YOU YAPPING ABOUT?

Violence.

violence -
1. physical force used so as to injure.
2. powerful force, such as a hurricane.
3. harm done by violating rights, etc.
4. violent act or deed.

source: Webster's New World Dictionary

Tell me how aggravated sexual assault is "non-violent," since it's
listed as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense.

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

For Life,
Lee

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

There are facts in there.

Remember that Lefties are fully vaccinated against facts. That's why they seem to drop off from time to time - they need to get their boosters.


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Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's
violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise. https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Bullsh!t, Aaron.

As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

Jeff.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

You seem to be confusing offenses made eligible for cashless bail with previously-bail-ineligible offenses made eligible for cash bail, both of
which were part of New York's bail reform law.

The violent crimes to which you're referring were not made eligible for cashless bail, but were previously ineligible for bail but are now eligible
for cash bail.

Here's an explanation:

"New York's new bail reform law had been in effect for a mere three months
when the state legislature amended it in early April. The most significant change is that there are more situations where judges can impose cash bail. They will also have more discretion in setting bail and other conditions of pretrial release. The updates go into effect on July 1 [2020].
[...]
"The basic framework established by the original bail reform law has not changed. For most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies, judges are still required to release people with the least restrictive conditions necessary to reas­on­ably assure the person will come back to court. For these crimes, cash bail is still prohibited.
[...]
"The original bail reform law allowed cash bail for almost all violent
felonies and certain nonviolent felonies, such as sex offenses and witness tampering. The revisions added additional crimes and circumstances to this category. They include second-degree burglary where an individual is charged with entering the living area of a home, certain sex trafficking offenses, and promoting an obscene sexual performance of a child. They also include some crimes involving assault, including vehicular assault, and all charges alleged to have caused the death of a person.
[...]
"Under the revisions, judges will be able to set cash bail based not only on the crime committed but also on a person's legal history and status, allowing for more cases where bail could be used.
[...]
"Even though the new law permits the use of cash bail in more cases, it certainly is not required. Even for bail-eligible offenses, New York law
allows judges to release people under a variety of conditions pending trial designed to ensure the person’s return to court.
[...]
"There are also still various options for exactly how judges can set bail. For example, instead of cash bail, judges may also order different types of bonds, including a type where friends and family members agree to guarantee a
person's return to court, and a secured type, for which property used as collateral can be forfeited if a person fails to return to court."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/new-yorks-latest-bail-l aw-changes-explained

Jeff.

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Hello Aaron,

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it's violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

Jeff T. explained it to you so as even a child could understand.
So I will not bother to repeat.

For Life,
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On 14 Jun 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Your assertion of aggravated sexual assault as being listed
as a "non-violent" cashless bail-eligible offense is just that.
An unfounded and unsupported assertion.

It's "bail eligible under NY's new bail law." My assertion is that it violent to sexually assault someone, but the law asserts otherwise.

Jeff T. explained it to you so as even a child could understand.
So I will not bother to repeat.

I think Aaron's had his ass handed to him one too many times and doesn't want anything to do with me right now.

Jeff.

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As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

"Bail-eligible offenses under New York's new bail laws" is what it says.

Not "bail-eligible offenses."

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Nice try!

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"Even though the new law permits the use of cash bail in more cases, it certainly is not required. Even for bail-eligible offenses, New York law allows judges to release people under a variety of conditions pending trial designed to ensure the person’s return to court.

They're not doing it then, because the crime crisis is real. I used to blame Joe Biden all the time too but I guess this is actually just all
Cuomo/Hochul's fault.

They made it free to get out of jail (for most people,) and now we have a crime crisis. Plain and simple. Now, let's speculate about other possible causes of an unprecedented crime spike occuring after January 2019: hmm, maybe white supremacy? hmmmm, maybe blacks getting killed by cops? hmm, the southern strategy? hmm, I just can't say for sure but it's definitely not from the
jails being emptied though.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offens not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

"Bail-eligible offenses under New York's new bail laws" is what it says. Not "bail-eligible offenses."

As we've previously established (with a link to back it up), New York's bail reform includes both cash and cashless bail. Some offenses remain ineligible for bail of either type.

The list you've posted is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, regardless of whether they are cash- or cashless-bail-eligible. People are upset that aggravated sexual assault, for example, has been moved from the
bail-ineligible category to the cash-bail-eligible category, which is a
subset of the bail-eligible category.

But not you. You're upset because your ignorance leads you to believe that aggravated sexual assault has been moved to the cashless-bail-eligible category, which it hasn't, depsite having had this explained to you at least twice (with supporting link).

However, since you're so upset about aggravated sexual assault being moved to the cashless-bail-eligible category (which it hasn't) from the cash-bail-eligible category (which it wasn't previously in), then
unfortunately you have no room now to complain about it being cash-bail-eligible.

Jeff.

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On 12 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

We have only 1 kind of bail in NYS and it's cashless. No bail bo paying bail, just letting them out as fast as we can so they don

[REDACTED] The New York state law originally made most misdemeanors non-violent felonies eligible for cashless bail, with the remainder o bail-eligible crimes remaining eligible for cash bail. It was then
amended to move more crimes from the "cashless" to "cash" category.

I stand corrected. There's still cash bail for certain offenses, but here's where you're still wrong: You say that people don't get out on cashless bail for "violent offenses," but aggravated sexual assault (for example) sounds violent to me.

You were so close, man. So close.

Here's what I think happened:

1. You misunderstood the New York bail reform to mean that the only type of bail that New York has is cashless (which is incorrect; New York has both cashless and cash bail, depending on the offense).

2. Thinking that New York has only cashless bail, you read or heard people complaining about people being released on bail for aggravated sexual
assault. You assumed that they must be being released on cashless bail, since you were under the impression that cashless bail was the only type of bail available in NY. They were in fact complaining about people being released on cash bail for this offense, because it had previously been bail-ineligible.

3. Upon finding out that there is in fact still cash bail in New York, you acknowledged it, but can't seem to apply this to your previous thinking.

4. You continue to insist that aggravated sexual assault is cashless-bail-eligible, which it isn't, because you found it on a list of bail-eligible offenses and some part of your brain can't integrate new facts into previous conclusions.

Jeff.

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On 13 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Now, let's speculate about other
possible causes of an unprecedented crime spike occuring after January 2019:

Yes, let's. Starting with the fact that New York's bail reform legislation didn't go into effect until January of 2020.

"New York's bail reform legislation went into effect at the start of
2020 and, together with revisions passed just a few months later, changed
the likelihood of monetary bail being assessed pending the outcome of a criminal case. Broadly speaking, the law separates cases into two
categories, based on the alleged crime involved."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-reform-and-c rime-rates-new-york-state

Jeff.

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Now, let's speculate about other
possible causes of an unprecedented crime spike occuring after Januar 2019:

Yes, let's. Starting with the fact that New York's bail reform
legislation didn't go into effect until January of 2020.

You're right, I got those years mixed up. So what are the other possible
causes for the crime spike in NYS from between 2020 and now?

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On 14 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

Yes, let's. Starting with the fact that New York's bail reform legislation didn't go into effect until January of 2020.

You're right, I got those years mixed up. So what are the other possible causes for the crime spike in NYS from between 2020 and now?

There isn't enough data to tell.

"There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the bail reform law enacted in 2019, and the data does not currently support further revisions to the legislation."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-reform-and-c rime-rates-new-york-state

Keep in mind that "innocent until proven guilty" is a primary tenet of our legal system, and people eligible to be released on bail have not been convicted of the crime for which they were arrested. The time that they spend in jail awaiting trial is not a punishment for anything. (It can be converted to punitive jail time -- "time served" -- but people who are found innocent
are not considered to have received any punishment by having been imprisoned while awaiting trial. It is instead a means of ensuring that the accused is present for their hearings, trial, etc. The New York bail reform seeks to ensure that if a less restrictive means of guaranteeing their presence is available (cash bail, ankle monitor, confiscation of passport, etc.) then that should be used instead of imprisonment. Texas does not have cashless bail,
per se, but accused persons can be released "on their own recognizance,"
which is pretty much the same thing. California and other states have it as well.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/release_on_one%27s_own_recognizance

Jeff.

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"There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the bail reform law enacted in 2019, and the data does not currently support further revisions to the legislation."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-reform- rime-rates-new-york-state

I can't prove to you that the new bail laws play a role in it, but you can't prove to me that they don't play a role either. There comes a time in life to stop looking at google and KFFs for the answer to everything, and to start looking around at what's happening. Why would your pals the media want me to
be complaining about all these crazy crimes and rising crime rates? That's
what you should be asking yourself. Somebody from your people has decided to tell us all about the rising crime rates with more than enough details to back the stories up. They're gonna blow the hussle for you guys!

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On 06-13-22 20:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Jeff Thiele about Re: Cashless Bail <=-

As I told you before, that list is a list of all bail-eligible offenses, not just cashless-bail-eligible offenses.

"Bail-eligible offenses under New York's new bail laws" is what it
says.
Not "bail-eligible offenses."

https://indefenseof.us/assets/images/BAIL-ELIGIBLE-OFFENSES.pdf

Nice try!

?????????

Why are you telling Jeff nice try now that you finally agree with him?

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On 14 Jun 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

"There is no clear connection between recent crime increases and the reform law enacted in 2019, and the data does not currently support further revisions to the legislation." https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/facts-bail-re rime-rates-new-york-state

I can't prove to you that the new bail laws play a role in it, but you can't prove to me that they don't play a role either. There comes a time in life to stop looking at google and KFFs for the answer to everything, and to start looking around at what's happening.

Your ability to "look around at what's happening" is highly suspect at this point. You consult "psychics" and rely on your imagination, for crying out loud.

Why would your pals the
media want me to be complaining about all these crazy crimes and rising crime rates? That's what you should be asking yourself. Somebody from

Perhaps the media is not "complaining," but "reporting."

That's what you should be asking yourself. Somebody from
your people has decided to tell us all about the rising crime rates with more than enough details to back the stories up. They're gonna blow the hussle for you guys!

I don't deny that there's been an increase in crime. But as you've said, you cannot prove it to be related to bail reform.

You made the claim and you cannot prove it. Womp, womp, womp.

Jeff.

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