• Could not move file FFF.nnn to file area AAA

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to all on Sun Mar 17 21:16:04 2019
    Hello all,

    I keep getting this message:

    17.03.19 8:43:37 PM Could not move file Z2DAILY.073 to file area Z2DAILY. 17.03.19 8:43:37 PM Could not move file Z2PNT.Z74 to file area Z2PNT.

    How do I create the file areas when my arealist sends the "areas" in lowercase?

    (and we have determined that Winpoint ignores lowercase in the filelists) :(



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  • From Martin Foster@2:250/1.1 to August Abolins on Mon Mar 18 13:23:43 2019
    Hello August!

    17.03.19 21:16:04, August Abolins wrote to all:

    I keep getting this message:

    17.03.19 8:43:37 PM Could not move file Z2DAILY.073 to file area
    Z2DAILY.
    17.03.19 8:43:37 PM Could not move file Z2PNT.Z74 to file area
    Z2PNT.

    I'm assuming this is in your Import Log.

    How do I create the file areas when my arealist sends the "areas" in lowercase?

    You shouldn't actually need a file echos list installed for WinPoint to import file echos into their respective directories in your filebase. I've never bothered with one and everything works just fine. My "Filebase" directory is located in "C:\Users\martin\AppData\Roaming\WinPoint" and contains a sub-directory for each file echo. Each sub-directory is named the same as the file echo tag and I'm assuming that the only way that WinPoint knows where to move each file to is determined from the .TIC file.

    Here's an extract from this mornings Import log:
    ---------- 8< ----------
    18.03.19 11:43:45 File FNEWTA11.ZIP has been moved to file area FIDONEWS. 18.03.19 11:43:45 File ELST1903.ZIP has been moved to file area ECHOLIST. ---------- 8< ----------

    I have a "FIDONEWS" sub-directory in my "Filebase" directory which contains "FNEWTA11.ZIP and an "ECHOLIST" sub-directory in my "Filebase" directory which contains "ELST1903.ZIP"

    The only reason for your problem that I can think of right now is that maybe you're not receiving accompanying .TIC files ??

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Mar 18 19:18:58 2019
    Hello Martin,

    File FNEWTA11.ZIP has been moved to file area FIDONEWS.
    File ELST1903.ZIP has been moved to file area ECHOLIST.

    I have a "FIDONEWS" sub-directory in my "Filebase" directory which contains "FNEWTA11.ZIP and an "ECHOLIST" sub-directory in my "Filebase" directory which contains "ELST1903.ZIP"

    I will try to create the directories manually and report back.

    What I did during install is install the program on H:drive, and left the program to use C:drive for its default directories. Maybe this discrepency trips up the installation?

    On my laptop, the hdd is partitioned into C: and H: C: is small at 40GB, and H: is the rest at 200GB. That's just the way it arrived, previously owned.

    I *need* to keep most of the programs and data on H: because C: is almost full.


    The only reason for your problem that I can think of right now is that maybe you're not receiving accompanying .TIC files ??

    I would assume that if Winpoint is trying to move the files to a filearea, then it *knows* about the filearea name, and that would be from a .TIC



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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Mar 18 20:30:36 2019
    Hello Martin,

    UPDATE. Ido have the directories created by Winpoint, but this still keeps happening (I'll shorten the lines so they don't wrap):

    8:21:37 PM Could not move file Z2DAILY.073 to file area Z2DAILY.
    8:21:37 PM Could not move file Z2PNT.Z74 to file area Z2PNT.
    8:21:37 PM File Z2DAILY.078 has been moved to file area Z2DAILY.
    8:21:37 PM Starting Import
    8:21:37 PM Tossed 0 messages from 0 packets

    And here is the result of a manual compile-nodelist:


    8:23:54 PM Beginne Diffing
    8:23:54 PM Diffing beendet
    8:23:54 PM Beginne Verarbeitung
    8:23:54 PM 1546 EintrXge aus NODELIST.074 eingelesen
    8:23:54 PM Datei Z2PNT.* nicht gefunden!
    8:23:54 PM Fehler beim Éffnen der Pointliste Z2PNT !
    8:23:54 PM 0 doppelte EintrXge gelXscht
    8:23:55 PM Systemnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Sysopnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Standorte erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Verbindungsinformationen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Hauptindex erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Fertig

    ..so does that read success? ..or are there error messages above?
    "nicht" sounds negative. :(

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  • From Martin Foster@2:250/1.1 to August Abolins on Tue Mar 19 11:47:42 2019
    Hello August!

    18.03.19 20:30:36, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    UPDATE. Ido have the directories created by Winpoint, but this still keeps happening (I'll shorten the lines so they don't wrap):

    8:21:37 PM Could not move file Z2DAILY.073 to file area Z2DAILY.
    8:21:37 PM Could not move file Z2PNT.Z74 to file area Z2PNT.

    Are these two files actually in your "Inbound" directory, along with their accompanying .TIC files?

    8:21:37 PM File Z2DAILY.078 has been moved to file area Z2DAILY.

    Well, that worked OK :-))

    8:21:37 PM Starting Import
    8:21:37 PM Tossed 0 messages from 0 packets

    And here is the result of a manual compile-nodelist:

    8:23:54 PM Beginne Diffing
    8:23:54 PM Diffing beendet
    8:23:54 PM Beginne Verarbeitung
    8:23:54 PM 1546 EintrXge aus NODELIST.074 eingelesen
    8:23:54 PM Datei Z2PNT.* nicht gefunden!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    not found

    8:23:54 PM Fehler beim Éffnen der Pointliste Z2PNT !
    8:23:54 PM 0 doppelte EintrXge gelXscht
    8:23:55 PM Systemnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Sysopnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Standorte erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Verbindungsinformationen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Hauptindex erfolgreich gespeichert.
    8:23:55 PM Fertig

    ..so does that read success? ..or are there error messages above?
    "nicht" sounds negative. :(

    The Fido nodelist(NODELIST.074) was successfully processed but the Zone2 Pointlist(Z2PNT.*) wasn't because WinPoint couldn't find it. Does Z2PNT.Z74 actually exist on your system and where is it? If it does exist, have you extracted the raw pointlist(Z2PNT.074) from Z2PNT.Z74 and copied it to the WinPoint "DistribNL" directory? WinPoint's nodelist processor *cannot process* packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it *can process* packed nodediff/pointdiff files.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From Martin Foster@2:250/1.1 to August Abolins on Tue Mar 19 11:48:49 2019
    Hello August!

    18.03.19 19:18:58, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    File FNEWTA11.ZIP has been moved to file area FIDONEWS. File
    ELST1903.ZIP has been moved to file area ECHOLIST.

    I have a "FIDONEWS" sub-directory in my "Filebase" directory which
    contains "FNEWTA11.ZIP and an "ECHOLIST" sub-directory in my "Filebase"
    directory which contains "ELST1903.ZIP"

    I will try to create the directories manually and report back.

    OK but you shouldn't have to do that, as WinPoint should have created all the root directories automatically during the installation. Here's what my directory structure looks like:

    ---------- 8< ----------
    C:\USERS\MARTIN\APPDATA\ROAMING\WINPOINT
    +---BadPkts
    +---DistribNL
    +---Filebase
    +---ECHOLIST
    +---FIDONEWS
    +---NODEDIFZ
    +---NODELISZ
    +---Z2PNT
    +---Z2PNT_D
    +---Inbound
    +---Backup
    +---MsgBase
    +---Outbound
    +---Outbound.000
    +---Outbound.009
    +---Outbound.015
    +---Outbound.018
    +---Outbound.027
    +---Outbound.07A
    +---Temp
    +---WinPointNL
    ---------- 8< ----------

    What I did during install is install the program on H:drive, and left the program to use C:drive for its default directories. Maybe this discrepency trips up the installation?

    In all honesty, I don't know but it could have something to do wiith it.

    You *do* know that WinPoint stores its configuration data in the registry? "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\New.Vision.Software\Winpoint"
    Perhaps it may be an idea to have a look in there to see if there are any clues?

    [snip]
    The only reason for your problem that I can think of right now is that
    maybe you're not receiving accompanying .TIC files ??

    I would assume that if Winpoint is trying to move the files to a
    filearea, then it *knows* about the filearea name, and that would be from a .TIC

    Yes, do you see any .TIC files in your "Inbound" directory?

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Wed Mar 20 04:01:17 2019
    Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    Are these two files actually in your "Inbound" directory, along with
    their accompanying .TIC files?

    This is Inbound today:
    Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\WinPoint\Inbound

    03/13/2019 11:16 PM 1,033 0sauz01n.tic
    03/15/2019 11:26 AM 826 0saxrgtn.tic
    03/13/2019 11:14 PM 32,768 5C898EB8.00029673.Z2DAILY.073.Transmission
    03/19/2019 01:29 AM <DIR> Backup
    12/31/2018 12:16 AM 175,816 NODELIST.365
    03/09/2019 11:01 PM 57 RBBFILES.NEW
    03/09/2019 11:01 PM 643 RBBFILES.ZIP

    The point files are in \Filebase:

    Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\WinPoint\Filebase

    03/15/2019 06:55 PM <DIR> .
    03/15/2019 06:55 PM <DIR> ..
    03/18/2019 08:21 PM <DIR> Z2DAILY
    03/15/2019 07:14 PM <DIR> Z2PNT

    I have a pile of Z2DAILY.nnn (unarchived) in Z2DAILY dir. And just one Z2PNT.Z04 (still archived) file in Z2PNT.



    8:21:37 PM File Z2DAILY.078 has been moved to file area Z2DAILY.
    Well, that worked OK :-))

    Yes.. the Z2DAILY seems to be cooperating, eventually. But the Z2PNT.Z04 does not move and (and does not automatically unarchive).

    8:23:54 PM 1546 EintrXge aus NODELIST.074 eingelesen
    8:23:54 PM Datei Z2PNT.* nicht gefunden!
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    not found

    8:23:54 PM Fehler beim ?ffnen der Pointliste Z2PNT !

    The Fido nodelist(NODELIST.074) was successfully processed but the Zone2 Pointlist(Z2PNT.*) wasn't because WinPoint couldn't find it. Does
    Z2PNT.Z74 actually exist on your system and where is it? If it does
    exist, have you extracted the raw pointlist(Z2PNT.074) from Z2PNT.Z74
    and copied it to the WinPoint "DistribNL" directory? WinPoint's nodelist processor *cannot process* packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it
    *can process* packed nodediff/pointdiff files.

    I remember encountering an error the first time I tried to process the all-zones nodelist, so I did unpack it manually and put it in the DistribNL dir.

    SO... I just tried that with the Z2PNT.074 file.

    9:56:51 PM Beginne Diffing
    9:56:51 PM Diffing beendet
    9:56:51 PM Beginne Verarbeitung
    9:56:51 PM 1546 EintrXge aus NODELIST.074 eingelesen
    9:56:51 PM 4549 EintrXge aus Z2PNT.074 eingelesen
    9:56:51 PM 0 doppelte EintrXge gelXscht
    9:56:51 PM Systemnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Sysopnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Standorte erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Verbindungsinformationen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Hauptindex erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Fertig

    ...and it must have worked because I purposely changed my entry and it shows up with the change.

    Hmmmmm...so do I have to keep unarchiving and copying into DistribNL every time? ..or was it just for the first-time-use? Maybe this anomaly should be in the uber manual.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Wed Mar 20 04:09:04 2019
    Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
    8:21:37 PM File Z2DAILY.078 has been moved to file area Z2DAILY.

    Well, that worked OK :-))


    Yes.. but it just sits in the /Filebase/Z2DAILY directory. Nothing gets moved automatically to the DistribNL directory where it needs to be inorder for the compiler to use it.

    Do you move the unarchived files manually to /DistribNL too?

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Wed Mar 20 04:22:17 2019
    Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:
    OK but you shouldn't have to do that, as WinPoint should have created
    all the root directories automatically..

    Mine seem to look fine:

    Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\WinPoint

    03/11/2019 02:37 AM <DIR> .
    03/11/2019 02:37 AM <DIR> ..
    07/26/2018 03:10 AM <DIR> BadPkts
    03/17/2019 11:21 AM <DIR> DistribNL
    03/15/2019 06:55 PM <DIR> Filebase
    03/19/2019 01:29 AM <DIR> Inbound
    03/19/2019 01:31 AM <DIR> MsgBase
    03/18/2019 10:17 PM <DIR> Outbound
    03/13/2019 01:57 AM <DIR> Outbound.000
    07/26/2018 03:10 AM <DIR> Temp
    03/17/2019 11:16 AM <DIR> WinPointNL

    Inside Filebase:
    03/15/2019 06:55 PM <DIR> .
    03/15/2019 06:55 PM <DIR> ..
    03/19/2019 10:01 PM <DIR> Z2DAILY
    03/15/2019 07:14 PM <DIR> Z2PNT

    Inside Z2DAILY:
    ...is a bunch of unarchived Z2DAILT.nnn files.

    Inside Z2PNT:
    03/15/2019 07:14 PM <DIR> .
    03/15/2019 07:14 PM <DIR> ..
    03/15/2019 10:05 PM 352 NET221.PVT
    03/15/2019 07:14 PM 27 NET221.PVT.Txt
    03/15/2019 11:19 AM 92,878 Z2PNT.Z74
    03/15/2019 06:55 PM 41 Z2PNT.Z74.Txt

    Do we have to go into Extras/Options/Nodelist to pick a file each time a new one arrives, before we launch the compiler?

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Mar 20 14:57:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 20.03.19 at 04:01, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    [snip]
    The Fido nodelist(NODELIST.074) was successfully processed but the Zone2
    Pointlist(Z2PNT.*) wasn't because WinPoint couldn't find it. Does
    Z2PNT.Z74 actually exist on your system and where is it? If it does
    exist, have you extracted the raw pointlist(Z2PNT.074) from Z2PNT.Z74
    and copied it to the WinPoint "DistribNL" directory? WinPoint's nodelist
    processor *cannot process* packed nodelist/pointlist files, although it
    *can process* packed nodediff/pointdiff files.

    I remember encountering an error the first time I tried to process the all-zones nodelist, so I did unpack it manually and put it in the DistribNL dir.

    SO... I just tried that with the Z2PNT.074 file.

    9:56:51 PM Beginne Diffing
    9:56:51 PM Diffing beendet
    9:56:51 PM Beginne Verarbeitung
    9:56:51 PM 1546 EintrXge aus NODELIST.074 eingelesen
    9:56:51 PM 4549 EintrXge aus Z2PNT.074 eingelesen
    9:56:51 PM 0 doppelte EintrXge gelXscht
    9:56:51 PM Systemnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Sysopnamen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Standorte erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Verbindungsinformationen erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Hauptindex erfolgreich gespeichert.
    9:56:51 PM Fertig

    ...and it must have worked because I purposely changed my entry and it shows up with the change.

    Hmmmmm...so do I have to keep unarchiving and copying into DistribNL
    every time? ..or was it just for the first-time-use? Maybe this anomaly should be in the uber manual.

    This is how it all works .....

    When you install a new nodelist or a new pointlist for the very first
    time, they have to be manually unpacked and copied to the "DistribNL" directory. From what you've said, you've already done this and you now
    have a compiled nodelist and a compiled pointlist.

    However, when a new nodediff or new pointdiff arrives, you need to
    copy the *packed* nodediff/pointdiff to the "DistribNL" directory.
    There's no need to unpack them because WinPoint does it for you. If
    you copy them whilst WinPoint is running, WinPoint will automatically
    unpack the new nodediff/pointdiff, apply them and then re-compile your nodelist/pointlist. If you copy them when WinPoint is not running,
    they will be automatically processed the next time you start WinPoint.

    Hope that clarifies things for you :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Mar 20 22:04:33 2019
    Hello Martin,

    This is how it all works .....

    When you install a new nodelist or a new pointlist for the very first time, they have to be manually unpacked and copied to the "DistribNL" directory. From what you've said, you've already done this and you now have a compiled nodelist and a compiled pointlist.

    Yes.. I had read your wonderful guide sec 3.2. That is what helped me get the NL installed/compiled.

    BTW, your guide refers to "All other fields should be left at their default settings" ..but after I started to experiment with adjustments, I nolonger had a record of those default settings to undo what may have worked before. How about including some screenshots on your guide for some of the Options/*


    However, when a new nodediff or new pointdiff arrives, you need to copy the *packed* nodediff/pointdiff to the "DistribNL" directory. There's
    no need to unpack them because WinPoint does it for you...

    That was very helpful. Thank you. But do I have to do the moving/copying each and every time subsequent nodelists arrive?


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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Mar 21 13:16:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 20.03.19 at 22:04, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    This is how it all works .....

    When you install a new nodelist or a new pointlist for the very first
    time, they have to be manually unpacked and copied to the "DistribNL"
    directory. From what you've said, you've already done this and you now
    have a compiled nodelist and a compiled pointlist.

    Yes.. I had read your wonderful guide sec 3.2. That is what helped me get the NL installed/compiled.

    OK, so far so good :-)

    BTW, your guide refers to "All other fields should be left at their default settings" ..but after I started to experiment with adjustments, I nolonger had a record of those default settings to undo what may have worked before. How about including some screenshots on your guide for some of the Options/*

    Yes, that was already on my ToDo list but it's the usual problem of
    having the time and inclination to do it.

    However, when a new nodediff or new pointdiff arrives, you need to
    copy the *packed* nodediff/pointdiff to the "DistribNL" directory.
    There's no need to unpack them because WinPoint does it for you...

    That was very helpful. Thank you. But do I have to do the
    moving/copying each and every time subsequent nodelists arrive?

    No, that only applies to new nodediffs/pointdiffs.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Mar 22 02:31:38 2019
    Hello Martin,

    ...How about including some screenshots on your guide for
    some of the Options/*

    Yes, that was already on my ToDo list but it's the usual problem of
    having the time and inclination to do it.

    I could do some screen captures, but you have to tell me which ones.

    I helped to put this together (years ago): http://www.tinysbbs.com/tinys-usenet.pdf

    ..which then inspired the sysop to produce this: http://tinysbbs.com/howtouseabbs.pdf


    .. But do I have to do the
    moving/copying each and every time subsequent nodelists arrive?

    No, that only applies to new nodediffs/pointdiffs.

    I did a file request for NODEDIFF, when I now realize I should have used NODEDIFZ. When the correct file arrives, I only have to move the archived file *once* to the DistribNL, right? I never have to do that *ever* again?



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  • From Martin Foster@2:250/1.1 to August Abolins on Fri Mar 22 12:54:05 2019
    Hello August!

    22.03.19 2:31:38, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    ...How about including some screenshots on your guide for some of the
    Options/*

    Yes, that was already on my ToDo list but it's the usual problem of
    having the time and inclination to do it.

    I could do some screen captures, but you have to tell me which ones.

    Thank you very much for your kind offer.

    My intentions are to finish documenting all the stuff we've found over the last couple of weeks and then release a new version of the guide. Once that's done, I'll probably think about re-formating the document because it's now evolving into a User Guide rather than the original idea of an Installation Guide. Once I've made my mind up how to do it, I'll be in touch.

    I helped to put this together (years ago): http://www.tinysbbs.com/tinys-usenet.pdf

    ..which then inspired the sysop to produce this: http://tinysbbs.com/howtouseabbs.pdf

    Thanks, Ill take a look at those.

    .. But do I have to do the moving/copying each and every time
    subsequent nodelists arrive?

    No, that only applies to new nodediffs/pointdiffs.

    I did a file request for NODEDIFF, when I now realize I should have used NODEDIFZ. When the correct file arrives, I only have to move the
    archived file *once* to the DistribNL, right? I never have to do that *ever* again?

    You need to copy the packed nodediff file to the "DistribNL" directory every time a new one arrives. Same applies to new pointdiff files.

    Regards,
    Martin

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Mar 22 18:36:22 2019
    Hello Martin,

    You need to copy the packed nodediff file to the "DistribNL" directory every time a new one arrives. Same applies to new pointdiff files.

    Very cool. I had the DistribNL folder open and as soon as I put NODELIST.ZIP in there I watched it change to NODELIST.081. Same with Z2PNT.Z81 - watched it change to Z2PNT.081 automagically after the move.

    But is really too bad that WinPoint doesn't move those for us.



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