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    From August Abolins@2:221/360 to All on Sat Apr 6 05:39:18 2019
    Just a test for special chars.

    Latvian chars:

    lowercase: ā ē ģ ī ķ ļ ņ š ū ž
    uppercase: Ā Č Ē Ģ Ī Ķ Ļ Ņ Š Ū Ž

    Looks great created in Thunderbird.

    My last name with the proper chars: Āboliņš

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 6 05:43:42 2019
    In a post between "August Abolins : All", on 4/5/2019 10:39 PM

    Just a test for special chars.

    Latvian chars:

    lowercase: ā � ē ģ ī ķ ļ ņ š ū ž
    uppercase: Ā Č Ē Ģ Ī Ķ Ļ Ņ Š Ū Ž

    Looks great created in Thunderbird.

    My last name with the proper chars: Āboliņš

    Looks good coming back EXCEPT that the lower case "c" only shows up as a diamond with a "?" in the middle.

    Now I wonder what Winpoint will do..

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 22:49:52 2019

    On 06.04.19, you wrote to All:
    Just a test for special chars.

    Latvian chars:

    lowercase: ue ē ģ ī ķ ļ ņ š ū ž uppercase: Ā Č Ē Ģ Ī Ķ Ļ Ņ Š Ū Ž

    Looks great created in Thunderbird.
    My last name with the proper chars: Āboliņš

    From WinPoint.. the results are awful.

    The only choices for WinPoint in View/Encoding:

    - DOS Cyrillic CP866,
    - IBMPC
    - LATIN-1

    ..are not suitable for Latvian chars. :(



    ../|ug

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: Reluctantly Revisiting Fidonet (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 6 14:47:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 06.04.19 at 05:39, August Abolins wrote to All:

    Just a test for special chars.

    Latvian chars:

    lowercase: ā ē ģ ī ķ ļ ņ š ū ž
    uppercase: Ā Č Ē Ģ Ī Ķ Ļ Ņ Š Ū Ž

    Looks great created in Thunderbird.

    Looks terrible in OpenXP(Linux).

    My last name with the proper chars: Āboliņš

    -+- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    + Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Sat Apr 6 14:02:14 2019
    @AREA:POINTS
    @MSGID: 2:221/1.58 58ae0b0b
    @CHRS: IBMPC 2
    @TZUTC: 0400
    @REPLY: 2:310/31.3@fidonet d729a649
    Hello Martin,

    On 06.04.19, you wrote to August Abolins:
    Latvian chars:

    lowercase: ue ē ģ ī Ļ ļ ņ š ū ż uppercase: Ā Č Ē Ģ Ī Ĺ
    Ļ Ņ Š Ū ż

    Looks great created in Thunderbird.

    Looks terrible in OpenXP(Linux).

    Likewise in WinPoint.


    Apparently it is a CHRS thing??? Your system is using:

    -MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet d729a649
    -REPLY: 2:221/360 5ca8114e
    -PID: OpenXP/5.0.37 (Linux) (x86_64)
    ====-> CHRS: IBMPC 2 <-==== ????


    The charset thing is coming back to me. To work, it would need to be grounded on cooperating with using the appropriate charset between users or a specific echo or "othernet".

    If the charset could be switched on-the-fly per message/echo as required, that would be cool.


    ../|ug

    -+- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    @ ORIGINAL: Reluctantly Revisiting Fidonet (2:221/1.58)
    @SEEN-BY: 221/1

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: WinPoint (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Sat Apr 6 21:44:12 2019
    In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/6/2019 7:47 AM

    Latvian chars:
    lowercase: ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ??
    uppercase: ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ? ? ? ??

    Looks great created in Thunderbird.

    Looks terrible in OpenXP(Linux).
    --- OpenXP 5.0.37

    It came back to my TB reader all munged up from your system.

    The problem is the Latvian chars. The swedish chars back from your OpenXP looked fine.

    I guess Latvians are not welcome in oxp. LOL

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 7 08:07:50 2019
    Hello August Abolins!

    This one HAS the correct charset kludge!

    06 Apr 19 05:39:18, August Abolins wrote to All:

    lowercase:           
    uppercase:           
    My last name with the proper chars: boli

    It displays correctly here.
    Let's see if goated sets the correct kludge when answering.
    It might be that it overrides the charset as latin-1.
    (Goated is a very new and very, very basic UTF-8 capable Golded clone.)

    CU, Ricsi

    --- goAtEd-linux/amd64 1.0.5-154-a1826692
    * Origin: https://github.com/askovpen/goated (2:310/31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 7 12:42:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 06.04.19 at 14:02, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    Apparently it is a CHRS thing??? Your system is using:

    -MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet d729a649
    -REPLY: 2:221/360 5ca8114e
    -PID: OpenXP/5.0.37 (Linux) (x86_64)
    ====-> CHRS: IBMPC 2 <-==== ????

    When my message left here, the charset kludge was IBM437.

    This reply should carry the US-ASCII charset kludge.

    With all due respect, perhaps we should move to a more appropriate
    area for our test messages :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Martin Foster on Sun Apr 7 14:33:26 2019
    Hi Martin!

    06 Apr 2019 14:47, from Martin Foster -> August Abolins:

    lowercase: - - - - - - -+ + + + +
    uppercase: - - - - - - -+ + + + +
    Looks terrible in OpenXP(Linux).

    He sent UTF-8 characters and marked the message as using the IBMPC charset.

    CU, Ricsi

    ... Drug: substance that, injected into a rat, produces a scientific paper.
    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: Two wrongs don't make a right. (2:310/31)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Sun Apr 7 18:52:14 2019
    In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/7/2019 5:42 AM

    When my message left here, the charset kludge was IBM437.
    This reply should carry the US-ASCII charset kludge.

    It *does* looking at it from TB. Thank you.

    With all due respect, perhaps we should move to a more appropriate
    area for our test messages :)

    A most reasonable expectation. SORRY.. the charset tests were starting to look complicated, messy, and totally of no interest for everyone else.

    But I *was* kinda hoping I could build a signoff with my lastname in full Latvian glory with oxp.

    Meanwhile, I realized that with UTF-8 enabled in oxp, messages go out with IBM437 kludge. That's fine, because Swedish and Finnish chars are represented in that (as per my tests). But the IBM437 does not support Latvian chars. :(

    Mystery solved.

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 8 13:32:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 07.04.19 at 18:52, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    When my message left here, the charset kludge was IBM437.
    This reply should carry the US-ASCII charset kludge.

    It *does* looking at it from TB. Thank you.

    Thanks for confirming that.

    With all due respect, perhaps we should move to a more appropriate
    area for our test messages :)

    A most reasonable expectation. SORRY..

    Granted! :-))

    [snip]
    But I *was* kinda hoping I could build a signoff with my lastname in full Latvian glory with oxp.

    Hmmmmm, that may actually be possible ;-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Apr 8 18:28:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 08.04.19 - 13:32, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    But I *was* kinda hoping I could build a signoff with my lastname in
    full Latvian glory with oxp.

    Hmmmmm, that may actually be possible ;-)


    HOW?!

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 9 13:37:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 08.04.19 at 18:28, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    But I *was* kinda hoping I could build a signoff with my lastname in
    full Latvian glory with oxp.

    Hmmmmm, that may actually be possible ;-)

    HOW?!

    You enquired in an earlier post about the possibilty of using an
    external editor, maybe that could solve the problem.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 9 18:13:24 2019
    On 09/04/2019 6:37 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    But I *was* kinda hoping I could build a signoff with my
    lastname in AA>>> full Latvian glory with oxp.

     MF>> Hmmmmm, that may actually be possible ;-)

     AA> HOW?!


    You enquired in an earlier post about the possibilty of using an
    external editor, maybe that could solve the problem.

    I kinda already did that with one message here where I tried o include the "tick" mark. Here's another try. The tick is between the quotes, next, "√".
    <--Is it there?

    Another reason I why I expected the tick symbol to work, is because oxp actually uses it! ;)

    No matter. The more I dug into charsets and codepages, the more I learned that it can be font-dependent too.


    .../|ug

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 10 13:56:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 09.04.19 at 18:13, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    But I *was* kinda hoping I could build a signoff with my
    lastname in AA>>> full Latvian glory with oxp.

     MF>> Hmmmmm, that may actually be possible ;-)

     AA> HOW?!

    You enquired in an earlier post about the possibilty of using an
    external editor, maybe that could solve the problem.

    I kinda already did that with one message here where I tried o include
    the "tick" mark. Here's another try. The tick is between the quotes, next, "√". <--Is it there?

    Nope.

    Another reason I why I expected the tick symbol to work, is because oxp actually uses it! ;)

    Yeah, well :)

    No matter. The more I dug into charsets and codepages, the more I learned that it can be font-dependent too.

    That sort of stuff has always been a bit of a "black art" with me and
    I'll probably never understand it all :(

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)