• testing new message

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to All on Tue Apr 2 18:02:00 2019
    Hello!


    Hmm.. W at the Folder level creates a fresh new message. It would make
    more sense to me if W could be invoked while viewing the Message list.

    Regards,
    SysOp

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Aug'sPoint (2:221/1.58)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 2 22:38:34 2019

    On 2019 Apr 02 18:02:00, you wrote to All:

    Hmm.. W at the Folder level creates a fresh new message. It would
    make more sense to me if W could be invoked while viewing the Message list.

    i've never seen one that does that...

    FWIW: the INSert key may also start a new message... that's a traditional key mapping in all of the sysop-side editors i've ever used...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Tue Apr 2 23:42:00 2019
    Hello mark!

    Hmm.. W at the Folder level creates a fresh new message. It would
    make more sense to me if W could be invoked while viewing the Message
    list.

    i've never seen one that does that...

    FWIW: the INSert key may also start a new message... that's a traditional
    key mapping in all of the sysop-side editors i've ever used...

    You can bet that I've also never seen so many non-standard editing key sequences. LOL

    Even Wordperfect and Wordstar managed to share the same key-combos.

    BUT, OXP has so m-a-n-y features. For a program that was initially
    released in early 1992, and also being a full-fledged mail and newsreader
    for the Internet - supporting external clients sharing messages using POP3
    / SMTP (mail) and NNTP (news) protocols.. it's impressive.

    If it was as "complete" and apparently bugfree as it appears now, it could have been my "user" editor of choice. But, back then we had other fine emerging offline readers/editors to work with too.

    INSert key has a special function in oxp. (I don't know how to pop out of this editor and come back to edit the same message - yet, otherwise I
    would tell you exactly what INS does.)

    Martin F. wrote a wonderful english user-guide for oxp. I would refer to
    it more often if it had all the menus and submenus. The menu structure is phenominal - that is, so many levels and features. Most it, once
    configured, probably never needs to be reviewed again.

    From the guide:

    Ctl-KC - copy block to cursor position
    Ctl-KV - move block to cursor position
    Ctl-KY - delete block
    Ctl-KW - write block to file
    Ctl-KO - ROT13 encrypt block
    Ctl-QB - move cursor to beginning of block
    Ctl-QK - move cursor to end of block

    I like to work with blocks, inserting text, moving paragraphs around, etc.
    I don't think I will ever remember the above. But the context sensitive
    help invoked with F1 is pretty good.

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 00:24:06 2019

    On 2019 Apr 02 23:42:00, you wrote to me:

    Hmm.. W at the Folder level creates a fresh new message. It would
    make more sense to me if W could be invoked while viewing the Message
    list.

    i've never seen one that does that...

    FWIW: the INSert key may also start a new message... that's a
    traditional key mapping in all of the sysop-side editors i've ever
    used...

    You can bet that I've also never seen so many non-standard editing key sequences. LOL

    hehehe...

    Even Wordperfect and Wordstar managed to share the same key-combos.

    not in my experience... i detested WP because it didn't use the standard touch-typist keys that i learned from my programming editors...

    eg: these wordstar touch-typist keystrokes
    ^KB block begin
    ^KK block end
    ^KC block copy
    ^KV block move
    ^KW block write
    ^KY block delete

    i don't recall the ones for WP but they were mostly Fxx key combinations... the worst one was moving the Help from the F1 key... that really really stunk...

    BUT, OXP has so m-a-n-y features. For a program that was initially released in early 1992, and also being a full-fledged mail and
    newsreader for the Internet - supporting external clients sharing
    messages using POP3 / SMTP (mail) and NNTP (news) protocols.. it's impressive.

    there's a lot of FTN tools like that... GoldEd is one that also has a lot of those capabilities... i only use the standard FTN stuff with it, though...

    If it was as "complete" and apparently bugfree as it appears now, it
    could have been my "user" editor of choice. But, back then we had
    other fine emerging offline readers/editors to work with too.

    yup...

    INSert key has a special function in oxp. (I don't know how to pop
    out of this editor and come back to edit the same message - yet,
    otherwise I would tell you exactly what INS does.)

    can't open another window and look at the help? i have no less than a dozen windows open over here... some running specific monitoring tasks and others waiting on input or something to do ;)

    Martin F. wrote a wonderful english user-guide for oxp. I would refer
    to it more often if it had all the menus and submenus. The menu
    structure is phenominal - that is, so many levels and features. Most
    it, once configured, probably never needs to be reviewed again.

    From the guide:

    Ctl-KC - copy block to cursor position
    Ctl-KV - move block to cursor position
    Ctl-KY - delete block
    Ctl-KW - write block to file
    Ctl-KO - ROT13 encrypt block
    Ctl-QB - move cursor to beginning of block
    Ctl-QK - move cursor to end of block

    standard wordstar stuff... looks almost like mine i listed above ;)

    I like to work with blocks, inserting text, moving paragraphs around,
    etc. I don't think I will ever remember the above. But the context sensitive help invoked with F1 is pretty good.

    :)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... When is a mouse a rat? When it eats memory!
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Wed Apr 3 08:26:23 2019
    In a post between "mark lewis : August Abolins", on 4/3/2019 12:24 AM

    Even Wordperfect and Wordstar managed to share the same key-combos.

    not in my experience... i detested WP because it didn't use the standard touch-typist keys that i learned from my programming editors...

    eg: these wordstar touch-typist keystrokes
    ^KB block begin
    ^KK block end
    ^KC block copy
    ^KV block move
    ^KW block write
    ^KY block delete

    I *may* be confusing Wordstar with another editor. I'd swear WordPerfect had many shared editing commands with another popular wordprocessor. Wordperfect was a standard in one place of work and I adapted to using it fairly easily for producing specifications documents.

    So.. then oxp (then originally known as Crosspoint) incorporated Wordstar editor commands. Fair enough.


    BUT, OXP has so m-a-n-y features. For a program that was initially released in early 1992, .. it's impressive.

    there's a lot of FTN tools like that... GoldEd is one that also has a
    lot of those capabilities... i only use the standard FTN stuff with
    it, though...

    I probably worked with GoldEd for a while back in the day. I don't think I had any complaints about it. But when I discovered FleetStreet, that was "the one" to beat. <g>


    INSert key has a special function in oxp. (I don't know how to pop
    out of this editor and come back to edit the same message - yet, otherwise I would tell you exactly what INS does.)

    can't open another window and look at the help? i have no less than a dozen windows open over here... some running specific monitoring tasks and others waiting on input or something to do ;)

    Nope. There is no known way to have multiple windows in oxp. It's just one screen at a time. But the context sensitive help (via F1 at any screen level) is pretty good.

    When in a list view of messages, INS will put that message on Hold, (same as H key)

    When in list view of messages, you can't create a new message. You have to back out to the echo list view, highlight the echo you want to create a new message in, and press W to W)rite the new message.

    Weird, I know. But once you go through that a few times it becomes 2nd nature.

    But.. I think I will still lean towards using TB most of the time.

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 14:18:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 23:42, August Abolins wrote to mark lewis:

    [snip]
    INSert key has a special function in oxp. (I don't know how to pop out
    of this editor and come back to edit the same message - yet, otherwise I would tell you exactly what INS does.)

    - Save the message
    - Figure out what the <Insert> key does :)
    - Message/Unsent/Show
    - Message/Unsent/Edit
    - Continue composing the message

    Martin F. wrote a wonderful english user-guide for oxp. I would refer to it more often if it had all the menus and submenus. The menu structure
    is phenominal - that is, so many levels and features. Most it, once configured, probably never needs to be reviewed again.

    When all said and done, it's a Basic Installation Guide which was
    originally intended to get the user as far as making their first poll.
    The rest of it was added later but it's a case of where to stop ;-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 12:31:58 2019

    On 2019 Apr 03 08:26:22, you wrote to me:

    can't open another window and look at the help? i have no less than a
    dozen windows open over here... some running specific monitoring
    tasks and others waiting on input or something to do ;)

    Nope. There is no known way to have multiple windows in oxp.

    i wasn't speaking of another window in oxp... i was speaking of like another terminal window where you could run list.com or maybe midnight commander and go look at the help file in the raw outside of oxp ;)

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... I multitask... I read in the bathroom.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Wed Apr 3 19:42:00 2019
    Hello mark!

    Nope. There is no known way to have multiple windows in oxp.

    i wasn't speaking of another window in oxp... i was speaking of like another terminal window where you could run list.com or maybe midnight commander and go look at the help file in the raw outside of oxp ;)

    Oh.. yes, I can certainly do that. But that wouldn't really help because
    the user-guide is just that - the basic steps to get to the first poll.
    The guide does not describe menu details or editing shortcuts.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 20:52:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    - Save the message
    - Figure out what the <Insert> key does :)
    - Message/Unsent/Show
    - Message/Unsent/Edit
    - Continue composing the message

    Hehheh! Did that. Thanks.


    Martin F. wrote a wonderful english user-guide for oxp. I would refer to AA>> it more often if it had all the menus and submenus..

    When all said and done, it's a Basic Installation Guide which was
    originally intended to get the user as far as making their first poll.

    Noted. And a fine offering on your part!


    The rest of it was added later but it's a case of where to stop ;-)

    I wonder if an online guide might be a good solution. That way, if a
    change is needed, update a section on the website, and you don't need to re-distribute a new document (and older copies out there), just refer
    people to a website. Maybe I can help. With WordPress it would be
    really easy.

    BUT.. just asking *you* for help directly is not that bad either! LOL Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 4 13:37:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 03.04.19 at 20:52, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    Martin F. wrote a wonderful english user-guide for oxp. I would refer
    to it more often if it had all the menus and submenus..

    When all said and done, it's a Basic Installation Guide which was
    originally intended to get the user as far as making their first poll.

    Noted. And a fine offering on your part!

    The rest of it was added later but it's a case of where to stop ;-)

    I wonder if an online guide might be a good solution. That way,
    if a change is needed, update a section on the website, and you
    don't need to re-distribute a new document (and older copies out
    there), just refer people to a website.

    In a way, that's what I'm doing because if a visitor clicks on the
    document link on my website, the document is loaded into their default
    PDF viewer. If they right-click on the link, the document can be
    downloaded. However, I *do* see where you're coming from :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Thu Apr 4 21:44:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 04.04.19 - 13:37, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    I wonder if an online guide might be a good solution. That way,
    if a change is needed, update a section on the website, and you
    don't need to re-distribute a new document (and older copies out
    there), just refer people to a website.

    In a way, that's what I'm doing because if a visitor clicks on the
    document link on my website, the document is loaded into their default
    PDF viewer. If they right-click on the link, the document can be downloaded. However, I *do* see where you're coming from :-)

    The site could pratically emulate the dropdowns, but at each step it would display the help for each choice.

    I have found it tricky to undersand some of the terse built-in helps with just F1. But with your added text, or examples, someone could use it alongside an actual set up.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 14:00:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 04.04.19 at 21:44, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    I wonder if an online guide might be a good solution. That way,
    if a change is needed, update a section on the website, and you
    don't need to re-distribute a new document (and older copies out
    there), just refer people to a website.

    In a way, that's what I'm doing because if a visitor clicks on the
    document link on my website, the document is loaded into their default
    PDF viewer. If they right-click on the link, the document can be
    downloaded. However, I *do* see where you're coming from :-)

    The site could pratically emulate the dropdowns, but at each step it
    would display the help for each choice.

    Yeah but I have more than enough on my plate as it is.

    I have found it tricky to undersand some of the terse built-in helps with just F1. But with your added text, or examples, someone could use it alongside an actual set up.

    They could also print out the guide and have it by their side :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Apr 5 19:22:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 05.04.19 - 14:00, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    The site could pratically emulate the dropdowns, but at each step it
    would display the help for each choice.

    Yeah but I have more than enough on my plate as it is.

    As do I. On top of my 10hr/day 7days/wk schedule, I managed to get roped
    in to do the edits and posts for 2 volunteer websites and to fix issues at
    a handful of others.

    Free weekends are a long gone memory of the past.


    I have found it tricky to undersand some of the terse built-in helps with AA>> just F1. But with your added text, or examples, someone could use it
    alongside an actual set up.

    They could also print out the guide and have it by their side :-)

    That could possibly work also.

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)