• no connction

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to openxp users on Sun Mar 31 22:57:47 2019
    Getting:

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"


    ../|ug

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: Reluctantly Revisiting Fidonet (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 1 06:57:40 2019
    In a post between "August Abolins : openxp users", on 3/31/2019 2:57 PM
    Getting:

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"

    NEVEMIND! I found the problem.

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 1 13:12:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 01.04.19 at 06:57, August Abolins wrote to August Abolins:

    Getting:

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"

    NEVEMIND! I found the problem.

    Excellent! :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Mon Apr 1 22:12:58 2019
    In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/1/2019 6:12 AM

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"

    NEVEMIND! I found the problem.

    Excellent! :-)

    Maybe. :(

    I sent an area list request yesterday but I haven't seen anything yet.

    I received a few new messages from others in this echo, but none of my posts show up.

    What am I missing? Would it be the packer config? My uplink does not need compressed packets. Therefore, I used the "copy $PUFFER $UPFILL" and "copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER" offerings.

    How do I create an area manually?

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 2 12:51:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 01.04.19 at 22:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"

    NEVEMIND! I found the problem.

    Excellent! :-)

    Maybe. :(

    Uh-Oh :)

    I sent an area list request yesterday but I haven't seen anything yet.

    Do you have a Netmail area, it should look something like this:
    "August Abolins@2:221/1.58"

    If you have, then there's got to be mail in there, otherwise, OpenXP
    wouldn't have automatically created it.

    The default View Mode for all message lists is "New", as in "new
    messages since your last poll". Before going any further, I would
    strongly advise you to change the default View Mode to "All". You do
    this by going to "Config/Options/User interface". Press <F2> with the
    cursor in the "Show mode" field and select "All" from the list and
    then press <Enter>. Then, <Enter> your way through all the other
    settings. You will then need to exit and re-start OpenXP for your
    change to take effect.

    If you do have a Netmail area, go into it and see if there are any
    messages there now. If you don't have a Netmail area then maybe your
    uplink hasn't sent an areafix response yet(highly unlikely). Look in
    OpenXP's FILES directory to see if there are any mail packets in
    there. If there are, then something's definitely adrift.

    To be continued .....

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 2 13:37:00 2019
    Hello August!

    Continuing on .....

    On 01.04.19 at 22:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    I received a few new messages from others in this echo, but none of my posts show up.

    So, OpenXP must have created a "/FIDO/POINTS" area, yes?

    Were your posts created with OpenXP, WinPoint or Thunderbird?

    What am I missing?

    At this stage, I'm not sure.

    Would it be the packer config? My uplink does not need
    compressed packets.

    Neither does mine, therefore my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    Therefore, I used the "copy $PUFFER $UPFILL"

    Nope .....

    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    and "copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER" offerings.

    That suggests that your uplink *sends* uncompressed echomail bundles.
    Can you please confirm this(or otherwise) before we go any further,
    thanks.

    To be continued .....

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 2 14:01:00 2019
    Hello August!

    Continuing on .....

    On 01.04.19 at 22:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    How do I create an area manually?

    From OpenXP's main screen, press the "s" key, which brings up the
    "Special" configuration screen but please be *VERY* careful what you
    do in there as it's dead easy to mess things up!

    Press the "w" key which brings up the New Area dialogue. Your uplink's address should already be in the "Server" field, so just press <Enter>
    to go to the "Newsgroup" field. Assuming that you haven't changed the
    default Area prefix of /FIDO/ in "Edit/Servers/Edit/Robots", enter /FIDO/<area tag> (e.g. /FIDO/BINKD) in the "Newsgroup" field and then
    press <Enter>. Then, <Enter> your way through the rest of the settings
    and you should see your new area. To get out of the "Special"
    configuration, press the "s" key.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 2 19:02:31 2019
    On 02/04/2019 5:51 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    Do you have a Netmail area, it should look something like this:
    "August Abolins@2:221/1.58"

    No. There is just "> />Netcall", and two echo areas.


    The default View Mode for all message lists is "New", as in "new
    messages since your last poll". Before going any further, I would
    strongly advise you to change the default View Mode to "All". You do
    this by going to "Config/Options/User interface". Press <F2> with the
    cursor in the "Show mode" field and select "All" from the list and
    then press <Enter>. Then, <Enter> your way through all the other
    settings. You will then need to exit and re-start OpenXP for your
    change to take effect.

    Done. But just to let you know, the cursor did *not* want to automatically land on the "Double click" field. In other words, the "Then, <Enter> your way through all.." did not leave/close the window. As a result, my change in "Show mode" did not stick. :( After I went back in, and manually selected "Double click", then <Enter>, then the whole window closed, ...and the "All" setting stuck as required when I restarted.

    If you do have a Netmail area, go into it..
    Look in OpenXP's FILES directory to see if there are any mail
    packets in there. If there are, then something's definitely adrift.

    No netmail area. Nothing in FILES. I am adrift...

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 2 19:10:30 2019
    On 02/04/2019 6:37 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    Continuing on .....

    Thanks for you help with this.


    So, OpenXP must have created a "/FIDO/POINTS" area, yes?

    Yes.


    Were your posts created with OpenXP, WinPoint or Thunderbird?

    Created only in either WinPoint or Thunderbird, so far.


    ..my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    OpenXP wouldn't let me leave it empty. It kept generating this awful loud sound from the PC. (It was not pleasant when I was listening to music on an external amp at the time). How do you turn off sounds?


    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    Ok. I emptied those fields now. Hmmm.. no buzz/warning this time!

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 2 19:25:00 2019
    On 02/04/2019 7:01 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

     AA> How do I create an area manually?

    From OpenXP's main screen, press the "s" key, which brings up the
    "Special" configuration screen...

    ...Then, <Enter> your way through the rest of the settings
    and you should see your new area. To get out of the "Special"
    configuration, press the "s" key.

    Thanks. I added another echo ok.

    Now, I am stumped as to how to actually create a new message.

    I only see various "reply" options to existing messages.

    Meanwhile.. where did all my previous "replies" that wrote in OpenXP go? Is there any way to re-send them?

    Meanwhile, I am having some issues with this newer TB. :(

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 2 19:29:19 2019
    On 02/04/2019 12:10 p.m., August Abolins : Martin Foster wrote:
    On 02/04/2019 6:37 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

    ..my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    OpenXP wouldn't let me leave it empty.  It kept generating this awful
    loud sound from the PC.  (It was not pleasant when I was listening to
    music on an external amp at the time). How do you turn off sounds?


    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    Ok.  I emptied those fields now.  Hmmm..  no buzz/warning this time!


    Update. When I went to do a N S, a Error popped up: incomplete packer settings - please check server config"

    I thought you said those fields could be empty. :(

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    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 2 13:13:00 2019

    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    Ok.  I emptied those fields now.  Hmmm..  no buzz/warning this time!


    Update. When I went to do a N S, a Error popped up: "incomplete packer settings - please check server config"

    I thought you said those fields could be empty. :(


    OK.. I left the UPLOAD packer empty, and used the "copy puffer.." choice
    in DOWNLOAD packer.

    N S cooperated this time and a poll occurred.

    Now I am replying... and see if this will go out.

    Regards,
    SysOp

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Aug'sPoint (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 2 13:23:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    Neither does mine, therefore my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    Therefore, I used the "copy $PUFFER $UPFILL"

    Nope .....

    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    and "copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER" offerings.

    That suggests that your uplink *sends* uncompressed echomail bundles.
    Can you please confirm this(or otherwise) before we go any further,
    thanks.


    (Sheesh.. Ctrl K Y for a block delete? I am not sure if I will remember
    all these editing codes!)

    Meanwhile, it looks like the packer settings where the problem. A
    previous message looks like it went out. If this next message gets out,
    then this thing can now operate.

    It was not obvious that UPLOADS packer could be empty, *but* DOWNLOADS
    packer could not.

    This program is quite a "puzzle" to keep the brain active.


    Regards,
    SysOp

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Aug'sPoint (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to ALL on Mon Apr 1 00:17:00 2019
    The Eagle has landed on the world of OpenXP.
    Regards,
    SysOp

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Aug'sPoint (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Apr 1 14:50:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"

    NEVEMIND! I found the problem.

    Excellent! :-)


    Another try. This editor is like solving a puzzle.


    Regards,
    SysOp

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Aug'sPoint (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 12:01:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 01.04.19 at 14:50, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    "Error connecting socket (#10060)"
    "exiting"

    NEVEMIND! I found the problem.

    Excellent! :-)


    Another try. This editor is like solving a puzzle.

    Fun, isn't it ;-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 13:11:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 19:10, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    ..my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    OpenXP wouldn't let me leave it empty.

    Don't understand why it did that, it doesn't happen here ?

    It kept generating this awful loud sound from the PC. (It was
    not pleasant when I was listening to music on an external amp at
    the time). How do you turn off sounds?

    I don't think you can but have a look in Config/Display/Accessibility
    to make sure "additional sound signals" is un-checked.

    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    Ok. I emptied those fields now. Hmmm.. no buzz/warning this time!

    Well there ya go ;)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 13:19:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 13:13, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    OK.. I left the UPLOAD packer empty,

    OK.

    and used the "copy puffer.." choice in DOWNLOAD packer.

    Hmmmm, this one's got me baffled :-/

    N S cooperated this time and a poll occurred.

    Good.

    Now I am replying... and see if this will go out.

    ACK :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 13:22:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 19:02, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    If you do have a Netmail area, go into it..
    Look in OpenXP's FILES directory to see if there are any mail
    packets in there. If there are, then something's definitely adrift.

    No netmail area. Nothing in FILES. I am adrift...

    From what I've read in another of your posts, it would seem that you
    now have a Netmail area, yes?

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 13:43:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 19:25, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    Now, I am stumped as to how to actually create a new message.

    Replied to in another message :)

    I only see various "reply" options to existing messages.

    Meanwhile.. where did all my previous "replies" that wrote in OpenXP go?

    If you have an "Unsent" area, you might find them in there.

    Is there any way to re-send them?

    Assuming that you do have an "Unsent" area and there are some messages
    in there, cursor over the message you wish to re-post and select "Message/Action/Repost".

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 13:52:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 13:23, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Neither does mine, therefore my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    Therefore, I used the "copy $PUFFER $UPFILL"

    Nope .....

    Press <F1> in the "Upload packer" field and see what it says in the
    "unpacked transfer (Fido/UUCP)" paragraph ;)

    and "copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER" offerings.

    That suggests that your uplink *sends* uncompressed echomail bundles.
    Can you please confirm this(or otherwise) before we go any further,
    thanks.

    You haven't answered my question yet :)

    (Sheesh.. Ctrl K Y for a block delete? I am not sure if I will remember all these editing codes!)

    Given time, I'm sure you will :-)

    Meanwhile, it looks like the packer settings where the problem. A previous message looks like it went out. If this next message gets out, then this thing can now operate.

    ACK :)

    It was not obvious that UPLOADS packer could be empty,

    I have to admit that it isn't at all obvious.

    *but* DOWNLOADS packer could not.

    Which sorta suggests that OpenXP expects compressed incoming echomail bundles.

    This program is quite a "puzzle" to keep the brain active.

    Yes indeedy :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 14:21:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 19:29, August Abolins wrote to August Abolins:

    ..my "Upload packer" field is empty.
    ^^^^^^

    [snip]
    I thought you said those fields could be empty. :(

    Nope, I didn't say anything about the Download packer :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 3 21:45:06 2019
    Hello August Abolins!

    01 Apr 19 00:17:00, August Abolins wrote to ALL:

    The Eagle has landed on the world of OpenXP.

    Congratulations!

    CU, Ricsi

    --- goAtEd-linux/amd64 1.0.4-152-634cebd3
    * Origin: https://github.com/askovpen/goated (2:310/31)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Richard Menedetter on Wed Apr 3 19:20:00 2019
    Hello Richard!

    ** 03.04.19 - 21:45, Richard Menedetter wrote to August Abolins:


    The Eagle has landed on the world of OpenXP.

    Congratulations!

    Actually, *that* original message (and a few of my other attempts) ended
    up as a BAD packet at the boss system. The boss re-tossed them manually, and voila! But here I am trying to warm up to the virtues of OpenXP.

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 20:07:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    It kept generating this awful loud sound from the PC. (It was
    not pleasant when I was listening to music on an external amp at
    the time). How do you turn off sounds?

    I don't think you can but have a look in Config/Display/Accessibility
    to make sure "additional sound signals" is un-checked.

    Yes... all those boxes are unchecked. The only other option I seem to
    have is to disable Windows sounds. But I don't want to do that.. I like
    to hear some of the normal Windows alerts.



    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 20:09:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    OK.. I left the UPLOAD packer empty,

    OK.

    and used the "copy puffer.." choice in DOWNLOAD packer.

    Hmmmm, this one's got me baffled :-/

    Why? What did I do wrong? That field needed "something" or the program would screetch at me like a banshee.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 20:11:00 2019
    Hello Martin!


    From what I've read in another of your posts, it would seem that you
    now have a Netmail area, yes?

    (Man.. I'm getting good at mark block text and Ctrl K Y !!!)

    Yes.. the netmail area finally appeared after the areafix messages came
    in.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 20:39:00 2019
    Hello Martin!


    That suggests that your uplink *sends* uncompressed echomail bundles.
    Can you please confirm this(or otherwise) before we go any further,
    thanks.

    You haven't answered my question yet :)

    I seem to remember my boss stating that he does not compress anything.


    Meanwhile, it looks like the packer settings where the problem. A
    previous message looks like it went out. If this next message gets out, AA>> then this thing can now operate.

    ACK :)

    So.. the given "copy..." option for the download field is the right
    choice?


    This program is quite a "puzzle" to keep the brain active.

    Yes indeedy :)

    ..to say the least.

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 21:15:00 2019
    Hello Martin!


    ..my "Upload packer" field is empty.
    I thought you said those fields could be empty. :(

    Nope, I didn't say anything about the Download packer :)


    And you are absolutely right.

    I read and re-read your message, and I checked and re-checked the guide,
    and then a few minutes later there was an a-ha moment when I realized the *error* to assume that both fields can be empty. I was under a lot of
    stress with the failing N S and the screetching buzzer noise from oxp.
    lol

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 3 22:34:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    Assuming that you do have an "Unsent" area and there are some messages
    in there, cursor over the message you wish to re-post and select MF>"Message/Action/Repost".


    That one is confusing. If the message is in unsent and sitting in the
    queue, wouldn't it automatically get posted?

    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    It's probably not something I would need to do on a regular basis, but my previous message "fails" made me wonder if they would ever make it. My
    boss told me that they ended up as BAD packets.. in which case I would normally have wanted to resend them.

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 4 11:46:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 03.04.19 at 20:11, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    From what I've read in another of your posts, it would seem that you
    now have a Netmail area, yes?

    (Man.. I'm getting good at mark block text and Ctrl K Y !!!)

    Yeah and did you also know that <Ctrl+Y> deletes a single line :)

    Yes.. the netmail area finally appeared after the areafix
    messages came in.

    Excellent!

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 4 11:56:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 03.04.19 at 20:39, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    That suggests that your uplink *sends* uncompressed echomail bundles.
    Can you please confirm this(or otherwise) before we go any further,
    thanks.

    You haven't answered my question yet :)

    I seem to remember my boss stating that he does not compress anything.

    OK, fair enough but just to make sure, have a look in the "Netcall"
    area where you'll find all your session logs.

    Meanwhile, it looks like the packer settings where the problem. A
    previous message looks like it went out. If this next message gets out,
    then this thing can now operate.

    ACK :)

    So.. the given "copy..." option for the download field is the right choice?

    I'm still a bit baffled about this one but suffice to say that if it's working then it must be the right choice ;-)

    This program is quite a "puzzle" to keep the brain active.

    Yes indeedy :)

    ..to say the least.

    Can you imagine what it must have been like for those of us who had to key-bash our way through CrossPoint - *everything* was in German.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 4 12:45:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 03.04.19 at 20:09, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    OK.. I left the UPLOAD packer empty,

    OK.

    and used the "copy puffer.." choice in DOWNLOAD packer.

    Hmmmm, this one's got me baffled :-/

    Why?

    At this point in time, I'm unsure what the correct setting should be.
    I may seek clarification from the developer on this.

    What did I do wrong?

    Nothing, apparently :)

    That field needed "something" or the program would screetch at me
    like a banshee.

    Yep.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 4 13:46:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 03.04.19 at 22:34, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Assuming that you do have an "Unsent" area and there are some messages
    in there, cursor over the message you wish to re-post and select
    "Message/Action/Repost".

    That one is confusing.

    Yes, it can be.

    If the message is in unsent and sitting in the queue, wouldn't it automatically get posted?

    It's not actually sitting in the queue because the "Unsent" area is an internal area.

    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    Cursor over the message you want to re-post and then it's just a
    simple matter of selecting "Message/Action/Repost".

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 4 12:13:00 2019

    On 2019 Apr 03 22:34:00, you wrote to Martin Foster:

    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    that is not a good idea... unless the MSGID is changed it would generally be seen as a duplicate and thrown away... one could make a second copy of the message which should get its own MSGID and then they could edit that one... it really depends on the software... some might keep the MSGID the same if the message has not been sent yet... if it has been sent, it could make a second copy with a new MSGID and you could edit that... there might even be a notice box popped up about the copy being made since the message was already sent...

    It's probably not something I would need to do on a regular basis, but
    my previous message "fails" made me wonder if they would ever make it.
    My boss told me that they ended up as BAD packets.. in which case I
    would normally have wanted to resend them.

    that's a bit different as the PKT was set aside so the MSGIDs would not have been processed... in this case, one would generally unset the "sent" bit of the message(s) and trigger a new outbound mail scan which would pack the messages into a new PKT and send them off again... hopefully this time, the problem with the PKT has been fixed so the messages would be properly processed and passed on...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Old age comes at a bad time.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Thu Apr 4 20:13:00 2019
    Hello mark!

    ** 04.04.19 - 12:13, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    that is not a good idea... unless the MSGID is changed it would generally be seen as a duplicate and thrown away...

    Good point. I will have to experiment and see what happens. Should I use the TEST echo of stuff like that?


    one could make a second copy of the message which should get its own
    MSGID and then they could edit that one...

    [ 8< snip ]

    .... there might even be a notice box popped up about the copy being
    made since the message was already sent...

    All good options. I shall experiment. What I notice in oxp is that once
    I re-edit a message to change the subject, it asks if I want to keep the "linkage".


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Thu Apr 4 21:17:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 04.04.19 - 11:46, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:


    (Man.. I'm getting good at mark block text and Ctrl K Y !!!)

    Yeah and did you also know that <Ctrl+Y> deletes a single line :)


    I do now! I think I may use that more often.

    BTW... is there an UNDO like Ctrl-Z in other editors?

    When I've accidentally deleted too much text:
    1. I save the current message
    2. go back to the original
    3. launch a quote-reply
    4. copy the text I want into the clipboard
    5. exit that message and *don't* save it.
    6. go back to the Unsent message and open it to Edit.
    7. plop in the block.

    Not pleasant! :(


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Thu Apr 4 21:38:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 04.04.19 - 11:56, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    I seem to remember my boss stating that he does not compress
    anything.

    OK, fair enough but just to make sure, have a look in the "Netcall"
    area where you'll find all your session logs.

    OK. What do I look for in there? Here's a recent sample:

    19:50:09 OPT CRAM-MD5-6de854a0607ab302a32b9a69802d6bee
    19:50:09 SYS RBB/2
    19:50:09 ZYZ Tommi Koivula
    19:50:09 LOC Lake Ylo, Finland
    19:50:09 NDL IBN,CM
    19:50:09 TIME Fri, 5 Apr 2019 02:50:06 +0300
    19:50:09 VER binkd/1.1a-99/OS2 binkp/1.1
    19:50:11 TRF 0 62893
    19:50:11 OPT EXTCMD GZ BZ2
    19:50:11 secure
    * 19:50:12 Rcvd a68c2206.pkt, 617b
    * 19:50:14 Sent 04195006.PKT, 7883b
    * 19:50:15 Rcvd NODELIST.ZIP, 56916b
    * 19:50:15 Rcvd 0sbznbvp.tic, 550b
    * 19:50:15 Rcvd NODEDIFF.Z95, 2412b
    * 19:50:15 Rcvd 0sbzn0fn.tic, 764b
    * 19:50:15 Rcvd a67f7705.pkt, 1634b
    = 19:50:16 hangup
    - 19:50:16 exiting


    So.. the given "copy..." option for the download field is the right
    choice?

    I'm still a bit baffled about this one but suffice to say that if it's working then it must be the right choice ;-)

    I have this:

    Upload packer: <blank>
    Download packer: copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER

    All the other dropdown options for the "Download packer" referenced archivers, so I avoided those. "copy.." was the only other choice so as
    to avoid the screetching banshee.

    What is the baffling part?

    Meanwhile.. I noticed in LOG/ERRORS.LOG:

    10.03.19 19:49:58 2:221/1: incomplete point data - please check server
    config
    10.03.19 19:51:01 No matching servers.
    10.03.19 20:02:36 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    31.03.19 14:02:55 Empty timing list.
    31.03.19 22:28:30 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    31.03.19 22:37:28 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    02.04.19 12:26:28 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check server config
    02.04.19 12:27:58 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    02.04.19 21:33:48 Can't talk to the device!
    04.04.19 19:50:17 Datei(en) wurde(n) nicht korrekt entpackt!

    I saw this last one following a NODELIST delivery today.


    This program is quite a "puzzle" to keep the brain active.

    Can you imagine what it must have been like for those of us who had to key-bash our way through CrossPoint - *everything* was in German.

    Gotta give you marks for perseverance.



    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Thu Apr 4 21:46:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 04.04.19 - 13:46, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:


    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    Cursor over the message you want to re-post and then it's just a
    simple matter of selecting "Message/Action/Repost".

    Got it. Thanks. The caveat might be that the same MSGID could trigger a
    DUPE warning up the fidonet chain and get dropped?


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 00:19:52 2019

    On 2019 Apr 04 20:13:00, you wrote to me:

    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    that is not a good idea... unless the MSGID is changed it would
    generally be seen as a duplicate and thrown away...

    Good point. I will have to experiment and see what happens. Should I
    use the TEST echo of stuff like that?

    that's a good idea... i know that several responders in there quote back all the control lines on test messages...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Creativity is great, but plagiarism is faster.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 00:22:34 2019

    On 2019 Apr 04 21:17:00, you wrote to Martin Foster:

    (Man.. I'm getting good at mark block text and Ctrl K Y !!!)

    Yeah and did you also know that <Ctrl+Y> deletes a single line :)

    I do now! I think I may use that more often.

    BTW... is there an UNDO like Ctrl-Z in other editors?

    most of the editors i know of that use ^Y to delete lines also use ^U to undelete and put them where the cursor currently is...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Shouldn't you be doing something productive?
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 00:24:42 2019

    On 2019 Apr 04 21:38:00, you wrote to Martin Foster:

    I seem to remember my boss stating that he does not compress
    anything.

    OK, fair enough but just to make sure, have a look in the "Netcall"
    area where you'll find all your session logs.

    OK. What do I look for in there? Here's a recent sample:

    PKTs are uncompressed FTN mail...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Fri Apr 5 02:24:00 2019
    Hello mark!

    ** 05.04.19 - 00:22, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

    BTW... is there an UNDO like Ctrl-Z in other editors?

    most of the editors i know of that use ^Y to delete lines also use ^U to undelete and put them where the cursor currently is...

    That's IT!

    ^Y is documented, but ^U is not. (Another one for the books, Martin)

    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to mark lewis on Fri Apr 5 02:30:00 2019
    Hello mark!

    ** 05.04.19 - 00:24, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:


    OK. What do I look for in there? Here's a recent sample:

    PKTs are uncompressed FTN mail...

    I realized that, but I thought Martin meant that I should be looking for a special command sequence or transfer indicator.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 12:58:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 04.04.19 at 21:17, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    (Man.. I'm getting good at mark block text and Ctrl K Y !!!)

    Yeah and did you also know that <Ctrl+Y> deletes a single line :)


    I do now! I think I may use that more often.

    Yeah, I find it much easier to repeatedly press <Ctrl+Y> than to use
    the block functions.

    BTW... is there an UNDO like Ctrl-Z in other editors?

    Yes ..... <Ctrl+U> but it can make a mess :(

    When I've accidentally deleted too much text:
    1. I save the current message
    2. go back to the original
    3. launch a quote-reply
    4. copy the text I want into the clipboard
    5. exit that message and *don't* save it.
    6. go back to the Unsent message and open it to Edit.
    7. plop in the block.

    Not pleasant! :(

    It's what's known as being a bit convoluted but thanks for posting the
    nice ordered list :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 13:57:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 04.04.19 at 21:38, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    I seem to remember my boss stating that he does not compress
    anything.

    OK, fair enough but just to make sure, have a look in the "Netcall"
    area where you'll find all your session logs.

    OK. What do I look for in there? Here's a recent sample:

    [snip]
    * 19:50:12 Rcvd a68c2206.pkt, 617b
    ^^^
    This
    [snip]
    * 19:50:15 Rcvd a67f7705.pkt, 1634b
    ^^^
    And this

    However, this does not mean to say that these contain echomail
    messages. It would be better to look back through your session logs
    for occurences of *.SU?, *.MO?, *.TU? etc. etc. These are compressed
    mail bundle extensions.

    So.. the given "copy..." option for the download field is the
    right choice?

    I'm still a bit baffled about this one but suffice to say that if it's
    working then it must be the right choice ;-)

    I have this:

    Upload packer: <blank>
    Download packer: copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER

    All the other dropdown options for the "Download packer" referenced archivers, so I avoided those. "copy.." was the only other choice so as to avoid the screetching banshee.

    What is the baffling part?

    A combination of the online help topic being incorrect and one of the
    errors which keeps popping up below .....

    Meanwhile.. I noticed in LOG/ERRORS.LOG:

    10.03.19 19:49:58 2:221/1: incomplete point data - please check server config
    10.03.19 19:51:01 No matching servers.

    You can safely ignore those two, as they haven't popped up again.

    10.03.19 20:02:36 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check server config

    This is the one that's bugging me.

    31.03.19 14:02:55 Empty timing list.

    You can ignore this one, as it hasn't popped up again.

    31.03.19 22:28:30 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check server config
    31.03.19 22:37:28 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check server config
    02.04.19 12:26:28 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check server config
    02.04.19 12:27:58 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check server config

    Cropping up repeatedly so there's obviously an unsolved problem.

    02.04.19 21:33:48 Can't talk to the device!

    Never seen that one before.

    04.04.19 19:50:17 Datei(en) wurde(n) nicht korrekt entpackt!

    Literal translation is "File incorrectly unpacked". On occasion, I've
    seen this error message in my own setup and the first time I saw it,
    it threw me completely and it took me ages to figured it out.

    I saw this last one following a NODELIST delivery today.

    I can think of two possible reasons for this:

    [1]Even though you're not using an unpacker for your incoming mail
    packets, you still need one for the Zip'd nodelists/pointlists and
    their respective Zip'd diffs. Additionally, you need one/some for the built-in Archive Viewer to function.

    Check this out .....
    Config/External/Unpacker

    Do you see a "tick" mark at the right-hand end of the ZIP entry. If
    you don't, that's one possible reason why you're getting the "File incorrectly unpacked" error. The unpacker(s) that you wish to use
    should either be on your path or in OpenXP's root directory.

    [2]
    I noticed in the logfile that you posted, that the filename of the
    nodelist was NODELIST.ZIP but OpenXP expects nodelist filenames to be
    in the form NODELIST.Z??, where "??" is the last two characters of the
    Julian day number. In this particular case, OpenXP would have been
    expecting NODELIST.Z95.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 14:01:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 04.04.19 at 21:46, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    What I am after is resending a previously sent message.

    Cursor over the message you want to re-post and then it's just a
    simple matter of selecting "Message/Action/Repost".

    Got it. Thanks. The caveat might be that the same MSGID could trigger a DUPE warning up the fidonet chain and get dropped?

    Yes, that's true.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Fri Apr 5 14:38:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 05.04.19 at 02:24, August Abolins wrote to mark lewis:

    BTW... is there an UNDO like Ctrl-Z in other editors?

    most of the editors i know of that use ^Y to delete lines also use ^U to
    undelete and put them where the cursor currently is...

    That's IT!

    ^Y is documented, but ^U is not. (Another one for the books, Martin)

    Ahem ..... ^U *is* documented :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Apr 5 18:47:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 05.04.19 - 14:38, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    ^Y is documented, but ^U is not. (Another one for the books,
    Martin)

    Ahem ..... ^U *is* documented :-)


    OK.. Another look through, and found it. BUT it's the only one in a different colour than the rest. I was expecting to see ^U *next* to ^Y
    *and* the same colour. What tripped me up as the sickly green font
    against the gray background - hard to see in my red-green colourblind defective state. :( And.. the clarity of green/grey depended on the
    angle of the laptop screen.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Apr 5 19:06:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 05.04.19 - 12:58, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    When I've accidentally deleted too much text:
    1. I save the current message
    2. go back to the original
    3. launch a quote-reply
    4. copy the text I want into the clipboard
    5. exit that message and *don't* save it.
    6. go back to the Unsent message and open it to Edit.
    7. plop in the block.

    Not pleasant! :(

    It's what's known as being a bit convoluted but thanks for posting the
    nice ordered list :)

    That's prior to realizing there was an undo. But I only did the 1-7 above
    a handful of times. Most of the time I have been careful not to need
    that.

    Regarding "nice ordered list".. that's because I find something like this:
    1. I save the current message 2. go back to the original 3. launch a quote-reply 4. copy the text I want into the clipboard 5. exit that
    message and *don't* save it. 6. go back to the Unsent message and open it
    to Edit. 7. plop in the block. ..is harder to read.

    Man.. I think I've getting pretty good at the block edit commands!




    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Fri Apr 5 21:11:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 05.04.19 - 13:57, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    ...have a look in the "Netcall"
    area where you'll find all your session logs.

    ... It would be better to look back through your session logs
    for occurences of *.SU?, *.MO?, *.TU? etc. etc. These are compressed
    mail bundle extensions.

    The logs only record .PKT filenames.


    This is the one that's bugging me.

    31.03.19 14:02:55 Empty timing list.

    Yeah.. that was not long ago. Let me know what that means when you find
    out.


    31.03.19 22:28:30 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    31.03.19 22:37:28 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    02.04.19 12:26:28 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config
    02.04.19 12:27:58 2:221/1: incomplete packer settings - please check
    server config

    Cropping up repeatedly so there's obviously an unsolved problem.

    I think those were related to my nodelist build attempts (?)


    02.04.19 21:33:48 Can't talk to the device!

    Never seen that one before.

    Maybe I didn't have a solid internet connection when I launched a poll.


    Check this out .....
    Config/External/Unpacker

    Do you see a "tick" mark at the right-hand end of the ZIP entry. If
    you don't, that's one possible reason why you're getting the "File incorrectly unpacked" error. The unpacker(s) that you wish to use
    should either be on your path or in OpenXP's root directory.

    There are no tick marks. It is just a list of archivers and their "arguments" ...and an F2 option to change things.



    I noticed in the logfile that you posted, that the filename of the
    nodelist was NODELIST.ZIP but OpenXP expects nodelist filenames to be
    in the form NODELIST.Z??,

    But why didn't my renamed file NODELIST.ZIP to NODELIST.Z95 work? Is it because I didn't have a valid archiver available?

    I found a working unzip.exe here:

    C:\SWTOOLS\APPS\wc301-219f ..and will copy that to the /OPENXP dir.


    Thanks for pointing out the various issues.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.36
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 6 14:08:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 05.04.19 at 18:47, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    ^Y is documented, but ^U is not. (Another one for the books,
    Martin)

    Ahem ..... ^U *is* documented :-)

    OK.. Another look through, and found it. BUT it's the only one
    in a different colour than the rest. I was expecting to see ^U
    *next* to ^Y *and* the same colour.

    Yeah, I'll have to take a look at that ;)

    What tripped me up as the sickly green font against the gray
    background

    That can be changed: Config/Display/Colors/Help

    - hard to see in my red-green colourblind defective
    state. :(

    Oh, sorry to hear that.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 6 14:43:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 05.04.19 at 21:11, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    ...have a look in the "Netcall"
    area where you'll find all your session logs.

    ... It would be better to look back through your session logs
    for occurences of *.SU?, *.MO?, *.TU? etc. etc. These are compressed
    mail bundle extensions.

    The logs only record .PKT filenames.

    That indicates that your uplink does not send compressed mail bundles
    and that your Download Unpacker setting is correct.

    [snip]
    Check this out .....
    Config/External/Unpacker

    Do you see a "tick" mark at the right-hand end of the ZIP entry. If
    you don't, that's one possible reason why you're getting the "File
    incorrectly unpacked" error. The unpacker(s) that you wish to use
    should either be on your path or in OpenXP's root directory.

    There are no tick marks. It is just a list of archivers and their "arguments" ...and an F2 option to change things.

    I noticed in the logfile that you posted, that the filename of the
    nodelist was NODELIST.ZIP but OpenXP expects nodelist filenames to be
    in the form NODELIST.Z??,

    But why didn't my renamed file NODELIST.ZIP to NODELIST.Z95 work? Is it because I didn't have a valid archiver available?

    Yes, precisely.

    I found a working unzip.exe here:

    C:\SWTOOLS\APPS\wc301-219f ..and will copy that to the /OPENXP dir.

    Has this resolved the issue?

    Thanks for pointing out the various issues.

    Pleased to have been of assistance :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Sat Apr 6 21:40:53 2019
    In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/6/2019 7:08 AM

    Ahem ..... ^U *is* documented :-)

    What tripped me up as the sickly green font against the gray
    background

    - hard to see in my red-green colourblind defective
    state. :(

    Oh, sorry to hear that.

    I still see reds quite well (much better through amber sunglasses like blue-blockers).. but it's the greens and grays where I have fewer options. The greenish text describing ^U, blended a bit too much with the gray background.. as well as the tilt of the laptop display was "off" from the perfect angle, I guess.

    --- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
    * Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 7 13:42:21 2019
    Hello August!

    On 06.04.19 at 21:40:52, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Ahem ..... ^U *is* documented :-)

    What tripped me up as the sickly green font against the gray AA>
    background

    - hard to see in my red-green colourblind defective AA> state. :(

    Oh, sorry to hear that.

    I still see reds quite well (much better through amber sunglasses like blue-blockers).. but it's the greens and grays where I have fewer options. The greenish text describing ^U, blended a bit too much with the gray background.. as well as the tilt of the laptop display was "off" from the perfect angle, I guess.

    Tip:
    ---
    Once you get your colour scheme to your liking, copy XPOINT.COL to another directory somewhere. If you ever have the need to do a fresh clean install of OpenXP, copy the file back into your new OpenXP installion and you will have your colour scheme back. Saves a *lot* of fiddling around with OpenXP's colour configuration :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Sun Apr 7 18:54:53 2019
    In a post between "Martin Foster : August Abolins", on 4/7/2019 8:42 AM

    ..The greenish text describing ^U, blended a bit too much with
    the gray background.. as well as the tilt of the laptop display
    was "off" from the perfect angle, I guess.


    Tip:
    ---
    Once you get your colour scheme to your liking, copy XPOINT.COL to
    another directory somewhere. If you ever have the need to do a fresh
    clean install of OpenXP, copy the file back into your new OpenXP
    installion and you will have your colour scheme back. Saves a *lot* of fiddling around with OpenXP's colour configuration :-)

    I will most certainly make use of that. Thanks.


    .../|ug

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Martin Foster on Sun Apr 7 12:15:32 2019

    On 2019 Apr 07 13:42:20, you wrote to August Abolins:

    Tip:
    ---
    Once you get your colour scheme to your liking, copy XPOINT.COL to
    another directory somewhere. If you ever have the need to do a fresh
    clean install of OpenXP, copy the file back into your new OpenXP installion and you will have your colour scheme back. Saves a *lot* of fiddling around with OpenXP's colour configuration :-)

    you guys should make a set of color scheme ""templates"" like we used to do back in the day for frontdoor and similar programs that had color selection capability... save them, copy them to schemename.col, and distribute them... so if someone wanted a frontdoor-like scheme, they'd copy frontdoor.col to xpoint.col... or if they wanted a wordstar-like color scheme, they'd copy wordstar.col to xpoint.col... AIR, we had them for TimED, frontdoor, fastecho and other similar FTN software...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... Coming to you live from a finite point in the space-time continuum!
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Sun Apr 7 20:54:22 2019
    On 07/04/2019 12:15 p.m., mark lewis to Martin Foster wrote:

    you guys should make a set of color scheme ""templates"" like we used
    to do back in the day for frontdoor and similar programs that had
    color selection capability... save them, copy them to schemename.col,
    and distribute them... so if someone wanted a frontdoor-like scheme,
    they'd copy frontdoor.col to xpoint.col... or if they wanted a
    wordstar-like color scheme, they'd copy wordstar.col to xpoint.col...
    AIR, we had them for TimED, frontdoor, fastecho and other similar FTN software...

    You're hired! :) I expect all scheme templates on my desk by 5pm next week.
    Make it so!

    But seriously, a great idea of yours with selectable .COL files.

    .../|ug

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 8 13:18:00 2019
    Hello mark!

    On 07.04.19 at 12:15, mark lewis wrote to Martin Foster:

    you guys should make a set of color scheme ""templates"" like we used to do back in the day for frontdoor and similar programs that had color selection capability... save them, copy them to schemename.col, and distribute them... so if someone wanted a frontdoor-like scheme, they'd copy frontdoor.col to xpoint.col... or if they wanted a wordstar-like color scheme, they'd copy wordstar.col to xpoint.col... AIR, we had them for TimED, frontdoor, fastecho and other similar FTN software...

    Excellent idea, thanks :-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 8 14:42:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 02.04.19 at 19:10, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    ..my "Upload packer" field is empty.

    OpenXP wouldn't let me leave it empty. It kept generating this
    awful loud sound from the PC.

    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is
    a different matter.

    Did you know that instead of putting a multitude of switches on the commandline, there's a much easier way of achieving the same
    thing(apart from running OpenXP from a batch file). To find out how,
    press <F1> *twice* from OpenXP's main screen and *<Tab>* your way to
    "Command line switches". Scroll down to the bottom of the page and
    you'll see some info about the AUTOEXEC directory. Once you've read
    and digested the info, you may also like to press <Enter> on
    "AUTOEXEC" -> stand by to be amazed! ;-)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Apr 8 13:33:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 08.04.19 - 14:42, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is
    a different matter.

    I put /q and /nb in the Windows shortcut Properties.

    SEEMs to cooperate!

    Bonus.. sofar *no* screeming banshee.


    Did you know that instead of putting a multitude of switches on the commandline, there's a much easier way of achieving the same
    thing(apart from running OpenXP from a batch file). To find out how,
    press <F1> *twice* from OpenXP's main screen and *<Tab>* your way to "Command line switches". Scroll down to the bottom of the page and
    you'll see some info about the AUTOEXEC directory. Once you've read
    and digested the info, you may also like to press <Enter> on
    "AUTOEXEC" -> stand by to be amazed! ;-)

    Regarding AUTOEXEC direcotory: THAT is a good feature. *I* probably won't need all that. But I can see its benefits for a dedicated oxp system that implements multiple servers, IPv6 vs IPv4, and other particular things.

    The /x option (quit program) intrigues me. Why would anyone want that in
    a "startup" autoexec routine?

    Regarding F1 twice: Cool. But I would never have thought that TAB would
    walk through the next items. I was using down-arrow and it was skipping
    some of those!


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Apr 8 20:03:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 08.04.19 - 14:42, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:


    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is
    a different matter.

    UPDATE. Apparently this does *not* silence everything. :(

    When I am editing and over-delete at the end of a line, the program beeps with every extra key-press.


    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Mon Apr 8 20:33:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 05.04.19 - 13:57, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [1]Even though you're not using an unpacker for your incoming mail
    packets, you still need one for the Zip'd nodelists/pointlists and
    their respective Zip'd diffs. Additionally, you need one/some for the built-in Archive Viewer to function.

    Check this out .....
    Config/External/Unpacker

    Do you see a "tick" mark at the right-hand end of the ZIP entry. If
    you don't, that's one possible reason why you're getting the "File incorrectly unpacked" error. The unpacker(s) that you wish to use
    should either be on your path or in OpenXP's root directory.

    UPDATE: Now I know what you mean by "tick". Before, I wasn't sure what I was supposed to look for. The symbol you are refering to is *thinner*
    than the usual text, and therefore not very noticeable by me.

    Maybe with the wonderful utf-8 and extended char support in oxp you could have have shown me the symbol to look for: û <G> (see how thin it is?)

    BTW, that's actually a square-root sysmbol to me. And, I now realize that folks in the UK say "tick" for a checkmark.




    [2] ..OpenXP expects nodelist filenames to be
    in the form NODELIST.Z??, where "??" is the last two characters of the Julian day number. In this particular case, OpenXP would have been expecting NODELIST.Z95.

    UPDATE: Yes, I was always selecting the .Z## version of the archive. BUT,
    at that time, I did not have the Conf/External/Unpacker properly set up.

    I found this on my system:

    UnZip 5.52 of 28 February 2005, by Info-ZIP. Maintained by C. Spieler.

    ..and copied that to the OpenXP root directory.

    The next time I went through the Add Nodelist routine, everything seemed
    to work.

    Now I can S)earch for a name (or a partial name) and oxp gives me choices.

    And.. the polling doesn't lock anymore as before.



    Regards,
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 9 13:23:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 08.04.19 at 13:33, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is
    a different matter.

    I put /q and /nb in the Windows shortcut Properties.

    OK, I'd forgotten you could do that :-]

    SEEMs to cooperate!

    Bonus.. sofar *no* screeming banshee.

    Good! :)

    [snip]
    The /x option (quit program) intrigues me. Why would anyone want that in a "startup" autoexec routine?

    Absolutely no idea but I'll ask the developer.

    Regarding F1 twice: Cool. But I would never have thought that TAB would walk through the next items.

    After pressing <F1> twice, see what the next to the bottom line says.
    The bottom line may also be of interest :)

    I was using down-arrow and it was skipping some of those!

    Yup, precisely.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 9 13:26:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 08.04.19 at 20:03, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    ** 08.04.19 - 14:42, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is
    a different matter.

    UPDATE. Apparently this does *not* silence everything. :(

    Uh-Oh!

    When I am editing and over-delete at the end of a line, the program beeps with every extra key-press.

    I'm fresh out of ideas on that one, sorry.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 9 13:35:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 08.04.19 at 20:33, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    The next time I went through the Add Nodelist routine, everything
    seemed to work.

    Now I can S)earch for a name (or a partial name) and oxp gives me
    choices.

    And.. the polling doesn't lock anymore as before.

    Well, there ya go, another problem solved :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 9 17:43:40 2019
    On 09/04/2019 6:35 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

     AA> The next time I went through the Add Nodelist routine, everything
     AA> seemed to work.
    [snip]
     AA> And.. the polling doesn't lock anymore as before.

    Well, there ya go, another problem solved :)

    Heheheh.. more like a bandaid solution.

    I haven't thought of trying to add a nodediff file. But adding a separate pointlist definitely breaks the program. :(

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 9 19:38:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 09.04.19 - 13:23, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:


    Regarding F1 twice: Cool. But I would never have thought that TAB
    would walk through the next items.

    After pressing <F1> twice, see what the next to the bottom line says.
    The bottom line may also be of interest :)

    I was using down-arrow and it was skipping some of those!

    OK. But I don't understand WHY a simply down-arrow can't land on all of
    the items in the menu. The down arrow only selects either [1] Help on
    help, or [2] Command line switches:

    ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ»
    º º
    º °°°°°°°°°° = Online Help Contents = °°°°°°°°°° º
    º º
    º tab -> Help on Help <-via dn arrow º
    º º
    º tab -> Hotkeys º
    º º
    º tab -> Command line switches <-via dn arrow º
    º º
    º tab -> Support º
    º º
    º tab -> Licence conditions º
    º º
    º <Tab> ... go to next cross-reference º
    º Alt-F1 ... go back one page (Windows only) º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍͼ

    ..instead, we have to use <TAB>. (I mean, the top menu uses arrows to navigate), so why not this menu?

    It just gets a little confusing when to use the tab and when arrow keys
    would work. :(

    But thanks for the heads-up!

    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.37
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 10 13:53:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 09.04.19 at 17:43, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

     AA> The next time I went through the Add Nodelist routine, everything
     AA> seemed to work.
    [snip]
     AA> And.. the polling doesn't lock anymore as before.

    Well, there ya go, another problem solved :)

    Heheheh.. more like a bandaid solution.

    I haven't thought of trying to add a nodediff file.

    Well then you should :)

    But adding a separate pointlist definitely breaks the program.
    :(

    Not here it doesn't but methinks you may have already fixed that?

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 10 14:19:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 09.04.19 at 19:38, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    OK. But I don't understand WHY a simply down-arrow can't land on all of the items in the menu. The down arrow only selects either [1] Help on help, or [2] Command line switches:

    ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ»
    º º
    º °°°°°°°°°° = Online Help Contents = °°°°°°°°°° º
    º º
    º tab -> Help on Help <-via dn arrow º
    º º
    º tab -> Hotkeys º
    º º
    º tab -> Command line switches <-via dn arrow º
    º º
    º tab -> Support º
    º º
    º tab -> Licence conditions º
    º º
    º <Tab> ... go to next cross-reference º
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    º Alt-F1 ... go back one page (Windows only) º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º
    º º ÈÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍͼ

    ..instead, we have to use <TAB>. (I mean, the top menu uses arrows to navigate), so why not this menu?

    That's because the first five items are cross-references(links) and
    the help topic is just one single page.

    It just gets a little confusing when to use the tab and when arrow keys would work. :(

    Welcome to the world of OpenXP :)

    But thanks for the heads-up!

    You're welcome.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 10 21:50:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 10.04.19 - 14:19, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    OK. But I don't understand WHY a simply down-arrow can't land on all of AA>> the items in the menu. The down arrow only selects either [1] Help on AA>> help, or [2] Command line switches:

    ÉÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ»
    º º
    º °°°°°°°°°° = Online Help Contents = °°°°°°°°°° º
    º º
    º tab -> Help on Help <-via dn arrow º
    º º
    º tab -> Hotkeys º
    º º
    º tab -> Command line switches <-via dn arrow º
    º º
    º tab -> Support º
    º º
    º tab -> Licence conditions º
    º º
    º <Tab> ... go to next cross-reference º
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



    That's because the first five items are cross-references(links) and
    the help topic is just one single page.


    Visually, the above is just a menu/list to me. So, using the arrows to navigate would be natural. But I understand that Tab is literally the "operating" key in many places in the program.


    It just gets a little confusing when to use the tab and when arrow keys AA>> would work. :(

    Welcome to the world of OpenXP :)

    Yeah.. to the "mysterious" world of OpenXP. <G>


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 10 21:54:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 10.04.19 - 13:53, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:


    I haven't thought of trying to add a nodediff file.

    Well then you should :)

    But adding a separate pointlist definitely breaks the program.
    :(

    Not here it doesn't but methinks you may have already fixed that?


    Correct. I don't know *how* or *why* the nodelist process cooperated this time.

    But the "screen shot" of your list helped, a lot. Thanks again.


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Thu Apr 11 23:48:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 09.04.19 - 13:26, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is MF>>> a different matter.

    UPDATE. Apparently this does *not* silence everything. :(

    Uh-Oh!
    I'm fresh out of ideas on that one, sorry.


    What exactly is the /q supoosed to silence if it still allows beeps? ..or
    is that a bug?



    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, ONT, CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Sat Apr 13 10:02:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 11.04.19 at 23:48, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    Just thought of something, try starting OpenXP with the /q switch.
    This is supposed to disable audio alerts but whether it does or not is
    a different matter.

    UPDATE. Apparently this does *not* silence everything. :(

    Uh-Oh!
    I'm fresh out of ideas on that one, sorry.

    What exactly is the /q supoosed to silence if it still allows beeps?
    ..or is that a bug?

    I'm not exactly sure but I do know that some changes were made a while
    ago concerning audio output. I'll try and find the commit logs for the changes and report back.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Sun Apr 14 11:44:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 13.04.19 at 10:02, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    What exactly is the /q supoosed to silence if it still allows beeps?
    ..or is that a bug?

    I'm not exactly sure but I do know that some changes were made a while
    ago concerning audio output. I'll try and find the commit logs for the changes and report back.

    Reporting back .....

    Changes were made in the 5.0.27 release *but* they were for the Linux
    version only.

    I'll pass your question on to the developer :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Marmite-on-Toast (2:240/2188.31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 15 13:09:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 14.04.19 at 11:44, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    What exactly is the /q supoosed to silence if it still allows beeps?
    ..or is that a bug?

    I'm not exactly sure but I do know that some changes were made a while
    ago concerning audio output. I'll try and find the commit logs for the
    changes and report back.

    Reporting back .....

    Changes were made in the 5.0.27 release *but* they were for the Linux version only.

    I'll pass your question on to the developer :)

    Reporting back again .....

    Here's what he had to say:

    ---------- 8< ----------
    "There's an option named "additional sound signals" which overrides
    parameter /q in some cases (e.g. signalling the end of long running
    tasks like packing the message base)."

    "Also the option "optical sound signal" overrides parameter /q every
    time an error occurs."
    ---------- 8< ----------

    You've already stated that those two options are disabled, so that
    makes his comments about those two options irrelevant. However, it's
    what he *didn't* say that's relevant; he didn't say that this was a
    bug.

    Under what circumstances is the PC speaker beeping at you?

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From Martin Foster@2:240/2188.31 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 16 14:12:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 05.04.19 at 13:57, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    So.. the given "copy..." option for the download field is the
    right choice?

    I'm still a bit baffled about this one but suffice to say that if it's
    working then it must be the right choice ;-)

    I have this:

    Upload packer: <blank>
    Download packer: copy $DOWNFILE $PUFFER

    All the other dropdown options for the "Download packer" referenced
    archivers, so I avoided those. "copy.." was the only other choice so as
    to avoid the screetching banshee.

    What is the baffling part?

    A combination of the online help topic being incorrect and one of the errors which keeps popping up below .....

    The incorrect help topic has been corrected for the next release :)

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Tue Apr 16 19:23:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 15.04.19 - 13:09, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    ---------- 8< ----------
    "There's an option named "additional sound signals" which overrides parameter /q in some cases (e.g. signalling the end of long running
    tasks like packing the message base)."

    "Also the option "optical sound signal" overrides parameter /q every
    time an error occurs."
    ---------- 8< ----------

    WHERE are the "additional sound signals" and "optical sound signal"
    controls? Is that just for the linux version?


    You've already stated that those two options are disabled, so that
    makes his comments about those two options irrelevant. However, it's
    what he *didn't* say that's relevant; he didn't say that this was a
    bug.

    Maybe he doesn't have a working pc speaker! :/


    Under what circumstances is the PC speaker beeping at you?

    It beeps repeatedly with every key-press when I press the Delete key at
    the end of a line to clear out extra chars before EOF symbol (which is a diamond). I really don't need an audio beep to tell me what I can "see".


    ../|ug

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 17 13:02:11 2019
    Hello August!

    On 16.04.19 at 19:23:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

    [snip]
    WHERE are the "additional sound signals" and "optical sound signal" controls?

    Config -> Display -> Accessibilty

    They're both disabled by default anyway.

    If you press <F1> for each option, the help topics have gone AWOL :(
    I'll fix that for the next release :)

    Is that just for the linux version?

    Nope but it doesn't matter anyway because sound doesn't work *at all* in the Linux version.

    You've already stated that those two options are disabled, so that makes
    his comments about those two options irrelevant. However, it's what he
    *didn't* say that's relevant; he didn't say that this was a bug.

    Maybe he doesn't have a working pc speaker! :/

    Good point, never thought of that 8-)

    Under what circumstances is the PC speaker beeping at you?

    It beeps repeatedly with every key-press when I press the Delete key at the end of a line to clear out extra chars before EOF symbol (which is a diamond). I really don't need an audio beep to tell me what I can
    "see".

    Having just tried it, ISWYM.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Wed Apr 17 18:42:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 17.04.19 - 13:02, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    WHERE are the "additional sound signals" and "optical sound signal"
    controls?

    Config -> Display -> Accessibilty

    They're both disabled by default anyway.

    Good. That's what I thought. I remember confirming that those settings
    were "silent".


    If you press <F1> for each option, the help topics have gone AWOL :(
    I'll fix that for the next release :)

    Yes... looks like the last 3 helps are missing.


    Under what circumstances is the PC speaker beeping at you?

    It beeps repeatedly with every key-press when I press the Delete key at AA>> the end of a line to clear out extra chars before EOF symbol (which is a AA>> diamond). I really don't need an audio beep to tell me what I can
    "see".

    Having just tried it, ISWYM.

    Totally annoying, isn't it? I'd much prefer oxp to remain silent.


    ../|ug

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  • From Martin Foster@2:310/31.3 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 18 14:49:00 2019
    Hello August!

    On 10.04.19 at 14:19, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    [snip]
    That's because the first five items are cross-references(links) and
    the help topic is just one single page.

    Update .....

    That's not exactly true because after digging around in the source
    file, I've discovered that the real cause of the problem was that
    those five items are centered on the page. After changing that, so
    that those five items are not centered, you can now use either the
    <Tab> key or the Up/Down arrows to navigate the page. The fix will be
    in the next release.

    Regards,
    Martin

    --- OpenXP 5.0.38
    * Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Martin Foster on Thu Apr 18 22:14:00 2019
    Hello Martin!

    ** 18.04.19 - 14:49, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

    Update .....

    ..I've discovered that the real cause of the problem was that those
    five items are centered on the page. After changing that, so that
    those five items are not centered, you can now use either the <Tab>
    key or the Up/Down arrows to navigate the page. The fix will be in the
    next release.


    Wunderbar! Thanks for your perservance on the matter. OXP is starting
    to feel like a smoother ride.



    ../|ug

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