*** Answering a msg posted in area FIDOTEST (FIDOTEST).

Hello August!

*** Thursday July 02 2020 21:46, you wrote to Sean Dennis:

@MSGID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
@CHRS: CP437 2

^^^^^^^

@TZUTC: -0400
Hello Sean!

** On Thursday 02.07.20 - 19:36, Sean Dennis wrote to Mauro Veiga:

I believe to be sufficient that the reader is able to read CP437.
Every old mail reader does that.

Indeed. My BBS uses CP437 and Multimail uses CP437 so it all
works for me.

But the original did not have any char kludge. But not all readers
fall back to CP437 as a default. Usually the default is to just use
the plain text range?

BTW.. OpenXP has been adjusted to announce CP437 in lieu of the hottly
debated IBM437.

This message should have the former if I include some graphic lines:

Indeed it does when viewed with GoldED+ but when viewed with OpenXP, the CHRS kludge is IBM437:

=== Cut ===

EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: August Abolins@2:221/1.58
BET: cp437
ROT: 2:310/31!221/1 280/464 310/31
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
EDA: 20200703014600W-4
LEN: 1115
MAILER: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32) / OpenXP 5.0.45
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: Sean Dennis
X-XP-Charset: IBM437

^^^^^^
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Ummmmmmm, not quite sure what's going on here, it's just as though OpenXP has changed CP437 2 back to IBM437, IYSWIM ???????

Regards,
Martin

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Saturday 04.07.20 - 09:43, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

@MSGID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
@CHRS: CP437 2

^^^^^^^

@TZUTC: -0400
Hello Sean!

This message should have the former if I include some graphic lines:

Indeed it does when viewed with GoldED+ but when viewed with OpenXP, the CHRS kludge is IBM437:

=== Cut ===

EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: August Abolins@2:221/1.58
BET: cp437
ROT: 2:310/31!221/1 280/464 310/31
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
EDA: 20200703014600W-4
LEN: 1115
MAILER: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32) / OpenXP 5.0.45
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: Sean Dennis
X-XP-Charset: IBM437

^^^^^^
=== Cut ===

And this is happening with the SAME message on YOUR system?

Then it is CHANGING enroute to you?!! That is very inelegant. :(

Or.. Is this happening with the Linux version, locally?

Hmmm.. BTW, it arrived with CP437 from Tommi's system when viewing my
post in the NNTP version of that message:

Message-ID: <11645$fido.fidotest@JamNNTPd>
X-JAM-From: August Abolins <2:221/1.58>
X-JAM-To: Sean Dennis
X-JAM-MSGID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
X-JAM-PID: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
X-JAM-FTSKLUDGE: CHRS: CP437 2
X-JAM-TZUTCINFO: -0400
X-JAM-SEENBY2D: 203/0 221/1 6 360 240/1120 280/464 5003 5555 423/81
X-JAM-PATH2D: 221/1
X-JAM-Attributes: TypeEcho

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Ummmmmmm, not quite sure what's going on here, it's just as though OpenXP has changed CP437 2 back to IBM437, IYSWIM ???????

If you think it's OpenXP doing it, is it happening in both Linus and Win versions?


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Sveiks Martin!

04 Jul 20 09:43, you wrote to me:

=== Cut ===

EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: August Abolins@2:221/1.58
BET: cp437
ROT: 2:310/31!221/1 280/464 310/31
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
EDA: 20200703014600W-4
LEN: 1115
MAILER: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32) / OpenXP 5.0.45
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: Sean Dennis
X-XP-Charset: IBM437

^^^^^^
=== Cut ===

È É Ê Ë û

^^^
This is orignally a tick or a checkmark/squareroot symbol. It changes to a superscripted "1" when the kludge changes. :(

I am guessing that this Velenos session will send this repkl msg with CP850. That's what your original arriving here had.


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 04.07.20 at 08:39, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
@CHRS: CP437 2

^^^^^^^

@TZUTC: -0400
Hello Sean!

This message should have the former if I include some graphic lines:

Indeed it does when viewed with GoldED+ but when viewed with OpenXP, the
CHRS kludge is IBM437:

=== Cut ===

EMP: /FIDO/FIDOTEST
ABS: August Abolins@2:221/1.58
BET: cp437
ROT: 2:310/31!221/1 280/464 310/31
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e60cd0fc
EDA: 20200703014600W-4
LEN: 1115
MAILER: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32) / OpenXP 5.0.45
X_C:
X-XP-NTP: 30
F-TO: Sean Dennis
X-XP-Charset: IBM437

^^^^^^
=== Cut ===

And this is happening with the SAME message on YOUR system?

Yes.

Then it is CHANGING enroute to you?!! That is very inelegant. :(

Or.. Is this happening with the Linux version, locally?

See below .....

[snip]

Ummmmmmm, not quite sure what's going on here, it's just as though
OpenXP has changed CP437 2 back to IBM437, IYSWIM ???????

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset
TZUTC --> EDA

If you think it's OpenXP doing it, is it happening in both Linus and Win versions?

I'm assuming so but I don't know for sure as I'm no longer using the Linux version on a daily basis.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 04.07.20 at 19:28, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

I am guessing that this Velenos session will send this repkl msg with CP850. That's what your original arriving here had.

Yes it did.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** Saturday 11.07.20 at 11:03, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido
messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset
TZUTC --> EDA

Oooops, correction .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset

--------- --------
| FTS-4008 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
TZUTC --> EDA

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Sunday 12.07.20 - 09:02, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido
messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own
prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset

--------- --------
| FTS-4008 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
TZUTC --> EDA

WHAAAT? You've only noticed that now after all these years? LOL

I guess you never used Ctl-O very much. <g>

Even Thunderbird has its own little way of representing those things.

But what I *do* find unusual is OXP's insistance of changing incoming
CP437 to IBM437. If it has something to do with built-in hardcoded
codepage data in OXP, then maybe that make sense.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** Sunday 12.07.20 at 16:07, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Yep, that's exactly what's happened because where *incoming* Fido
messages are concerened, I've finally realised that OpenXP uses its own
prorietary kludges. Couple of examples .....

--------- --------
| FTS-5003 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
CHRS --> X-XP-Charset

--------- --------
| FTS-4008 | OpenXP |
--------- --------
TZUTC --> EDA

WHAAAT? You've only noticed that now after all these years? LOL

Oh, I'd noticed it a looooooooong time ago but I hadn't realised until
just recently that OpenXP changes kludges on *incoming* FTN messages to
its own proprietery kludges.

I guess you never used Ctl-O very much. <g>

I do use it but I've never found it particularly useful :(

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** On Monday 13.07.20 - 10:58, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

CHRS --> X-XP-Charset
TZUTC --> EDA

WHAAAT? You've only noticed that now after all these years? LOL

Oh, I'd noticed it a looooooooong time ago but I hadn't realised until just recently that OpenXP changes kludges on *incoming* FTN messages to its own proprietery kludges.

:) Where did you think that the typical fido kluges went to? ;)

I guess you never used Ctl-O very much. <g>

I do use it but I've never found it particularly useful :(

Before I discovered that I could modify the display of the message headers
in the reading pane, I flipped to Ctl-O to read the info + other details.

I think MSGID --> MID was the tipoff for me. But was a l-o-n-g time ago
now.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.45
* Origin: ----------Do Not Fold, Spindle or Mutilate.---------- (2:221/1.58)