• Sigs

    From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Jul 17 07:21:46 2019
    Daryl wrote --

    me with the money I was told they did, "since its mostly cheques
    anyway"). :)

    I'll vouch for your integrity. :)

    I would say something like "a lot that means" but I won't. :)

    I don't remember any of details five seconds after I'm done (who gave
    what, etc). I make it something to immediately forget.

    Forget what?? <G>

    I don't remember.

    Some days, I look I'm drunk as a coot with my signature. Most men's penmanship (including mine) is atrocious...but most women's is
    "immaculate" by comparison.

    Ain't it the truth!
    I can always (well, almost always) tell if a man or a woman wrote
    something just by looking at it.
    Women, as a rule, are always neat and tidy whereas a guy's often looks
    like so many wiggly words.
    My handwriting is atrocious. After something is cold (say reading notes about something later) I can't make out half of what I wrote. I'll read the line and think "what word would go there?" then make a guess.
    I love reading old documents where the writing is so fluid and perfect.
    Joe
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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Jul 17 21:30:00 2019
    07-17-19 07:21 JOE MACKEY wrote to DARYL STOUT about Sigs
    Howdy! Joe,

    @MSGID: <5D2F3847.22132.memoryln@capitolcityonline.net>
    Daryl wrote --
    -snip-
    Some days, I look I'm drunk as a coot with my signature. Most men's penmanship (including mine) is atrocious...but most women's is
    "immaculate" by comparison.

    Ain't it the truth!
    I can always (well, almost always) tell if a man or a woman wrote something just by looking at it.
    Women, as a rule, are always neat and tidy whereas a guy's often
    looks like so many wiggly words.
    My handwriting is atrocious. After something is cold (say reading
    notes about something later) I can't make out half of what I wrote.
    I'll read the line and think "what word would go there?" then make a guess.
    I love reading old documents where the writing is so fluid and
    perfect.

    When You started writing Parking Tickets at Marshall would You be able to
    Read any of the first Tickets that You wrote, if any copies of them are
    still in the Office?

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .


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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Fri Jul 19 06:18:04 2019
    Ed wrote --

    I'll read the line and think "what word would go there?" then make a
    guess.

    When You started writing Parking Tickets at Marshall would You be able to
    Read any of the first Tickets that You wrote, if any copies of them are still in the Office?

    For the most part we used hand held electronic devices where we entered
    the information and it was printed out.
    Sometimes we would use paper tickets, but the office staff really
    disliked those since everything on them had to be manually imputed into the computer, whereas the handhelds were just downloaded.
    There were times I would be asked what something was I wrote and I would
    have to think a second.
    With paper tickets we had put in the time, date, location, vehicle information (make, style, etc) along the license/permit number, etc each time. The electronic tickets kept the same location until changed. The date/time changed automatically.
    It took me on average about 25 seconds to write a handheld ticket. A
    paper ticket I could knock out in about 12-15 seconds from starting to putting the ticket on the window.
    I would have a lot of a paper ticket done in advance, such as location,
    the first two digits of the 24 hour time, etc, if it were a busy lot and knew
    a lot of violators there (such as meters). I would have a dozen or more tickets partly made up when I star
    If a mistake were made, and not caught before the ticket was printed, it would be marked as an "OE" (officer error) and the error circled and the
    office would delete those. Usually errors were caught before printed. But with a paper ticket that had to sti
    I made a few mistakes but not many. Usually those were when I moved from
    one lot to another and didn't change it, or find out after it printed (or
    was started) the car was actually ok.
    And the tickets never really went away.
    They would stay on the computer for years and years. Once the paper
    tickets were entered they were boxed and put in storage and forgotten about.
    After the third ticket the violator was put on financial hold and
    couldn't do anything that involved money (get their diploma*, register for class,
    get a transcript, check a book out the library, etc).
    One day a returning student complained she was on hold and didn't know
    why, she hadn't been a student in years and was returning to take a class.
    She was told she had unpaid tickets from 15 years before. Yes, she had to
    pay them.
    Once in a while someone would fall between the cracks and get away. But
    if they needed any of the above, they were often finally caught.
    Joe

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Jul 22 06:57:36 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    I was also made a co-signer on on church cheques (payroll, bills,
    etc) and after about the fifth cheque in the pile my sig is really odd
    looking. :)

    Guess your hand gets tired quickly.... ;) You must need more practice
    with it... :)

    When I had to go to the bank to sign a lot of paper work for the
    signature card they all looked a bit different. After about the fourth time I signed something I remarked my signature was getting worse and told not to worry
    about it. I guess they have sev
    Joe

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Jul 25 21:24:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Daryl Stout on 07-17-19 07:21 <=-

    Some days, I look I'm drunk as a coot with my signature. Most men's penmanship (including mine) is atrocious...but most women's is
    "immaculate" by comparison.

    Ain't it the truth!
    I can always (well, almost always) tell if a man or a woman wrote something just by looking at it.
    Women, as a rule, are always neat and tidy whereas a guy's often
    looks like so many wiggly words.

    It really does depend on the person... I've seen many a woman's
    handwriting that was atrocious, and a number of men's that was quite
    clear.... ;) Mine is neat and clear, often fairly small as well...
    Richard's is also extremely neat and clear, but less small... to me it
    does still look "masculine" although not at all messy.... We were able
    once to foil a company that tried to switch our phone service out from
    under us to theirs instead of the one we were with, simply by sending
    the regulators a copy of Richard's real signature, totally different
    from the messy scrawl that they claimed was his signature authorizing
    the switch.... ;)

    My handwriting is atrocious. After something is cold (say reading
    notes about something later) I can't make out half of what I wrote.
    I'll read the line and think "what word would go there?" then make a guess. I love reading old documents where the writing is so fluid and perfect. Joe

    And then there are the old documents where one still has to make
    educated guesses as to what word was meant there.... ;) Old letters and
    wills, especially.... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Warning! I still have all my spells!

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Jul 26 18:40:00 2019
    Hello NANCY!

    ** 25.07.19 - 21:24, NANCY BACKUS wrote to JOE MACKEY:

    ... We were able
    once to foil a company that tried to switch our phone service out from
    under us to theirs instead of the one we were with, simply by sending
    the regulators a copy of Richard's real signature, totally different
    from the messy scrawl that they claimed was his signature authorizing
    the switch.... ;)

    It reminds me of an incident when one of those "alternative phone
    services" bilked me out of money. After my first bill arrived, I
    recognized that the service was not what I thought I agreed to. After a little back and forth via email, they sent me their recording of the phone call, on CD. But it was choppy and clearly EDITED in parts. I decided
    to just pay the initial monthly bill and cancel further business with
    them.

    These days all they need is a recording of your voice saying "YES", and
    they can technically splice it into any way they want.


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Jul 26 21:23:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 07-22-19 06:57 <=-

    I was also made a co-signer on on church cheques (payroll, bills,
    etc) and after about the fifth cheque in the pile my sig is really
    odd looking. :)
    Guess your hand gets tired quickly.... ;) You must need more practice
    with it... :)

    When I had to go to the bank to sign a lot of paper work for the
    signature card they all looked a bit different. After about the
    fourth time I signed something I remarked my signature was getting
    worse and told not to worry about it. I guess they have sev

    You cut off again there.... gotta remember to make shorter paragraphs...

    Signatures rarely are identical from one to the next... but they all
    share some characteristics when from the same person... That could be
    part of why they take multiple signatures when starting an account,
    gives an idea of what the variations might be... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Heisenberg was here... or, at least, somewhere near here!

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Jul 27 06:54:40 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    etc) and after about the fifth cheque in the pile my sig is really
    odd looking. :)
    Guess your hand gets tired quickly.... ;) You must need more practice
    with it... :)

    Reminds me of when I was in grade school and being taught penmanship.
    Which I think I flunked. :)
    Making loops over and over and over.
    I used to use a fountain pen all the time, which meant I wrote slower.
    Now its ball points and I write faster, but the faster I write the worse it becomes. Same with a pencil.
    Wonder if they still teach penmanship in school? I doubt it.
    I read were some schools no longer even teach cursive due to pc's,
    texting, etc.
    I have used "text spelling" most of my life, shortening words when taking/making notes, dropping vowels, etc.

    fourth time I signed something I remarked my signature was getting
    worse and told not to worry about it. I guess they have sev

    You cut off again there.... gotta remember to make shorter paragraphs...

    Nothing important. :)
    I am easily bored by repetition, be it speaking or writing or signing my name.

    Signatures rarely are identical from one to the next... but they all
    share some characteristics when from the same person... That could be
    part of why they take multiple signatures when starting an account,
    gives an idea of what the variations might be... ;)

    That was pretty much what I was saying. :)
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Wed Jul 31 21:09:00 2019
    Quoting August Abolins to Nancy Backus on 07-26-19 18:40 <=-

    We were able once to foil a company that tried to switch our phone
    service out from under us to theirs instead of the one we were with,
    simply by sending the regulators a copy of Richard's real signature,
    totally different from the messy scrawl that they claimed was his
    signature authorizing the switch.... ;)

    It reminds me of an incident when one of those "alternative phone services" bilked me out of money. After my first bill arrived, I recognized that the service was not what I thought I agreed to. After
    a little back and forth via email, they sent me their recording of
    the phone call, on CD. But it was choppy and clearly EDITED in
    parts. I decided to just pay the initial monthly bill and cancel
    further business with them.

    Probably the simplest way of dealing with it.... obviously not a
    business you'd feel comfortable continuing to do business with....

    These days all they need is a recording of your voice saying "YES",
    and they can technically splice it into any way they want.

    Which is why I studiously avoid saying 'yes' at any point in a suspect
    call.... including the part at the beginning where they ask, can you
    hear me...? :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Progress is good, but it has gone on far too long.

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Aug 1 20:24:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 07-27-19 06:54 <=-

    etc) and after about the fifth cheque in the pile my sig is
    really odd looking. :)
    Guess your hand gets tired quickly.... ;) You must need more
    practice with it... :)
    Reminds me of when I was in grade school and being taught
    penmanship. Which I think I flunked. :)
    Making loops over and over and over.

    I've seen those exercises... never was all that impressed with them... I
    do remember having to learn to copy cursive words to get the feel of it,
    but it wasn't all that tedious...

    I used to use a fountain pen all the time, which meant I wrote
    slower. Now its ball points and I write faster, but the faster I
    write the worse it becomes. Same with a pencil.

    Makes sense... fast writing does tend to get sloppy.... ;)

    Wonder if they still teach penmanship in school? I doubt it.
    I read were some schools no longer even teach cursive due to pc's, texting, etc.

    It depends on the school... but it certainly isn't very common any
    more...

    I have used "text spelling" most of my life, shortening words when taking/making notes, dropping vowels, etc.

    Abbreviating when taking notes, or writing in a small space, does make
    sense, as long as one remembers what one means by the shortened form...
    I have some that are fairly standard for me... :)

    fourth time I signed something I remarked my signature was getting worse and told not to worry about it. I guess they have sev
    You cut off again there.... gotta remember to make shorter paragraphs...

    Nothing important. :)
    I am easily bored by repetition, be it speaking or writing or
    signing my name.

    No wonder the penmanship exercises were so frustrating to you, then...
    some things do need some repetition to stick... ;)

    Signatures rarely are identical from one to the next... but they all
    share some characteristics when from the same person... That could be
    part of why they take multiple signatures when starting an account,
    gives an idea of what the variations might be... ;)

    That was pretty much what I was saying. :)

    Ok, then... same wavelength... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Aug 2 06:27:02 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    Wonder if they still teach penmanship in school? I doubt it.
    I read were some schools no longer even teach cursive due to pc's, texting, etc.

    It depends on the school... but it certainly isn't very common any
    more...

    I saw a story on line (so it HAS to be true) that some schools are
    thinking of teaching cursive again.
    I can only imagine if it weren't people would see something in cursive
    and wonder what it means. Much like some people reading old or middle English and now knowing what it says.

    I am easily bored by repetition, be it speaking or writing or
    signing my name.

    No wonder the penmanship exercises were so frustrating to you, then...
    some things do need some repetition to stick... ;)

    One reason I never became rich and famous as an actor. :)
    When I did a lot of traffic control I said the thing over and over, to different people.
    I used to joke I was just going to record the directions and replay the
    one for that instance. :)
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Aug 2 21:39:00 2019
    Nancy,

    Abbreviating when taking notes, or writing in a small space, does make NB>sense, as long as one remembers what one means by the shortened form...
    I have some that are fairly standard for me... :)

    I usually do like the meteorologists/forecasters do...write without
    the vowels. With weather terms, I can go even shorter. :)

    No wonder the penmanship exercises were so frustrating to you, then... NB>some things do need some repetition to stick... ;)

    I nearly flunked handwriting in first grade.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Aug 3 20:38:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 08-02-19 06:27 <=-

    Wonder if they still teach penmanship in school? I doubt it.
    I read were some schools no longer even teach cursive due to pc's, texting, etc.
    It depends on the school... but it certainly isn't very common any
    more...

    I saw a story on line (so it HAS to be true) that some schools are thinking of teaching cursive again.
    I can only imagine if it weren't people would see something in
    cursive and wonder what it means. Much like some people reading old or middle English and now knowing what it says.

    And there are some people that do know what it means (guessing you meant
    'not', not 'now'), having had courses in it... ;)

    I am easily bored by repetition, be it speaking or writing or
    signing my name.
    No wonder the penmanship exercises were so frustrating to you, then...
    some things do need some repetition to stick... ;)

    One reason I never became rich and famous as an actor. :)

    Had you a photographic memory, the repetition wouldn't have been
    necessary at all, either... ;)

    When I did a lot of traffic control I said the thing over and over,
    to different people.
    I used to joke I was just going to record the directions and replay
    the one for that instance. :)

    I'm sure that it was a great temptation... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Got a seat-belt on my computer chair... no more ROTFL!!

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Aug 7 20:20:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 08-02-19 21:44 <=-

    Abbreviating when taking notes, or writing in a small space, does
    make sense, as long as one remembers what one means by the shortened
    form... I have some that are fairly standard for me... :)

    I usually do like the meteorologists/forecasters do...write without
    the vowels. With weather terms, I can go even shorter. :)

    And then there's WX for weather.... ;)

    No wonder the penmanship exercises were so frustrating to you,
    then... some things do need some repetition to stick... ;)

    I nearly flunked handwriting in first grade.

    Hopefully you learned some since then... ;) Somewhere around then, I
    started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Aug 8 06:41:02 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    I started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    My brother (from my father's first marriage, who was killed in the South Pacific during the war) taught himself to write with either hand. The
    family legend is because he said if he broke one arm he could still write the other.
    Joe


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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Aug 8 16:06:00 2019
    08-07-19 20:20 NANCY BACKUS wrote to DARYL STOUT about Re: Sigs
    Howdy! Nancy,

    @MSGID: <5D4BBAC9.22205.memoryln@capitolcityonline.net>
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 08-02-19 21:44 <=-
    -snip-

    Hopefully you learned some since then... ;) Somewhere around then, I started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    A Lady I know told us when She was in Grade School the Teacher wanted Her
    to use Her Right Hand to write with.

    The young girl was Left Handed and whenever the Teacher saw Her writing
    with the Left Hand the Teacher would hit the hand with a ruler.

    This Lady can write with either hand, and She can use both hands at the same time to write.

    After Church one night, as a Bob Evan's Waitress was taking our orders,
    this Lady asked the Waitress's Name - and then started writing the Waitress's Name on a piece of paper, and gave it to the Waitress.

    I got my Camera out and made a Video as the Name was being written.

    I hope the video isn't too big to include in a Email, if I can, I will Send
    an Email to Joe (and Others In Memories that I have an Email Address for)
    so one of them could Forward it to You, so You can see the Lady writing
    with both of Her Hands too.

    AHHHHH... ANOTHER ROUNDTUIT...................

    -LATER-

    I originlly started this message around 9:30 AM, now it is 3:50 PM .
    (I had some other thing to do before getting back to writing this Reply)

    I tried sending an Email with the File to Joe and Daryl but the Email Server said the Email was too large for it to accept.

    So I cancelled the Attachment and wrote Joe and Daryl a Email WITHOUT the Attachment.

    One (or Both) of them either could Forward that Email to You so You could
    let Me know how to get a CD with the video on it to You.

    OR

    Joe could send Your Mailing Address to Me.
    I know HE KNOWS it.


    73 de Ed W9ODR . .



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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Aug 8 13:06:00 2019
    Nancy,

    And then there's WX for weather.... ;)

    Correct...and it was in 3 of my 4 ham radio callsigns. I was
    originally N5VLZ in 1991...then changed to AE5WX in 2009, then to WX1DER
    in 2012, then to WX4QZ on my 59th birthday this year. The license comes
    up for renewal when I turn 69, and we'll save any snide remarks for
    netmail. <G>

    However, while weather got me into ham radio, it nearly burned me out
    of the hobby over the last year. You wouldn't believe how IGNORANT some
    folks are. They have no concept of compass points (i.e. where the storm
    is, relative to their location, and its direction of movement), or they
    want EXACT SPECIFICS on what will occur, weather wise, BEFORE it even develops!! I told this one woman (must've been a blonde :P ) that "you
    might as well as the moment of your death", and she replied "Now, you're getting nasty about it". The bottom line is WE CAN'T KNOW CERTAIN
    THINGS.

    Then, you get these idiots who don't know what "reportable criteria"
    is, concerning severe weather (tornado, funnel cloud, wall cloud, hail
    greater than 1 inch in diameter, winds 58 mph or more, flash flooding).
    They won't check into a "Skywarn Training Net" or attend the free
    training class...but they come out of the woodwork when "the real thing" occurs.

    Hopefully you learned some since then... ;) Somewhere around then, I NB>started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    Left handed people are the only people in their right minds. <G> I was
    also constantly being chided for "holding the pencil wrong". Shoot, if
    it writes, who cares how I hold it??!!

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Aug 9 16:20:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 08-08-19 06:41 <=-

    I started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    My brother (from my father's first marriage, who was killed in the
    South Pacific during the war) taught himself to write with either hand. The family legend is because he said if he broke one arm he could
    still write the other.

    My father was a lefty, but could write with either hand... Once when he
    was teaching, he got his left arm caught in a frieght lift while
    transporting lab equipment... sprained things badly... The students
    were thinking that they'd get a break from his lectures, but there he
    was the next day, busily (and legibly) writing on the chalkboard, using
    his right hand... It was shortly after that incident that I decided
    being able to use either hand was a very GOOD thing... <G> I don't
    practice it often enough, but I still have a passible signature with my
    left hand... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... He is not stupid; he suffers from Minimal Cranial Development.

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to ED VANCE on Fri Aug 9 16:29:00 2019
    Quoting Ed Vance to Nancy Backus on 08-08-19 16:10 <=-

    Hopefully you learned some since then... ;) Somewhere around then, I
    started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    A Lady I know told us when She was in Grade School the Teacher wanted
    Her to use Her Right Hand to write with.
    The young girl was Left Handed and whenever the Teacher saw Her
    writing with the Left Hand the Teacher would hit the hand with a ruler.

    I don't think that that happened to my father (see previous message),
    but he did learn to write with either hand...

    This Lady can write with either hand, and She can use both hands at
    the same time to write.
    After Church one night, as a Bob Evan's Waitress was taking our
    orders, this Lady asked the Waitress's Name - and then started writing
    the Waitress's Name on a piece of paper, and gave it to the Waitress.

    That is a fun trick... ;) My brother (also a lefty) has done similar at times.... I'm ambidextrous, but he calls himself ambisinstrous, able to
    use the right hand as well as the left, which is his dominant hand.. :)

    I got my Camera out and made a Video as the Name was being written.
    I hope the video isn't too big to include in a Email, if I can, I will Send an Email to Joe (and Others In Memories that I have an Email
    Address for) so one of them could Forward it to You, so You can see the Lady writing with both of Her Hands too.
    AHHHHH... ANOTHER ROUNDTUIT...................
    -LATER-
    I originlly started this message around 9:30 AM, now it is 3:50 PM .
    (I had some other thing to do before getting back to writing this
    Reply)
    I tried sending an Email with the File to Joe and Daryl but the Email Server said the Email was too large for it to accept.

    I guess your camera makes HUGE videos... like Joe's phone makes HUGE
    photos... ;)

    So I cancelled the Attachment and wrote Joe and Daryl a Email WITHOUT
    the Attachment.
    One (or Both) of them either could Forward that Email to You so You
    could let Me know how to get a CD with the video on it to You.

    or you could email me at backus at bluefrog dot com...

    OR
    Joe could send Your Mailing Address to Me.
    I know HE KNOWS it.

    I don't think he does, actually.... Jim does, but he's local to me...
    and doesn't show up here any more at all....

    ttyl neb

    PS In Cooking, there's a discussion of who's the oldest posters
    currently there, now that Burt doesn't show up any more there.... I'm
    sure that you are older than I, but I don't know by how much... :)

    neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Aug 10 05:20:46 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    was the next day, busily (and legibly) writing on the chalkboard, using
    his right hand...

    My handwriting often looks like I used the wrong hand. :)
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sun Aug 11 20:19:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 08-08-19 13:11 <=-

    And then there's WX for weather.... ;)

    Correct...and it was in 3 of my 4 ham radio callsigns. I was
    originally N5VLZ in 1991...then changed to AE5WX in 2009, then to
    WX1DER in 2012, then to WX4QZ on my 59th birthday this year.

    Yes I knew about those... :)

    The license comes up for renewal when I turn 69, and we'll save any
    snide remarks for netmail. <G>

    What snide remarks...? You are but a youngster... <G> Will you keep
    the new call sign at that point...?

    However, while weather got me into ham radio, it nearly burned me
    out of the hobby over the last year. You wouldn't believe how IGNORANT some folks are. They have no concept of compass points (i.e. where the storm is, relative to their location, and its direction of movement),
    or they want EXACT SPECIFICS on what will occur, weather wise, BEFORE
    it even develops!! I told this one woman (must've been a blonde :P )
    that "you might as well as the moment of your death", and she replied "Now, you're getting nasty about it". The bottom line is WE CAN'T KNOW CERTAIN THINGS.

    There is, after all, a reason it's called a forecast, not a promise or a schedule.... it's an educated guess as to how things will fall into
    place....

    Then, you get these idiots who don't know what "reportable criteria"
    is, concerning severe weather (tornado, funnel cloud, wall cloud, hail greater than 1 inch in diameter, winds 58 mph or more, flash
    flooding). They won't check into a "Skywarn Training Net" or attend the free training class...but they come out of the woodwork when "the real thing" occurs.

    Yeah, I know.... there's idiots everywhere....

    Hopefully you learned some since then... ;) Somewhere around then, I
    started working at being able to write with either hand... ;)

    Left handed people are the only people in their right minds. <G>

    While I'm somewhat right-handed, I can do many things left-handed,
    including using left-handed scissors to cut with... so, truly
    ambidextrous... ;) My dad was a lefty, a couple of sisters are
    lefties, and a brother is a lefty who considers himself ambisinstrous as
    he can do many things almost as well with his right hand... :)

    I was also constantly being chided for "holding the pencil wrong".
    Shoot, if it writes, who cares how I hold it??!!

    The sticklers... But I agree, it shouldn't really matter as long as you
    are able to write with it... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Aug 11 20:35:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 08-10-19 05:20 <=-

    was the next day, busily (and legibly) writing on the chalkboard, using
    his right hand...

    My handwriting often looks like I used the wrong hand. :)

    So switch to the other....??? ;)

    Daddy, being a lefty, his right was supposedly the wrong hand.... which
    is why his students were so surprised... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Aug 11 10:45:00 2019
    Joe,

    was the next day, busily (and legibly) writing on the chalkboard, using JM>> his right hand...

    My handwriting often looks like I used the wrong hand. :)

    Or in my case, like I'm stone drunk (which I've never been).

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Aug 13 15:06:00 2019
    Nancy.

    Correct...and it was in 3 of my 4 ham radio callsigns. I was
    originally N5VLZ in 1991...then changed to AE5WX in 2009, then to WX1DER in 2012, then to WX4QZ on my 59th birthday this year.

    Yes I knew about those... :)

    You're a smart woman. :)

    What snide remarks...? You are but a youngster... <G> Will you keep NB>the new call sign at that point...?

    Oh, definitely. The snide remark was for "69"...which can be construed
    as a sexually oriented term.

    There is, after all, a reason it's called a forecast, not a promise or a NB>schedule.... it's an educated guess as to how things will fall into NB>place....

    Yet, I could not convince this person of that.

    Yeah, I know.... there's idiots everywhere....

    The ever present ID-10-T error. <G>

    While I'm somewhat right-handed, I can do many things left-handed, NB>including using left-handed scissors to cut with... so, truly NB>ambidextrous... ;) My dad was a lefty, a couple of sisters are
    lefties, and a brother is a lefty who considers himself ambisinstrous as NB>he can do many things almost as well with his right hand... :)

    Then, you have the jokes about left handed scissors, hammers, etc. <G>

    The sticklers... But I agree, it shouldn't really matter as long as you NB>are able to write with it... ;)

    Isn't that what a writing utensil is for??

    But, the late George Carlin was right. If the #2 pencil is so popular,
    why is it still #2??

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Aug 14 07:41:24 2019
    Daryl wrote to Nancy --

    But, the late George Carlin was right. If the #2 pencil is so popular,
    why is it still #2??

    Reminds me of the old joke where a very rich person goes to the doctor
    for some procedure and the doctor says he would use a local anesthetic. The person replies they can afford it, use the imported one.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Aug 15 15:13:00 2019
    Joe,

    But, the late George Carlin was right. If the #2 pencil is so popular, JM>> why is it still #2??

    Reminds me of the old joke where a very rich person goes to the doctor
    for some procedure and the doctor says he would use a local anesthetic. The
    person replies they can afford it, use the imported one.

    ROFL!! I needed that one today. :D

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Aug 21 16:01:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 08-13-19 15:11 <=-

    Correct...and it was in 3 of my 4 ham radio callsigns. I was
    originally N5VLZ in 1991...then changed to AE5WX in 2009, then to
    WX1DER in 2012, then to WX4QZ on my 59th birthday this year.
    Yes I knew about those... :)
    You're a smart woman. :)
    What snide remarks...? You are but a youngster... <G> Will you keep
    the new call sign at that point...?

    Oh, definitely. The snide remark was for "69"...which can be
    construed as a sexually oriented term.

    Ah.... that.... <G>

    While I'm somewhat right-handed, I can do many things left-handed,
    including using left-handed scissors to cut with... so, truly
    ambidextrous... ;) My dad was a lefty, a couple of sisters are
    lefties, and a brother is a lefty who considers himself ambisinstrous as
    he can do many things almost as well with his right hand... :)

    Then, you have the jokes about left handed scissors, hammers, etc. <G>

    Left-handed hammers aren't really any different.... but the scissors
    definitely are a different tool.... Just like the regular scissors
    won't cut if you try to use them in your left hand, the lefty ones don't
    work if you try to use them in your right hand.... I've used both of
    them.... ;)

    The sticklers... But I agree, it shouldn't really matter as long as you
    are able to write with it... ;)

    Isn't that what a writing utensil is for??

    That's the theory, anyway.... <G>

    But, the late George Carlin was right. If the #2 pencil is so
    popular, why is it still #2??

    Because the #1 is too hard, and doesn't write well.. ;) Has nothing at
    all to do with superiority.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Aug 22 17:02:00 2019
    Nancy,

    Oh, definitely. The snide remark was for "69"...which can be
    construed as a sexually oriented term.

    Ah.... that.... <G>

    That was like on an episode on The Food Network with "Emeril LaGasse
    LIVE". Southern Cook Paula Deen (before she got into trouble with
    supposed racial remarks), was doing a southern breakfast. We're talking biscuits, gravy, eggs, bacon, sausage, ham, pork chops, hash browns,
    tomatoes, etc., and washed down with a big glass of orange juice (3
    minute pause for drooling <G>).

    Well, she was preparing these boneless pork chops (the local Cracker
    Barrel used to serve them on Monday nights), and she had this wooden
    deal, that looked like a rolling pin, and she said "I use this to beat
    my meat with". :P

    Now, that's a euphemism for masturbation...the audience was roaring in laughter (as were my late wife and myself), and Emeril got this
    horrified look on his face, and he exclaimed "DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!" I
    thought the black guy on the drums in the band, was going to spit his
    teeth out of his mouth. <BG>

    Left-handed hammers aren't really any different.... but the scissors NB>definitely are a different tool.... Just like the regular scissors
    won't cut if you try to use them in your left hand, the lefty ones don't NB>work if you try to use them in your right hand.... I've used both of NB>them.... ;)

    I've always been right handed.

    Isn't that what a writing utensil is for??

    That's the theory, anyway.... <G>

    Details, details. <G>

    But, the late George Carlin was right. If the #2 pencil is so
    popular, why is it still #2??

    Because the #1 is too hard, and doesn't write well.. ;) Has nothing at NB>all to do with superiority.... ;)

    That's what I thought...isn't the #3 lighter in lead, so to speak??

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Aug 26 20:57:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 08-22-19 17:07 <=-

    Oh, definitely. The snide remark was for "69"...which can be
    construed as a sexually oriented term.
    Ah.... that.... <G>

    That was like on an episode on The Food Network with "Emeril LaGasse LIVE". Southern Cook Paula Deen (before she got into trouble with
    supposed racial remarks), was doing a southern breakfast. We're
    talking biscuits, gravy, eggs, bacon, sausage, ham, pork chops, hash browns, tomatoes, etc., and washed down with a big glass of orange
    juice (3 minute pause for drooling <G>).

    1 or 2 minutes would have been sufficient... <G> Hey, I don't see any toast... was that supposed to be included, too....? ;)

    Well, she was preparing these boneless pork chops (the local Cracker Barrel used to serve them on Monday nights), and she had this wooden
    deal, that looked like a rolling pin, and she said "I use this to beat
    my meat with". :P
    Now, that's a euphemism for masturbation...the audience was roaring
    in laughter (as were my late wife and myself), and Emeril got this horrified look on his face, and he exclaimed "DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!" I thought the black guy on the drums in the band, was going to spit his teeth out of his mouth. <BG>

    Yeah, I know that euphemism also... ;) I suppose she could have used a different expression for what she was trying to express... :)

    Left-handed hammers aren't really any different.... but the scissors
    definitely are a different tool.... Just like the regular scissors
    won't cut if you try to use them in your left hand, the lefty ones don't
    work if you try to use them in your right hand.... I've used both of
    them.... ;)

    I've always been right handed.

    I'm ambidextrous.... and I have siblings that are lefties, so there's
    been opportunity... you probably wouldn't be able to use their scissors
    any more than they could use regular scissors... :)

    But, the late George Carlin was right. If the #2 pencil is so
    popular, why is it still #2??
    Because the #1 is too hard, and doesn't write well.. ;) Has nothing
    at all to do with superiority.... ;)

    That's what I thought...isn't the #3 lighter in lead, so to speak??

    They all use graphite now.... and the #3 is softer than the #2 or the
    #1.... more likely to smudge, too....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Aug 29 16:36:00 2019
    Nancy,

    That was like on an episode on The Food Network with "Emeril LaGasse LIVE". Southern Cook Paula Deen (before she got into trouble with supposed racial remarks), was doing a southern breakfast. We're
    talking biscuits, gravy, eggs, bacon, sausage, ham, pork chops, hash browns, tomatoes, etc., and washed down with a big glass of orange juice (3 minute pause for drooling <G>).

    1 or 2 minutes would have been sufficient... <G> Hey, I don't see any NB>toast... was that supposed to be included, too....? ;)

    OK, so I forgot one item...details, details. <G>

    Yeah, I know that euphemism also... ;) I suppose she could have used a NB>different expression for what she was trying to express... :)

    Well, it all depends on where one's mind is. <G> Sad to say, it's
    usually in the gutter, and we're not talking about bowling. In that
    regard, the tagline below qualifies. :P

    They all use graphite now.... and the #3 is softer than the #2 or the NB>#1.... more likely to smudge, too....

    Ugh. I had plenty of that with a newspaper route, getting all that ink
    on my hands as I folded the papers into the "rain bags". Then, when I
    was working in silkscreen printing for nearly 20 years, I thought I'd
    never have clean hands or fingernails again. :P

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Fri Aug 30 08:42:06 2019
    Daryl wrote to Nancy --

    Ugh. I had plenty of that with a newspaper route, getting all that ink on
    my hands as I folded the papers into the "rain bags".

    You had rain bags? Back in my day Sonny, we had none of that. we had to
    put the paper somewhere on the porch where it wouldn't get wet.
    My second job in life (the first was mowing yards and when fall came so
    did my second job) of passing the morning paper.
    When my mother and I moved to Colorado Springs, Co in 1964, I wised up
    and got an afternoon route. No more getting at 4 a.m.
    When I was back there a few months ago I retraced my route and most of
    the old placers still there.
    One house I remembered very, very well.
    I was walking along tossing the papers onto porches and at this one house
    I misjudged my distance.
    It was a warm afternoon and instead of hitting the porch it sailed
    through the open living room window! I could never do that again in a million tries.
    I always wonder what they thought, finding the paper inside rather than
    on the porch. (And no, I never mentioned it to them).
    There was an old woman (How old was she? She was so old she must of been close to 50) on my route.
    One day I was home, either sick of some day off, watching Art Linkletter. She had told me she was going to LA and there she was in the audience.
    She answered some question and won a tv set.
    When she got back to town I asked about it and she said she told him
    later she had a new tv and was able to exchange it for a sewing machine.
    Oh, she rented the second floor to a English teacher I had in school.
    She was fresh out of teachers school and very attractive. All the boys loved that class, though none were paying much attention to what she said.
    I was collecting late one day and she was apparently expecting someone
    else since she she opened the door she was in some flimsy gown and being back lit one could see threw it.
    From then on I saw her in a completely different light. :)
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sat Aug 31 16:08:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 08-29-19 16:41 <=-

    That was like on an episode on The Food Network with "Emeril LaGasse
    LIVE". Southern Cook Paula Deen (before she got into trouble with
    supposed racial remarks), was doing a southern breakfast. We're
    talking biscuits, gravy, eggs, bacon, sausage, ham, pork chops, hash
    browns, tomatoes, etc., and washed down with a big glass of orange
    juice (3 minute pause for drooling <G>).
    1 or 2 minutes would have been sufficient... <G> Hey, I don't see
    any toast... was that supposed to be included, too....? ;)

    OK, so I forgot one item...details, details. <G>

    I guess it was in the etc.... ;)

    Yeah, I know that euphemism also... ;) I suppose she could have used
    a different expression for what she was trying to express... :)

    Well, it all depends on where one's mind is. <G> Sad to say, it's
    usually in the gutter, and we're not talking about bowling. In that regard, the tagline below qualifies. :P

    And here I thought this was supposed to be a clean echo.... ;)

    They all use graphite now.... and the #3 is softer than the #2 or the
    #1.... more likely to smudge, too....

    Ugh. I had plenty of that with a newspaper route, getting all that
    ink on my hands as I folded the papers into the "rain bags". Then, when
    I was working in silkscreen printing for nearly 20 years, I thought I'd never have clean hands or fingernails again. :P

    I think the #3 pencils are used in artwork, since they do smudge so
    nicely... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Aug 31 11:52:00 2019
    Joe,

    You had rain bags? Back in my day Sonny, we had none of that. we had to
    put the paper somewhere on the porch where it wouldn't get wet.

    I got where I could pitch it onto the porch from the bicycle, or I'd
    stop the bike, and toss it, or manually put it up there. Now, if there
    was a dog in the yard, all bets were off.

    When my mother and I moved to Colorado Springs, Co in 1964, I wised up
    and got an afternoon route. No more getting at 4 a.m.

    The Miami News was an afternoon paper. I usually did the route after I
    got home from school.

    I was walking along tossing the papers onto porches and at this one house
    I misjudged my distance.
    It was a warm afternoon and instead of hitting the porch it sailed
    through the open living room window! I could never do that again in a milli
    tries.

    And, it was unrehearsed!!

    I always wonder what they thought, finding the paper inside rather than
    on the porch. (And no, I never mentioned it to them).

    I gather they never brought it up, either.

    When she got back to town I asked about it and she said she told him
    later she had a new tv and was able to exchange it for a sewing machine.

    Enterprising woman.

    Oh, she rented the second floor to a English teacher I had in school.
    She was fresh out of teachers school and very attractive. All the boys
    loved that class, though none were paying much attention to what she said.

    They were studying other things. <G>

    I was collecting late one day and she was apparently expecting someone
    else since she she opened the door she was in some flimsy gown and being bac
    lit one could see threw it.
    From then on I saw her in a completely different light. :)

    I would say so. <G>

    Reminds me of the scene in "Silver Streak" where Richard Pryor saw
    Gene Wilder's girlfriend, Jill Clayburgh, and said "Have Mercy!!". <G>

    Sadly, all of them are dead and gone now.

    Daryl

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Sep 1 12:00:12 2019

    On 2019 Aug 30 08:42:06, you wrote to DARYL STOUT:

    Ugh. I had plenty of that with a newspaper route, getting all that
    ink on my hands as I folded the papers into the "rain bags".

    You had rain bags? Back in my day Sonny, we had none of that. we had
    to put the paper somewhere on the porch where it wouldn't get wet.

    my last route was an in-town route 12 miles long with 500 subscribers... i got very good at throwing the papers out the right hand window from the left hand driver's side... could throw multiple papers at once with my right hand when needed to land in each of those properties... four was the max, though, since there's only four gaps between each of your fingers and thumb...

    i had one subscriber that always left their front door open... i was able to consistently put the paper through the door from my moving (30+ mph) vehicle and land it on the couch... one day i was in a bit of a rush from running late and was going a little faster and threw that paper a little harder... as always the paper went right through the door as intended... it also flew a little further to the other end of the couch and hit the subscriber's elderly mother right in the side of her head...

    luckily it was with the outside edge of the rolled paper instead of the folded part... it didn't hurt her but they/she found another place to sit to watch TV... of course i stopped and went back to check on her... we were all apologizing to each other... i gave them a month's subscription for free but they still insisted on giving me some $$$ for the service...

    that was like 30 years ago... haven't thrown papers since...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Sep 2 12:58:00 2019
    Nancy,

    OK, so I forgot one item...details, details. <G>

    I guess it was in the etc.... ;)

    Looks that way.

    Well, it all depends on where one's mind is. <G> Sad to say, it's usually in the gutter, and we're not talking about bowling. In that regard, the tagline below qualifies. :P

    And here I thought this was supposed to be a clean echo.... ;)

    Again, it depends on where your mind is. ;) As for the bowling ball
    deal, it is true that the American Bowling Congress (ABC) and the
    American Junior Bowling Congress (AJBC) limits the weight on bowling
    balls to between 10 and 16 pounds. I used to have my own bowling ball,
    but the only bowling I do now is on the BBS with the doors.

    I think the #3 pencils are used in artwork, since they do smudge so NB>nicely... ;)

    Art was never my forte' -- just like electronics. I can tell you how
    to tell the colors on a resistor, thanks to Violet <G>, that as little
    as an amp of electricity can kill, red is positive and black is negative
    on the battery, and the battery on a schematic diagram. I had to learn a
    bunch of electronic theory when I took my ham radio exam. The one I
    remember is Ohm's Law -- E over I times R -- it's not just a good
    idea...it's the law. <G>

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sun Sep 8 22:04:00 2019
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 09-02-19 13:03 <=-

    Replying from the Pond on 8 Sept, about 10:05pm...

    OK, so I forgot one item...details, details. <G>
    I guess it was in the etc.... ;)

    Looks that way.

    OK.. :)

    Well, it all depends on where one's mind is. <G> Sad to say, it's
    usually in the gutter, and we're not talking about bowling. In that
    regard, the tagline below qualifies. :P
    And here I thought this was supposed to be a clean echo.... ;)

    Again, it depends on where your mind is. ;)

    Oh, I can pick up on innuendos as well as anyone... but I do try to keep
    my mind out of the gutter all the same... <G>

    As for the bowling ball
    deal, it is true that the American Bowling Congress (ABC) and the
    American Junior Bowling Congress (AJBC) limits the weight on bowling
    balls to between 10 and 16 pounds. I used to have my own bowling ball,
    but the only bowling I do now is on the BBS with the doors.

    I never did have my own bowling ball, but would use the ones available
    at the alley when I did go bowling... :)

    I think the #3 pencils are used in artwork, since they do smudge
    so nicely... ;)

    Art was never my forte'

    I had a few required art classes in high school... didn't learn all that
    much, but at least a few facts.... also had friends in college that were
    art students... :)

    -- just like electronics. I can tell you how
    to tell the colors on a resistor, thanks to Violet <G>, that as little
    as an amp of electricity can kill, red is positive and black is
    negative on the battery, and the battery on a schematic diagram. I had
    to learn a bunch of electronic theory when I took my ham radio exam.
    The one I remember is Ohm's Law -- E over I times R -- it's not just a good idea...it's the law. <G>

    A bit of useful bits of information there... <G> I picked up a little
    from hanging around Richard in college (and afterwards), but mostly
    haven't had to retain it... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... I'm an amateur crastinator; some day I'll turn pro..

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