• Re: Wakes

    From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Aug 23 06:11:38 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    There is now no idea who is buried where there. :(

    Too bad there hadn't been a census taken of the graveyard previously,
    and kept at some local history library.... at least the knowledge would
    have been preserved to some extent...

    It was just an oral history. SFIK. If anything were recorded its been
    lost with the family dying off/ moving, papers tossed, etc.

    The funeral home, probably.... but the local family and town cemetaries
    were happening long before that... I've seen stones with dates in the
    1600s and 1700s.... If you are talking about the large city cemeteries,
    then that could be true, though....

    At one time most burials were around the village church. But over time
    that property became full.
    I have read how over years old graves were opened, the skeletons removed
    and new occupant placed there. Over time where the bones were moved to is forgotten.
    The ones who usually stayed in place were notable people, not the common ordinary riff raff.
    Large city cemetery's, like today, are mostly from the Victorian era when
    the dead were better respected and the modern funeral home, etc began.

    And may also have followed from the vigils, sitting with the person as
    the life ebbed away...

    Very true.
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Aug 26 20:44:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 08-23-19 06:11 <=-

    There is now no idea who is buried where there. :(
    Too bad there hadn't been a census taken of the graveyard previously,
    and kept at some local history library.... at least the knowledge would
    have been preserved to some extent...

    It was just an oral history. SFIK. If anything were recorded its
    been lost with the family dying off/ moving, papers tossed, etc.

    Sigh. As a genealogist of sorts, I feel the pain of that loss...

    The funeral home, probably.... but the local family and town cemetaries
    were happening long before that... I've seen stones with dates in the
    1600s and 1700s.... If you are talking about the large city cemeteries,
    then that could be true, though....

    At one time most burials were around the village church. But over
    time that property became full.
    I have read how over years old graves were opened, the skeletons
    removed and new occupant placed there. Over time where the bones were moved to is forgotten.
    The ones who usually stayed in place were notable people, not the
    common ordinary riff raff.

    That was more common in England and Europe, where land was much more at
    a premium.... And often the notable people were buried inside the church
    or cathedral... :)

    Large city cemetery's, like today, are mostly from the Victorian era
    when the dead were better respected and the modern funeral home, etc began.

    True. We have a lovely example of a Victorian cemetery here in
    Rochester, Mt Hope Cemetary, which I think you drove by at least the
    corner of when you came to visit Jim and me at lunch... :)

    And may also have followed from the vigils, sitting with the person as
    the life ebbed away...

    Very true.

    I sat vigil with my mom her last night... we had her on hospice at home,
    so it was much more like the older times... When it was clear that she
    was slipping away finally, I called the family in, and we sang hymns to
    send her on her way.... my sister sat at her head, with a hand on her
    pulse, so we knew when she left... It was all peaceful and joyful...

    ttyl neb

    ... When there is room in the heart there is room in the house.

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Aug 27 04:25:28 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    I sat vigil with my mom her last nigh

    It was good the family was there and the passing was peaceful.
    And mot dying in some sterile hospital setting with the family outside a closed door...
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Aug 29 16:56:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 08-27-19 04:25 <=-

    I sat vigil with my mom her last night

    It was good the family was there and the passing was peaceful.
    And not dying in some sterile hospital setting with the family
    outside a closed door...

    My thoughts exactly.... and I'm pretty sure that the rest of my family
    feel the same way...

    Had she been in some sterile hospital, though, I'm pretty sure that the
    family would have made sure that they were inside that room, not outside
    a closed door....

    ttyl neb

    ... F2-Buckle My Shoe F4-Shut The Door

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