I can't find your final answer to this. It may have been in a netmail. I distinctly remember that we found out that I was just a few days earlier.


Michiel van der Vlist -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2013-11-30 01:46:
MvdV> Hello Bj”rn,

MvdV> On Friday November 29 2013 22:54, you wrote to you:

I've been fully IPv6 functional *outwards* for three years now.

How times fly. It's almost five years now. To be exact, since:

2009-02-11 05:34:22 UTC

MvdV> I tried to see since when my sixxs tunnel is alive, but the SixXs
MvdV> website is unavailable at the moment...




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I've been fully IPv6 functional *outwards* for three years now.

How times fly. It's almost five years now. To be exact, since:

2009-02-11 05:34:22 UTC

One would expect that I from the lines above (three years vs. five years) should be able to solve this important matter about who was the first to create an IPv6 tunnel, but I have to give up.

I *do* have every one of the 6655 messages, not counting this one, posted in this echo on my JamNNTPd server (see origin line), but I still couldn't find the answer.

I just hate it when I have to give up... 8-)



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Hi Bj”rn,

On 2019-03-26 17:50:56, you wrote to you:

I *do* have every one of the 6655 messages, not counting this one,
posted in this echo on my JamNNTPd server (see origin line), but I
still couldn't find the answer.

Maybe you missed a few!? This one of yours is number 6669 in my message base...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Maybe you missed a few!? This one of yours is number 6669 in my message base...

Or maybe my dupe check is slightly better than yours?

I can't say for sure -- but at least we are very close (6656 vs. 6669), so neither of our systems can have missed much, meaning our FidoWeb works pretty well, no? 8-)



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Hi Björn,

On 2019-03-26 18:13:48, you wrote to me:

Maybe you missed a few!? This one of yours is number 6669 in my
message base...

Or maybe my dupe check is slightly better than yours?

"Better" as in detecting too many dupes! (aka false positives) ;)

But seriously, I find this interesting from a technical point of view, as one of the maintainers of the software involved. Can you export all messages (or just the MSGID's), zip them, and send the zip file? (or the simply the jam area files if that's easier, would be ok too)


Bye, Wilfred.

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But seriously, I find this interesting from a technical point of view,
as one of the maintainers of the software involved.

Indeed. But I think we'd better take it to netmail, and maybe eventually reveal our results in a Fidonews article?

Can you export all messages

I can.



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Can you export all messages

Not only to Wilfred but to anyone interested in every message posted in this echo, and can handle a JAM base properly, here you have a snapshot of this very moment:

http://eljaco.se/FILES/ipv6.rar (1.3MB))



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Hi Björn,

On 2019-03-26 18:54:32, you wrote to me:

But seriously, I find this interesting from a technical point of
view, as one of the maintainers of the software involved.

Indeed. But I think we'd better take it to netmail, and maybe
eventually reveal our results in a Fidonews article?

I agree this has nothing to do with IPv6, and if nobody else is interested, netmail will do...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Björn,

On 2019-03-26 19:21:07, you wrote to me:

Can you export all messages

Not only to Wilfred but to anyone interested in every message posted
in this echo, and can handle a JAM base properly, here you have a
snapshot of this very moment:

http://eljaco.se/FILES/ipv6.rar (1.3MB))

Thanks...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Bj”rn,

On Tuesday March 26 2019 17:50, you wrote to you:

How times fly. It's almost five years now. To be exact, since:

2009-02-11 05:34:22 UTC

One would expect that I from the lines above (three years vs. five years) should be able to solve this important matter about who was the first to create an IPv6 tunnel, but I have to give up.

I can't find it either. Considering that my memory is notoriously unreliable, I will happily give you the benefit of the doubt when your memory says, you beat me by a couple of days.

I just hate it when I have to give up... 8-)

I have learned to live with it a couple of decades ago...

Other than that...

Here we have a saying: "onderzoek alles en behoud het goede". Explore everything and keep the good things.

You don't have native IPv6. You have IPv6 via a 6in4 tunnel. So you have de facto Dual Stack capability. But that is not the only way that leads to Rome. Accepting DS-Lite or even an IPv6 only connecting from your ISP and using a 4in6 tunnel to have the best of both worlds is another way.

IIRC Tony Langdon is using 4in6 tunnels. When IPv6 becomes the dominanty protocl - and we may live to see that - using a 4in6 tunnel may be better than the other way around.

Plus that there is also feste-ip.net for those that only need a few ports incomng.


Cheers, Michiel

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On 03-27-19 11:40, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

IIRC Tony Langdon is using 4in6 tunnels. When IPv6 becomes the
dominanty protocl - and we may live to see that - using a 4in6 tunnel
may be better than the other way around.

No, though I do use a VPN to route a /29 of IPv4 to my BBSs. The VPN is running OpenVPN, and is carried on IPv4, not V6, so you're not quite correct, though I _could_ theoretically use 4in6.

I'm probably a little unusual in that I'm running a VPN tunnel to carry IPv4, while all IPv6 here is native.


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Hello Tony,

On Thursday March 28 2019 08:08, you wrote to me:

IIRC Tony Langdon is using 4in6 tunnels. When IPv6 becomes the
dominanty protocl - and we may live to see that - using a 4in6
tunnel may be better than the other way around.

No, though I do use a VPN to route a /29 of IPv4 to my BBSs. The VPN
is running OpenVPN, and is carried on IPv4, not V6, so you're not
quite correct,

Ok, so my memory once again failed me. ;-)

though I _could_ theoretically use 4in6.

When IPv6 becomes the dominant protocol 4in6 tunnels may become popular for those still needing incoming IPv4. Until "everyone has IPv6 of course. Then we can switch off IPv4. ;-)

I'm probably a little unusual in that I'm running a VPN tunnel to
carry IPv4, while all IPv6 here is native.

Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a VPN is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.


Cheers, Michiel

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Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these
days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a VPN
is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.

I've got five dynamic public IPv4 addresses in my ADSL line.

'Tommi

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Hello Tommi,

On Thursday March 28 2019 15:44, you wrote to me:

Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these
days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a
VPN is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.

I've got five dynamic public IPv4 addresses in my ADSL line.

Via a VPN?

Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist
On 28/03/2019 15.53 you wrote:

Hello Tommi,
On Thursday March 28 2019 15:44, you wrote to me:

Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these
days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a
VPN is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.

I've got five dynamic public IPv4 addresses in my ADSL line.

Via a VPN?

No. Assigned by my isp. Thats how it has always been, about 15 years now. Adsl modem is just a bridge.

Native ipv4. ;)

Tommi

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Hello Michiel!

28 Mar 19 13:53, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

When IPv6 becomes the dominant protocol 4in6 tunnels may become
popular for those still needing incoming IPv4. Until "everyone has
IPv6 of course. Then we can switch off IPv4. ;-)

I'm probably a little unusual in that I'm running a VPN tunnel to
carry IPv4, while all IPv6 here is native.

Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these
days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a VPN
is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.

Well... I do have a /26 IPv4 from my provider and a /48 IPv6. Also I don't currently make use of them via VPN I did so in the past or might do so again in the future. Basically it would also be an option to switch to another DSL provider and have my VLAN with both IPv4 and IPv6 from my colocation provider to my home via DSL.
And that's really something I do consider for the next years...

Ingo


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On 03-28-19 13:53, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Ok, so my memory once again failed me. ;-)

Easy done. :)

though I _could_ theoretically use 4in6.

I forgot to mention the other end of the tunnel is on an IPv6 capable (native) network too. :)

When IPv6 becomes the dominant protocol 4in6 tunnels may become popular for those still needing incoming IPv4. Until "everyone has IPv6 of course. Then we can switch off IPv4. ;-)

It's also possible that IPv4 may remain a niche protocol on isolated networks (with 4in6 links between as needed) indefinitely. Similar to how IPX was in the mid-late 90s for gaming, where it was carried over IP using software like Kali to enable LAN games to work over the Internet, IIRC. Back then, if a non Netware network was full of IPX packets, then at least a few people were gaming. :)

I'm probably a little unusual in that I'm running a VPN tunnel to
carry IPv4, while all IPv6 here is native.

Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a VPN is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.

Theoretically, I also have a /24 that can be reached over the Internet. It's part of the AMPRnet 44.x allocation and is used on my VPX to provide online services for amateur radio. Mostly Echolink proxies and conferences (which consume close to 200 IPs currently). My VPS provider routes the /24 for me over BGP.

Yeah, I am an unusual hobbyist. :)


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On 03-28-19 15:44, Tommi Koivula wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-

Very unusual. Few hobbyists have more than one IPv4 address these
days. Having moe than one is unusual by itself. Having them via a VPN
is even more unusual. You may be the only one in Fidonet.

I've got five dynamic public IPv4 addresses in my ADSL line.

My ISP used to offer that, but I believe they discontinued multiple logins/IPs per account a few years ago. For me, had I used that feature, my first login would get my static IP, and additional logins would get a dynamic IP (and IPv6 prefix).


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On 03-28-19 14:53, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

I've got five dynamic public IPv4 addresses in my ADSL line.

Via a VPN?

I suspect not. Some ISPs allowed users to have multiple simultaneous logins, each of which would get a different IP address. For xDSL, you'd put your modem
into bridge mode, then connect routers or devices to the bridged modem. Each connected device would do a PPPoE login and get its own IP address (and IPv6 prefix if available).

Another approach is what my ISP offers for an additional $20/month over what I pay - I can upgrade to "business class" and then have the option of a /29 routed via my connection. I'd need another router to make this compatible with
my current network (I'd setup the /29 as a traditional DMZ outside my main LAN,
which would remain behind NAT, because of the number of decives). But the ISP charges $20/month ($240/year) on top of what I pay now, but the VPN costs me $40/year, and is more than adequate for BBSing. If users want better performance, they can simply go IPv6, which is native. ;)


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