If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start
an echo!
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.
If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an echo ! Steve Reader
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.
What is your take for the future of Fido?
There's been a lot of "take".
What is probably needed is more "give". :D
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo.
If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start
an echo ! Steve Reader
There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my callers
are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good times and call a
few times and then that's that.
People, generally, are not bothered about bulletin boards any more, not when they can have instant email and instant news from the site of
their choice. If they want to talk to people, they have facebook, if
they want to view images, they don't have to download them, they can go
to Instragram. If they want to real time chat, they have snap chat.
Until someone can find a way to make board relevant in the modern
society, you're doomed to talking to the same people on the same boards about the same subjects.
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an
echo !
On 01 Apr 2022, Nigel Reed said the following...
There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my
callers are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good
times and call a few times and then that's that.
People, generally, are not bothered about bulletin boards any
more, not when they can have instant email and instant news from
the site of their choice. If they want to talk to people, they
have facebook, if they want to view images, they don't have to
download them, they can go to Instragram. If they want to real
time chat, they have snap chat.
Until someone can find a way to make board relevant in the modern society, you're doomed to talking to the same people on the same
boards about the same subjects.
That might be the case indeed, but I still believe that there is
some hope in our cause.
The problem is that before it was really easy to get users. A
simple ad at the local newspaper and hundreds of people would dial up
to your system.. those times are gone.
What I am trying to do is to bring the BBS to some of these
retrocomputing events that happen at my city every now and then.
With the COVID restrictions lifted, probably we will have one in
the upcoming months and I plan to participate bringing a system on an
old laptop, so people can really see it.
On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 14:25:34 +0100
"Steve Reader" <steve.reader@3:640/1321.4> wrote:
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If
there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an echo
! Steve Reader
There is no future. Not sure about anyone else but most of my callers are other sysops or users wanting to relive the good times and call a few times and then that's that.
Nigel Reed wrote to All <=-
The problem is that before it was really easy to get users. A
simple ad at the local newspaper and hundreds of people would dial up
to your system.. those times are gone.
What I am trying to do is to bring the BBS to some of these
retrocomputing events that happen at my city every now and then.
With the COVID restrictions lifted, probably we will have one in
the upcoming months and I plan to participate bringing a system on an
old laptop, so people can really see it.
That's a good idea. I wonder if I can donate a PC to the local
computer museum with a copy of syncterm and a few bulletin
boards. I'd have to find some way to lock the config so people
don't save their credentials or add other boards.
Thanks for the idea.
Still, I see the echos as the relevant part of what remains and would
in fact see some value in file nets as they existed in the past, also
because it turns out that the internet's memmory is even worse than
mine when it comes to certain files. Try to get old tech standards,
source code samples or anything that was around everwhery decades
ago. Many things virtually vanished. Keeping a library of them is an interesting application, but could of course done as well on a
web-based system.
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a
busy echo. If there are any sysops intrested in
discussing the future lets start an echo !
I think the Echo is related to an old project.
Still, future is good for everybody :)
Hello Tim!
** On Wednesday 06.04.22 - 18:24, you wrote to Steve Reader:
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If
there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an
echo !
I think the Echo is related to an old project.I haven't posted this description in a while..
Hi All I would have thought that this would have been a busy echo. If
there are any sysops intrested in discussing the future lets start an
echo !
I think the Echo is related to an old project.
I haven't posted this description in a while..
I think I mixed some things up :) Memory is getting worse of the years.
Of course I support the idea of this echo and would love to see even more discussion going on.
Hello All,
when using Fido today I regularly hit the wall when I notice that I would like to *attach at least a picture* to illustrate something. Also, people keep sendig me fido messages that refer to pictures put on their web space. This feels odd.
Also, the current practice for *text styles is limited* in application
and not well-defined. Still, this seems to be the minor of the two
issues.
I think this is really something that could/should be addressed in some way to enable relevant contemporary communication through fido.
To adress this, I see _at least_ two options:
1) Do it fully email-style by using MIME with HTML text and embedded/referenced pictures. This will be a lot to implement and particularly difficult to handle in 16-Bit software due to memory restrictions and lack of frameworks. Also, memory comes to mind when considering the size of the resulting messages. Using @SPLIT, these could be extended beyound 63k, but the resulting messages might be considered an annoyance. 2) Define a simple fidonet-compatible way that
is more in line with existing fido technology (particularly a maximum message length of 63k) but still enables including at least a picture and maybe simple text styles while maintaining readability on non-compatible systems.
I find both alternatives interesting, but currently I prefer the latter with a focus on embedding the picture. The idea would by to have
something that is more like the ability to post a picture on social media platforms. So instead of providing half a text processor for creating formatted text, people can just include the picture with their fidonet mail and ideally the editor will recompress the picture as needed to a
jpg to limit the resuling message size including the encoding picture to 63k.
My idea for the latter would be to include the .jpg as Base64 and add a kludge to it for inline-display. This could also be done for multiple images.
An alternative would be including a link to the picture like we do today, but enabling the reader to automatically download such pictures and maybe include automated upload/linking of the image in the editor. However,
that would be quite dependent on other services.
*What do you think?*
Regards,
Tim
-+- WinPoint 398.3
+ Origin: Original WinPoint Origin! (2:240/1120.29)
I absolutely love the idea of being able to use a Fido message
reader capable of displaying *inline* images in Fido messages.
MF> I absolutely love the idea of being able to use a Fido message
MF> reader capable of displaying *inline* images in Fido messages.
HotdogEd does it.
It displays images inline, both from external URLs and uuencoded images. (Also youtube thumbnail previews)
HotdogEd does it.Is there a Desktop PC version?
Perhaps folks might like to comment on your suggestion which you
posted recently in FTSC_PUBLIC .....
*** Thursday 10.02.22 at 14:42, Tim Schattkowsky wrote to All:
Hello All,
when using Fido today I regularly hit the wall when I notice that
I would like to *attach at least a picture* to illustrate
something. Also, people keep sendig me fido messages that refer
to pictures put on their web space. This feels odd.
Also, the current practice for *text styles is limited* in
application and not well-defined. Still, this seems to be the
minor of the two issues.
I think this is really something that could/should be addressed
in some way to enable relevant contemporary communication through
fido.
To adress this, I see _at least_ two options:
1) Do it fully email-style by using MIME with HTML text and
embedded/referenced pictures. This will be a lot to implement
...
non-compatible systems.
HotdogEd does it.
Is there a Desktop PC version?
Nope, sorry. Android only.
HotdogEd does it.
Is there a Desktop PC version?
Nope, sorry. Android only.
Well, that's a shame.
However, I have my phone linked to my Win10 PC, so perhaps I should install Hotdoged on my phone and then see if I can use it on my PC.
HotdogEd does it.
Is there a Desktop PC version?
Nope, sorry. Android only.
HotdogEd does it.
Is there a Desktop PC version?
Nope, sorry. Android only.
https://www.bluestacks.com/ ;)
HotdogEd does it.
Is there a Desktop PC version?
Nope, sorry. Android only.
https://www.bluestacks.com/ ;)
Yup, I made a typo in my previous message O:-)
Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)
Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)
No. I don't find Hotdogs comfortable.
Have you tried HotdogEd with it? (I haven't but may do some day)
No. I don't find Hotdogs comfortable.
I think they are OK with enough mustard ... and some sliced pickle
Flavio wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
I think they are OK with enough mustard ... and some sliced pickle
Pickles? THAT is weird!
Maybe we need to "invite" new people showing them HotdogEd, Stas Mischenkov's gate, WinPoint, etc...
Nice idea but how do you propose sending out the "invitations".
We need to make it simple for people not touched by nostalgia or textmode aesthetics. Fidonet, and the rest of FTNs, for that matter, are a mistery for a lot of folks and gals... even telling them about it is something cool to do. Well, for me, at least.
I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission. But we can figure out much more (thats the entire point of this echo).
Nice idea but how do you propose sending out the "invitations".
Well, we all have relatives/friends/girlfriends, etc :) We
can, indeed, create custom BBS accounts for, lets say, a
sister in law, and invite her to one of the telegram
supported echoes... That is a nice gateway to heavier
drugs like BBSing hahahaha...
At least, we could bring new people from "the outside". Im
trying to make that two female friends start posting in
fidonet, but at least they have read some echoes...
We need to make it simple for people not touched by
nostalgia or textmode aesthetics. Fidonet, and the rest of
FTNs, for that matter, are a mistery for a lot of folks
and gals... even telling them about it is something cool
to do. Well, for me, at least.
I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission.
But we can figure out much more (thats the entire point of
this echo).
I think telegram gate is a nice setup for that mission.
But we can figure out much more (thats the entire point
of this echo).
I've gone the same route, introducing some people to the
Telegram group. I'm now working on stage two, to make them
points using Aftershock. we'll see how that works out.
I've gone the same route, introducing some people to the
Telegram group. I'm now working on stage two, to make them
points using Aftershock. we'll see how that works out.
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