• Urban Oettli

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Thu Jun 17 11:33:04 2021
    Just a new entry/exit world record for the nodelist;

    Entered May 8th
    Down June 12th
    Dropped June 17th

    \%/@rd
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jun 17 12:39:26 2021
    Hello Ward,

    On Thursday June 17 2021 11:33, you wrote to All:

    Just a new entry/exit world record for the nodelist;

    Entered May 8th
    Down June 12th
    Dropped June 17th

    Get them back in is one thing, getting then to stay is another...

    Listing him on the 8th of May was premature. He actually did not answer incoming calls until the 14th. So his stay lasted less than a month...

    In the meantime an overactive nodelist police deputy's attempts to poll him before he was ready caused his firewall to block the deputy's IP number. The firewall was configured to do so when an attempt to connect to a non existant was made. The sysop in question was unaware that he already was in the nodelist. When he found out about this premature action, he was not amused...
    As I said, getting them back is one thing, getting them to stay is another. The median life time of re-entering sysops is under a year. One may expect deviations either way. A life time of less than a month is remarkable but not so extreme as to be unexpected.

    This returnee obviously did not like what he found after his return. My guess is that the bad start didn't help either.

    It happens.


    Cheers, Michiel
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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu Jun 17 15:09:44 2021
    Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
    On 6/17/21 12:39 PM you wrote:

    Get them back in is one thing, getting then to stay is another...
    Listing him on the 8th of May was premature. He actually did not
    answer incoming calls until the 14th. So his stay lasted less than
    a month... In the meantime an overactive nodelist police deputy's attempts to poll him before he was ready caused his firewall to
    block the deputy's IP number. The firewall was configured to do so
    when an attempt to connect to a non existant was made. The sysop
    in question was unaware that he already was in the nodelist. When
    he found out about this premature action, he was not amused... As
    I said, getting them back is one thing, getting them to stay is
    another. The median life time of re-entering sysops is under a
    year. One may expect deviations either way. A life time of less
    than a month is remarkable but not so extreme as to be unexpected.
    This returnee obviously did not like what he found after his
    return. My guess is that the bad start didn't help either. It
    happens.
    Meanwhile, the Fidonet old boys club will lean back in their chairs with a smug smile on thir face and think "that person didn't deserve to be here anyway!"

    Then the next day they'll type messages like "WhY iS fIdOnEt DyInG?!" on their cheeto-stained keyboards.


    --
    Mike
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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mike Miller on Thu Jun 17 21:11:00 2021
    On 17 Jun 21 15:09:44, Mike Miller said the following to Michiel Van Der Vlist:

    Then the next day they'll type messages like "WhY iS fIdOnEt DyInG?!" on th cheeto-stained keyboards.

    Not Cheeto's - they use the no-name brand. "Cheezy puffs"

    Nick
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Mike Miller on Fri Jun 18 11:58:09 2021
    On 17/06/2021 15:09, 1154/30.1 wrote:

     MV>> My guess is that the bad start didn't help either. It happens.

    Meanwhile, the Fidonet old boys club will lean back in their chairs with
    a smug smile on thir face and think "that person didn't deserve to be
    here anyway!"

    Then the next day they'll type messages like "WhY iS fIdOnEt DyInG?!" on their cheeto-stained keyboards.

    I don't think any of the "old boys" would actually ask that, I think that they already know.

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    David
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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Nick Andre on Thu Jun 17 20:59:54 2021

    Hello Nick!

    17 Jun 21 21:11, you wrote to me:

    On 17 Jun 21 15:09:44, Mike Miller said the following to Michiel Van
    Der Vlist:

    Then the next day they'll type messages like "WhY iS fIdOnEt
    DyInG?!" on th cheeto-stained keyboards.

    Not Cheeto's - they use the no-name brand. "Cheezy puffs"

    I love Cheesy Poofs, you love Cheesy Poofs. If we didn't eat Cheesy Poofs we'd be ....


    ... lame.



    Mike


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Matthias Hertzog on Fri Jun 18 08:52:19 2021
    Matthias,

    Sad but true. Urban had it technically implemented, looked at the content and the fights and decided to be removed from the nodelist by now.

    That's nonsense. There's nowhere near the level of people around anymore to have quality fights.

    Some people may also misinterprete direct talk with little room for interpretation as aggressive.

    We've survived top-bullies such as Ron Dwight, Henk Wolsink, Bob Seaborn, Ross Cassel, the Jansen-guy from the Netherlands and his wobbly friend, the Italian police, a lengthy court case, etc, etc, ...

    Written words here are not fights, someone expressing an opinion you don't agree with ... live with it ... <Next> key.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Matthias Hertzog on Fri Jun 18 08:54:13 2021
    His routing generator was ported and refined during that time,

    The infamous 'routing generator' ... at least you have a sense of humor.

    The only thing I know Urban from is Eurocon IV in Antwerp.

    He flew first class from Switzerland to Belgium, bragged about talking to the Prime Minister (the Prime Minister has the usage of a government business jet BTW, doesn't fly commercial), he went with unsuspecting sysops to classy restaurants, offered some guys money so their system could be used commercially and they came to see me with a heavy breathing voice "What do you think of this?" (I wasn't ZC at that time 1990) ... he made me the same offer and wined and dined me as well before I got the picture...

    That's how I know him ,,, that's why I know he's not a stayer ...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 18 09:49:52 2021
    Hello Ward,

    On Friday June 18 2021 08:52, you wrote to Matthias Hertzog:

    We've survived top-bullies such as Ron Dwight, Henk Wolsink, Bob
    Seaborn, Ross Cassel, the Jansen-guy from the Netherlands and his
    wobbly friend,

    Joop Mellaart en Peter Janssens. I would not go as far as to call them bullies, let alone top bullies like Ross Cassel and Bob Seaborn, but it was obvious that for them Fidonet was an "aside" for their on-line bussines. When that bussines model collapsed, they left Fidonet and net 512, "their net" collapsed with it.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Matthias Hertzog on Fri Jun 18 14:54:07 2021
    He confirms, that he was in Antwerp
    He cannot remember if he spoke with you or not

    Premature Alzheimer? I ran the event, I spoke with everyone.

    He never approached anyone about commercial fidonet, ...

    Yeah ... right ...

    So, there must be a mixup. Probably with Jens Mller. 2:24/24

    Yeah ... right ...

    Jens Mueller was not there ... his 'star' still had to rise ... and after his botched bid at ZC2 it went down quickly.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Jun 14 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Matthias Hertzog on Sat Jun 19 08:47:51 2021
    Hello Matthias,

    On Friday June 18 2021 05:31, you wrote to me:

    Listing him on the 8th of May was premature. He actually did not
    answer incoming calls until the 14th.

    That's your perspective,

    Wilfred could not connect either until later in the day in the 14th.

    your IP was blacklisted there due to your poll-tests. My connection
    with him was earlier, but yes, the nodelist entry was a little bit premature.

    So we agree on that.

    In the meantime an overactive nodelist police deputy's attempts
    to poll him before he was ready caused his firewall to block the
    deputy's IP number. The firewall was configured to do so when an
    attempt to connect to a non existant was made.

    He has fail2ban active. Connecting to a non existing service causes blockage. A very long blockage. A too long blockage in my opinion.

    The sysop in question was unaware that he already was in the
    nodelist.

    "Unaware" is a hard word for knowing that work is in progres on both sides.

    I am just telling what he told me.

    When he found out about this premature action, he was not
    amused...

    I made the nodelist entry shortly before his system was up and
    running, but i knew the progres of his work. Yes, it was not perfect
    from my side, but that did not cause the blockage. I've even notified
    you about the situation and asked to not test his system already. Unfortunatly, my words were not heard, so i had to arrange an
    unblocking later.

    Those words were not heard because they were not uttered. You did NOT ask me not to test his system. You asked me not to complain if I failed to connect. And I did not complain. Not only did you not ask me not to attempt to connect, you also did not tell me that failed attempts to connect could result in a blockage of my IP number.

    Urban's system was pollig here perfectly before the nodelist entry was created.

    But could he accept incoming calls? I guess not. Because you polling him would have caused YOUR IP number to have been blocked as well. Unless he had already configurted an acception for you in his firewall.

    In either case, if he was listed at all, he shoud have been listed as Hold or Pvt until he could accept incoming calls.

    My attempts to poll him did indeed result in the blockage. But that was only the last step in the chain of events. It started with you listing him before he was able to accept incoming calls from the Fidonet community. The next step was that you did not warn me about his firewall triggering a blockade on an attempt to connect to a non existant service. My attempt to poll was only the last step.

    Look, things happen. We live and learn. But don't make it look lile this was all MY fault.

    This returnee obviously did not like what he found after his
    return.

    That's true.

    It happens. We have seen it many times before. Urban is not the first to return after decades of absence. The pattern is recognisable. Fidonet is not what it was 25 years ago and many returnees have a problem when they are confronted with that fact and leave again. It is what it is.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Mike Miller on Thu Jun 17 22:29:00 2021
    On 17 Jun 21 20:59:54, Mike Miller said the following to Nick Andre:

    Not Cheeto's - they use the no-name brand. "Cheezy puffs"

    I love Cheesy Poofs, you love Cheesy Poofs. If we didn't eat Cheesy Poofs w be ....

    I can't eat any of that... too many Cheesy Farts.

    Nick
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 18 05:25:43 2021
    Hello Ward!

    Just a new entry/exit world record for the nodelist;
    Entered May 8th
    Down June 12th
    Dropped June 17th

    Sad but true. Urban had it technically implemented, looked at the content and the fights and decided to be removed from the nodelist by now. His system is still configured, but taken offline. There are conditions to make him return, but meanwile he wants to enjoy his live as good as possible.

    He implemented fidonet while he was on vacation and was not allowed to travel back home. After some 3 month, he decided to travel back home as the situation was getting more wors by the day.. He's in home quaranine now. No symptoms, he's fine.

    Regarding fidonet: At least he was consequent and requestet 'down' and removal corrrectly. He even unlinked all areas in time here. That's Urban. :-)

    Matthias
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Jun 18 05:31:59 2021
    Hello Michiel!

    Listing him on the 8th of May was premature. He actually did not
    answer incoming calls until the 14th.

    That's your perspective, your IP was blacklisted there due to your
    poll-tests. My connection with him was earlier, but yes, the nodelist
    entry was a little bit premature.

    In the meantime an overactive nodelist police deputy's attempts to
    poll him before he was ready caused his firewall to block the deputy's
    IP number. The firewall was configured to do so when an attempt to
    connect to a non existant was made.

    He has fail2ban active. Connecting to a non existing service causes
    blockage. A very long blockage. A too long blockage in my opinion.

    The sysop in question was unaware
    that he already was in the nodelist.

    "Unaware" is a hard word for knowing that work is in progres on both sides.

    When he found out about this premature action, he was not amused...

    I made the nodelist entry shortly before his system was up and running, but
    i knew the progres of his work. Yes, it was not perfect from my side, but
    that did not cause the blockage. I've even notified you about the situation and asked to not test his system already. Unfortunatly, my words were not heard, so i had to arrange an unblocking later.

    Urban's system was pollig here perfectly before the nodelist entry was
    created.

    This returnee obviously did not like what he found after his return.

    That's true.

    My guess is that the bad start didn't help either.

    Adding him to the nodelist built up a bit of pressure for him to hurrry up :-) I know him for about 35 years and know what triggers him - in a positive and in a negative way.

    The add had a technical reason as well here. The reason is removed now, so any further additions can be done the correct way.

    It happens.

    Whatever happened in fidonet, it enabled Uprban and myself to so some nice work together. His routing generator was ported and refined during that time, and his
    own system was a testbed for that. I've enjoyed working with him again.

    And that's about fidonet anyway: Connecting people. So it worked :-)

    Matthias
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  • From Enric Lleal@2:343/107 to Matthias Hertzog on Fri Jun 18 09:09:06 2021
    Hello Matthias,

    And that's about fidonet anyway: Connecting people. So it worked :-)

    Only for this sentence it worths to spend time in this...

    A reveure!!
    Enric
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 18 11:02:47 2021
    Hello Ward!

    Sad but true. Urban had it technically implemented, looked at the
    content and the fights and decided to be removed from the nodelist
    by now.
    That's nonsense. There's nowhere near the level of people around
    anymore to have quality fights.

    I only repeased what he told me was his impression. I'm not judging it.

    His early leave is, in my opinion, an overreaction.

    Matthias
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 18 11:05:09 2021
    Hello Ward!

    The infamous 'routing generator' ... at least you have a sense of
    humor.

    I'm not sure we're talking about the same tool.

    The only thing I know Urban from is Eurocon IV in Antwerp.
    He flew first class from Switzerland to Belgium, bragged about talking
    to the Prime Minister (the Prime Minister has the usage of a
    government business jet BTW, doesn't fly commercial), he went with unsuspecting sysops to classy restaurants, offered some guys money so their system could be used commercially and they came to see me with a heavy breathing voice "What do you think of this?" (I wasn't ZC at
    that time 1990) ... he made me the same offer and wined and dined me
    as well before I got the picture...

    That sounds NOT like Urban in any way. Are you sure you don't mix him up
    with Jens Mueller?

    Urban was and is a normal guy, doing his work with a professional attitude
    and on a livelong fight against commercial things. He always lived quiet
    and normal, no bragging at all except for telling about some cool
    technical things he's working on. He could talk for hours about that, but that's not bragging.

    He even don't like expencive restaurants, he was alwys very happy with
    some ordinary spaghetti.

    That's how I know him ,,, that's why I know he's not a stayer ...

    I'm quite sure you're mixing him someone else, but i'll ask him this afternoon if he was at Antwerp and if he has met you.

    Matthias
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 18 11:14:15 2021
    Hello Ward!

    He flew first class from Switzerland to Belgium, bragged about talking
    to the Prime Minister (the Prime Minister has the usage of a
    government business jet BTW, doesn't fly commercial), he went with unsuspecting sysops to classy restaurants, offered some guys money so their system could be used commercially and they came to see me with a heavy breathing voice "What do you think of this?" (I wasn't ZC at
    that time 1990) ... he made me the same offer and wined and dined me
    as well before I got the picture...
    That's how I know him ,,, that's why I know he's not a stayer ...

    Just had a chat with Urban.

    He confirms, that he was in Antwerp
    He cannot remember if he spoke with you or not
    He drove to Antwerb by car, together with Nik Bombelli and Roland Gautschi.
    He never approached anyone about commercial fidonet, he never wanted such things.

    So, there must be a mixup. Probably with Jens Mller. 2:24/24

    Matthias
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  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Jun 19 19:18:08 2021
    Hello Michiel.

    Replying to a msg dated 19 Jun 21 08:47, from you to Matthias Hertzog.

    Maybe you should write a Nodelist Police FAQ which can be sent to all
    the new nodes.

    just as i've rejoined i got some messages about the nodelist police and
    that i shouldn't care about it. luckily i could set up my system perfectly :P

    --
    Daniel

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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Jun 19 22:44:10 2021
    Hello Michiel!

    But could he accept incoming calls? I guess not. Because you polling
    him would have caused YOUR IP number to have been blocked as well.
    Unless he had already configurted an acception for you in his
    firewall.

    He was accepting incoming calls. Your IP was blocked and manually unblocked
    on my request.

    I did not say it was your fault, i only explaned the situation back then.

    Matthias
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Daniel Path on Sun Jun 20 21:40:03 2021
    Hello Daniel,

    On Sunday June 20 2021 16:35, you wrote to me:

    fail2ban works analysing the log files and if it finds failed sessions
    it just blocks the ip/net/whatever for minutes/hours/weeks/etc.

    So... A failed connect, no matter what the reason, leads to a blockade which in turn leads to more failed connects. That does not sound like an effective strategy to optimize connectivity. To put it mildly. Especially in Fdionet where mailers do a number of retries before they take a break. Some mailers never really give up completeley unless the sysop intervenes.

    Hmmm....


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Matthias Hertzog on Mon Jun 21 12:44:52 2021
    Hello Matthias,

    On Sunday June 20 2021 22:26, you wrote to me:

    So... A failed connect, no matter what the reason, leads to a
    blockade which in turn leads to more failed connects.

    Exactly. I think that conecpt is crap.


    OK, so we agree on that. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Daniel Path on Mon Jun 21 12:46:24 2021
    Hello Daniel,

    On Sunday June 20 2021 23:02, you wrote to me:

    So... A failed connect, no matter what the reason, leads to a
    blockade which in turn leads to more failed connects. That does not
    sound like an effective strategy to optimize connectivity. To put it
    mildly. Especially in Fdionet where mailers do a number of retries
    before they take a break. Some mailers never really give up
    completeley unless the sysop intervenes.

    Hmmm....

    it depends on what you define as a failed connection.

    It does not really, see below.

    for example this
    test is not a failed connection in my opinion:

    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] SYS Nieuw Schnoord IPv6 test node
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] ZYZ Michiel van der Vlist
    [..]
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] Remote supports GZ mode
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] done (from 2:280/5556@fidonet, OK, S/R: 0/0
    (0/0 bytes))

    It does not look like a failed connect from my side and so there was no attempt to reconnect.

    so it depends on what you are defining in fail2ban :)

    The point remains that a failed connect - by whatever criteria - leads to a blockade which in turn leads to more failed connect.

    And that is not an effective strategy to optimize connectivity...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Jun 20 18:54:44 2021
    Hello Michiel!

    Obviously my IP WAS blocked. So I can not but conclude that he did not accept incoming calls when he was first listed.

    Come on....

    The node was accepting calls shortly after being listed in the nodelist. Youre connection attempts forced your IP into the blocking. The timeframe where you were not able to connect was much longer than the one i had because my IP was not blocked.

    EOT ... I think you've got it 3 days ago already, so don't let's play "i'm right"-games here. The facts were clear from day one.

    Let's better focus on nodes that are in fact part of fidonet.

    Matthias
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  • From Matthias Hertzog@2:301/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Jun 20 22:26:03 2021
    Hello Michiel!

    So... A failed connect, no matter what the reason, leads to a blockade which in turn leads to more failed connects.

    Exactly. I think that conecpt is crap.

    That does not sound like an effective strategy to optimize
    connectivity. To put it mildly.

    It's crap. to put it correct. At least for this use case.

    A failed connect to a non-cofigures service causes no harm at all. I really don't see the benefit of fail2ban. If only creates unnecessary work for
    the sysadmin.

    Especially in Fdionet where mailers do a number of retries before they take a break. Some mailers never really give up completeley unless the sysop intervenes.

    Exactly. That's why it's crap.

    Matthias
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  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Jun 20 16:35:01 2021
    Hello Michiel.

    20 Jun 21 13:33, you wrote to Matthias Hertzog:

    Hello Matthias,

    On Saturday June 19 2021 22:44, you wrote to me:

    But could he accept incoming calls? I guess not. Because you
    polling him would have caused YOUR IP number to have been
    blocked as well. Unless he had already configurted an acception
    for you in his firewall.

    He was accepting incoming calls. Your IP was blocked and manually
    unblocked on my request.

    I did not say it was your fault, i only explaned the situation
    back then.

    Your explanation does no add up. You told me I was blocked because his ban2fail detects an attempt to connect to a non existant service. But
    if he accepted incoming calls - as you now say - the service was
    present and there should have been no resulting block on an attempt to connect.

    fail2ban works analysing the log files and if it finds failed sessions it just blocks the ip/net/whatever for minutes/hours/weeks/etc.

    Obviously my IP WAS blocked. So I can not but conclude that he did
    not
    accept incoming calls when he was first listed.


    Daniel

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  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Jun 20 23:02:10 2021
    Hello Michiel.

    20 Jun 21 21:40, you wrote to me:

    Hello Daniel,

    On Sunday June 20 2021 16:35, you wrote to me:

    fail2ban works analysing the log files and if it finds failed
    sessions it just blocks the ip/net/whatever for
    minutes/hours/weeks/etc.

    So... A failed connect, no matter what the reason, leads to a blockade which in turn leads to more failed connects. That does not sound like
    an effective strategy to optimize connectivity. To put it mildly. Especially in Fdionet where mailers do a number of retries before they take a break. Some mailers never really give up completeley unless the sysop intervenes.

    Hmmm....

    it depends on what you define as a failed connection. for example this test
    is not a failed connection in my opinion:

    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] SYS Nieuw Schnoord IPv6 test node
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] ZYZ Michiel van der Vlist
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] LOC Driebergen, NL
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] NDL CM,MO,IBN:f5556.vlist.eu,PING,IPv6,INO4
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] TIME Sun, 30 May 2021 09:05:55 +0200
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] VER binkd/1.1a-112/Win32 binkp/1.1
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] addr: 2:280/5556@fidonet
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] addr: 2:280/5555.6@fidonet
    - 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] OPT NDA EXTCMD CRYPT GZ BZ2
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] Remote supports asymmetric ND mode
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] Remote supports EXTCMD mode
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] Remote requests CRYPT mode
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] Remote supports GZ mode
    + 30 May 09:05:54 [22516] done (from 2:280/5556@fidonet, OK, S/R: 0/0 (0/0 bytes))

    so it depends on what you are defining in fail2ban :)

    (disclaimer: for binkd i don't use fail2ban at all)

    --
    Daniel

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Sun Jul 18 09:37:30 2021
    Re: Re: Urban Oettli
    By: Ward Dossche to Matthias Hertzog on Fri Jun 18 2021 08:52 am

    Matthias,

    Sad but true. Urban had it technically implemented, looked at the conten and the fights and decided to be removed from the nodelist by now.

    That's nonsense. There's nowhere near the level of people around anymore to have quality fights.

    Some people may also misinterprete direct talk with little room for interpretation as aggressive.

    We've survived top-bullies such as Ron Dwight, Henk Wolsink, Bob Seaborn, Ro Cassel, the Jansen-guy from the Netherlands and his wobbly friend, the Itali police, a lengthy court case, etc, etc, ...

    Written words here are not fights, someone expressing an opinion you don't agree with ... live with it ... <Next> key.

    \%/@rd


    yup. Next key. In Ross Cassell's case, it was installing 'no-bogus' after a truly UGLY netmail timed to direct deliver to me on Xmas morning. I was in tears before getting more than halfway. I called Bob Seaborn and he helped me set it up.

    I only blocked netmail from him.

    xxcarol
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