• Off line

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Sun Apr 18 10:19:01 2021
    At about Monday 00:00 UTC I will shut down my server for a long needed OS upgrade.

    If everything works out well, my system will be off line for just a couple of hours. But since Murphy probably will want to have a saying about it all, it may be longer.

    So if I'm not on line again for the next couple of days or so, now you know why. 8-)



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 18 18:46:09 2021
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 18 Apr 2021, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    At about Monday 00:00 UTC I will shut down my server for a long needed OS upgrade.

    It'll be fine. Have fun with it!

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/32)
    * Origin: Quinn's Rock - stuck in a Linux VM, again! (3:640/1384)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Sun Apr 18 12:07:08 2021
    It'll be fine. Have fun with it!

    I'll try. I sure miss that liquid courage that I gave up a long time ago.



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 18 21:07:00 2021
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 18 Apr 2021, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    It'll be fine. Have fun with it!
    I'll try. I sure miss that liquid courage that I gave up a long time ago.

    That's okay. Just dig out yer emergency tobacco & rollie makins, and light
    up!

    Works for me. ;)

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/32)
    * Origin: Quinn's Rock - stuck in a Linux VM, again! (3:640/1384)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Sun Apr 18 14:08:30 2021
    That's okay. Just dig out yer emergency tobacco & rollie makins, and light
    up!

    Only I gave that up too, even longer ago.




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  • From Björn Wiberg@2:201/137 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 18 15:37:15 2021
    Hello Bjrn!

    On 18 Apr 2021, Bjrn Felten said the following...
    So if I'm not on line again for the next couple of days or so, now
    you know why. 8-)

    :-D

    Wishing you good luck with the upgrade!

    Best regards
    Bjrn

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A47 2021/04/08 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Star Collision BBS, Uppsala, Sweden (2:201/137)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 18 18:33:11 2021
    Bjrn Felten wrote:

    At about Monday 00:00 UTC I will shut down my server for a long
    needed OS upgrade.

    Ubuntu? Debian? Gentoo or CP/M?

    'Tommi

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 18 17:49:47 2021
    needed OS upgrade.

    Ubuntu? Debian? Gentoo or CP/M?

    Hmmm... Maybe VMS. I hear there's an OpenVMS nowadays.

    But no, the only way from Win95 is to Win98.




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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Bjrn Felten on Sun Apr 18 17:23:40 2021
    Hello Bjrn!

    Sunday April 18 2021 17:49, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    needed OS upgrade.

    Ubuntu? Debian? Gentoo or CP/M?

    Hmmm... Maybe VMS. I hear there's an OpenVMS nowadays.

    But no, the only way from Win95 is to Win98.

    Win 10 might be a better bet if you must go with windoz !


    Vincent

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.3 to Bj�rn Felten on Sun Apr 18 18:04:04 2021
    Hello, Bj�rn Felten.
    On 18/04/21 17:49 you wrote:

    needed OS upgrade.
    Ubuntu? Debian? Gentoo or CP/M?
    Hmmm... Maybe VMS. I hear there's an OpenVMS nowadays.

    You'll be wonder to know that now OpenVMS runs on a standard X86-64 hardware. Take a look at: https://vmssoftware.com/

    But no, the only way from Win95 is to Win98.

    Wow, exciting! :P
    --
    Ciao.
    Fabio.
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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.3 to Tommi Koivula on Sun Apr 18 18:05:00 2021
    Hello, Tommi Koivula.
    On 18/04/21 18:33 you wrote:

    Ubuntu? Debian? Gentoo or CP/M?

    RSX11-M-Plus. :P
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    Ciao.
    Fabio.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon Apr 19 08:03:46 2021
    If everything works out well, my system will be off line for just a couple of hours.

    Well, to sum it up: Windows 1 -- Felten 0.

    After six hours I gave up for now. But rest assured that I'll keep on trying.



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Björn Felten on Mon Apr 19 17:00:36 2021
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 19 Apr 2021, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    If everything works out well, my system will be off line for just couple of hours.

    Well, to sum it up: Windows 1 -- Felten 0.
    After six hours I gave up for now. But rest assured that I'll keep on trying.

    Well, at least you kept your first promise: your system was off-line. :)

    If you accept that Windows is kaktus-fuktas, then you can move on to
    something different/better. Try a replacement system in VirtualBox with
    an exotic thing that will work, first.

    I've had four or five failed experiments in the last month or so, with SBBS (twice), MBSE (twice) and even a toy Windows 7 non-Fido. Did you see
    anything?

    Your JamNNTPd works again, BTW. Thank you.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/32)
    * Origin: Quinn's Rock - stuck in a Linux VM, again! (3:640/1384)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Mon Apr 19 11:07:53 2021
    Well, to sum it up: Windows 1 -- Felten 0.

    After six hours I gave up for now. But rest assured that I'll keep on trying.

    Was that with or without foreplay ?

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Apr.15 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Paul Quinn on Mon Apr 19 13:41:19 2021
    Hello Paul!

    Monday April 19 2021 17:00, you wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 19 Apr 2021, Bjrn Felten said the following...

    If everything works out well, my system will be off line
    for just
    couple of hours.

    Well, to sum it up: Windows 1 -- Felten 0.
    After six hours I gave up for now. But rest assured that I'll
    keep on trying.

    Well, at least you kept your first promise: your system was off-line.
    :)

    If you accept that Windows is kaktus-fuktas, then you can move on to something different/better. Try a replacement system in VirtualBox
    with an exotic thing that will work, first.

    I've had four or five failed experiments in the last month or so, with
    SBBS (twice), MBSE (twice) and even a toy Windows 7 non-Fido. Did you
    see anything?


    What environment was you testing with mbse and what versions of the O/S and mbse ?

    Mbse should be ok with any primary Linux distro but see the changelogs and the README files.

    Vincent

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  • From Paul Quinn@2:221/360 to Vincent Coen on Mon Apr 19 23:53:00 2021
    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/19/2021 10:41 PM, you wrote:

    > I've had four or five failed experiments in the last month or so,

    What environment was you testing with mbse and what versions of the O/S and mbse ?

    Lubuntu 18.04.2 LTS. It was updated from Canonical to current fixes, and kernel level thingies. I jacked it up with an arm's length list of packages recommended in an old SBBS setup script.

    Nevertheless, both times the SETUP script seemed to complete (possibly with a warning or two). On my second attempt, and after logging in as the MBSE user, the new system lost track of who the user was and refused to allow me to tip-toe around the configuration.

    This was a warning to me that I had struck the same nonsense also a decade ago. The MBSE maintenance team ought to aim the installation procedures at an _idiot_ level. That was me, notwithstanding my 20+ years' experience after the SETUP script: an idiot at the keyboard.

    I will try again. The computer never wins.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Vincent Coen on Tue Apr 20 16:45:44 2021
    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/20/2021 07:53 AM, I wrote to you:

    Lubuntu 18.04.2 LTS. It was updated from Canonical to current fixes,
    and kernel level thingies. I jacked it up with an arm's length list of packages recommended in an old SBBS setup script.
    --
    The MBSE version attempted was the 1.07.21 archive. I will try it again or a later one, later.

    Someone should try the process from the PoV of never having seen MBSE from the 'inside', like me. I.e., following the setup script, what comes after logging back in as the MBSE user?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Paul Quinn on Tue Apr 20 20:29:47 2021
    Hello Paul!

    Tuesday April 20 2021 16:45, you wrote to me:

    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/20/2021 07:53 AM, I wrote to you:

    Lubuntu 18.04.2 LTS. It was updated from Canonical to current
    fixes, and kernel level thingies. I jacked it up with an arm's
    length list of packages recommended in an old SBBS setup script.
    --
    The MBSE version attempted was the 1.07.21 archive. I will try it
    again or a later one, later.

    Someone should try the process from the PoV of never having seen MBSE
    from the 'inside', like me. I.e., following the setup script, what
    comes after logging back in as the MBSE user?

    The primary problem appears to be SETUP.sh

    in that it does not support ubuntu as near as I can tell.

    Please post the problem and your set up (distro and versions etc) in the MBSE echo where some of the programmers who worked on the script can try and fix it.

    I use Mageia and have used PClinux and Mandriva where Mandriva worked a bit better in allowing new users to set up a password. For some reason the program
    used in mbse to help set up (or amend a password seems to fail but in my case stoppping any one from telnet ing in solves it - well not really..

    Mandriva worked fine but that is a dead distro and has been for years.

    I am 'assuming' here that when you do a uname -a it says Ubuntu !

    It should be a quick fix and it just needs some extra code in the tests for the
    distro area.

    I only have ubuntu on a Media centre along with mythtv for which I am
    reluctant to tamper with.

    Vincent

    --- Mageia Linux v7.1 X64/Mbse v1.0.7.21/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Vincent Coen on Wed Apr 21 07:55:34 2021
    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/21/2021 05:29 AM, you wrote:

    I only have ubuntu on a Media centre along with mythtv for which I am reluctant to tamper with.

    In my case I am limited with old hardware, and I have a penchant for using VirtualBox when running/testing jobs. Therefore there are environmental considerations.

    I'll follow up at a later time. I'm in a comfortable place at present, on the precipice of some further changes in the shorter term.

    Thank you for your time.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Paul Quinn on Wed Apr 21 00:04:17 2021
    Hello Paul!

    Wednesday April 21 2021 07:55, you wrote to me:

    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/21/2021 05:29 AM, you wrote:

    I only have ubuntu on a Media centre along with mythtv for which
    I am reluctant to tamper with.

    In my case I am limited with old hardware, and I have a penchant for
    using VirtualBox when running/testing jobs. Therefore there are environmental considerations.

    I'll follow up at a later time. I'm in a comfortable place at
    present, on the precipice of some further changes in the shorter term.

    Thank you for your time.

    In the meanwhile I have posted in mbse regarding ubuntu and lubuntu specifically so hopefully some one will have an answer but I will take a look at my media centre system and see if there is a obvious answer :)


    Vincent

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to Paul Quinn on Wed Apr 21 00:06:29 2021
    Hello Paul!

    Wednesday April 21 2021 07:55, you wrote to me:

    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/21/2021 05:29 AM, you wrote:

    I only have ubuntu on a Media centre along with mythtv for which
    I am reluctant to tamper with.

    In my case I am limited with old hardware, and I have a penchant for
    using VirtualBox when running/testing jobs. Therefore there are environmental considerations.

    I'll follow up at a later time. I'm in a comfortable place at
    present, on the precipice of some further changes in the shorter term.

    Thank you for your time.

    Can you notate the exact problems you get when installing running mbse and ubuntu, i.e., did the SETUP.sh work and if so when you ran the tests as displayed did that work ?


    Vincent

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Vincent Coen on Wed Apr 21 09:49:24 2021
    Hi! Vincent,

    On 04/21/2021 09:06 AM, you wrote:

    Can you notate the exact problems you get when installing running mbse and ubuntu, i.e., did the SETUP.sh work and if so when you ran the tests as displayed did that work ?

    Yes. That is my intention. Ta.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Apr 23 12:32:24 2021
    At about Monday 00:00 UTC I will shut down my server for a long
    needed OS upgrade.

    Ubuntu? Debian? Gentoo or CP/M?

    Just tried Ubuntu 20.04, didn't work.

    Y'all will experience downtimes here from time to time, while I'm testing different solutions -- most of it in need for a reboot, but hopefully never for more than an hour.

    Most recently I had to change my DVD-player. The old one hadn't been used for more than a decade, so it probably was totally clogged up; thanks to the Daemon Tools I've always managed fine without it.

    But it turns out that whatever I try to run from within my 32 bit XP (I made the 32 bit choice when there was still almost no 64 bits applications available), any 64-bit install will fail, so I needed to burn a DVD with my intended 64-bit installation disk.

    After I successfully got my 64 bit Ubuntu installations disk burned and then managed to boot from it, everything seemed to go well. It went through an extensive hard disk check that ended up OK, and then started with a lot of DVD access, until suddenly nothing happened. Just a black screen with a mouse pointer (that I could move) and nothing else. After 15 minutes I gave up and rebooted my machine.

    And there you have it for now. New attempts will inevitably mean more down times here, but rarely more than an hour or so -- knock on wood.

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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208.1 to Bjorn Felten on Tue Apr 20 00:42:50 2021
    Hello Bjrn and others,

    Mon. 19 Apr 2021, 08:03:46, Bjrn Felten wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    If everything works out well, my system will be off line for just
    a couple of hours.

    Well, to sum it up: Windows 1 -- Felten 0.

    You are not the only one who has trouble with Micro$.

    After six hours I gave up for now.

    So you were computing the whole night between 00:00 and 06:00 h?
    I.e. not OnLine during Z2MH?
    That's a pity, not that I needed it this time ;-)

    But rest assured that I'll keep on trying.

    You should not use Felten, he is Failing and Faulty ;-(.

    Next time use Bjoern who is much Better ;-).

    I am running !ROSBink 1.34.4 (2007)
    and in the near future version 1.36 (2021).
    At this moment on RISC OS 5.24 (2018)
    at the first Raspberry Pi 1B from 2013,
    but are planning to replace this with RISC OS 5.28 from 2020.
    I can install that on another Pi in the background at a relaxed speed,
    and only have to exchange the microSDcard on the Fido machine
    and for doing that the OffLine time is less than 5 minutes then ;-).

    Many sysop's are planning and publishing short offline times here,
    but I think that is only necessary
    if your system can not accept calls during the next ZMH,
    because that's the only mandatory time a FidoNet system (=Node)
    should be reachable.
    All other hours are an luxury option ;-).

    Greetings from: Henri Derksen.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Henri Derksen on Wed Apr 28 09:37:04 2021
    So you were computing the whole night between 00:00 and 06:00 h?

    I wouldn't call it computing. I was taking a complete backup of the Fidonet partition, then to make sure made a virtual image of the entire computer. After that I made a defrag of the target disk to make room for the new OS.

    The hours soon add up. Especially when working with several TB disks. Plus of course the time it took for the failed install...



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