Doesn't work, there's alwayd someone who won\t comply..

It's like strict gun control, it doesn't prevent people who are dead set to do as they please regardless of the harm they cause others, but reducing the availability reduces the risk of abuse.



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Hello, Bj�rn Felten.
On 26/03/21 05:07 you wrote:

Doesn't work, there's alwayd someone who won\t comply..

It's like strict gun control, it doesn't prevent people who are
dead set to do as they please regardless of the harm they cause
others, but reducing the availability reduces the risk of abuse.

Wrote the host of the trolls ...

--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Doesn't work, there's alwayd someone who won\t comply..

It's like strict gun control, it doesn't prevent people who are dead
set to do as they please regardless of the harm they cause others, but reducing the availability reduces the risk of abuse.

You're hosting the top-troll of Fidonet ...

\%/@rd

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You're hosting the top-troll of Fidonet ...

You're entitled to *your* opinion.



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Wrote the host of the trolls ...

We obviously don't use the same definition of a troll.



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Hello Fabio,

On Friday March 26 2021 07:04, you wrote to Bjߘ�rn Felten:

@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
@TID: jNode/Android
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
Hello, Bjߘ�rn Felten.

CHRS kludge and actual encoding do not match...

Wrote the host of the trolls ...

Whatever. Fact is Bj�rn does not give non-sysops access to sysop echos.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 26/03/21 11:36 you wrote:

@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android @TID: jNode/Android @CHRS: UTF-8 4
Hello, Bjߘ�rn Felten.

CHRS kludge and actual encoding do not match...

Unfortunately, there is no way to customize or set anithing else on utf-8 encoding more than "use utf-8" on hotdoged.

Wrote the host of the trolls ...

Whatever. Fact is Bj�rn does not give non-sysops access to sysop
echos.

Yes, you're right, now, after that the troll exposed his access to the sysop areas, Björn revoked the access to non sysop users.

But the discussion shifted on the way a sysop could be forced to revoke access to trolls in general. ;)

But we're running on a wasted land as everyone knows, so I quit. :)

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Ciao.
Fabio.
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Hello Fabio,

On Friday March 26 2021 13:21, you wrote to me:

@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android @TID: jNode/Android @CHRS: UTF-8 4
Hello, Bj��ߘ�rn Felten.

CHRS kludge and actual encoding do not match...

Unfortunately, there is no way to customize or set anithing else on
utf-8 encoding more than "use utf-8" on hotdoged.

At least it does support UTF-8 natively without any trick or work arounds... ;-)

Whatever. Fact is Bjߘ�rn does not give non-sysops access to
sysop echos.

Yes, you're right, now, after that the troll exposed his access to the sysop areas, Bj�rn revoked the access to non sysop users.

But the discussion shifted on the way a sysop could be forced to
revoke access to trolls in general. ;)

We can argue about the definition of "troll" but there need not be discussion about what is a sysop. Name and number are in the Fidonet nodelist or they are not. The person that triggered this thread is not in the nodelist...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 26/03/21 14:23 you wrote:

CHRS kludge and actual encoding do not match...

Unfortunately, there is no way to customize or set anithing else
on utf-8 encoding more than "use utf-8" on hotdoged.

At least it does support UTF-8 natively without any trick or work arounds... ;-)

I agree with you, the matter is that I have set the "UTF-8" since I started using this client for the first time. :)

Maybe the quoting from another message maybe confuse it.

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top:

Ö

How do you see it?


P.S. What is a SysOp? :P

--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Hello Fabio,

On Friday March 26 2021 18:48, you wrote to me:

I agree with you, the matter is that I have set the "UTF-8" since I started using this client for the first time. :)

Maybe the quoting from another message maybe confuse it.

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top:

Ö

How do you see it?

I see a capital 'O' with two dots above...


Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Restricted access
By: Fabio Bizzi to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Mar 26 2021 06:48 pm

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top:

�

How do you see it?

As you described. :-)
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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 26/03/21 19:30 you wrote:

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: Ö How do
you see it?

I see a capital 'O' with two dots above...

Strange, I see in your quote the O with the double dots on top.
--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Hello, Rob Swindell.
On 26/03/21 13:04 you wrote:

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: � How do
you see it?

As you described. :-)

Strange again, in your quote instead I see a strange symbol.
--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Re: Restricted access
By: Fabio Bizzi to Rob Swindell on Fri Mar 26 2021 09:17 pm

Hello, Rob Swindell.
On 26/03/21 13:04 you wrote:

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: � How do
you see it?

As you described. :-)

Strange again, in your quote instead I see a strange symbol.

In my reply, your UTF-8 char was converted to the CP437 equivalent. Can your message reader not display CP437?
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Hello Fabio,

On Friday March 26 2021 21:16, you wrote to me:

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: Ö How do
you see it?

I see a capital 'O' with two dots above...

Strange, I see in your quote the O with the double dots on top.

Double dots on top, double dots above, capital O with umlaut, capital O with diaresis, it is the same thing...


Cheers, Michiel

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Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: Ö How do
you see it?

I see a capital 'O' with two dots above...

Strange, I see in your quote the O with the double dots on top.

Double dots on top, double dots above, capital O with umlaut,
capital O with diaresis, it is the same thing...

Be patient with me, It's late and my mind is vanishing! :D

--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Hello, Rob Swindell.
On 26/03/21 13:56 you wrote:

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: � How

do ??>> you see it? RS> As you described. :-) Strange again, in
your quote instead I see a strange symbol.

In my reply, your UTF-8 char was converted to the CP437
equivalent. Can your message reader not display CP437?

I think that the conversion corrupted the character.

BTW who cares about the O with the double dots on top? :D

(Now Michiel is departing from Netherlands with his axe, destination Rome!) :P :P :P

--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Re: Restricted access
By: Fabio Bizzi to Rob Swindell on Fri Mar 26 2021 11:25 pm

Hello, Rob Swindell.
On 26/03/21 13:56 you wrote:

Let's try: this is the O with the double dots on top: � How

do ??>> you see it? RS> As you described. :-) Strange again, in
your quote instead I see a strange symbol.

In my reply, your UTF-8 char was converted to the CP437
equivalent. Can your message reader not display CP437?

I think that the conversion corrupted the character.

I don't think so: it's character 153 in CP437 and appears just fine in my terminal (SyncTERM).
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Hello Fabio,

On Friday March 26 2021 23:25, you wrote to me:

Be patient with me, It's late and my mind is vanishing! :D

OK. ;-)

Now let's try it the other way around. Here again is a capital O with umlaut: �

But now my message is in CP850. What do you see?

My suspicion is that Hotdoged can do UTF-8 but does not do translation from one character encoding to another. Or not properly.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello, Michiel van der Vlist.
On 27/03/21 09:34 you wrote:

Now let's try it the other way around. Here again is a capital O
with umlaut: � But now my message is in CP850. What do you see? My suspicion is that Hotdoged can do UTF-8 but does not do
translation from one character encoding to another. Or not
properly.

I think you're right. Now I see the strange character with the "?" in the meddle that means "not recognized". :)

--
Ciao.
Fabio.
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Hello Fabio,

On Saturday March 27 2021 10:36, you wrote to me:

I think you're right. Now I see the strange character with the "?" in
the meddle that means "not recognized". :)

I do not know what special character you see, but I think it is clear that Hotdoged does not properly convert messages written in CP850, flagged with a "CHRS: CP850 2" kludge into UTF-8.

I do not know what else to test...


Cheers, Michiel

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Doesn't work, there's alwayd someone who won\t comply..

It's like strict gun control, it doesn't prevent people who are dead
set to do as they please regardless of the harm they cause others, but reducing the availability reduces the risk of abuse.

You're hosting the top-troll of Fidonet ...

Yes indeed.


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Wrote the host of the trolls ...

Whatever. Fact is Bj.rn does not give non-sysops access to sysop echos.

But he does give them access to netmail, where they write messages worded
to make one think they are a sysop (if they don't know better).


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On 28/03/2021 00:35, 12320/105 wrote:
 FB>>> Wrote the host of the trolls ...

Whatever. Fact is Bj.rn does not give non-sysops access to sysop echos.

But he does give them access to netmail, where they write messages worded to make one think they are a sysop (if they don't know better).

Do you not give your BBS users access to netmail?

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Regards
David

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On 28/03/2021 01:02, 12320/105 wrote:

reducing the availability reduces the risk of abuse.

You're hosting the top-troll of Fidonet ...

Yes indeed.

Was there a poll/vote on this?

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Regards
David

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Hello Mike,

On Saturday March 27 2021 10:35, you wrote to me:

Whatever. Fact is Bj�rn does not give non-sysops access to sysop
echos.

But he does give them access to netmail,

So? What is the problem with that. Netmail is what started Fidonet.

where they write messages worded to make one think they are a sysop
(if they don't know better).

Netmail is private. If the sysop does not want to check on and censor his user's netmail that is his choice. If the netmail is not welcome at the recipient's address the sysop at the receiving end can complain by netmail to the sysop of the sender.

It does not concern other sysops, so there is no need to address it here.


Cheers, Michiel

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