• Your BBS

    From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Sun Feb 21 16:41:00 2021
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    Did you get tired of using RemoteAccess or something ?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 21 16:25:19 2021
    Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Sun Feb 21 2021 16:41:00


    Did you get tired of using RemoteAccess or something ?

    being without power for several weeks due to Hurricane Florence killed that system... when we attempted to bring it back online, it didn't know how to init the HDs... since that was the last non-linux system in the herd, we
    decided to go ahead and move everything to linux... we tested a couple of different linux native BBSes over several days and selected the one that worked best for us and our HUB setup and allowed us to get back in operation as
    fast as possible while providing all the services and capabilities we had glued together with shoestring and bubblegum previously...


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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Thu Feb 25 21:37:00 2021
    Did you get tired of using RemoteAccess or something ?

    being without power for several weeks due to Hurricane Florence killed that system... when we attempted to bring it back online, it didn't
    know how to init the HDs... since that was the last non-linux system
    in the herd, we decided to go ahead and move everything to linux... we

    Didn't you backup your BBS ?

    Why not restore it to a virtual machine ?

    tested a couple of different linux native BBSes over several days and selected the one that worked best for us and our HUB setup and allowed
    us to get back in operation as fast as possible while providing all the services and capabilities we had glued together with shoestring and bubblegum previously...

    But it is the shoestring and gum that makes the BBS unique. Now you are like everybody else who pretends to run a unique system on Synchronet because they changed a few ANSI screens around.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 06:55:15 2021
    Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Thu Feb 25 2021 21:37:00

    being without power for several weeks due to Hurricane Florence killed that system... when we attempted to bring it back online, it didn't
    know how to init the HDs... since that was the last non-linux system
    in the herd, we decided to go ahead and move everything to linux... we

    Didn't you backup your BBS ?

    of course i did... that's how i was able to get my new system online so fast...

    Why not restore it to a virtual machine ?

    easier said than done... OS/2 is not so easily installed in a VM...

    tested a couple of different linux native BBSes over several days and selected the one that worked best for us and our HUB setup and allowed
    us to get back in operation as fast as possible while providing all the services and capabilities we had glued together with shoestring and bubblegum previously...

    But it is the shoestring and gum that makes the BBS unique. Now you are like everybody else who pretends to run a unique system on Synchronet because they changed a few ANSI screens around.

    that's my perogative, really... i just want the thing to run and provide the services i've been providing all these years... now it is a lot easier and i don't have things falling over because they're not made to go together
    in the first place... plus it is more than just a few ansi screens that i switched... my logon process is much different... i haven't completed my shell changes, either, but when i do, it will be different... for now, i'm
    content that it is running without problems and i'm able to function properly as one of the top tier star meshed hubs... more than that is gravy...


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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Thu Feb 25 09:06:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to MARK LEWIS <=-

    tested a couple of different linux native BBSes over several days and selected the one that worked best for us and our HUB setup and allowed
    us to get back in operation as fast as possible while providing all the services and capabilities we had glued together with shoestring and bubblegum previously...

    But it is the shoestring and gum that makes the BBS unique. Now
    you are like everybody else who pretends to run a unique system
    on Synchronet because they changed a few ANSI screens around.

    Uh-huh. So what kind of "unique" system are YOU running? What
    customizations have YOU made? Do you have a BBS? What's the address?



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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Feb 28 16:46:00 2021
    But it is the shoestring and gum that makes the BBS unique. Now
    you are like everybody else who pretends to run a unique system
    on Synchronet because they changed a few ANSI screens around.

    Uh-huh. So what kind of "unique" system are YOU running? What customizations have YOU made? Do you have a BBS? What's the address?

    Did I touch a nerve ? Are you one of those people who pretend to run a unique system on Synchronet by changing some ANSI screens ?

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else is using.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Sun Feb 28 16:49:00 2021
    of course i did... that's how i was able to get my new system online
    so fast...
    Why not restore it to a virtual machine ?

    easier said than done... OS/2 is not so easily installed in a VM...

    Don't people use ArcaOS nowadays ?

    that's my perogative, really... i just want the thing to run and
    provide the services i've been providing all these years... now it is
    a lot easier and i don't have things falling over because they're not
    made to go together in the first place... plus it is more than just a
    few ansi screens that i switched... my logon process is much
    different... i haven't completed my shell changes, either, but when i
    do, it will be different... for now, i'm content that it is running without problems and i'm able to function properly as one of the top
    tier star meshed hubs... more than that is gravy...

    I am surprised you have not resurrected Waldo's Place. Don't you feel like all that work is for nothing otherwise ?

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/360 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 09:28:16 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Like Concord maybe?

    'Tommi

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 05:05:38 2021
    On 28 Feb 21 16:46:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Dan Clough:

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else is usi

    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    Nick

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Nick Andre on Sun Feb 28 12:16:02 2021
    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else
    is usi

    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the only D'bridge addict in Fidonet.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb.19 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ward Dossche on Sun Feb 28 06:18:18 2021
    On 28 Feb 21 12:16:02, Ward Dossche said the following to Nick Andre:

    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the only D'bridge addict in Fidonet.

    There are many addicts nowadays...

    Nick

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    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 04:57:33 2021
    Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Sun Feb 28 2021 16:49:00


    easier said than done... OS/2 is not so easily installed in a VM...

    Don't people use ArcaOS nowadays ?

    those that have the $$$ to spend on it, sure...

    I am surprised you have not resurrected Waldo's Place. Don't you
    feel like all that work is for nothing otherwise ?

    no, i don't feel like that... my RA setup had a grand run... development stopped, there's no more support, and it is time to move on to newer software that is much more modern... RA was 16 bit and closed source... my
    synchronet build is 64bit and open source... i can fix bugs in it or even change and add things if i want without needing approval or support from anyone... the differences are black and white...


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  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 12:25:46 2021
    Hello Marceline.

    28 Feb 21 16:49, you wrote to MARK LEWIS:

    @BBSID: VERT
    of course i did... that's how i was able to get my new system
    online so fast...
    Why not restore it to a virtual machine ?

    easier said than done... OS/2 is not so easily installed in a
    VM...

    Don't people use ArcaOS nowadays ?

    not me :-)


    regards,
    Daniel

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 08:17:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

    But it is the shoestring and gum that makes the BBS unique. Now
    you are like everybody else who pretends to run a unique system
    on Synchronet because they changed a few ANSI screens around.

    Uh-huh. So what kind of "unique" system are YOU running? What customizations have YOU made? Do you have a BBS? What's the address?

    Did I touch a nerve ? Are you one of those people who pretend to
    run a unique system on Synchronet by changing some ANSI screens ?

    You didn't answer any of my questions. I guess you're not running a
    BBS, eh?

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Right. Everyone should just write their very own BBS software. Is that
    what you do? Oh! That's right! You don't run a BBS.

    Thanks for the chuckle.



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  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194.2 to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 10:48:10 2021
    Quoting Marceline Jones to Dan Clough <=-

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else
    is using.

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.



    []s
    *
    Mauro R. Veiga - abutre.no-ip.org:2323
    ij


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  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194.2 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 1 08:28:05 2021
    Quoting Ward Dossche to Nick Andre <=-

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else
    is usi

    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the only D'bridge
    addict in Fidonet.

    And I'm the only one using the INDIGO Point software in Fidonet. :-)



    []'s

    Mauro R. Veiga abutre.no-ip.org:2323 *


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mauro Veiga on Mon Mar 1 18:41:13 2021
    Mauro,

    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the only D'bridge
    addict in Fidonet.

    And I'm the only one using the INDIGO Point software in Fidonet. :-)

    Ahhhh ... we can't all be perfect.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Feb.19 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194.1 to Ward Dossche on Mon Mar 1 18:32:32 2021
    Hello, Ward Dossche.
    On 01/03/2021 18:41 you wrote:

    Mauro,
    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the
    only D'bridge WD> addict in Fidonet. And I'm the only one
    using the INDIGO Point software in Fidonet. :-)
    Ahhhh ... we can't all be perfect.

    ROTFL! :-D
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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Mar 7 17:46:00 2021
    Did I touch a nerve ? Are you one of those people who pretend to
    run a unique system on Synchronet by changing some ANSI screens ?

    You didn't answer any of my questions. I guess you're not running a
    BBS, eh?

    Why do you deserve to have your questions answered ?

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Right. Everyone should just write their very own BBS software. Is
    that what you do? Oh! That's right! You don't run a BBS.

    Why does anybody need to write their own BBS software in order to run software that nobody else is using ?

    I suggest you pay more attention to details because (1) it is evident that you misread what I said, (2) you make foolish assumptions, and (3) you sound like an imbecile.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to TOMMI KOIVULA on Sun Mar 7 17:50:00 2021
    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Like Concord maybe?

    There are tonnes of unused BBS software on bbsdocumentary.

    No matter how much people try to mod their Synchronet BBS, they cannot get rid of the Synchronet smell.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to NICK ANDRE on Sun Mar 7 17:55:00 2021
    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else is usi

    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    Was this before or after the year 2000 ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 7 17:56:00 2021
    Don't people use ArcaOS nowadays ?

    those that have the $$$ to spend on it, sure...

    I am surprised you have not resurrected Waldo's Place. Don't you
    feel like all that work is for nothing otherwise ?

    no, i don't feel like that... my RA setup had a grand run...
    development stopped, there's no more support, and it is time to move
    on to newer software that is much more modern... RA was 16 bit and
    closed source... my synchronet build is 64bit and open source... i can
    fix bugs in it or even change and add things if i want without needing approval or support from anyone... the differences are black and
    white...

    People spout open source like it is practical for anybody to change whatever they want. But in reality, when was the last time you committed a Synchronet patch ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MAURO VEIGA on Sun Mar 7 17:57:00 2021
    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else
    is using.

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 01:06:31 2021
    On 07 Mar 21 17:55:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    Was this before or after the year 2000 ?

    Oh after. When The Titantic BBS shutdown - that was apparently the only other board in Fido running Renegade and actively doing development - I was
    seemingly the only one left for at least a few years. That board resurfaced recently though along with some others so unfortunately I lost those
    particular bragging-rights.

    Pretty much everyone else I knew that was into Renegade faded away or went off to Synchronet and Mystic. I've heard some Sysops call Mystic "Renegade on steroids" but to me its a completely different animal entirely.

    I noticed in another message you brought up MajorBBS.... oh man that was a blast. I was also a huge fan of TBBS and Searchlight. But Wildcat? Mehhhhhh.... all that yellow-and-white gave me headaches, lol.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 07:11:26 2021
    Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 07 2021 17:56:00


    People spout open source like it is practical for anybody to change whatever they want.

    and some spout things about archiving messages using techniques and methods that were not considered, capable of being done, or even a fleeting thought back in the day... especially in a *hobby* network where 95% of the
    available software was written by amateurs, high schoolers, and had no real documentation in place...

    But in reality, when was the last time you committed a Synchronet patch ?

    why don't you take a look for yourself... the tools are available...

    FWIW: most of my work and contributions were in tickit.js and tickitcfg.js but i also provided a series of patches to clean up the dosemu setup routine and execution... other than that, i have provided a bit of input here and
    there on other parts of synchronet... input that was used to further the capabilities of sbbs on the FTN side of the fence...

    it should also be noted that i'm (still) not comfortable using code repositories so all of my work was submitted to someone else who them committed it to the repo... sometimes as written; sometimes with slight modification...
    attribution may have been given to me via one of three or four names/handles that i commonly use...


    )\/(ark
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 08:32:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to TOMMI KOIVULA <=-

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Like Concord maybe?

    There are tonnes of unused BBS software on bbsdocumentary.

    No matter how much people try to mod their Synchronet BBS, they
    cannot get rid of the Synchronet smell.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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    If you hate Synchronet so much, why do you post from the Synchronet
    author's BBS? LOL



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 08:35:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to MAURO VEIGA <=-

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else
    is using.

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Then your system is mis-configured. Works fine for me.



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to mark lewis on Sun Mar 7 08:42:00 2021
    mark lewis wrote to Marceline Jones <=-

    People spout open source like it is practical for anybody to change whatever they want.

    and some spout things about archiving messages using techniques
    and methods that were not considered, capable of being done, or
    even a fleeting thought back in the day... especially in a
    *hobby* network where 95% of the available software was written
    by amateurs, high schoolers, and had no real documentation in
    place...

    Yup, and all while insulting those who use software which is not
    "unique". It is FAR more practical to make changes to open source
    software than it is to think that archiving every single Fidonet message
    ever written is even POSSIBLE.

    But in reality, when was the last time you committed a Synchronet patch ?

    why don't you take a look for yourself... the tools are
    available...

    FWIW: most of my work and contributions were in tickit.js and
    tickitcfg.js but i also provided a series of patches to clean up
    the dosemu setup routine and execution... other than that, i have
    provided a bit of input here and there on other parts of
    synchronet... input that was used to further the capabilities of
    sbbs on the FTN side of the fence...

    I can confirm that the above is true. He has also personally helped me
    with some other Synchronet-related tweaks and fixes.


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  • From Morgul@1:123/126 to Dan Clough on Sun Mar 7 11:25:38 2021
    BY: Dan Clough(1:123/115)


    |11DC|09> |07
    |11DC|09> |10MJ> atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24|07
    |11DC|09> |10MJ> NO CARRIER|07
    |11DC|09> |07
    |11DC|09> |10Then your system is mis-configured. Works fine for me.|07

    Not to get into the middle of this pissing match, but FYI, it works fine for me as well.

    -Craig

    --- WWIV 5.7.0.development
    * Origin: ** The Trading Post [SOUTH] BBS - Columbia, SC ** (1:123/126)
  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194.1 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 7 13:29:00 2021
    Ola Marceline!

    ** 07.03.21 - 17:57, Marceline Jones wrote to MAURO VEIGA:

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody else
    is using.

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Working fine here:

    ----------------------->8--------------------
    GAP Communications - Version 6.7/M99
    (C) Copyright 1987-2017 Kenny Gardner

    Welcome To Valhalla II BBS - Node 1

    Connection Established On 03/07/2021 At 11:26
    (Telnet Connection)

    Please Enter Your First Name :
    ----------------------->8--------------------

    []'s
    |
    ---------------- telnet://abutre.no-ip.org:2323 ----------- * ------
    |


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    * Origin: Point da Coruja - Brasil * (4:801/194.1)
  • From Daniel Path@2:371/52 to Dan Clough on Sun Mar 7 19:23:11 2021
    Hello Dan.

    07 Mar 21 08:35, you wrote to Marceline Jones:

    @BBSID: PALANT
    Marceline Jones wrote to MAURO VEIGA <=-

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Then your system is mis-configured. Works fine for me.

    for me:

    o Net2BBS - Resolving your IP Address...

    then Disconnect..

    --
    Daniel

    --- GoldED+/EMX 1.1.4.7
    * Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (2:371/52)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to NICK ANDRE on Sun Mar 14 16:53:00 2021
    For a long time I was the only Renegade BBS in Fido.

    Was this before or after the year 2000 ?

    Oh after. When The Titantic BBS shutdown - that was apparently the
    only other board in Fido running Renegade and actively doing
    development - I was seemingly the only one left for at least a few
    years. That board resurfaced recently though along with some others so unfortunately I lost those particular bragging-rights.

    It seems 2020 saw a small renaissance for BBS's. Maybe COVID had something to do with it.

    Pretty much everyone else I knew that was into Renegade faded away or
    went off to Synchronet and Mystic. I've heard some Sysops call Mystic "Renegade on steroids" but to me its a completely different animal entirely.

    I heard Renegade was a WWIV clone. That is why I avoid it.

    I am interested in BBS software that possess notable cultural, historical and feature differences. Maximus and RemoteAccess went head to head for a while. WWIV had a stigmatised community, PCBoard is the defacto standard for warez, Major BBS had MUDS, TBBS specialised in hardware optimisation, Wildcat had roles-based security. They all have their own way of doing things which made them great.

    I always wanted to try TBBS. A few days ago I was searching for TBBS manuals and found a dropbox archive that contained everything:

    - TBBS 2.3 32 node
    - TIMS
    - QSO
    - SYSOM
    - Interchange
    - TIGER
    - IPAD
    - Games
    - All manuals

    (https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8bv6ipye46j7tx/tbbs.zip).

    w00t !

    I noticed in another message you brought up MajorBBS.... oh man that
    was a blast. I was also a huge fan of TBBS and Searchlight. But
    Wildcat? Mehhhhhh.... all that yellow-and-white gave me headaches,
    lol.

    I was never fond of the default Wildcat color scheme. I wondered how people could tolerate all that brightness.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 14 16:54:00 2021
    why don't you take a look for yourself... the tools are available...

    FWIW: most of my work and contributions were in tickit.js and
    tickitcfg.js but i also provided a series of patches to clean up the dosemu setup routine and execution... other than that, i have provided
    a bit of input here and there on other parts of synchronet... input
    that was used to further the capabilities of sbbs on the FTN side of
    the fence...

    Updating JavaScript is like changing an extension in PPL, IPL, MEX, wcCode etc. I am talking about modifying core code. Did you at least run a build ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Mar 14 16:55:00 2021
    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Then your system is mis-configured. Works fine for me.

    You sound like a jumping to wrong conclusions expert.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Mar 14 16:56:00 2021
    No matter how much people try to mod their Synchronet BBS, they
    cannot get rid of the Synchronet smell.

    If you hate Synchronet so much, why do you post from the Synchronet author's BBS? LOL

    Because Vertrauen grants full access on the first call, which is better than BBS's that have stupid limits eg. low online time per day, do not verify their users and allow posting privileges within 24 hrs, or ask for people's phone numbers and introductory messages.

    Do you run a BBS with stupid restrictions and rules ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MAURO VEIGA on Sun Mar 14 16:57:00 2021
    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Working fine here:

    It was down when I called it.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 08:36:13 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 14 2021 16:54:00


    Updating JavaScript is like changing an extension in PPL, IPL,
    MEX, wcCode etc.

    no it isn't... you're ignorance is showing...

    I am talking about modifying core code.

    core code of what?

    Did you at least run a build ?

    build of what?


    )\/(ark
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    * Origin: SouthEast Star Mail HUB - SESTAR (1:3634/12)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 08:53:18 2021
    On 14 Mar 21 16:53:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

    I always wanted to try TBBS. A few days ago I was searching for TBBS manual and found a dropbox archive that contained everything:

    I have all of that TBBS stuff in my archives as well. Not that dropbox one
    you mentioned but from some other compilation. Then there was all the stuff from Usenet and www.tbbs.org when that site was alive. Not sure if the link you have is basically the same thing.

    Do you have a copy of the VHS installation videos for it? :) I do...

    You need either Tipx or this other program written by some guy from the website that passes a telnet connection from a Windows computer to Tipx. I forget which one.

    The manuals for TBBS and especially Tims are crucial. There is no freaking way you can get Fido working with Tims unless you had the manuals. You also need Flame as the tosser. TBBS really only works with Tims/Flame.

    I wrote a couple utilities for TBBS which one was used by a very large Fido hub in the 90's. John Souvestre was his name... he went off and ran a large
    ISP somewhere down south.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 09:42:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:
    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Then your system is mis-configured. Works fine for me.

    You sound like a jumping to wrong conclusions expert.

    Nope. Works properly here, and for multiple other people. It's just
    you that has problems. Hmmmm.... where does the trouble exist?



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 09:43:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

    No matter how much people try to mod their Synchronet BBS, they
    cannot get rid of the Synchronet smell.

    If you hate Synchronet so much, why do you post from the Synchronet author's BBS? LOL

    Because Vertrauen grants full access on the first call, which is
    better than BBS's that have stupid limits eg. low online time per
    day, do not verify their users and allow posting privileges
    within 24 hrs, or ask for people's phone numbers and introductory messages.

    Do you run a BBS with stupid restrictions and rules ?

    No, but I do run a BBS. Do you?



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 14:11:29 2021
    I heard Renegade was a WWIV clone. That is why I avoid it.

    Good reason to not look at it. Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard of.

    I am interested in BBS software that possess notable cultural, historical a feature differences. Maximus and RemoteAccess went head to head for a while

    You mean like almost EVERY BBS in the 90s was running it? You could do (AND STILL CAN!), do anything to it. http://www.rgbbs.info for a qucik download.

    w00t !

    Please don't.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 14 14:12:36 2021
    Because Vertrauen grants full access on the first call, which is better tha BBS's that have stupid limits eg. low online time per day, do not verify th users and allow posting privileges within 24 hrs, or ask for people's phone numbers and introductory messages.

    I have full access on first call ... just need real name, and real birthday (for doors and adult areas -- msgs, doors). ttb.rgbbs.info

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194.1 to Marceline Jones on Mon Mar 15 09:31:00 2021
    Ola Marceline!

    ** 14.03.21 - 16:57, Marceline Jones wrote to MAURO VEIGA:

    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Working fine here:

    It was down when I called it.

    Maintenance or ip filtering, maybe. Try again - is a nice GAP system.

    []'s
    |
    ---------------- telnet://abutre.no-ip.org:2323 ----------- * ------
    |


    --- OpenXP 5.0.49
    * Origin: Point da Coruja - Brasil * (4:801/194.1)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Mar 21 10:08:00 2021
    Do you run a BBS with stupid restrictions and rules ?

    No, but I do run a BBS. Do you?

    Yes.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Mar 21 10:09:00 2021
    I get:
    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Then your system is mis-configured. Works fine for me.

    You sound like a jumping to wrong conclusions expert.

    Nope. Works properly here, and for multiple other people. It's just
    you that has problems. Hmmmm.... where does the trouble exist?

    But it is not due to misconfiguration.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 21 10:17:00 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to MARK LEWIS on Sun Mar 14 2021 16:54:00


    Updating JavaScript is like changing an extension in PPL, IPL,
    MEX, wcCode etc.

    no it isn't... you're ignorance is showing...

    Yes it is. Sycnchronet can run without a few .js files.

    I am talking about modifying core code.

    core code of what?

    Maybe something in the sbbs_t namespace.

    Did you at least run a build ?

    build of what?

    Like "make all".

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sun Mar 21 10:24:00 2021
    I heard Renegade was a WWIV clone. That is why I avoid it.

    Good reason to not look at it. Thats the dumbest thing I ever heard
    of.
    I am interested in BBS software that possess notable cultural, historical a
    feature differences. Maximus and RemoteAccess went head to head for a while

    WWIV -> Telegard -> Renegade.

    Wolf -> Coyote -> Dog.

    You mean like almost EVERY BBS in the 90s was running it? You could
    do (AND STILL CAN!), do anything to it. http://www.rgbbs.info for
    a qucik download.

    You are telling fibs.

    The data I have indicates Renegade deployments were less than 1%:

    ==================================================
    Australian BBS Listing
    Release: 9607 Mon 24 Jun 1996

    Software Count
    Ezycom 191
    RemoteAccess 182
    Maximus 141
    RemoteAccess+ 85
    ProBoard 50
    Wildcat! 50
    RemoteAccess/Pro 44
    Maximus/2 32
    M A X's BBS 30
    Excalibur 27
    SuperBBS 23
    Opus 18
    PCBoard 18
    The Major BBS 16
    CNet 13
    Xenolink 13
    FirstClass 10
    GTPower 10
    Searchlight 10
    TBBS 10
    Worldgroup 10
    Telefinder 8
    Spitfire 7
    TBBS 16 Line 7
    TransAmiga 7
    DLG Pro 6
    Excelsior 6
    TBBS 4 Line 5
    TriBBS 5
    TBBS 64 Line 4
    VBBS 4
    DarkStar 3
    KBBS 3
    Lora 3
    Osiris XLT 3
    PowerBBS 3
    RoboBoard/FX 3
    Xenolink Pro 3
    AdeptXBBS 2
    ArcBBS 2
    Citadel 2
    EDRBBS 2
    Excelsior! 2
    MEBBS 2
    MediaHost 2
    QuickBBS/ST 2
    RBBS 2
    RemoteAccess/Excalibur 2
    Renegade 2
    RoboBoard 2
    Star-Net 2
    AdaptXBBS 1
    Adept 1
    AdeptBBS 1
    Citadel BBS 1
    CoreMat 1
    Custom 1
    Custom + Unix Shell 1
    Delta 95 1
    Dynacomm 1
    EzyCom 1.10 1
    Ezycom 1.20 1
    Ezycom+ 1
    Falcon 1
    Fido 1
    First Class 1
    GAP 1
    Gap Communications 1
    GBBS Pro 1
    GrapeVine BBS 1
    Hermes 1
    Hermes II 1
    HI-TECH 1
    Iniquity 1
    Linux 1
    Linux/CNet 1
    LoraBBS/2 1
    Major BBS 1
    MaximusP 1
    Maxiums 1
    MEBBSNet 1
    Media Host 1
    MegaHost 1
    Omega 1
    Osiris 1
    OzMetro 1
    PC-Board 1
    PCBoard/M 1
    Plutonic 1
    Proboard // 1
    ProBoard+ 1
    QuickBBS 1
    RBBS-PC 1
    RemoteAcces+ 1
    RemoteAccess Pro 1
    Serachlight 1
    Skyline 1
    TBBS & Xchange 1
    TBBS [16] 1
    TBBS 32 Line 1
    Telegard 1
    TSX BBS 1
    Unix 1
    Unix Shell 1
    USENET, Nifty News 1
    Waffle 1
    Wildcat 1
    Wildcat! 5 for NT 1
    WinBBS 1
    WWIV 1
    XBBS 1
    Xenix BBS 1
    Grand Total 1150 ==================================================

    Source: http://mirror3.fido.odessa.ua/ARCHIVE/bbs/bbs9607.zip

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to NICK ANDRE on Sun Mar 21 10:25:00 2021
    Do you have a copy of the VHS installation videos for it? :) I do...

    I saw some videos on Internet Archive and YouTube basically selling TBBS as the best thing since sliced bread.

    You need either Tipx or this other program written by some guy from
    the website that passes a telnet connection from a Windows computer to Tipx. I forget which one.

    Looks like the dropbox packager knew what he was doing:

    ==================================================
    26/11/2018 03:51p 141,701 FLAMEDSK.ZIP
    26/11/2018 03:51p 258,140 flamey2k.zip
    26/11/2018 03:51p 336,034 FLAME_11.ZIP
    26/11/2018 03:51p 227,850 TIMS 1-1.ZIP
    26/11/2018 03:51p 1,886 TIMSY2K.ZIP
    26/11/2018 03:51p 56,165 tipx.zip ==================================================

    The manuals for TBBS and especially Tims are crucial. There is no
    freaking way you can get Fido working with Tims unless you had the manuals. You also need Flame as the tosser. TBBS really only works
    with Tims/Flame.

    Yes, the official-looking "TBBS.DOC" that comes with v2.2 did not contain a table of contents which was the first warning sign. The file even says so:

    ==================================================
    the documentation and instructional material normally supplied
    with TBBS (which includes two printed manuals and an introductory
    videotape) is not included. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT ALTHOUGH
    THIS FILE IS HERE TO ASSIST YOU IN EXPLORING TBBS, IT IS BY NO
    MEANS A COMPLETE OR COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRODUCT! ==================================================

    I wrote a couple utilities for TBBS which one was used by a very large Fido hub in the 90's. John Souvestre was his name... he went off and
    ran a large ISP somewhere down south.

    Did you make any money ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sun Mar 21 10:27:00 2021
    Because Vertrauen grants full access on the first call, which is better tha
    BBS's that have stupid limits eg. low online time per day, do not verify th
    users and allow posting privileges within 24 hrs, or ask for people's phone
    numbers and introductory messages.

    I have full access on first call ... just need real name, and real birthday (for doors and adult areas -- msgs, doors). ttb.rgbbs.info

    That is already too much personal identifiable information. In some places people can obtain your medical history and birth certificate with just that.

    What makes you think they will give you their real details anyway ? and how would you verify it ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to MAURO VEIGA on Sun Mar 21 10:29:00 2021
    Try Valhalla - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24 - C.G. Learn run a nice
    GAP-BBS system.

    I get:

    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Working fine here:

    It was down when I called it.

    Maintenance or ip filtering, maybe. Try again - is a nice GAP system.

    Probably.

    I made it to the main menu, but the connection did not last long.

    Valhalla BBS looks ok.

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 04:47:23 2021
    On 21 Mar 21 10:25:00, Marceline Jones said the following to Nick Andre:

    Do you have a copy of the VHS installation videos for it? :) I do...

    I saw some videos on Internet Archive and YouTube basically selling TBBS as the best thing since sliced bread.

    The installation video I have begins with "Put the install floppy into the
    disk drive and type A:\INSTALL" all the way through the configuration of
    a Digiboard and understanding the menu system compiler... yes... menu system *compiler*. Its fascinating.

    There was a time when I seriously considered switching to TBBS after it appeared that Renegade's developement was in limbo but unfortunately it had its quirks and limitations in the message storage. It would not run
    correctly on Windows 2000 at the time as its essentially its own multitasker meant for a real DOS machine just like MajorBBS 6.

    I wrote a couple utilities for TBBS which one was used by a very large Fido hub in the 90's. John Souvestre was his name... he went off and ran a large ISP somewhere down south.

    Did you make any money ?

    Nah, they were just little crude things that manipulated some text-files needed by the Flame tosser and message system. They weren't useful to anyone other than those who ran hub-systems that didn't want to babysit area maintenance.

    Same thing with Searchlight, wrote utilities to auto-create areas and auto-generate the configuration for its Slmail interface. Wrote the same for Renegade to mirror the D'Bridge area configuration.

    Always hated having to configure areas twice...

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From C.g. Learn@1:275/95 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 13:11:22 2021
    I get:
    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Since this is my BBS you are takling about, what is going on. That is a
    valid address to telnet into my GAP BBS. What client are you using, may
    I suggest using a quality client like Syncterm or ZOC, that renders the
    ansi correctly. I'm not understanding why you are using a dialup command
    to log into a telnet bbs. I have callers logging into my 3 systems
    everyday of the week, with no issues, so I have to assume the problem
    lies on your end with the client software you are using, or the setup of
    that software. Give me some info, and I will try to help.

    << C.G. >>

    --- GAPNetW - Ver 6.7
    * Origin: Valhalla II - bbs.valhallabbs.com - Richmond, VA.! (1:275/95)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 16:00:59 2021
    Australian BBS Listing

    Holy shit! Where did you have to dig to find this obsecure bullshit. Try North America where most of the BBSing took place. Would tell a 1000% different story in 1996.

    WWIV -> Telegard -> Renegade.

    Renegade wasn't based off Telegard. It was from WWIV if any .... and my code base is no where NEAR either, and it's a long way from when I got the code
    in 2003.


    You can't compare any of those. I can smell a Telegard board just by it's look and feel. With WWIV being updated, its nothing like it used to be. And I last released a version of Renegade in Oct. of last year.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 16:03:57 2021
    What makes you think they will give you their real details anyway ? and how would you verify it ?

    Then make up a real sounding REAL NAME .... not "ass ass" ... like a friggin' loser.

    It's not that hard to sound legit.

    That is already too much personal identifiable information. In some places people can obtain your medical history and birth certificate with just that

    Didnt know you were in a 3rd world country.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Marceline Jones on Sun Mar 21 16:14:06 2021
    No, but I do run a BBS. Do you?

    Yes.

    Well it's funny, you post all this nonsense bullcrap from 1990 about software, yet you aren't a fidonet node, don't list your bbs, and 10 to 1 if you run one, I'd say it's a synchronet board that isn't even configured past default.

    So, put up or shut up.

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sat Mar 27 10:26:00 2021
    Didnt know you were in a 3rd world country.

    Are you a bigot ?

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sat Mar 27 10:27:00 2021
    No, but I do run a BBS. Do you?

    Yes.

    Well it's funny, you post all this nonsense bullcrap from 1990 about software, yet you aren't a fidonet node, don't list your bbs, and 10 to
    1 if you run one, I'd say it's a synchronet board that isn't even configured past default.
    So, put up or shut up.

    Your claim that Renegade was used prolifically and that FrontDoor is just a mailer that has nothing to do with BBS software have been debunked. Then you resort to fallacious tactics to discredit my statements by implying that I am unqualified, rather than use evidence to substantiate your claims. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to T.J. MCMILLEN on Sat Mar 27 10:38:00 2021
    Australian BBS Listing

    Holy shit! Where did you have to dig to find this obsecure bullshit.
    Try North America where most of the BBSing took place. Would tell a 1000% different story in 1996.

    Where is the comparable data set for US BBS listings ? (usbbs.org has no files).

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to C.G. LEARN on Sat Mar 27 10:39:00 2021
    I get:
    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Since this is my BBS you are takling about, what is going on. That is
    a valid address to telnet into my GAP BBS. What client are you using,
    may I suggest using a quality client like Syncterm or ZOC, that
    renders the ansi correctly. I'm not understanding why you are using a dialup command to log into a telnet bbs. I have callers logging into my
    3 systems everyday of the week, with no issues, so I have to assume
    the problem lies on your end with the client software you are using,
    or the setup of that software. Give me some info, and I will try to
    help.

    Your BBS rejects calls from all analog modem terminal programs as port scans (eg. Telix, Terminate, Qmodem, Procomm etc). The only client that works is SyncTerm.

    Besides, you have denied my access:

    ͻ
    MARCELINE JONES

    I am sorry to inform you that access to Valhalla II BBS is
    being denied to you because of unacceptable behavior! The
    most common causes for being LOCKED OUT of this system are
    1. Fake Phone Number or Address Information. We asked you
    to be honest when you created the account. We try to
    keep accurate information on all of our members. Nobody
    will see this info but me!
    2. Flaming, uploading non shareware type files, files that
    contain virii, threating or misleading conduct to anothe
    member of this system, allowing your account to be used
    by anyone other than yourself, Etc....
    If you feel that this is an error, or you wish to send me
    the correct info to gain access, you can contact me by:
    1. Writing a letter to this address: C.G. Learn
    3907 Beechmont Rd.
    Richmond, Va. 23235
    2. Sending an Email to: ValhallaHomeServices@comcast.net ͼ

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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:124/5014.2 to Nick Andre on Fri Mar 26 20:41:15 2021
    Holy shit! Where did you have to dig to find this obsecure bullshit. Try North America where most of the BBSing took place. Would tell a 1000% different story in 1996.

    Where is the comparable data set for US BBS listings ? (usbbs.org has no files).

    I love how she like Renegade was not the most widely used BBS software in 90s in North America ....

    ... Beer. It's not just for breakfast anymore!

    --- Renegade v1.22/DOS
    * Origin: PB Renegade (gapbbs.rdfig.net:2424) Mesquite, Tx (1:124/5014.2)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri Mar 26 22:04:24 2021
    On 26 Mar 21 20:41:15, T.J. Mcmillen said the following to Nick Andre:

    Where is the comparable data set for US BBS listings ? (usbbs.org has no files).

    I love how she like Renegade was not the most widely used BBS software in 9 in North America ....

    Its "widely used" here at home... by me.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sat Mar 27 08:25:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to T.J. MCMILLEN <=-

    No, but I do run a BBS. Do you?

    Yes.

    Well it's funny, you post all this nonsense bullcrap from 1990 about software, yet you aren't a fidonet node, don't list your bbs, and 10 to
    1 if you run one, I'd say it's a synchronet board that isn't even configured past default.
    So, put up or shut up.

    Your claim that Renegade was used prolifically and that FrontDoor
    is just a mailer that has nothing to do with BBS software have
    been debunked. Then you resort to fallacious tactics to discredit
    my statements by implying that I am unqualified, rather than use
    evidence to substantiate your claims. You should be ashamed of
    yourself.

    Distraction and deflection. Standard tactics from a bullshitter.

    You were asked (more than once) to state your BBS's address. You have
    failed to do so. Therefore the logical conclusion is that you do not
    run a BBS. Prove otherwise or continue to be laughed at.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sat Mar 27 08:27:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to C.G. LEARN <=-

    I get:
    atdt bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    NO CARRIER

    Since this is my BBS you are takling about, what is going on. That is
    a valid address to telnet into my GAP BBS. What client are you using,
    may I suggest using a quality client like Syncterm or ZOC, that
    renders the ansi correctly. I'm not understanding why you are using a dialup command to log into a telnet bbs. I have callers logging into my
    3 systems everyday of the week, with no issues, so I have to assume
    the problem lies on your end with the client software you are using,
    or the setup of that software. Give me some info, and I will try to
    help.

    Your BBS rejects calls from all analog modem terminal programs as
    port scans (eg. Telix, Terminate, Qmodem, Procomm etc). The only
    client that works is SyncTerm.

    Besides, you have denied my access:

    .==============================================================.
    I MARCELINE JONES I
    I I
    I I am sorry to inform you that access to Valhalla II BBS is I
    I being denied to you because of unacceptable behavior! The I
    I most common causes for being LOCKED OUT of this system are I
    I 1. Fake Phone Number or Address Information. We asked you I
    I to be honest when you created the account. We try to I
    I keep accurate information on all of our members. Nobody I
    I will see this info but me! I
    I 2. Flaming, uploading non shareware type files, files that I
    I contain virii, threating or misleading conduct to anothe I
    I member of this system, allowing your account to be used I
    I by anyone other than yourself, Etc.... I
    I If you feel that this is an error, or you wish to send me I
    I the correct info to gain access, you can contact me by: I
    I 1. Writing a letter to this address: C.G. Learn I
    I 3907 Beechmont Rd. I
    I Richmond, Va. 23235 I
    I 2. Sending an Email to: ValhallaHomeServices@comcast.net I `=============================================================='

    Hahahahahahahahahaha! Perfect. Karma at work.



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  • From C.g. Learn@1:275/95 to Marceline Jones on Sat Mar 27 15:48:59 2021
    Your BBS rejects calls from all analog modem terminal programs as port sca (eg. Telix, Terminate, Qmodem, Procomm etc). The only client that works is SyncTerm.


    Telex, Terminate, Qmodem, and Procom are far from telnet clients.
    Syncterm worked as it is a telnet client. I have updated the Net2bbs
    front end to the newest version, so you should not have problems. If you
    want, you can also visit my website at bbs.valhallabbs.com, and I have
    set up ftelnet to each one of my systems for people that don't have the correct clients, or you can log into my sbbs system by telnet, and
    choose option 2 or 3, and be ported to my gap or ra bbs.

    Besides, you have denied my access:
    I am sorry to inform you that access to Valhalla II BBS is
    being denied to you because of unacceptable behavior! The
    most common causes for being LOCKED OUT of this system are
    1. Fake Phone Number or Address Information. We asked you
    to be honest when you created the account. We try to
    keep accurate information on all of our members. Nobody
    will see this info but me!

    This is an old style bbs, and the opening screen with the rules and regs
    asked you to give true and honest info, and that only the sysop sees
    this info, Here is the info you entered. I hardly call that true info.

    Address 1 : 1 ADDRESS
    Address 2 : STREET
    Home Phone : (123)456-7890
    Work Phone : (123)456-7890

    I have however honered your request, and have upgraded your security.

    Rules are in place on most BBS system, set up by the sysop. If you can't
    follow the rules, most sysops will lock you out as well. If you are a
    sysop yourself, and I'm guessing you are, as you have access to this
    echo, I'm sure you have rules in place on your system also. It's real
    simple, if you don't like the rules, drop carrier and find another
    system. Not all of my systems are this rigid. Above all, relax, have
    fun, and play fair.

    << C.G. >>

    --- GAPNetW - Ver 6.7
    * Origin: Valhalla II - bbs.valhallabbs.com - Richmond, VA.! (1:275/95)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to C.g. Learn on Sun Mar 28 14:45:18 2021
    Hello C,

    On Saturday March 27 2021 16:48, you wrote to Marceline Jones:

    If you are a sysop yourself, and I'm guessing you are, as you have
    access to this echo,

    Wrong guess. It is a gate crasher.


    Cheers, Michiel

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    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From C.g. Learn@1:275/95 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Sun Mar 28 12:58:54 2021
    If you are a sysop yourself, and I'm guessing you are, as you have access to this echo,

    Wrong guess. It is a gate crasher.

    It figures. I'm not going to entertain her anymore. I've read enough of
    her messages to realize what is what. Thanks for the heads up.

    << C.G. >>

    --- GAPNetW - Ver 6.7
    * Origin: Valhalla II - bbs.valhallabbs.com - Richmond, VA.! (1:275/95)
  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:103/705 to Tommi Koivula on Mon Mar 29 08:47:06 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Tommi Koivula to Marceline Jones on Sun Feb 28 2021 09:28 am

    You want to see a unique system ? then use software that nobody
    else is using.

    Like Concord maybe?

    you know what's funny? at the time i started running sync/2 back in the day, there were probably only a handful of sync bbses even still in existance. at the time i might have gotten this coveted award for running a 'unique' bbs.

    i get tired of seeing the same stock systems too, but geez. it gets old being stressed out by everything ;)
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to C.G. LEARN on Sun Apr 4 09:17:00 2021
    Telex, Terminate, Qmodem, and Procom are far from telnet clients. Syncterm worked as it is a telnet client. I have updated the Net2bbs
    front end to the newest version, so you should not have problems. If
    you want, you can also visit my website at bbs.valhallabbs.com, and I
    have set up ftelnet to each one of my systems for people that don't
    have the correct clients, or you can log into my sbbs system by
    telnet, and choose option 2 or 3, and be ported to my gap or ra bbs.

    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    This is an old style bbs, and the opening screen with the rules and
    regs asked you to give true and honest info, and that only the sysop
    sees this info, Here is the info you entered. I hardly call that true info.
    Address 1 : 1 ADDRESS
    Address 2 : STREET
    Home Phone : (123)456-7890
    Work Phone : (123)456-7890

    So you reviewed my application and made a conscious decision to reject it on the basis that false details were provided. What were you thinking ? that someone would hand over their real name, date of birth, address and contact phone numbers - are you serious ? You should ask for their social security number too.

    Rules are in place on most BBS system, set up by the sysop. If you
    can't follow the rules, most sysops will lock you out as well. If you
    are a sysop yourself, and I'm guessing you are, as you have access to this echo, I'm sure you have rules in place on your system also. It's real simple, if you don't like the rules, drop carrier and find
    another system. Not all of my systems are this rigid. Above all,
    relax, have fun, and play fair.

    I can appreciate leaving old questionnaires intact to showcase an authentic BBS artefact. You run it however you want, but expecting and enforcing true and honest personally identifiable information rules, especially in this day and age when online security and identity theft are widespread issues, is particularly retarded and worthy of derision.

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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Apr 4 09:13:00 2021
    Distraction and deflection. Standard tactics from a bullshitter.

    You were asked (more than once) to state your BBS's address. You have failed to do so. Therefore the logical conclusion is that you do not
    run a BBS. Prove otherwise or continue to be laughed at.

    Your logic is fallacy. Concluding that someone does not run a BBS because they do not provide a BBS address is argumentum ad ignorantiam (an argument from ignorance). You own the burden of proof, and I have no obligation to prove you wrong.

    ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30
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  • From Marceline Jones@1:103/705 to DAN CLOUGH on Sun Apr 4 09:14:00 2021
    Hahahahahahahahahaha! Perfect. Karma at work.

    Do you think it is wise to store personally identifiable information on a BBS over telnet ?

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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:103/705 to Marceline Jones on Sat Apr 3 10:00:23 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to C.G. LEARN on Sun Apr 04 2021 09:17 am

    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    these are NOT telnet clients. they never will be. go read the telnet RFC. then think about what you keep doing.
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Vertrauen - [vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net (1:103/705)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Marceline Jones on Sat Apr 3 15:42:00 2021
    Marceline Jones wrote to C.G. LEARN <=-

    Telex, Terminate, Qmodem, and Procom are far from telnet clients.
    Syncterm worked as it is a telnet client. I have updated the Net2bbs
    front end to the newest version, so you should not have problems. If
    you want, you can also visit my website at bbs.valhallabbs.com, and I
    have set up ftelnet to each one of my systems for people that don't
    have the correct clients, or you can log into my sbbs system by
    telnet, and choose option 2 or 3, and be ported to my gap or ra bbs.

    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem
    and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    I log into BBSs with Telix (running in DosBox) via telnet all the time.
    Works fine. Learn how to use the software you are trying to use.

    This is an old style bbs, and the opening screen with the rules and
    regs asked you to give true and honest info, and that only the sysop
    sees this info, Here is the info you entered. I hardly call that true info.
    Address 1 : 1 ADDRESS
    Address 2 : STREET
    Home Phone : (123)456-7890
    Work Phone : (123)456-7890

    So you reviewed my application and made a conscious decision to
    reject it on the basis that false details were provided.

    Looks like he did. I would have done the same.


    What
    were you thinking ? that someone would hand over their real name,
    date of birth, address and contact phone numbers - are you
    serious ? You should ask for their social security number too.

    SSN's are not needed. Don't be silly.

    Rules are in place on most BBS system, set up by the sysop. If you
    can't follow the rules, most sysops will lock you out as well. If you
    are a sysop yourself, and I'm guessing you are, as you have access to this echo, I'm sure you have rules in place on your system also. It's real simple, if you don't like the rules, drop carrier and find
    another system. Not all of my systems are this rigid. Above all,
    relax, have fun, and play fair.

    I can appreciate leaving old questionnaires intact to showcase an authentic BBS artefact. You run it however you want, but
    expecting and enforcing true and honest personally identifiable information rules, especially in this day and age when online
    security and identity theft are widespread issues, is
    particularly retarded and worthy of derision.

    A sysop runs their own board the way they want to. If you don't like
    that, don't call it. Simple concept, eh?

    As for "worthy of derision", you would certainly know (all) about that.

    Run along and keep out of the Sysop echos. You're not a Sysop.



    ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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  • From C.G. Learn@1:275/93 to Marceline Jones on Sat Apr 3 14:55:21 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to C.G. LEARN on Sun Apr 04 2021 09:17 am

    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    I can see you don't read mail. Use Syncterm

    So you reviewed my application and made a conscious decision to reject it on the basis that false details were provided. What were you thinking ? that someone would hand over their real name, date of birth, address and contact phone numbers - are you serious ? You should ask for their social security number too.

    You know what, If you don't want to give the info I asked for, none the less read the bulliten before you logged in stating what is required, you don't have to join.

    Furthermore, you are not welcome on any of my systems. Get Bent....

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    Valhalla III! - (RemoteAccess) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:5023
    Valhalla Home Services Web! - http://bbs.valhallabbs.com
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    Home Of Odin's Maze Game Server!
    Come Play Trade Wars On Valhalla's T.W.G.S!

    --- I hear what you're saying but I just don't care.
    * Origin: Telnet://valhalla.synchro.net - Richmond, Virginia (1:275/93)
  • From C.G. Learn@1:275/93 to Marceline Jones on Sat Apr 3 15:19:20 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Marceline Jones to C.G. LEARN on Sun Apr 04 2021 09:17 am


    Marceline. I want to appoligize to you for the language I used on the last message. My temper got the best of me. I don't use that type of language with ladies. This being said. I do not wish to communicate with you in the future, or be address by you, and you are not welcome on any of my systems. Nuff Said.

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    Valhalla III! - (RemoteAccess) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:5023
    Valhalla Home Services Web! - http://bbs.valhallabbs.com
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    Home Of Odin's Maze Game Server!
    Come Play Trade Wars On Valhalla's T.W.G.S!

    --- I hear what you're saying but I just don't care.
    * Origin: Telnet://valhalla.synchro.net - Richmond, Virginia (1:275/93)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Sun Apr 4 11:02:21 2021
    A sysop runs their own board the way they want to. If you don't like that, don't call it. Simple concept, eh?

    Some people in USA believe that being banned from a private social network is a violation of their first amendment and call it "cancel culture".



    ..

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Björn Felten on Sun Apr 4 11:46:25 2021
    Re: Your BBS
    By: Bjrn Felten to Dan Clough on Sun Apr 04 2021 11:02:21


    A sysop runs their own board the way they want to. If you don't
    like that, don't call it. Simple concept, eh?

    Some people in USA believe that being banned from a private
    social network is a violation of their first amendment and call
    it "cancel culture".

    "some people think that wind turbines exist to cool down the earth by acting like giant fans."


    )\/(ark
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALEXANDER GROTEWOHL on Sun Apr 4 16:00:00 2021
    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    these are NOT telnet clients. they never will be. go read the telnet RFC. then >hink about what you keep doing.

    That depends on what OS you are using and what your setup is. Under OS/2,
    if you are using VMODEM, some/all of those make good BBS telnet clients.

    If you are running Windows or linux, they are much less likely to be
    effective at telneting to BBSes at all.

    Mike


    * SLMR 2.1a * MANIAC - An early computer built by nuts.
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to C.G. Learn on Mon Apr 5 10:17:13 2021
    On 4/04/2021 05:19, 1275/93 wrote:

    Marceline. I want to appoligize to you for the language I used on the
    last message. My temper got the best of me. I don't use that type of language with ladies.

    Sexist bastard! Ladies have as much right to be sworn at as gentlemen.

    --
    Regards
    David

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Mike Powell on Sun Apr 4 21:11:00 2021
    Mike Powell wrote to ALEXANDER GROTEWOHL <=-

    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    these are NOT telnet clients. they never will be. go read the telnet RFC. then
    hink about what you keep doing.

    That depends on what OS you are using and what your setup is.
    Under OS/2, if you are using VMODEM, some/all of those make good
    BBS telnet clients.

    If you are running Windows or linux, they are much less likely to
    be effective at telneting to BBSes at all.

    I use Telix just fine, under Linux (and DosBox) to telnet to BBSes.


    ... Internal Error: The system has been taken over by sheep at line 19960
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to David Drummond on Mon Apr 5 13:40:37 2021
    Hello David,

    On Monday April 05 2021 10:17, you wrote to C.G. Learn:

    Sexist bastard! Ladies have as much right to be sworn at as gentlemen.

    Other than that: Are you sure it is a lady? Long, long ago in what seems to be another life, I have learned not to jump to conclusions on the basis of a name. Is the name that is in the "From:" field the real name? And if so is that name exclusively used by females? And if it is female, is it a "lady"? You tell me...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From C.G. Learn@1:275/93 to David Drummond on Mon Apr 5 08:21:04 2021
    Re: Your BBS
    By: David Drummond to C.G. Learn on Mon Apr 05 2021 10:17 am

    Sexist bastard! Ladies have as much right to be sworn at as gentlemen.

    LOLRONPIP, I Hear Ya. it's tough to change an old fart like me :)

    SysOp: C.G. Learn, AKA: DesotoFireflite
    Valhalla Home Services! - (Synchronet) - bbs.valhallabbs.com
    Valhalla II! - (GAP) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:24
    Valhalla III! - (RemoteAccess) - bbs.valhallabbs.com:5023
    Valhalla Home Services Web! - http://bbs.valhallabbs.com
    A Gamers Paradise - Over 150 Registered Online Game Doors!

    Home Of Odin's Maze Game Server!
    Come Play Trade Wars On Valhalla's T.W.G.S!

    --- Old farts never die! They just smell that way...
    * Origin: Telnet://valhalla.synchro.net - Richmond, Virginia (1:275/93)
  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to mark lewis on Mon Apr 5 07:18:00 2021
    mark lewis wrote to Bjrn Felten <=-

    "some people think that wind turbines exist to cool down the earth by acting like giant fans."

    Anyone knows they're there to speed up the Earth's rotation.


    ... Do the last thing first
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech (1:218/700)
  • From Morgul@1:123/126 to Kurt Weiske on Mon Apr 5 11:12:42 2021
    BY: Kurt Weiske(1:218/700)



    Anyone knows they're there to speed up the Earth's rotation.

    or slow it down.

    Or did you think Daylight Savings Time was just a numbers game? Nope, they actually adjust the Earth's rotation to achieve it, silly!

    :)

    -Craig


    --- WWIV 5.7.0.development
    * Origin: ** The Trading Post [SOUTH] BBS -=- Columbia, SC ** (1:123/126)
  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:103/705 to Dan Clough on Mon Apr 5 06:37:48 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Dan Clough to Mike Powell on Sun Apr 04 2021 09:11 pm

    If you are running Windows or linux, they are much less likely to
    be effective at telneting to BBSes at all.
    I use Telix just fine, under Linux (and DosBox) to telnet to BBSes.

    every time you connect to a bbs do you see maybe 5 or 6 random characters display on the screen before the bbs author name and other info displays?

    those are meant to be a handshake.. that your client responds to to determine the features of your client, and to determine how the telnet server should behave.

    what you're doing is having a bit of luck. since your client behaves like the telnet server is going to behave by default.

    now if i decide to base your eligibility to use my bbs on whether your client is an actual telnet client (where often, bots that try every password in the books are NOT) .. because your client isn't responding to those 'handshakes' .. that's not my problem but yours. i believe it's reasonable thinking so.

    i'd be curious to see if VMODEM behaves as the middle-man and correctly answers those 'handshakes' on your behalf. in which case sure, you would look sufficiently like a telnet client to bypass the check.
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  • From Terry Roati@3:640/1321 to Kurt Weiske on Tue Apr 6 08:29:04 2021

    I suspect they are going in the direction, warming instead of cooling.

    On Apr 05, 2021 07:25am, Kurt Weiske wrote to Mark Lewis:

    mark lewis wrote to Bjrn Felten <=-

    "some people think that wind turbines exist to cool down the earth by
    acting like giant fans."

    Anyone knows they're there to speed up the Earth's rotation.


    ... Do the last thing first
    --- MultiMail/DOS v0.52
    * Origin: http://realitycheckbbs.org | tomorrow's retro tech
    (1:218/700)

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: The File Bank BBS! (3:640/1321)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Alexander Grotewohl on Mon Apr 5 21:09:00 2021
    Alexander Grotewohl wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    If you are running Windows or linux, they are much less likely to
    be effective at telneting to BBSes at all.

    I use Telix just fine, under Linux (and DosBox) to telnet to BBSes.

    every time you connect to a bbs do you see maybe 5 or 6 random
    characters display on the screen before the bbs author name and
    other info displays?

    No. I see CONNECT 57600 briefly, and then the BBS.

    those are meant to be a handshake.. that your client responds to
    to determine the features of your client, and to determine how
    the telnet server should behave.

    Yup.

    what you're doing is having a bit of luck. since your client
    behaves like the telnet server is going to behave by default.

    Well, no, it's not "luck". The client (just tested with both Telix and ProComm under DosBox/Linux) is configured as an "ANSI-BBS" terminal, and that's what the BBS sees it as. Right there in the logs.

    now if i decide to base your eligibility to use my bbs on whether
    your client is an actual telnet client (where often, bots that
    try every password in the books are NOT) .. because your client
    isn't responding to those 'handshakes' .. that's not my problem
    but yours. i believe it's reasonable thinking so.

    OK, in some artificial scenario that you're making up, maybe. Not sure
    what all that's got to do with what I'm saying.

    i'd be curious to see if VMODEM behaves as the middle-man and
    correctly answers those 'handshakes' on your behalf. in which
    case sure, you would look sufficiently like a telnet client to
    bypass the check.

    Not sure what VMODEM you're referring to. As I said, I'm using DOS
    clients such as Telix.

    Here's the key: You have to set the "modem init string" in the client
    to: ATNET1

    This works in both Telix and ProComm, and probably other DOS clients
    that I haven't tried. I think that's a DosBox "kludge", and it works perfectly fine. You also need to have "serial1=modem" in your
    dosbox.conf file. If you're skeptical, try it yourself and let me
    know what you see.


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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Mauro Veiga on Tue Apr 6 11:29:40 2021
    Mauro Veiga wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the only D'bridge
    addict in Fidonet.

    And I'm the only one using the INDIGO Point software in Fidonet.
    :-)

    Don't count with it. If all goes OK, indigo will become mainstream
    in Brazil pretty soon :)



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  • From Alexander Grotewohl@1:103/705 to Dan Clough on Tue Apr 6 10:07:24 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Dan Clough to Alexander Grotewohl on Mon Apr 05 2021 09:09 pm

    No. I see CONNECT 57600 briefly, and then the BBS.

    so.. another bit of software in providing you with a CONNECT message. and also handling the telnet handshake and acting as an intermediary.

    you no longer fit the criteria i was describing because you are emulating a telnet terminal. one half with your term and one half with whichever software is responding to ATNET1

    Well, no, it's not "luck". The client (just tested with both Telix and ProComm under DosBox/Linux) is configured as an "ANSI-BBS" terminal, and that's what the BBS sees it as. Right there in the logs.

    i'm sorry, but you don't understand what's going on behind the scenes for that to "just work" ..
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Alexander Grotewohl on Tue Apr 6 12:32:00 2021
    Alexander Grotewohl wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    No. I see CONNECT 57600 briefly, and then the BBS.

    so.. another bit of software in providing you with a CONNECT
    message. and also handling the telnet handshake and acting as an intermediary.

    Well, yes, as I said.... it's running under DosBox.

    you no longer fit the criteria i was describing because you are
    emulating a telnet terminal. one half with your term and one half
    with whichever software is responding to ATNET1

    That software is DosBox, as previously stated.

    Well, no, it's not "luck". The client (just tested with both Telix and ProComm under DosBox/Linux) is configured as an "ANSI-BBS" terminal, and that's what the BBS sees it as. Right there in the logs.

    i'm sorry, but you don't understand what's going on behind the
    scenes for that to "just work" ..

    Yeah OK, whatever. You keep on believing that it doesn't work, and I'll
    keep on using it because it works. I understand it just fine.


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  • From Mauro Veiga@4:801/194 to FLAVIO BESSA on Wed Apr 7 10:00:00 2021
    Quoting Flavio Bessa to Mauro Veiga <=-

    For a long time ... a veeeery long time, I was the only D'bridge
    addict in Fidonet.

    And I'm the only one using the INDIGO Point software in Fidonet.
    :-)

    Don't count with it. If all goes OK, indigo will become mainstream
    in Brazil pretty soon :)

    Peter Karlson will be happy. :-))


    []'s

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    Live Long and Prosper

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Morgul on Tue Apr 6 06:40:00 2021
    Morgul wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Or did you think Daylight Savings Time was just a numbers game? Nope, they actually adjust the Earth's rotation to achieve it, silly!

    If they get rid of DST, not only will they not need to adjust the rotation, they'll not have to adjust Stonehenge twice a year as well. Think of the
    cost savings!


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Michiel van der Vlist on Fri Apr 9 06:59:46 2021
    On 5/04/2021 21:40, 2280/5555 wrote:

    MvdV> On Monday April 05 2021 10:17, you wrote to C.G. Learn:

    Sexist bastard! Ladies have as much right to be sworn at as gentlemen.

    MvdV> Other than that: Are you sure it is a lady?

    C.G.Learn apologised for his language to "a lady". My response was to him/her.

    MvdV> Long, long ago in what seems to be another life, I have learned not to jump to conclusions on the
    MvdV> basis of a name. Is the name that is in the "From:" field the real name?
    MvdV> And if so is that name exclusively used by females? And if it is female,
    MvdV> is it a "lady"?  You tell me...

    A quick check of the dictionary shows me that "a lady" is the wife/daughter of "a lord".

    Do we have any lords in here?

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Morgul on Fri Apr 9 07:04:00 2021
    On 6/04/2021 01:12, 1123/126 wrote:

    Or did you think Daylight Savings Time was just a numbers game?  Nope, they actually adjust the Earth's rotation to achieve it, silly!

    We don't have no "steenking Daylight savings time" in this state - we have so much sun we cannot give it away.

    Besides DST prematurely fades the curtains...

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to David Drummond on Fri Apr 9 00:17:32 2021
    Hello David,

    On Friday April 09 2021 06:59, you wrote to me:

    A quick check of the dictionary shows me that "a lady" is the wife/daughter of "a lord".

    Do we have any lords in here?

    The saying goes that the sysop is Lord and Master of his system. So I think we have some...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Apr 13 08:19:40 2021
    On 9/04/2021 08:17, 2280/5555 wrote:

    A quick check of the dictionary shows me that "a lady" is the
    wife/daughter of "a lord".

    Do we have any lords in here?

    MvdV> The saying goes that the sysop is Lord and Master of his system. So I
    MvdV> think we have some...

    True :)

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 17 13:24:18 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Mike Powell to ALEXANDER GROTEWOHL on Sun Apr 04 2021 04:00 pm

    Your BBS is still rejecting calls from Telix, Terminate, Qmodem and Procomm as portscans. Did you test your change ?

    these are NOT telnet clients. they never will be. go read the telnet RFC. t >hink about what you keep doing.

    That depends on what OS you are using and what your setup is. Under OS/2, if you are using VMODEM, some/all of those make good BBS telnet clients.

    If you are running Windows or linux, they are much less likely to be effective at telneting to BBSes at all.

    Mike


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    Hi Mike, Win10 with Putty here. Works fine.

    xxcarol
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  • From Phillip L Taylor Jr@1:275/201.30 to Marceline Jones on Sun Apr 25 20:33:41 2021
    On Sun 4-Apr-2021 9:17 , Marceline Jones@1:103/705.0 said to C.g. Learn:


    So you reviewed my application and made a conscious decision to reject it on the basis that false details were provided. What were you thinking ? that someone would hand over their real name, date of birth, address and contact phone numbers - are you serious ? You should ask for their social security number too.

    I think your overreacting. By the way you can not post messages in the Fidonet Echoes using a alias name..

    Rules are in place on most BBS system, set up by the sysop. If you can't follow the rules, most sysops will lock you out as well. If you are a sysop yourself, and I'm guessing you are, as you have access
    to
    this echo, I'm sure you have rules in place on your system also.
    It's
    real simple, if you don't like the rules, drop carrier and find another system. Not all of my systems are this rigid. Above all, relax, have fun, and play fair.

    I agree, it is just a hobby.

    I can appreciate leaving old questionnaires intact to showcase an
    authentic BBS artefact. You run it however you want, but expecting and enforcing true and honest personally identifiable information rules, especially in this day and age when online security and identity theft are widespread issues, is particularly retarded and worthy of derision.

    The individuals name by it self is not protected under the Privacy Act of 1974. The sysop has the right to ask for the users name and email address. You should respected and follow their bbs rules.


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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Phillip L Taylor Jr on Mon Apr 26 23:22:38 2021
    Re: Re: Your BBS
    By: Phillip L Taylor Jr to Marceline Jones on Sun Apr 25 2021 08:33 pm

    I think your overreacting. By the way you can not post messages in the Fidonet Echoes using a alias name..

    It depends on the echo's rules. Not all echoes on FidoNet require the use of real (or real-sounding) names.
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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri Apr 30 14:53:29 2021
    T.J. Mcmillen wrote to Marceline Jones <=-

    That is already too much personal identifiable information. In some places people can obtain your medical history and birth certificate with just
    that

    Didnt know you were in a 3rd world country.

    Interesting, as I live in a third-world country.



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  • From Flavio Bessa@4:801/188 to Mauro Veiga on Fri May 28 09:47:13 2021
    Mauro Veiga wrote to Nighthawk <=-

    And I'm the only one using the INDIGO Point software in Fidonet.
    :-)

    Don't count with it. If all goes OK, indigo will become mainstream
    in Brazil pretty soon :)

    Peter Karlson will be happy. :-))

    Let's see how it goes.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Flavio Bessa on Fri May 28 18:14:57 2021
    Peter Karlson will be happy. :-))

    Let's see how it goes.

    But don't look for him by that name. He changed it some two decades ago, it's now Peter Krefting.


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