Greetings,

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read echomail
and such or are using an offline reader? If you are using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am using Windows 10...

Regards,
Rick

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Hello Rick,

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read
echomail and such or are using an offline reader? If you are using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am using Windows 10...

I do read and reply on the BBS at times but when I am in a hurry, like now.. I just use golded.

MultiMail is a well supported QWK, BW, OMEN, SOUP offline reader. You can get it from http://wmcbrine.com/mmail for a number of OSs along with source.

It's what I use when I need offline mail.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Rick Smith wrote to All <=-

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read
echomail and such or are using an offline reader? If you are using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am using Windows 10...

Up until today I've always logged in locally. Started using Multimail today under Win 10 64. No problems so far. It uses your default text editor and
wraps everything before upload . This will be the first message I've quoted so it will be interesting to see how well it does. Just for shits and giggles I've
got notepad set around 80 columns and using word wrap.

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Thank you for your suggestions ill have a look...

Rick

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Rick Smith wrote to All <=-

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read
echomail and such or are using an offline reader? If you are
using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am
using Windows 10...

I use an offline reader (MultiMail). There are versions of it for
several operating systems, and I really like it a lot.



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On 03-02-20 14:06, Rick Smith wrote to All <=-

Greetings,

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read
echomail and such or are using an offline reader? If you are using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am using Windows 10...

Yep, I do and Multimail works pretty well. It's a native application for Windows 32 and 64 (yes both are available), as well as Linux and possibly Mac. I'm typing this on Windows and use the Win64 version of Multimail.


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Excellent! Is that all I need? What instuction did you use to get it going? I remember doing this 23 years ago, but for the life of me cant seem to get it going..

Rick

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On 03-02-20 14:06, Rick Smith <=-
spoke to All about Mail Reader <=-

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read
echomail and such or are using an offline reader? If you are using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am using Windows 10...

I have been using BlueWave for at least 25 years to read my mail
offline, first as a user, then as a point, and now as a sysop. I cannot imagine doing anything else. I will easily admit that with the advance
in operating systems and their discarding of support for older 16 bit
programs, it is more difficult now than it used to be. There are
solutions to that. There are also other offline readers that can be
used in the later versions of windows (and perhaps even linux). I think Multimail is one that I have heard mentioned.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On 03-02-20 20:34, Richard Miles <=-
spoke to Rick Smith about Re: Mail Reader <=-

Up until today I've always logged in locally. Started using Multimail today under Win 10 64. No problems so far. It uses your default text editor and wraps everything before upload . This will be the first
message I've quoted so it will be interesting to see how well it does. Just for shits and giggles I've
got notepad set around 80 columns and using word wrap.

Looks just fine to me.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On 03-03-20 01:20, Dale Shipp wrote to Rick Smith <=-

I have been using BlueWave for at least 25 years to read my mail
offline, first as a user, then as a point, and now as a sysop. I
cannot imagine doing anything else. I will easily admit that with the advance in operating systems and their discarding of support for older
16 bit programs, it is more difficult now than it used to be. There
are solutions to that. There are also other offline readers that can
be used in the later versions of windows (and perhaps even linux). I think Multimail is one that I have heard mentioned.

Bluewave still works in DOSBox fine. But I use Multimail,which runs natively on several platforms.


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Hi Rick!

02 Mar 2020 14:06, from Rick Smith -> All:

I am curious if other sysops are logging into their BBS's to read
echomail and such or are using an offline reader? If you are using a reader can you suggest one for me... If it matters I am using Windows 10...

I am using shell in a box (a web SSH Client) to log into my computer, and use Golded there to read/write mails.
Works very nicely. (Even from my corporate computer that I am using currently in my lunch break.)
https://github.com/shellinabox/shellinabox

CU, Ricsi

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On 02 Mar 2020, Rick Smith said the following...

Excellent! Is that all I need? What instuction did you use to get it going? I remember doing this 23 years ago, but for the life of me cant

I added the MMAIL environmental variable and ran it. It opens the mmail.rc
for on first run if you need to change any of the defaults. That was
literally it.

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On 03-03-20 21:13, Tony Langdon <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mail Reader <=-

I have been using BlueWave for at least 25 years to read my mail
offline, first as a user, then as a point, and now as a sysop. I
cannot imagine doing anything else. I will easily admit that with the advance in operating systems and their discarding of support for older
16 bit programs, it is more difficult now than it used to be. There
are solutions to that. There are also other offline readers that can
be used in the later versions of windows (and perhaps even linux). I think Multimail is one that I have heard mentioned.

Bluewave still works in DOSBox fine. But I use Multimail,which runs natively on several platforms.

True, and it also works in vDOS as well, maybe better. There is a slight
glitch in both having to do with updating the date/time stamp on the QWK
packet when it is read. I use BlueWave inside a virtual XP window, and
there it does not have that flaw. I can agree that a person new to
offline might well do better with Multimail so as to not have to face
the 16 bit in a 64 bit operating system problem. I am just so used to
Bluewave I do not want to switch.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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On 03-04-20 01:12, Dale Shipp wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

On 03-03-20 21:13, Tony Langdon <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mail Reader <=-

I have been using BlueWave for at least 25 years to read my mail
offline, first as a user, then as a point, and now as a sysop. I
cannot imagine doing anything else. I will easily admit that with the advance in operating systems and their discarding of support for older

I used to use Bluewave back in the day, and loved it, though I didn't use the default "TED" editor that comes with it.

16 bit programs, it is more difficult now than it used to be. There
are solutions to that. There are also other offline readers that can
be used in the later versions of windows (and perhaps even linux). I think Multimail is one that I have heard mentioned.

Yes, Multimail does run natively on modern OSs. I'm using the Win64 version right now. I have the Linux version installed on a netbook that I use for travelling.

Bluewave still works in DOSBox fine. But I use Multimail,which runs natively on several platforms.

True, and it also works in vDOS as well, maybe better. There is a
slight glitch in both having to do with updating the date/time stamp on

I haven't used vDOS yet.

the QWK packet when it is read. I use BlueWave inside a virtual XP window, and there it does not have that flaw. I can agree that a
person new to offline might well do better with Multimail so as to not have to face the 16 bit in a 64 bit operating system problem. I am
just so used to Bluewave I do not want to switch.

Yes, no reason not to continue using Bluewave. :)


... Please no deja vu; I don't want to go through that again.
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Dale Shipp wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

On 03-03-20 21:13, Tony Langdon <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Mail Reader <=-

I have been using BlueWave for at least 25 years to read my mail
offline, first as a user, then as a point, and now as a sysop. I
cannot imagine doing anything else. I will easily admit that with the advance in operating systems and their discarding of support for older
16 bit programs, it is more difficult now than it used to be. There
are solutions to that. There are also other offline readers that can
be used in the later versions of windows (and perhaps even linux). I think Multimail is one that I have heard mentioned.

Bluewave still works in DOSBox fine. But I use Multimail,which runs natively on several platforms.

True, and it also works in vDOS as well, maybe better. There is a
slight glitch in both having to do with updating the date/time stamp on the QWK packet when it is read. I use BlueWave inside a virtual XP window, and there it does not have that flaw. I can agree that a
person new to offline might well do better with Multimail so as to not have to face the 16 bit in a 64 bit operating system problem. I am
just so used to Bluewave I do not want to switch.

Well, I just tried Bluewave and get the same issue. Synchronet unpacks it
and that's where it ends. Never get tossed into the Conference.....


... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
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DONALD PRICE wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

Well, I just tried Bluewave and get the same issue. Synchronet unpacks
it and that's where it ends. Never get tossed into the Conference.....

I thought Bluewave had some sort of Y2k issue that caused issues. I
never used it, so didn't research it much, but that is what I think I
heard. Maybe the bbs is trashing it due to date error.

Kev

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Re: Re: Mail Reader
By: Kevin Nunn to Donald Price on Thu Mar 05 2020 17:58:10

Well, I just tried Bluewave and get the same issue. Synchronet unpacks
it and that's where it ends. Never get tossed into the Conference.....

I thought Bluewave had some sort of Y2k issue that caused issues.

it does but there is a binary patch for it and most of the BBS doors... if one doesn't want to use the binary patch, there's also an older zip/unzip replacemend script which handles the patching of the dates in the data files...

the y2k problem shouldn't affect the importation, though... it will cause bad dates to be created and generally some numbers to be prepended to the TO: name field...

DP needs to look at his log for the QWK process when the user uploads and see what it says it does with the packet...


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On 03-05-20 17:58, Kevin Nunn wrote to Donald Price <=-

DONALD PRICE wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

Well, I just tried Bluewave and get the same issue. Synchronet unpacks
it and that's where it ends. Never get tossed into the Conference.....

I thought Bluewave had some sort of Y2k issue that caused issues. I
never used it, so didn't research it much, but that is what I think I heard. Maybe the bbs is trashing it due to date error.

Y2K patched versions of Bluewave are readily available on the Internet.


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On 03-05-20 17:58, Kevin Nunn <=-
spoke to Donald Price about Re: Mail Reader <=-

Well, I just tried Bluewave and get the same issue. Synchronet unpacks
it and that's where it ends. Never get tossed into the Conference.....

I thought Bluewave had some sort of Y2k issue that caused issues. I
never used it, so didn't research it much, but that is what I think I heard. Maybe the bbs is trashing it due to date error.

Bluewave did have a Y2K issue -- but that got fixed. There is a patch available.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)


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I have been using BlueWave for at least 25 years to read my mail offline, first as a user, then as a point, and now as a sysop. I

Was looking thru my important papers a couple of weeks ago & found my certificate where I purchased BlueWave for OS/2 back in the mid-90's. That brought back some memories.

ACME BBS-Member of fsxNet/WWIVNet/SciNet/AmigaNet/VKRadio/FidoNet/MicroNet.

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Kevin Nunn wrote to Donald Price <=-

DONALD PRICE wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

Well, I just tried Bluewave and get the same issue. Synchronet unpacks
it and that's where it ends. Never get tossed into the Conference.....

I thought Bluewave had some sort of Y2k issue that caused issues. I
never used it, so didn't research it much, but that is what I think I heard. Maybe the bbs is trashing it due to date error.

Kev

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Could be. Not sure. Oh-Well. I'll stick to MultiMail.... :)


... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
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Mark Lewis wrote to Kevin Nunn <=-

I thought Bluewave had some sort of Y2k issue that caused issues.

it does but there is a binary patch for it and most of the BBS doors...
if one doesn't want to use the binary patch, there's also an older

Ah ok, I guess somewhere along the way I missed that there was fixes for it.

Thanks!

Kev

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Hello Kevin,

~~~ TGWave v1.12+

Your using TGWave! That door is simply awesome.

I found that when uploading more than 1 message all the messages would get the same MSGID and get trapped as dupes upstream from me.

That was some years ago I tried it though. Does your version work OK?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Kevin Nunn <=-

~~~ TGWave v1.12+

Your using TGWave! That door is simply awesome.

I found that when uploading more than 1 message all the messages would
get the same MSGID and get trapped as dupes upstream from me.

That was some years ago I tried it though. Does your version work OK?

It seems to, but now that you mention it I do see Fastecho complaining about a possible duplicate. Maybe that is happening to me. Maybe I should you use it anymore. It does work well besides that though.

Kev

~~~ TGWave v1.12+
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Hello Kevin,

It seems to, but now that you mention it I do see Fastecho complaining about a possible duplicate. Maybe that is happening to me. Maybe I
should you use it anymore. It does work well besides that though.

That door was everything I had hoped for in an offline mail door. It was also well integrated into Telegard. I was very sorry to hear from upstream that my messages were not propagating from there.

I was running a 486 DX2 66 at that time and I suspect that the author who wrote that door may have been on a slower computer so the issue never came up.

I don't know if there is a way but if you could slow down the processing a bit so only one message was processed per second it might make a difference.

If I remember right I uploaded 5 messages across a few areas. The first made it out but the rest didn't.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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ALAN IANSON wrote to KEVIN NUNN <=-

I was running a 486 DX2 66 at that time and I suspect that the author
who wrote
that door may have been on a slower computer so the issue never came
up.

That could be the case, I used to have contact with Lars, but last time
we talked I think he told me he didn't have the source anymore. So I
doubt there will ever be a fix for it.

If I remember right I uploaded 5 messages across a few areas. The first made it
out but the rest didn't.

That sounds about right, If I just have one reply, everything works
fine, but if I have more than 1, then fastecho complains about
duplicates when it is exporting. it does export, but the messages
probably get tossed elsewhere up the chain.

Thanks for the heads up on that! I am back to using TG's built in QWK.

I might see if I can force the DOS box to slow way down for TGWave.

Kev


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