• We choose to change the Policy4.

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Thu Apr 4 11:35:10 2019
    We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday at 9 June 2019 and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

    Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Thu Apr 4 16:11:53 2019
    We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday at 9 June
    2019 and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best
    of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

    Again, know your classics ... I belong to that generation...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri Apr 5 00:42:25 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday at 9 June
    2019
    and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of
    our
    energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

    Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

    "Why does Rice play Texas?" ~JFK (in same speech, in Houston TX)

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Fri Apr 5 01:47:14 2019
    On 04-04-19 11:35, Bjrn Felten <=-
    spoke to All about We choose to change the P <=-


    We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday
    at 9 June 2019 and do the other things, not because they
    are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will
    serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and
    skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing
    to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which
    we intend to win, and the others, too.

    Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

    Go for it! :-}} We have had two unsuccessful attempts in my memory.
    The first was when you became editor of Fidonews. That one was a simple
    one to change the link info in P4 to reflect reality. That change died
    quickly without getting any public attention. Then there was the second
    move that I helped get started and was heavily involved in. It made the
    change in Fidonews editor location, and then also tried to make it
    easier to change/amend in the future. That got a lot of attention and
    many revisions -- but in the end, it did not get a quorum of RCs to vote
    on presenting it to the *Cs for a vote (a majority of those voting said
    yes).

    Maybe today it might be easier -- there are not as many RCs. Even if
    you could get a quorum of RCs to put a revision on the table, it is not
    clear if you could muster the votes of the NCs.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dale Shipp on Fri Apr 5 16:37:14 2019
    On 5/04/2019 01:47, 1:261/1466 wrote:

    Maybe today it might be easier -- there are not as many RCs. Even if
    you could get a quorum of RCs to put a revision on the table, it is not clear if you could muster the votes of the NCs.

    Maybe a poll of *Cs first to see how many are alive and kicking.

    Does a dead *C have any voting rights?

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    Gang warily
    David

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Shipp on Fri Apr 5 08:50:27 2019

    Then there was the second
    move that I helped get started and was heavily involved in.

    So you'd want to be aboard for a retry ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Fri Apr 5 09:16:53 2019

    Does a dead *C have any voting rights?

    Yes.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Ward Dossche on Fri Apr 5 03:45:14 2019
    Hello Ward!

    05 Apr 19 09:16, you wrote to David Drummond:

    Does a dead *C have any voting rights?

    Yes.

    However, he/she is unlikely to exercise them.

    Andrew

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Andrew Leary on Fri Apr 5 14:48:31 2019
    Andrew,

    Does a dead *C have any voting rights?

    Yes.

    However, he/she is unlikely to exercise them.

    You can trust me on thisone ... over the years I've seen a number of unlikely scenarios unfold that left me baffled.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri Apr 5 20:00:52 2019
    Again, know your classics ... I belong to that generation...

    As I'm sure you know that I do. I too belong to that generation...



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bjrn Felten on Sat Apr 6 02:30:33 2019
    Hello Björn,

    What will we find, if anything, if we ever do manage
    to actually get there? Seems to be a big "if", given
    Neil Armstrong's account as to what he had seen.

    Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

    Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
    rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
    Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
    symposium.

    Professor: What really happened out there with Apollo 11?

    Armstrong: It was incredible … of course, we had always known there
    was a possibility … the fact is, we were warned off. There was never
    any questions then of a space station or a moon city.

    Professor: How do you mean “warned off”?

    Armstrong: I can’t go into details, except to say that their
    ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology –
    boy, where they big! … and menacing …. No, there is no question
    of a space station.

    Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

    Armstrong: Naturally – NASA was committed at that time, and
    couldn’t risk a panic on earth…. But it really was a quick scoop
    and back again.

    [multiple sources around the internet]

    --Lee

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Apr 6 12:22:35 2019
    Hi! Lee,

    On 06 Apr 19 02:30, you wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    [multiple sources around the internet]

    Nigerian scammers' source(s), with the same 92% spelling & grammatical error rate.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Sat Apr 6 02:47:10 2019
    On 04-05-19 08:50, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: We choose to change <=-


    Then there was the second
    move that I helped get started and was heavily involved in.

    So you'd want to be aboard for a retry ?

    Not really. I would be willing to offer historical advice to any group
    who is willing to take on that battle, But I'm not willing to spend as
    much time and effort as I did before. We tried, and failed. So if it
    is to happen, fresh eyes are needed.

    Maybe just scrap the idea of amending P4, and writing a P5 that fits the
    modern world would be better.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to Dale Shipp on Sat Apr 6 13:16:46 2019
    We tried, and failed.

    I beg to differ ... "we tried and did not succeed".

    A lot of good people put some honest effort into it.

    Maybe just scrap the idea of amending P4, and writing a P5 that fits the modern world would be better.

    Technically P4 isn't all bad.

    And a P5? ?? Hmmm ... That, in my opinion of course, would be the end of today's Fidonet, the bickering, verbal fighting, mudslinging will know no end.

    Ward
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Dale Shipp on Sat Apr 6 09:16:00 2019
    Dale Shipp wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

    Maybe just scrap the idea of amending P4, and writing a P5 that fits
    the modern world would be better.

    Agreed. How much of P4 is irrelevant nowadays, and what issues aren't
    covered by P4? Seems like we could come up with a more effective,
    easier to approve document.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Sun Apr 7 17:48:04 2019
    On 04-06-19 13:16, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: We choose to change <=-


    We tried, and failed.

    I beg to differ ... "we tried and did not succeed".

    Same thing in my mind. Failed == did not succeed.

    A lot of good people put some honest effort into it.

    That is very true. The time and effort by myself and many others is
    why I have no interest in trying it again. But if any small group
    wishes to try -- best of luck and I hope they succeed this time.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Dale Shipp on Mon Apr 8 11:27:10 2019
    Hello Dale Shipp!

    07 Apr 19 17:48:04, Dale Shipp wrote to Ward Dossche:

    We tried, and failed.

    I beg to differ ... "we tried and did not succeed".

    Same thing in my mind. Failed == did not succeed.

    Semantics. The result was that P4 was not changed.

    That is very true. The time and effort by myself and many others is
    why I have no interest in trying it again.

    Same here. I was very disappointed when it failed. No use pointing fingers, but I am out. I am not going to put any more time and energy in it. I have learned to live with P4 as it is and have done so for 25+ years. Ik can live with it for what remains of my Fidolife.


    Michiel


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Tue Apr 9 01:46:44 2019
    Hello Dale,

    We tried, and failed.

    I beg to differ ... "we tried and did not succeed".

    Same thing in my mind. Failed == did not succeed.

    Reagan tried in 1976 and failed.
    Reagan tried in 1980 and succeeded.

    Bush tried in 1980 and failed.
    Bush tried in 1988 and succeeded.

    A lot of good people put some honest effort into it.

    That is very true. The time and effort by myself and many others is
    why I have no interest in trying it again. But if any small group
    wishes to try -- best of luck and I hope they succeed this time.

    Toss it and write a new one.

    Or simply write a new one, as what you have was never
    legitimately passed and ratified in any zone.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Tue Apr 9 01:11:06 2019
    On 04-08-19 11:27, Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about We choose to change <=-

    That is very true. The time and effort by myself and many others is
    why I have no interest in trying it again.

    MVDV> Same here. I was very disappointed when it failed. No use pointing
    MVDV> fingers, but I am out. I am not going to put any more time and
    MVDV> energy in it. I have learned to live with P4 as it is and
    MVDV> have done so for 25+ years. Ik can live with it for what
    MVDV> remains of my Fidolife.

    And on this, we are in complete agreement. Both of us (and others) put
    a lot of effort into coming up with a meaningful revision. In the end,
    we did not even get a quorum of the RCs to vote on it (although a
    majority of those voting did agree).

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 9 01:14:08 2019
    On 04-09-19 01:46, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about We choose to change <=-

    Or simply write a new one, as what you have was never
    legitimately passed and ratified in any zone.

    It was voted on and passed by a majority of the *Cs at the time.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Apr 11 23:16:28 2019
    Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

    Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
    rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
    Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
    symposium.

    When I say "we" I choose to regard the NASA accomplishment to be a universal one, even though a lot of international scientists (including some nazi escapees) were involved.

    But don't you ever forget that the entire planet took pride in what the US tax payers footed the bill for.

    Without that huge bill, we would probably still barely be having pocket calculators and still be having rotary dial phones over copper wires.

    All of the recent NASA adventures are still totally awesome. You should be proud of what your country has achieved rather than denying it!

    http://tinyurl.com/ycj7we94


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Fri Apr 12 12:08:59 2019
    Hi, Björn Felten!
    I read your message from 11.04.2019 22:16

    BF> Without that huge bill, we would probably still barely be
    BF> having pocket calculators and still be having rotary dial
    BF> phones over copper wires. All of the recent NASA
    BF> adventures are still totally awesome. You should be proud of
    BF> what your country has achieved rather than denying it!

    IMHO is more correct to say - without an arm race "we would probably
    still barely... etc" ;-) If a new technic was made then - it was the
    rocket Saturn V and new materials to build it. Electronics had been
    developed without great connection with space flights. B-52 made for electronics more than Appolo 11. ;)

    Bye, Björn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to alexander koryagin on Fri Apr 12 19:21:27 2019

    B-52 made for electronics more than Appolo 11. ;)

    You still have leftover weed from Afghanistan? That's good stuff you've been smoking.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sun Apr 14 14:22:34 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

    Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
    rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
    Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
    symposium.

    When I say "we" I choose to regard the NASA accomplishment to be a
    universal
    one, even though a lot of international scientists (including some nazi escapees) were involved.

    Certainly, landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely
    back to Earth would be a real accomplishment that all peoples
    around the world should love and celebrate. But did it really
    happen? Just because people want to believe Santa Claus is
    real doesn't mean he really is.

    When JFK made his famous speech at Rice University (open air
    during a hot muggy day in the football stadium) in Houston,
    Texas not many people in the stands were paying attention. Until
    he asked the crowd "Why does Rice play Texas?" That woke them
    up, and everybody cheered. Then he went on to talk about his
    program to land a man on the Moon and return him safely back
    to Earth before the end of the decade. This is what was known
    as Project Camelot. However, it has since been revealed that
    Project Camelot had a much different goal -

    http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

    But don't you ever forget that the entire planet took pride in what the
    US
    tax payers footed the bill for.

    People took pride in a fairy tale they had been led to believe
    had come true. That it really happened. Today, not so many
    people believe. In fact, a majority of people in the UK believe
    it was all fake. If another poll is taken in the US, the same
    here would be found that most folks today believe it was all
    faked (the last poll taken in the US on the subject was decades
    ago).

    The majority of people on this planet were not even born when
    astronauts alledgedly landed on the Moon. So who can blame them
    for not believing? A claim with nothing to back it up is an
    empty claim. Unless it is told by Donald Trump, who does not
    believe in climate change, or that Barack Obama was born in
    the USA.

    Why did NASA claim to have landed a man on the Moon and to
    have brought him safely back to Earth? The real reason was not
    so people around the world would feel great pride that man had
    landed on the Moon, but rather so that the US could show the
    USSR it had nuclear missiles that were so accurate they could
    hit a target a quarter million miles away on the Moon.

    Without that huge bill, we would probably still barely be having pocket calculators and still be having rotary dial phones over copper wires.

    How much does it cost to send a missile to the Moon, versus
    the cost of sending astronauts to the Moon and return them
    safely back to Earth? Stanley Kubrick had us all believe we
    could fly to Jupiter. Along with building a giant space
    station in orbit around the Earth. Perhaps that is why NASA
    hired him to produce a series of short mini-movies. To have
    folks believe it had sent astronauts to the Moon. Not that
    any of them really got there.

    What better place to film those movies than just outside
    of Las Vegas? The astronauts could play the slots during
    the day, and also have lots of other entertainment on the
    side. Then at night they could play their parts as actors
    directed by the great Stanley Kubrick.

    NASA is quasi-military. The astronauts who supposedly went to
    the Moon were test pilots, having served in the military. Why
    put their own lives on the line when they didn't have to? All
    the POTUS wanted to do was show the Soviets the US had nuclear
    weapons that were super-accurate, and had a range that was truly
    out of this world.

    The funds saved by faking the Moon landings were used for other
    things. Such as protecting the POTUS from Watergate ...

    All of the recent NASA adventures are still totally awesome.

    Astronauts, cosmonauts, taikonauts, all their adventures
    are awesome. But none has ever walked on the surface of the
    Moon. NASA has made a few claims, but none of those claims
    have been independently verified.

    One of the greatest accomplishments of NASA is the International
    Space Station. It is actually an international endeavor, not just
    something that has been funded and run by the USA. However, it
    should be noted that China was not invited.

    What will China do when it becomes the first nation on Earth
    to successfully land a taikonaut on the Moon? And a lunar base
    on the Moon? Do you think China will let the US or Russia share
    in any of its glory?

    Perpaps Sweden should have its own space program. That way,
    it can be sure to get wherever it wants to go. And never be
    denied the right to own even a small piece of the Moon.

    Journalists and reporters should be allowed to join the next
    crew of astronauts/cosmonauts/taikonauts who attempt such a
    mad adventure. If they succeed, the entire world will know,
    including those who still think climate change is a hoax and
    Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

    You should be proud of what your country has achieved rather than denying it!

    Where is independent verification that man has ever set foot
    on the Moon? Lack of proof is not denial. If I claim to be
    Superman, would you believe me just because I say so? Or
    if somebody else says so? Certainly you must be smarter than
    that ...

    http://tinyurl.com/ycj7we94

    Awesome! Now please explain why Pluto is no longer considered
    being a planet, while still having two moons ...

    The USSR accomplished the same thing as NASA within a month.
    Landed on the Moon. With all its cosmonauts remaining on Earth.
    What this shows is that scientists and engineers around the
    world are capable of doing many things. Not just those in the
    US.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Apr 14 15:55:06 2019
    Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.

    We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esrange





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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Apr 14 16:33:04 2019
    Lee Lofaso -> Bjrn Felten skrev 2019-04-14 14:22:
    But did it really happen?

    Of course it did.

    I'm surprised that an intelligent person like you choose to join a hoax society like that when there's so many real hoaxes to focus on.

    1. The Dag Hammarskjld assassination. Follow the money -- mining companies in Congo did exceptionally well after his death.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Hammarskj%C3%B6ld

    2. The JFK assassination. Follow the money -- the military industrial complex. Hint: Vietnam.

    3. The Olof Palme assassination -- the South African Secret Service. Hint: Sweden funded more than 50% of the ANC and was the only country that supported them.

    4. The World Trade Centre controlled demolition in 2001 -- once again the MIC plus of course the insurance money.

    5. Climate change. As usual, follow the money -- the big oil companies. Just like the tobacco companies in the 1950s.



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  • From nathanael culver@3:712/886 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Apr 15 14:34:02 2019
    Why did NASA claim to have landed a man on the Moon and to
    have brought him safely back to Earth? The real reason was not

    It didn't. NASA sent 18 men to the moon, landed 12 of them, and return them
    all safely to earth.

    Where is independent verification that man has ever set foot
    on the Moon? Lack of proof is not denial. If I claim to be

    *YAWN*. There is a LOT of third-party verification. Independent
    lunar missions including including the Japanese SELENE probe, India's Chandrayaan-1, and the lunar reconnaissance orbiter have photographed the Apollo sites and abandoned equipment, for starters. Even China claimed its Chang'e 2 lunar probe found traces of the Apollo landings.

    Each Apollo mission a laser-tracking reflector at its landing site which are still in use by ground-based observatories today.

    And the Apollo missions were tracked real-time by numerous sources around the world, including by the Soviet Union.

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to BJ╓RN FELTEN on Thu Apr 18 21:50:00 2019
    On 04-14-19, BJRN FELTEN said to LEE LOFASO:

    Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.


    We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.


    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to TIM RICHARDSON on Fri Apr 19 15:36:43 2019
    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

    Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? Jeeezzz...





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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Apr 20 00:35:59 2019

    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

    It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically only provide the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese, Danish and other languages were spoken during the development of the Atlas, Saturn, Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ward Dossche on Fri Apr 19 18:40:00 2019
    Ward Dossche wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

    It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically
    only provide the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese,
    Danish and other languages were spoken during the development of
    the Atlas, Saturn, Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

    Ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words"?

    Perhaps all those countries (and likely more) *contributed* to the
    US space programs, but it was the *US* that had the programs. It
    was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

    And we'll be the ones who do it again, sooner than you think.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Sat Apr 20 09:38:38 2019
    Perhaps all those countries (and likely more) *contributed* to the
    US space programs, but it was the *US* that had the programs. It
    was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

    Correct. But it was more of a joint-effort headed by a person who should have been tried at Nuremberg and hung. The US especially had the financial resources ... and a speech by Kennedy. It was a time of hope ... If a president were to make a similar statement now, it will be forgotten tomorrow.

    And we'll be the ones who do it again, sooner than you think.

    Doubtful, there are other priorities.

    Think hard ... why hasn't there been anyone else on the Moon since Apollo? It's been like 48 years now ... there must be a reason. Think hard.

    Perhaps because Apollo cost 25 billion US$ back then, now about 115 for limited additional space knowledge and a bag of rocks. All other gains did not need a flight to the Moon.

    A Moon-shot, like Apollo, is now unthinkable. If it happens, it will be different, take 15 years to build-up and there's nothing in the already over-inflated US budget.

    The ISS is way more usefull, but when it comes to the end of its term, also that is doubtful.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 20 21:35:55 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon?
    More than the United States? Or even as many?

    Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? Jeeezzz...

    It is more than that. Much more. Neil Armstrong wanted to plant
    the United Nations flag on the Moon. But President Richard Nixon
    would not let him, ordering Armstrong to plant the US flag. As he
    also ordered all other commander astronauts who flew to the Moon.

    Do you honestly believe the Soviets would not have planted their
    own flag had they succeeded in landing a man on the Moon?

    Certainly the Swedes would have done the same, planting their own
    flag. But as far as I know, no Swede has ever set foot on the Moon.

    However, the truth is, we have all been had. Almost the entire
    world. Except for those in the know.

    Truth is, the US had a secret Moon base. And the Soviets did not
    like it. So what did they do? They blew it up. That is the real
    reason why President Nixon ordered Neil Armstrong to plant the US
    flag in the lunar soil. He wanted Neil Armstrong to claim the
    entire Moon as US territory, making it the 51st state.

    Julian Assange has recently been arrested. This surprised me,
    as I thought he would more likely have had a freakish accident,
    thus putting him (permanently) out of commission. Nobody seems
    to know the fate of his cat, merely 10 weeks old at the time
    of his arrest (on frivolous charges).

    What does this have to do with secret bases on the Moon? Quite
    a lot, if you bother to read what others are claiming -

    https://tinyurl.com/y3n2hd2l

    Any questions? I may not have the answers, but it is a true story.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat Apr 20 21:36:01 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More
    than the United States? Or even as many?

    Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? Jeeezzz...

    Neil Armstrong wanted to plant a flag of the United Nations
    on the Moon. But President Nixon wouldn't let him, making him
    plant a US flag instead.

    However, Armstrong had the last word, as he did the talking when
    planting the US flag.

    President Nixon grounded him after that comment.

    Fortunately, "Buzz" Aldrin saved him from his fate on the Moon.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Apr 20 21:36:06 2019
    Hello Tim,

    Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.

    We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.

    How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

    How many Swedish "astronauts" have even been to space?

    The US has astronauts.
    Russia has cosmonauts.
    China has taikonauts.

    But what the heck does Sweden have? Although it may have
    a space program, how many Swedes have actually flown on a
    Swedish rocketship? And what does one call a spacefaring
    Swede? I am not sure there is any such word for it.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Apr 20 22:33:23 2019
    How many Swedish "astronauts" have even been to space?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christer_Fuglesang






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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Apr 20 18:43:14 2019
    But what the heck does Sweden have? Although it may have
    a space program, how many Swedes have actually flown on a
    Swedish rocketship? And what does one call a spacefaring
    Swede? I am not sure there is any such word for it.

    I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
    sure are delicious.

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