@CHRS: CP850 2
Ward Dossche’s Corolary on Godwin’s Law
@CHRS: CP850 2
Ward Dosscheãs Corolary on Godwinãs Law
Something seems wrong here...
Something seems wrong here...
No, 7 bit pure ASCII only, would be less complex.
No, 7 bit pure ASCII only, would be less complex.
The second program is the NEWSPREP program that posts the Fidonews in
this and another related echo. I don't have to patch it, because I
have the source code. And I did make a change in it a decade or so
ago, to go for "CHRS 850 2". It was on your request, so that your copyright symbol would show properly...
Something seems wrong here...
Well, if in doubt, there's always the actual Fidonews issue (FNEWTA21.ZIP) to rely on.
No, 7 bit pure ASCII only, would be less complex.
You can please some of the people all of the time.
You can please all of the people some of the time.
But you can't please all the people all of the time.
-- Originally by poet John Lydgate,
made famous by Abraham Lincoln.
apparently the character translation table is broken with regard to apostrophies...
Others still have that stance, beit, that they converted to all Lowercase.
Yeah, right. That would surely increase the number of
contributions.
Oh, BTW, your analysis is totally wrong.
There are two programs involved here.
The first is MAKENEWS.EXE that I indeed patched even before I became editor -- in October 2001 to be exact.
This is the program that produces the actual Fidonews. For obvious
reasons there are no kludges involved here, and neither are there any
in the pure text files of the submitted articles.
The second program is the NEWSPREP program that posts the Fidonews
in this and another related echo. I don't have to patch it, because I
have the source code.
And I did make a change in it a decade or so ago, to go for "CHRS 850
2".
It was on your request, so that your copyright symbol would show properly...
I have the impression, that the majority that prefers Cyrrillic for
their conversation, mainly use other encodings than UTF-8
Those who are able to read UTF-8 encoded messages are free to do so in echo areas that promote that encoding. Publishing UTF-8 encoded
messages in general areas like FIDONEWS, where UTF-8 readers are a minoriity, is even worse than mixing 8-bit encodings in one message.
There have been times, when my stance was, that if my ASR33 does not
support it, it is out of bounds. ;)
Others still have that stance, beit, that they converted to all Lowercase.
Of course not, it's a pure text file FFS! DUH!
Well, if in doubt, there's always the actual Fidonews issue (FNEWTA21.ZIP) to rely on.
Well, if in doubt, there's always the actual Fidonews issue
(FNEWTA21.ZIP) to rely on.
Those who are able to read UTF-8 encoded messages are free to do so in
echo areas that promote that encoding. Publishing UTF-8 encoded
messages in general areas like FIDONEWS, where UTF-8 readers are a
minoriity, is even worse than mixing 8-bit encodings in one message.
It is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX system were presented in Uppercase
The use of Morse is not practical in binary fixed word systems.
It was born in a time, where bandwith was a liniting factor. Most
computer encodings were born where memory/storage was a limiting
factor.
Extendible systems have administrative overhead.
MvdV> Baudot code has only one case. Most machines using Baudot code
MvdV> display lower case.
It is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX system
were presented in Uppercase
telexIt is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX
system were presented in Uppercase
That however was totally dependant on the presentation layer. All
machines that I have owned and operated did in fact write upper case symbols, but there may very well have been other machines that did not want their machines to shout at their readers. :)
Extendible systems have administrative overhead.
It is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX system
were presented in Uppercase
You are confusing TELEGRAM with TELEX.
Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been lower-case.
Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been lower-case.
You may be right, I have no examples laying around anymore.
It is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX
system were presented in Uppercase
You are confusing TELEGRAM with TELEX.
Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been
lower-case.
Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been
lower-case.
I think you are momentarily confused. I worked in an environment that
used TELEX comms as an art form for 24 years, ...
You think not?
lower-case.Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been
You may be right, I have no examples laying around anymore.
I still have rolls upon rolls of old telexes somewhere around here. All in upper case. I have never seen a lower case telex. Maybe it was special to Sweden...?
In various movies (e.g. Good Morning Vietnam) and TV shows depicting the time, telex printouts always seem to be upper case, so maybe it was special to the US as well?
But you are right, it was a handful of apostrophises that caused all
this brouhaha.
Ah well, CP 850 is the primary code page and default OEM code page
in many countries,
So I think I'll stick to CP 850 when posting the Fidonews in the echoes. Any objections, save from the UTF-8 fanatics?
My guess is that Ward used a "smart" Windows editor that translated the apostrophe character into the closing single quote character. (0X92)
Most likely this was unintentional and he was unaware of it.
Ah well, CP 850 is the primary code page and default OEM code page
in many countries,
I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very
little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a perfect
editor on the job, you probably have to pay up big time. In the
meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like the one with a
few miscoded apostrophises.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
Of course I should have. But when it comes to contributions
from some of the major ones, I tend to just take a short glance
at it. It usually is perfectly done so I trust it to be perfect
as usual.
Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of
one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I
should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.
I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very
little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a
perfect editor on the job, you probably have to pay up big time.
In the meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like
the one with a few miscoded apostrophises.
But are you really "editing" anything?
Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of
one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I
should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.
Seems like long line(s) would have been quite obvious.
Yeah, right. That would surely increase the number of contributions.
Can you verify that? All I've ever said is that I appreciate the
effort it takes to get my name correctly spelled in some countries --
and I highly respect those that do.
Ah well, CP 850 is the primary code page and default OEM code
page in many countries,
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
All you have to do is look at all the eight bit structures of all our definitions. Ever since we got 16-bit
and then 32 and now 64-bit systems, I've been fighting with stuff like
big vs. little endians and similar, I happen to know.
If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.
It does not! That's simply not true.
Every submitted article is included as the original file in the
INPU*.* files found on the fidonews.eu as well as the eljaco.se sites.
No matter if it violated the archaic MAKENEWS rules or not.
Those file has also, since about 15 years ago, been distributed in
the file echo SNOOZE for the benefit of originally the producer of the fidonews.org echo, but also in order to facilitate other projects like that.
Alas, this is what I got for trying to assist in making the
Fidonews available in various different forms...
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
So if contributing FidoNews is restricted to UTF8 only, it will sure decrease your input.
Seriously? Can you see a number of Russian articles,
that only the Russians can read,
in an international publication like the Fidonews? In any
international echo for that matter?
AFAIK, they already have a Russian version -- just like e.g. Sweden
had until our editor passed away.
Get real!
No, dear readers, rest assured that as long as I am the editor, the Fidonews will remain English only. Using CP850.
(I missed this in my previous comment.)
Repeatedly is not true.
But when the zone wars ran at it's peak, I said at some point, that I
was open for articles written in a non-English language just to watch
the reaction.
Alas, I don't remember if any of you who suggested this actually made
such a contribution,
but now that the zone wars are over and done with,
there's no need for such an experiment. Now we are (almost) all one
big family, speaking the same language.
I still prefer e.g. 'humour' over 'humor' though, but that's just me.
8-)
From the few diehards that now remain in R28, nearly all of
them probably speak English, but I would not be surprised if in Germany there is still a significant fraction of paticipants that have not enough English skills to participate in English echos. Same for Latin America.
The ZC4 does not speak English... And then there is Eastern Europe...
jokes ... or when you carefully disect how David Rance expresses
himself.
I have the impression, that the majority that prefers Cyrrillic for
their conversation, mainly use other encodings than UTF-8
Those who are able to read UTF-8 encoded messages are free to do so in
echo areas that promote that encoding. Publishing UTF-8 encoded
messages in general areas like FIDONEWS, where UTF-8 readers are a
minoriity, is even worse than mixing 8-bit encodings in one message.
There have been times, when my stance was, that if my ASR33 does not
support it, it is out of bounds. ;)
Others still have that stance, beit, that they converted to all
Lowercase.
wantIt is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX
system were presented in Uppercase
That however was totally dependant on the presentation layer. All telex machines that I have owned and operated did in fact write upper case symbols, but there may very well have been other machines that did not
their machines to shout at their readers. :)
inTelegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has beenlower-case.
You may be right, I have no examples laying around anymore.
I still have rolls upon rolls of old telexes somewhere around here. All
upper case. I have never seen a lower case telex. Maybe it was special to Sweden...?
In various movies (e.g. Good Morning Vietnam) and TV shows depicting the time, telex printouts always seem to be upper case, so maybe it wasspecial
to the US as well?
It is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX system
were presented in Uppercase
You are confusing TELEGRAM with TELEX.
Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been lower-case.
You may be right, I have no examples laying around anymore.
It is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the TELEX
system were presented in Uppercase
You are confusing TELEGRAM with TELEX.
I think you are.
Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been
lower-case.
I think you are momentarily confused.
I worked in an environment that used TELEX comms as an art form for 24 years, and they were all in uppercase.
I can produce a .jpg copy of the NASA farewell telex to the Honeysuckle Creek Tracking mob as evidence.
service,Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been
lower-case.
I think you are momentarily confused. I worked in an environment that
used TELEX comms as an art form for 24 years, ...
I worked for a few decades in an environment which actually ran the
ran the exchanges, commercialized the teletypes and whatever.
And I can send you jpg-s that I have.
I am not excluding there were other switched non-public networks with teletype devices, but when you use the word "telex" then we are talking about the public switched network run by incumbent national operators following ITU-guidelines.
You think not?
specifyMvdV>> the encoding for submitted articles, From what I gleen the article
wasMvdV>> submitted using CP1252 Aka Centraal-Europees Windows. The articles
areMvdV>> published with a "CHRS 850 2" kludge.
Oh, BTW, your analysis is totally wrong.
There are two programs involved here. The first is MAKENEWS.EXE that I indeed patched even before I became editor -- in October 2001 to beexact.
This is the program that produces the actual Fidonews.
For obvious reasons there are no kludges involved here, and neither are there any in the pure text files of the submitted articles.
The second program is the NEWSPREP program that posts the Fidonews inthis
and another related echo. I don't have to patch it, because I have the source code.
And I did make a change in it a decade or so ago, to go for "CHRS 850 2".It
was on your request, so that your copyright symbol would show properly...
Yeah, right. That would surely increase the number of contributions.
No, 7 bit pure ASCII only, would be less complex.
You can please some of the people all of the time.
You can please all of the people some of the time.
But you can't please all the people all of the time.
-- Originally by poet John Lydgate,
made famous by Abraham Lincoln.
patchesMvdV>> his software to use a "CHRS UTF-8 4" kludge.
No, 7 bit pure ASCII only, would be less complex.
No, 7 bit pure ASCII only, would be less complex.
(I missed this in my previous comment.)at
Repeatedly is not true. But when the zone wars ran at it's peak, I said
some point, that I was open for articles written in a non-Englishlanguage
just to watch the reaction.
Alas, I don't remember if any of you who suggested this actually madesuch a
contribution,
but now that the zone wars are over and done with,
there's no need for such an experiment.
Now we are (almost) all one big family, speaking the same language.
I still prefer e.g. 'humour' over 'humor' though, but that's just me.8-)
Seriously? Can you see a number of Russian articles, that only theRussians
can read, in an international publication like the Fidonews? In any international echo for that matter?
AFAIK, they already have a Russian version -- just like e.g. Sweden had until our editor passed away.
Get real!
No, dear readers, rest assured that as long as I am the editor, theFidonews
will remain English only. Using CP850.
Yeah, right. That would surely increase the number of
contributions.
I have the impression, that the majority that prefers Cyrrillic for
their conversation, mainly use other encodings than UTF-8
Those who are able to read UTF-8 encoded messages are free to do so in
echo areas that promote that encoding. Publishing UTF-8 encoded
messages in general areas like FIDONEWS, where UTF-8 readers are a
minoriity, is even worse than mixing 8-bit encodings in one message.
jokes ... or when you carefully disect how David Rance expresses
himself.
Or when FLAK is mispelled. Or, was he really 'channelling' Roberta?
Mmm.
The Baudot code is still common in the European telex system,
You are confusing TELEGRAM with TELEX.
I think you are.
Although using uppercase in telegram is a matter of style, using
uppercase in telex is a must in the international telex network.
go inMvdV>> denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my
spot on.Garbage
As a scientist I'm very much dedicated to the GIGO (Garbage In,
Out) principle in any form of analysis.do
If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.
To one of my students from yesteryears I would have said "do again,
right".
jokes ... or when you carefully disect how David Rance expresses
himself.
Or when FLAK is mispelled. Or, was he really 'channelling' Roberta?
Mmm.
Roberta Flack, the singer, or Roberta Flak ... that SS woman ?
The Baudot code is still common in the European telex system,
timesYou are confusing TELEGRAM with TELEX.
I think you are.
Although using uppercase in telegram is a matter of style, using
uppercase in telex is a must in the international telex network.
I'm starting to think there may have been different ITU-Ts at various
past, or different ITU-Ts for each as-yet-unformed-Fidonet zone. I've looked at some guidelines that uncle Google recommended (about six until gave up), and all the 'letter case' rules and examples are in uppercase ASCII.
TELEX systemIt is some time ago, but in my memory all messages in the
telexwere presented in Uppercase
That however was totally dependant on the presentation layer. All
machines that I have owned and operated did in fact write upper casesymbols,
but there may very well have been other machines that did not wanttheir
machines to shout at their readers. :)
lower-case.Telegrams were printed in upper-case. Telex always has been
here. All inYou may be right, I have no examples laying around anymore.
I still have rolls upon rolls of old telexes somewhere around
upper case. I have never seen a lower case telex. Maybe it wasspecial to
Sweden...?depicting the
In various movies (e.g. Good Morning Vietnam) and TV shows
time, telex printouts always seem to be upper case, so maybe it wasspecial to
the US as well?
jokes ... or when you carefully disect how David Rance
expresses himself.
Or when FLAK is mispelled. Or, was he really 'channelling'
Roberta? Mmm.
Roberta Flack, the singer, or Roberta Flak ... that SS woman ?
AFAIK, they already have a Russian version -- just like e.g. Sweden had
until our editor passed away.
Limiting FidoNet to English only is a problem that needs
correcting. Same as limiting FidoNet to Swedish only would be.
Or any other language. So why keep doing the same stupid thing?
Ah well, CP 850 is the primary code page and default OEM code
page in many countries,
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
All you have to do is look at all the eight bit structures of all our
definitions. Ever since we got 16-bit
and then 32 and now 64-bit systems, I've been fighting with stuff like BF>> big vs. little endians and similar, I happen to know.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
So if contributing FidoNews is restricted to UTF8 only, it will sure
decrease your input.
I still prefer e.g. 'humour' over 'humor' though, but that's just me.
8-)
That is not completely sure.
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
Mine for instance ;-).
That is not completely sure.
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for the 8
bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet systems.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
and then 32 and now 64-bit systems, I've been fighting with stuff
like big vs. little endians and similar, I happen to know.
I have heard that terms before, and I neither understood it.
Hello Michiel,
You forget France.
That may be, but someone at the TV has explained why in the long run
the differences in languages will go away.
You already see it at universities here in The Netherlands. Many
studies are only available in Englisch, not even in Dutch any more.
Even for the Master Study of Dutch, there is a significant declining
in students. Some weeks ago someone warned us for that. The same will happen in Friesland in future. Learning a local language only a small
part speaks, is a kind of waste of energy.
In the same time you could study Englisch, German, Spanisch or French
to widen your horizon. You do the same to commnucate with many
Russians. There are also Russians who write perfectly Englisch, even
if it is not their native language.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
The complex use of apostrophes etc is only a way to distinguish from
other languages, and nothing more.
Yes because not al my systems can display all kinds of code pages.
I have at least 3 different ones.
First I have the UniCorn BBS system at Dos 5 with CP437
Second I have all the RISC OS machines (RiscPC's, Pi's) using Latin 1.
And third the Raspbian Stretch Linux at several other Raspberry Pi's.
The last one can both Latin 1 and UTF8 If I am right.
When I collect some text from a website, I can only save that textfile
If I choose UTF8. Whith the Default Latin 1 the saving gives an error,
and won't save the textfile at all ;-(.
So if contributing FidoNews is restricted to UTF8 only, it will
sure decrease your input.
Ok, thanks for the explanation.
Sorry, but that is zero.
jokes ... or when you carefully disect how David Rance
expresses himself.
Or when FLAK is mispelled. Or, was he really 'channelling'
Roberta? Mmm.
Roberta Flack, the singer, or Roberta Flak ... that SS woman ?
Frankly, my dear fellow, I don't give a damn for either.
had until our editor passed away.AFAIK, they already have a Russian version -- just like e.g. BF>Sweden
Limiting FidoNet to English only is a problem that needs
correcting. Same as limiting FidoNet to Swedish only would be.
Or any other language. So why keep doing the same stupid thing?
If you were the editor of the Snooze, how would you edit an article I submitted written in Maori (supposing that I could include all of the character accents)?
Are you fluent enough in that written language to edit it?
Would you do any better if it was written in Ukrainian?
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
The complex use of apostrophes etc is only a way to distinguish from
other languages, and nothing more.
I have at least 3 different ones.
First I have the UniCorn BBS system at Dos 5 with CP437
Second I have all the RISC OS machines (RiscPC's, Pi's) using Latin 1.
And third the Raspbian Stretch Linux at several other Raspberry Pi's.
The last one can both Latin 1 and UTF8 If I am right.
When I collect some text from a website, I can only save that textfile HD>> If I choose UTF8. Whith the Default Latin 1 the saving gives an error, HD>> and won't save the textfile at all ;-(.
MvdV>>> Not any more.In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
Mine for instance ;-).
MvdV> Note the "AFAIK".That is not completely sure.
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for the 8
bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet systems.
I too wrote software for my 8 bit Flex system to "communicate with
Fidonet systems". I could use it to read and write messages posted on
BBS's participating in Fidonet. But it was not a Fidonet mailer. It
could not do FTS-1.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
I do not know the Node numbers, but the first one was Evert Snel,
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
You definitely must have relatives in the Netherlands.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
That's not the problem,
but that it does not work at my favorite machine,
You can often read that from the context,
so accents not always necessarry.
Many people use them in the wrong way too, or do not use
them at all.
You can write e'e'n in stead, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
You can write Ro"el, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
At the basis school I learned that the trema means a split before the character it is placed on. So Ro"el is correct and Roe"l is
wrong.
Other point is the points on the i with a trema. There should
be three of them not two, because the letter i already has one of its
own. The trema is an extra 2 points, so in total 3. A good typewriter
does this write well, i.e. which all the three points.
That's why I am allways talking about the Point(s) on the i ;-).
The Duth "y with dots are mostly spelled as two characters "ij"
In Germany they do the same by placing a letter e behind
vowels with an Umlaut, nothing wrong with that.
That is a far from my bed show,
I have not the energy for to learn.
You can write UKP for it, no special sign needed ;-).
Yes.
Mine the same.
I have never learned about that special character at schools.
Yes, not every one will follow, we have here someone only writing in
lc. That's a choice others should also respect.
First I have the UniCorn BBS system at Dos 5 with CP437
I am aware of that.
In the fido software you could choose for one at a time only.
Changing after every message was and still is almost undoable.
For the next message you had to leave all the programs, than change codepage, en then start all programs up again,
Even a far from my bed show I have not the energy for.
I had no choice,
I still use it daily, I am writing on it now.
Only the transfer stopped (temporarely) because of a defective RS232
card.
Now I use the Raspberry Pi 1B2 with RISC OS and !ROSBink for that at
IP.
Then I move the received pkt's to it by floppy disk, and the sended
out ones back to the Pi. The Acorn RiscPC is the central machine in
the local net to do the transfers.
Yes.
That is not completely sure.
That's why I was explaining it here.
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for
the 8 bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet
systems.
I too wrote software for my 8 bit Flex system to "communicate with
Fidonet systems". I could use it to read and write messages posted
on BBS's participating in Fidonet. But it was not a Fidonet
mailer. It could not do FTS-1.
Our Acorn BBC B's could do later on with BBCscan.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
I donot know the Node numbers, but the first one was Evert Snel, he
later on moved from The Hague to Eindhoven area and transferred his
body to become a female, they call such people transgenders.
I do not know the Node numbers, but the first one was Evert Snel,
2:512/100 Evert Snel from Delft Holland 1988.01.08 -1989.06.16
2:285/810 Evert Snel from Delft 1993.02.19 - 1994.05.06
2:281/633 Evert Snel from Delft 1994.03.18 - 1996.08.02
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
You definitely must have relatives in the Netherlands.
Negatory.
Regarding
proving your point... You have thrown up so many smoke screens by now
that I have lost track of whatever your point was. Congratulations.
Regarding proving your point... You have thrown up so many smoke screens by now
that I have lost track of whatever your point was. Congratulations.
It is called "Pulling a Witt".
It is called "Pulling a Witt".
He whose name must not be mentioned......
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for
the 8 bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet
systems.
Our Acorn BBC B's could do later on with BBCscan.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
I donot know the Node numbers,
but the first one was Evert Snel, he later on moved from The Hague to
Eindhoven area and transferred his body to become a female,
they call such people transgenders.
Pavel Gulchouck's work can be accessed from the updated first page at fidonet.org, it's not something you unearthed.
Pavel Gulchouck's work can be accessed from the updated first page BF>WD> at fidonet.org, it's not something you unearthed.
Ahhhh, I see. So you want to think that *you* "unearthed" it 12 May
2019? Sorry, but I've known about it for many years before that.
including sysop names and phonenumbers, but today I could not find it anymore :-(. some time i'll see it later. Memory is a difficult matter ;-(.
but the first one was Evert Snel, he later on moved from The
Hague to Eindhoven area and transferred his body to become a
female, they call such people transgenders.
(S)he was for a long time our AcoNet host and also had a FidoNet node number. He wrote BBCscan for tossing and scanning mail from/to PKT for both AcoNet and FidoNet.
That's your coloured view.
I did not have the intention to hide something.
(S)he (Evelien) is still alive and kicking as you can see at her
website. You also know Simon Voortman. He can stand that he ran his
BBS at an Acorn BBC, including AcoNet, but I am unsure when he started being a member of FidoNet, or if he already changed his BBS to a 26
bit Acorn A5000 or Acorn RiscPC. He also used his R7500 for that task
some time. Now he uses a Linux system with Husky.
I'll send you some Dutch files to prove more.
Imagine all the nice articles you could have written in the meantime instead of just pissing around.
As opposed to your claim that there never was an FTN mailer running
on an 8-bit system, you mean?
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
It *does* fail you. The question was what character encoding to use
if you want your article to show as you want it to in the echo -- not
in the actual Fidonews.
Your IPv6 list seems to show OK in both versions every week, no...?
Look here:
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
you unbelievable Thomas.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
Since the first server obviously was found, can it be that the
second link was misspelled and should be:
http://eveliensnel.com/bbs/
Since the first server obviously was found, can it be that
the second link was misspelled and should be:
http://eveliensnel.com/bbs/
I meant http://eveliensnel.com/cv/ obviously.
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
<http://eveliensnel.com/cv>
No it wasn't. It was a permanent "glitch" caused by a missing E in
the URL.
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
... rather than the proper
<http://eveliensnel.com/cv>
And you should have been able to detect that, just as I did,
How? If not the way I did it?
Are you doing a Ward now? Never publicly admit that you made a
mistake?
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-
And you should have been able to detect that, just as I did,
And you could have told me right away instead of wasting my time
over a spelling error.
Congratulations for once again winnig a pissing contest.
Look here:
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
How? If not the way I did it?mistake?
Are you doing a Ward now? Never publicly admit that you made a
On 06-03-19 11:54, David Drummond wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
30C is just balmy.
On 06-03-19 11:54, David Drummond wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
30C is just balmy.
Yep, 30C is just a pleasant day.:)
On 06-03-19 11:33, Kees van Eeten wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It was a nice spring day. Yesterday I returned from a three day
meeting with
R24 Fidonutters. Almost the whole trip from Frankfurt over Hannover to my
place, the car thermometer indicated 33 deg C.
Hello Bjÿrn,Running
On Sunday June 02 2019 11:20, you wrote to me:
MvdV>> Sidetracking into the question if there ever were Fidonet nodes
MvdV>> running on 8 bit systems is just a smoke screen.
As opposed to your claim that there never was an FTN mailer running on an 8-bit system, you mean?
I made no such claim. What I stated was that I did not KNOW of any such systems.
Henri has provided the information that showed such systems DID exist.
on an Acorn system. Thereby disproving your claim:
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS based network.
Which claim was a smoke screen.
MvdV> Sidetracking into the question if there ever were Fidonet nodesrunning
MvdV> on 8 bit systems is just a smoke screen.on an
As opposed to your claim that there never was an FTN mailer running
8-bit system, you mean?
30C is "too hot"?
I spent some weeks this last (southern hemisphere) summer enjoying 44C
day after day.
30C is just balmy.
Yep, 30C is just a pleasant day.:)
It was a nice spring day. Yesterday I returned from a three day
meeting with R24 Fidonutters. Almost the whole trip from Frankfurt
over Hannover to my place, the car thermometer indicated 33 deg C.
30C is "too hot"?
I spent some weeks this last (southern hemisphere) summer enjoying 44C
day after day.
30C is just balmy.
It was a nice spring day. Yesterday I returned from a three day
meeting with R24 Fidonutters. Almost the whole trip from Frankfurt
over Hannover to my place, the car thermometer indicated 33 deg C.
I was born 52.071857 N 4.272893 E near the end of the year.
According to the Weather buro the minimum temerature was -0.1 deg C
and the max was 5.2 deg C
If there is something in my blood it is ethylene-glycol, as not all
rooms were heated.
Your turn. ;)
I was born 52.071857 N 4.272893 E near the end of the year.
According to the Weather buro the minimum temerature was -0.1 deg C
and the max was 5.2 deg C
I was born 52.071857 N 4.272893 E near the end of the year.
You can write e'e'n in stead, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
You can write Ro"el, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
At the basis school I learned that the trema means a split before the character it is placed on. So Ro"el is correct and Roe"l is
wrong.
Other point is the points on the i with a trema. There should
be three of them not two, because the letter i already has one of its
own. The trema is an extra 2 points, so in total 3. A good typewriter
does this write well, i.e. which all the three points.
That's why I am allways talking about the Point(s) on the i ;-).
The Duth "y with dots are mostly spelled as two characters "ij"
I have not the energy for to learn.
You can write UKP for it, no special sign needed ;-).
The problem with thse acronyms is that they are seldom unique.
Yes, not every one will follow, we have here someone only writing in
lc. That's a choice others should also respect.
Even a far from my bed show I have not the energy for.MvdV> Just downloading the program and typing CYRILLIC at the DOS prompt did MvdV> the trick.
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
Since the first server obviously was found, can it be that the second
link was misspelled and should be:
http://eveliensnel.com/bbs/
Look here:
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
you unbelievable Thomas.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
BF > Just asking, without really being interested...
I can not ask you to read only Dutch texts.
you unbelievable Thomas.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
you unbelievable Thomas.
That may be, my English is not as good as that from mr. Timmermans.
Normallyn that is a good point of view.
Yes.
But in this case I was very sure,
because I have seen that software tunning at de Acorn BBC computer of
Simon Voortman at the AcoNet Sysop Meeting in 1992 at his home in Ouddorp.ZH.NL.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
Sorry, that should be: eveliensnel.com
According to the Weather buro the minimum temerature was -0.1 deg C
and the max was 5.2 deg C
If there is something in my blood it is ethylene-glycol, as not all
rooms were heated.
Your turn. ;)
I know when and where I was born. I am not nosy enough to spend time to find out what the weather was then and there.
You can write e'e'n in stead, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
I donot care for that very few occasion.
Why should it be enclosed in quotes?
You can write Ro"el, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
And I have problems to find the right keys for that High ASCII
character I seldom use.
Besides that, on many machines it is something else for that
character, no thanks. Almost no keyboard is the same ;-(.
That's just a much better privacy lock ;-).
You opposed not te be found by Google.
At the basis school I learned that the trema means a split before
the character it is placed on. So Ro"el is correct and Roe"l is
wrong.
It was explicitely explained where the word should be splitted,
i.e. before the letter with the trema on it.
That has nothing to do with it. The trema is needed to split the pronounciation between the two vowels, you normally speach out as one sound.
Of course no one wrote the trema before a letter, but just above.
The Duth "y with dots are mostly spelled as two characters "ij"
I have never seen that at our schools.
We also learned to write the y in two letters without lifting the pen
from the paper.
I only saw that single character after I left my 5 schools I have been
on.
My Swiss made typewriter Hermes 3000 from 1975 indeed does not have.
I have not the energy for to learn.
You are also going to learn at least the 2000 characters in Chinese or Japanes, Thay etc.?
You can write UKP for it, no special sign needed ;-).
The problem with thse acronyms is that they are seldom unique.
Every body will understand the term: this costs UKP 2.000,00
You can not ask everyone to learn everything.
Then you did not read the right links:
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_3.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_5.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_6.html
These 3 tell you the whole story.
From writing FTS1 software PC systems who did not keep to the official standard en he had to bypass that with his self written software
to exhange mail with FidoNet nodes. I think that is much enough proof
of it.
The point was you did not know about the existence of 8 bit fido
systems.
Then you did not read the right links:
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_3.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_5.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_6.html
These 3 tell you the whole story.
From writing FTS1 software PC systems who did not keep to the official HD>> standard en he had to bypass that with his self written software
to exhange mail with FidoNet nodes. I think that is much enough proof
of it.
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 296 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 45:42:11 |
| Calls: | 6,648 |
| Files: | 12,197 |
| Messages: | 5,329,775 |