• Cognitive Test

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Fri Jul 10 21:18:39 2020
    Hello Everybody,

    YOU TOO CAN TAKE THE TEST!!
    CAN YOU MEET THE CHALLENGE?

    Donald "Stable Genius" Trump scored 30/30.

    Not sure if anybody took the test for him,
    as one can only guess. But still, rest assured
    the Leader of the Free World does not have
    early stage dementia. I mean, a perfect score
    is a perfect score.

    Such a hard test. Try it yourself and
    tell me I am lying -

    https://tinyurl.com/y99xwcq8



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jul 11 22:13:43 2020
    Donald "Stable Genius" Trump scored 30/30.

    Any idea of how he'd score on the Louisiana Literacy Test from the 1960s, usually forced voters with darker skin colour than white to take before they were allowed to vote. A prime example of how a bright shining beacon of democracy works, BTW...

    I must admit that I didn't get a 100% score, needed to be allowed to vote. But then again most of the questions were so strangely formulated, I think that a majority of all US voters would fail.

    https://tinyurl.com/y463f6vx


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Sun Jul 12 02:08:02 2020
    On 07-11-20 22:13, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Cognitive Test <=-


    Donald "Stable Genius" Trump scored 30/30.

    Any idea of how he'd score on the Louisiana Literacy
    Test from the 1960s, usually forced voters with darker skin
    colour than white to take before they were allowed to vote.
    A prime example of how a bright shining beacon of democracy
    works, BTW...

    I must admit that I didn't get a 100% score, needed to
    be allowed to vote. But then again most of the questions
    were so strangely formulated, I think that a majority of
    all US voters would fail.

    https://tinyurl.com/y463f6vx

    I looked at that. I would doubt that I could pass it either (at 100%).
    In fact, I have to say that there are enough questions there which are
    so ambiguous as to have any answer be called wrong. The ten minute time
    limit is ridiculous. Plus, I do not see how any of the questions have
    anything to do with being able to cast a legitimate vote.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Sun Jul 12 10:08:16 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/y463f6vx

    I looked at that. I would doubt that I could pass it either (at 100%).
    In fact, I have to say that there are enough questions there which are
    so ambiguous as to have any answer be called wrong. The ten minute time limit is ridiculous. Plus, I do not see how any of the questions have anything to do with being able to cast a legitimate vote.

    Spot on! Exactly my thoughts when first I was made aware of this atrocity. I hope that the state of Louisiana has removed that voting suppression by now... 8-)



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Jul 12 18:14:14 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    https://tinyurl.com/y463f6vx

    I looked at that. I would doubt that I could pass it either (at 100%).
    In fact, I have to say that there are enough questions there which are
    so ambiguous as to have any answer be called wrong. The ten minute
    time limit is ridiculous. Plus, I do not see how any of the questions
    have
    anything to do with being able to cast a legitimate vote.

    Spot on! Exactly my thoughts when first I was made aware of this
    atrocity. I
    hope that the state of Louisiana has removed that voting suppression by now... 8-)

    I remember the test. Not the electronic copy, but the real paper
    version, in which a real pencil was used to take it. It was not only
    used to weed out folks who had no business voting, but also folks
    who had no business mingling in society.

    There is a reason why the US has more psychologists than any other
    country in the world. Along with places where folks can be granted
    free housing. One of those places is located in Jackson, Louisiana.

    Tours are available for those who want to visit. While most of the
    facility is closed to the public due to residents quarters remaining
    private, there is a section that is very popular to see. I do not
    know how to describe it. The facility is old. Very old. And the way
    residents were kept back then was much different than today. This
    part is like a dungeon. Residents were stripped naked, tied to a
    stake, fed from time to time, and basically just left there to rot.

    Anyway, the test you posted online is the same cognitive test used
    by psychologists back in the day. I know, as the state of Louisiana
    was my employ, once upon a time. Had to take an oath, kind of like
    the national security oath, not to tell what went on. So believe me
    when I tell you, we did lots of testing. Lots and lots of testing.

    Now that I have broken the law by telling you what went on, I can
    be arrested - then drawn, sliced and quartered. All for the sake of
    free speech.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Jul 13 04:58:59 2020
    https://tinyurl.com/y463f6vx

    I remember the test. Not the electronic copy, but the real paper
    version, in which a real pencil was used to take it. It was not only
    used to weed out folks who had no business voting, but also folks
    who had no business mingling in society.

    There is a reason why the US has more psychologists than any other
    country in the world. Along with places where folks can be granted
    free housing. One of those places is located in Jackson, Louisiana.

    Tours are available for those who want to visit. While most of the facility is closed to the public due to residents quarters remaining private, there is a section that is very popular to see. I do not
    know how to describe it. The facility is old. Very old. And the way residents were kept back then was much different than today. This
    part is like a dungeon. Residents were stripped naked, tied to a
    stake, fed from time to time, and basically just left there to rot.

    Anyway, the test you posted online is the same cognitive test used
    by psychologists back in the day. I know, as the state of Louisiana
    was my employ, once upon a time. Had to take an oath, kind of like
    the national security oath, not to tell what went on. So believe me
    when I tell you, we did lots of testing. Lots and lots of testing.

    Now that I have broken the law by telling you what went on, I can
    be arrested - then drawn, sliced and quartered. All for the sake of
    free speech.

    Thanks a million Lee for your thoughts! Now that Fidonet has been reduced to a trickle of it's former glory, our world is not spoiled with true contributors from zone 1. The head honcho in the White House as well as the one in Z1 Fidonet seems to be out of touch with the rest of the world.

    However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate his criminal behaviour. Seriously?


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Mon Jul 13 01:20:04 2020
    On 07-12-20 10:08, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Cognitive Test <=-

    I looked at that. I would doubt that I could pass it either (at 100%).
    In fact, I have to say that there are enough questions there which are
    so ambiguous as to have any answer be called wrong. The ten minute time limit is ridiculous. Plus, I do not see how any of the questions have anything to do with being able to cast a legitimate vote.

    Spot on! Exactly my thoughts when first I was made aware of this atrocity. I hope that the state of Louisiana has removed
    that voting suppression by now... 8-)

    I believe that they have. They have also removed the law that says that
    a person with as little as 1/8 colored blood cannot marry a person who
    is white.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jul 13 15:10:34 2020
    Hello Dale,

    I looked at that. I would doubt that I could pass it either (at 100%).
    In fact, I have to say that there are enough questions there which are
    so ambiguous as to have any answer be called wrong. The ten minute time
    limit is ridiculous. Plus, I do not see how any of the questions have
    anything to do with being able to cast a legitimate vote.

    Spot on! Exactly my thoughts when first I was made aware of this
    atrocity. I hope that the state of Louisiana has removed
    that voting suppression by now... 8-)

    I believe that they have. They have also removed the law that says that
    a person with as little as 1/8 colored blood cannot marry a person who
    is white.

    The 1/32 one-drop rule was repealed by the state of Louisiana back
    in 1983, but was last used in 1980. Under this rule, I qualify as being
    black, along with over two thirds of the rest of the state.

    https://www.baystatebanner.com/2017/12/27/u-s-still-clings-to-one-
    drop-rule/


    Not sure if any other states still have this one-drop rule on
    their books. But even if so, I doubt it is still being enforced
    anywhere.

    Voter suppression is nothing new. And is again becoming more and
    more prevalant today. Even though early voting and voting by mail
    is also becoming more and more the norm rather than the exception.

    President Trump voted by mail during the Republican primary in
    Florida. But he rants about "voter fraud" concerning voting by mail.
    What a hypocrite.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Mon Jul 13 15:10:44 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    https://tinyurl.com/y463f6vx

    I remember the test. Not the electronic copy, but the real paper
    version, in which a real pencil was used to take it. It was not only
    used to weed out folks who had no business voting, but also folks
    who had no business mingling in society.

    There is a reason why the US has more psychologists than any other
    country in the world. Along with places where folks can be granted
    free housing. One of those places is located in Jackson, Louisiana.

    Tours are available for those who want to visit. While most of the
    facility is closed to the public due to residents quarters remaining
    private, there is a section that is very popular to see. I do not
    know how to describe it. The facility is old. Very old. And the way
    residents were kept back then was much different than today. This
    part is like a dungeon. Residents were stripped naked, tied to a
    stake, fed from time to time, and basically just left there to rot.

    Anyway, the test you posted online is the same cognitive test used
    by psychologists back in the day. I know, as the state of Louisiana
    was my employ, once upon a time. Had to take an oath, kind of like
    the national security oath, not to tell what went on. So believe me
    when I tell you, we did lots of testing. Lots and lots of testing.

    Now that I have broken the law by telling you what went on, I can
    be arrested - then drawn, sliced and quartered. All for the sake of
    free speech.

    Thanks a million Lee for your thoughts! Now that Fidonet has been reduced to a trickle of it's former glory, our world is not spoiled with true contributors from zone 1. The head honcho in the White House as well as the one in Z1 Fidonet seems to be out of touch with the rest of the world.

    Well, with the Canadian PM painting his face in blackface and
    the POTUS painting his face in orange, they do make an odd couple.

    However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    Oh, that's easy. Hire an Attorney General who acts as your personal
    lawyer, and then commute the sentence of a convicted felon who has a
    tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back, and then have that felon manage
    your campaign for winning a second term in office.

    As you know, no president can be charged with having committed a
    crime while in office. Although he can be subpoenaed by the Congress.
    And then, after he is sworn in to give his own testimony, he can take
    the fifth, never having to say a word.

    Once he leaves the witness stand, he has everything he needs to
    have his AG investigate the criminal behavior of those members of
    Congress who questioned him. And then heads will roll ...

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bj”rn Felten on Tue Jul 14 02:21:50 2020
    On 13/07/2020 12:58, 2203/2 wrote:

       However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate
    his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 14 02:23:14 2020
    On 13/07/2020 23:10, 2203/2 wrote:

    As you know, no president can be charged with having committed a
    crime while in office. Although he can be subpoenaed by the Congress.
    And then, after he is sworn in to give his own testimony, he can take
    the fifth, never having to say a word.

    Once he leaves the witness stand, he has everything he needs to
    have his AG investigate the criminal behavior of those members of
    Congress who questioned him. And then heads will roll ...

    Life in a free country...

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to David Drummond on Mon Jul 13 14:58:00 2020
    David Drummond wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

    + +  However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate
    his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    I love how all you non-USA-citizens are so all-knowing about every
    single aspect of life in the USA.

    The truth is that you're both clueless.


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  • From Jon Justvig@1:298/26 to Dan Clough on Mon Jul 13 21:30:59 2020
    Re: Re: Cognitive Test
    By: Dan Clough to David Drummond on Mon Jul 13 2020 02:58 pm

    David Drummond wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

    I love how all you non-USA-citizens are so all-knowing about every
    single aspect of life in the USA.

    The truth is that you're both clueless.

    As-if! ;)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Jul 14 03:13:16 2020
    Hello David,

    ÿÿ However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a
    dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate
    his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    The Queen has the power. Prince Andrew has to wait his turn.

    The Donald has the power. His idiot children have to wait their turn.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Tue Jul 14 06:06:33 2020
    I love how all you non-USA-citizens are so all-knowing about every
    single aspect of life in the USA.

    I hate how all you Fox News believers are so not-knowing about every single aspect of life in the USA. Even Youtube seems to be a more reliable news source...



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 14 06:09:51 2020
    The Donald has the power. His idiot children have to wait their turn.

    Do you think there's a real possibility that he'll refuse to leave the office after his loss in November?



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Jul 14 06:55:23 2020
    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    Well, strangely enough, the SCOTUS (supreme court of the USA) recently ruled that the POTUS is *not* above the law. With a 7-2 ruling even with several judges appointed by the Trump.

    Yeah, well you can probably understand how this so called democracy works?



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 14 07:09:46 2020
    Once he leaves the witness stand, he has everything he needs to
    have his AG investigate the criminal behaviour of those members of Congress who questioned him. And then heads will roll ...

    Holy shit!

    And this is what the US Constitution not only says, but even intended? Jeeezzzz.

    What a screwed up society. No wonder that 1% of the richest families has been given 99% from the rest. But how can 25% be so incredibly stupid that they think this is best for them?



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Tue Jul 14 01:33:04 2020
    On 07-13-20 04:58, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Cognitive Test <=-

    However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to
    investigate his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    Truth is he cannot fire every such person. The federal government
    employees are made up of two sorts of people.

    The people at the top are usually what are called political appointees
    and serve at the pleasure of the President. He has the right to appoint
    them and to fire them. Theorectially, he is not supposed to do either
    for corrupt purposes, but that is hard to prove and even harder (read impossible) to convict.

    Underneath those people are career civil servants. Those people cannot
    be fired without extreme documentation and appeals. Trust me, I tried
    to do it once. There are enough protections in place to protect them
    that it is next to impossible to fire a career employee. Depending on
    the department, many of them are dedicated and talented individuals. It
    is them who do most of the heavy lifting. The problem is that it is the political appointees at the top who get to supervise and direct what can
    and can not be done.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 14 01:02:16 2020
    Re: Cognitive Test
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 14 2020 06:09:51

    Do you think there's a real possibility that he'll refuse to leave the office after his loss in November?

    It's entirely possible that he doesn't lose. The dems seem to be failing badly at figuring out how to get Biden to resonate with their base, and that was what
    brought Hilary down.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kostie Muirhead on Tue Jul 14 13:05:02 2020
    Do you think there's a real possibility that he'll refuse to leave the
    office after his loss in November?

    It's entirely possible that he doesn't lose.

    HOLY SHIT!!!! You mean that it's actually possible that the US will have four more years down the drains? Out of 320 million people, there's a majority that actually wants this empire crash to happen?

    Nah. Methinks you should stay away from Tucker Carlson...


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  • From Kostie Muirhead@1:342/17 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 14 05:27:26 2020
    Re: Cognitive Test
    By: Bj”rn Felten to Kostie Muirhead on Tue Jul 14 2020 13:05:02

    HOLY SHIT!!!! You mean that it's actually possible that the US will have four more years down the drains? Out of 320 million people, there's a majority that actually wants this empire crash to happen?
    Nah. Methinks you should stay away from Tucker Carlson...

    *shrugs* I don't watch any American news, it just about all rots your brain regardless where you lie on the political spectrum.

    As for whether people vote sensibly... here in Canada we just recently re-elected a man who was caught in blackface on at least 3 occasions, is the only sitting Prime Minister to be convicted of ethics violations, and has ended
    up convicted of MULTIPLE of said ethics violations, and has presided over national unity hitting record lows. And we re-elected him because his party was
    able to convince enough people that the other major contender MIGHT do something vaguely Racist or Unethical. Despite the fact said oponent had spent the better part of a decade as Speaker of the House and was fairly universally applauded for acting with integrity and beyond party lines in that role.

    If Biden wants to win he's got to convince the Democratic base (at the very least) that he has something to offer other than just not being Trump.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kostie Muirhead on Tue Jul 14 13:47:57 2020
    As for whether people vote sensibly... here in Canada we just recently re-elected a man who was caught in blackface on at least 3 occasions, is
    the
    only sitting Prime Minister to be convicted of ethics violations, and has
    ended
    up convicted of MULTIPLE of said ethics violations, and has presided over national unity hitting record lows. And we re-elected him because his
    party was
    able to convince enough people that the other major contender MIGHT do something vaguely Racist or Unethical. Despite the fact said oponent had
    spent
    the better part of a decade as Speaker of the House and was fairly
    universally
    applauded for acting with integrity and beyond party lines in that role.

    Ouch! I realize that I have to brush up on Canuck history. I got lost somewhere between The Arrow (fabulous fighter plane) and Canadian Bacon (fabulous movie).




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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jul 14 14:10:05 2020
    The problem is that it is the
    political appointees at the top who get to supervise and direct what can and can not be done.

    Ouch. Big democratic problem detected...

    But would it be impossible to force the POTUS to at least write the executive orders personally?

    I just read his "Executive Grant of Clemency" for his loyal friend Roger Stone, sentenced to 40 months in prison, and I doubt that Donald would be able to write something like that even if he got another four years trying...



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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Kostie Muirhead on Tue Jul 14 10:22:28 2020
    On 14 Jul 20 05:27:26, Kostie Muirhead said the following to Bj*Rn Felten:

    As for whether people vote sensibly... here in Canada we just recently re-elected a man who was caught in blackface on at least 3 occasions, is
    th
    only sitting Prime Minister to be convicted of ethics violations, and has up convicted of MULTIPLE of said ethics violations, and has presided over

    Our PM was only elected because of his last name... and hairstyle.

    Nick

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dan Clough on Tue Jul 14 10:26:25 2020
    On 13 Jul 20 14:58:00, Dan Clough said the following to David Drummond:

    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    I love how all you non-USA-citizens are so all-knowing about every
    single aspect of life in the USA.

    Its all just a gimmick, has been for decades.

    Nick

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 14 17:29:43 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    The Donald has the power. His idiot children have to wait their turn.

    Do you think there's a real possibility that he'll refuse to leave the office after his loss in November?

    He'll claim it is "Fake News!" and his idiot children will believe him.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 14 19:47:10 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    The problem is that it is the
    political appointees at the top who get to supervise and direct what can
    and can not be done.

    Ouch. Big democratic problem detected...

    Bureaucracy. The greatest invention of mankind.
    Along with the bureaucrats who run it.

    But would it be impossible to force the POTUS to at least write the executive orders personally?

    He has a pen. Made in China. Talk about Make America Great Again.

    I just read his "Executive Grant of Clemency" for his loyal friend Roger Stone, sentenced to 40 months in prison, and I doubt that Donald would be able to write something like that even if he got another four years trying...

    And yet his hand-picked AG says he told his boss *not* to do it ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 14 19:47:15 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Once he leaves the witness stand, he has everything he needs to
    have his AG investigate the criminal behaviour of those members of
    Congress who questioned him. And then heads will roll ...

    Holy shit!

    I am being serious.

    And this is what the US Constitution not only says, but even intended? Jeeezzzz.

    Your thoughts are not your own. That is what the US Constitution
    teaches us. As it should teach the entire world. Just think about
    it. The US Constitution is the world's oldest written constitution
    still in use today. Almost every country on earth has used it in
    order to write their own version.

    What a screwed up society. No wonder that 1% of the richest families has been given 99% from the rest. But how can 25% be so incredibly stupid
    that
    they think this is best for them?

    It's the writing effect. For thousands upon thousands of years nobody
    knew how to read or write. Then, one day, somebody figured out how to
    make carvings into a rock. Got me so far? Let's continue -

    Written language, such as it was, then remained in the hands of
    only an infinitely small percentage of the world's population. Much
    less than one percent. This is how the world lived for at least the
    next 5000 years. The only folks who could read and write were rulers
    and their religious leaders.

    Then came Jesus. He/she could not read or write. But he/she
    sure taught us how to pray.

    Without writing, civilization as we know it would not exist.

    The pen is mightier than the sword. As the world found out when
    the US Constitution was passed and ratified, creating a Christian
    nation known as the United States of America.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 14 23:18:20 2020
    The US Constitution is the world's oldest written constitution
    still in use today.

    I beg to differ. Yes, if you ignore all the amendments. But no, if you take into account the original document. The Swedish constitution (Grundlagen) is based on the V„stg”talagen from circa 1250 AD. I think that's a wee bit older than your constitution, no? 8-)

    And yes, we've had quite a few amendments and other adjustments made to it since. DUH! But just the same, the original is more than 800 years old.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Björn Felten on Wed Jul 15 01:35:07 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    The US Constitution is the world's oldest written constitution
    still in use today.

    I beg to differ. Yes, if you ignore all the amendments. But no, if you take
    into account the original document. The Swedish constitution (Grundlagen)
    is based on the V„stg”talagen from circa 1250 AD. I think that's a wee bit older than your constitution, no? 8-)

    And yes, we've had quite a few amendments and other adjustments made to it
    since. DUH! But just the same, the original is more than 800 years old.

    But ... but ... but ... it is *not* in *ENGLISH!*

    Thank goodness Louisiana abides by the Code Napoleon ...

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Tue Jul 14 20:49:00 2020
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    I love how all you non-USA-citizens are so all-knowing about every
    single aspect of life in the USA.

    Its all just a gimmick, has been for decades.

    Are you saying these clowns are just spewing their garbage to push
    people's buttons, and are not really as retarded as they appear to
    be? I ask because they seem genuinely stupid, to me.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Wed Jul 15 05:29:28 2020
    I ask because they seem genuinely stupid, to me.

    Stupid is as stupid does.



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Wed Jul 15 01:38:02 2020
    On 07-14-20 14:10, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Cognitive Test <=-

    But would it be impossible to force the POTUS to at
    least write the executive orders personally?

    That is why he (and others) has (have) speech writers. Tell them what
    you want, then sign it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Dan Clough on Wed Jul 15 09:12:16 2020
    On 14 Jul 20 20:49:00, Dan Clough said the following to Nick Andre:

    Its all just a gimmick, has been for decades.

    Are you saying these clowns are just spewing their garbage to push people's buttons, and are not really as retarded as they appear to
    be? I ask because they seem genuinely stupid, to me.

    100% correct. Its all just an act or a gimmick to either generate message traffic or gaslight/troll American Sysops. You should of been here for the morbidly childish "sitcom canned laughter" debate of the early 2000's...

    Nick

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jul 15 16:01:04 2020
    Hello Dale,

    On Tuesday July 14 2020 01:33, you wrote to Bj”Rn Felten:

    Underneath those people are career civil servants. Those people
    cannot be fired without extreme documentation and appeals. Trust me,
    I tried to do it once. There are enough protections in place to
    protect them that it is next to impossible to fire a career employee.

    It is my understanding that Trump can not Fire Dr Fauci. But apparently he can make things difficult for him by "isolating" him from the media. Correct?


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Thu Jul 16 02:40:21 2020
    On 14/07/2020 05:58, 1123/115 wrote:

     BF>>   However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a
     BF>> dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate
     BF>> his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

     DD>> As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    I love how all you non-USA-citizens are so all-knowing about every
    single aspect of life in the USA.

    ROFL - only a USAian can possibly know about anything outside their county borders?

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jul 16 02:42:37 2020
    On 14/07/2020 11:13, 2203/2 wrote:

     BF>>>    However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being
     BF>>> dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate
     BF>>> his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

     DD>> As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    The Queen has the power. Prince Andrew has to wait his turn.

    You think Lizzy is not going to protect her second son?

    The Donald has the power. His idiot children have to wait their turn.

    I'm sure that the Orange One would protect his kids too.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Björn Felten on Thu Jul 16 02:44:00 2020
    On 14/07/2020 14:55, 2203/2 wrote:
     DD>> As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

       Well, strangely enough, the SCOTUS (supreme court of the USA) recently ruled that the POTUS is *not* above the law. With a 7-2 ruling even with several judges appointed by the Trump.

       Yeah, well you can probably understand how this so called democracy works?

    Won't he just sack them, and pardon himself?

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Thu Jul 16 02:50:40 2020
    On 15/07/2020 11:49, 1123/115 wrote:

     NA>> Its all just a gimmick, has been for decades.

    Are you saying these clowns are just spewing their garbage to push people's buttons, and are not really as retarded as they appear to
    be?  I ask because they seem genuinely stupid, to me.

    Huh? Us stupid?

    We don't live in USA...

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Nick Andre on Wed Jul 15 20:37:00 2020
    Nick Andre wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Its all just a gimmick, has been for decades.

    Are you saying these clowns are just spewing their garbage to push people's buttons, and are not really as retarded as they appear to
    be? I ask because they seem genuinely stupid, to me.

    100% correct. Its all just an act or a gimmick to either generate
    message traffic or gaslight/troll American Sysops. You should of
    been here for the morbidly childish "sitcom canned laughter"
    debate of the early 2000's...

    I guess I'm glad I missed that. I was around in the mid-90's, and
    remember reading the Snooze, but don't really recall any drama and
    bullshit. Things were so much busier then that I may have missed
    it, too. Maybe the clowns do it out of boredom, and have nothing
    else to do with their miserable, meaningless lives. <SHRUG>



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Thu Jul 16 07:05:31 2020
    Maybe the clowns do it out of boredom, and have nothing
    else to do with their miserable, meaningless lives.

    Then how do you and Nick explain doing it? Even worse boredom and miserable, meaningless lives?

    If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen already...

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Thu Jul 16 01:21:00 2020
    On 07-15-20 16:01, Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Cognitive Test <=-


    Underneath those people are career civil servants. Those people
    cannot be fired without extreme documentation and appeals. Trust me,
    I tried to do it once. There are enough protections in place to
    protect them that it is next to impossible to fire a career employee.

    MVDV> It is my understanding that Trump can not Fire Dr Fauci. But
    MVDV> apparently he can make things difficult for him by "isolating" him
    MVDV> from the media. Correct?

    I believe that is correct. Trump can only fire the political
    appointees, and I'm pretty sure that Fauci is a long time careed civil
    servant. OTOH, Fauci is still talking to the media -- even if Trump
    does not want to talk with him.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jul 16 08:39:45 2020
    OTOH, Fauci is still talking to the media -- even if Trump
    does not want to talk with him.

    So Dr. Fauci is something of a bright shining beacon in the darkness of the Trump administration?



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Thu Jul 16 07:40:00 2020
    Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Maybe the clowns do it out of boredom, and have nothing
    else to do with their miserable, meaningless lives.

    Then how do you and Nick explain doing it?

    Okay, so you really are that dense. I'll explain for you - read
    slowly please.

    Easy. We don't do it. The "it" here is making trolling posts, slamming/insulting other countries/peoples, claiming to know
    everything about daily life in another country, calling other
    world leaders names like a petty child, and continually
    bad-mouthing the one country that pretty much ensures your own
    safety and prosperity.

    Oh, and carrying on lengthy conversations with ourselves, thinking
    that others in the group actually don't know that you're talking
    to your made up alter-ego.

    Yep. There. Now you know.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu Jul 16 17:18:08 2020
    Hello Michiel,

    Underneath those people are career civil servants. Those people
    cannot be fired without extreme documentation and appeals. Trust me,
    I tried to do it once. There are enough protections in place to
    protect them that it is next to impossible to fire a career employee.

    MvdV> It is my understanding that Trump can not Fire Dr Fauci.

    Technically, no. Except for just cause (limited to poor performance,
    or failure to follow orders). Even then, Dr. Fauci could appeal, which
    would be a time-consuming process.

    MvdV> But apparently he can make things difficult for him by "isolating" him from
    MvdV> the media. Correct?

    Difficult? How difficult was it for Dr. Fauci to get his message
    out by having an interview with The Atlantic magazine, with the news
    media quoting his every word - from both the video interview and the
    print edition?

    Sure, Trump has sidelined the good doctor, keeping him away from
    press briefings and media interviews. Trump even claims to have dropped
    him from his "panel of experts". Now ask yourself this question -
    When was the last time Donald Trump held a press briefing with his
    "panel of experts"? Been quite a while. Over a month.

    One more question -

    Who do you think the American people are listening to - the man who
    tells the truth, or the man who is a pathological liar?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Thu Jul 16 17:18:14 2020
    Hello Dale,

    Underneath those people are career civil servants. Those people
    cannot be fired without extreme documentation and appeals. Trust me,
    I tried to do it once. There are enough protections in place to
    protect them that it is next to impossible to fire a career employee.

    MVDV>> It is my understanding that Trump can not Fire Dr Fauci. But
    MVDV>> apparently he can make things difficult for him by "isolating" him
    MVDV>> from the media. Correct?

    I believe that is correct.

    Under federal law, no president has the power to directly fire
    a career civil servant (such as Dr. Fauci), and remove him from
    government.

    However, a president can make his life miserable, by ordering his
    political appointees to dismiss him. However, doing so will not end
    the matter as Dr. Fauci could appeal - and you know how much time
    that can take.

    Except for just cause (limited to poor performance, or failure
    to follow orders, etc.), a president cannot "fire" a career civil
    servant. Even if he does, no matter how incompetent the president
    might think the schmuck might be, he would have right to appeal.

    Trump can only fire the political appointees, and I'm pretty sure that
    Fauci
    is a long time careed civil servant.

    Political appointees serve at the pleasure of the president.
    As such, he can let them go any time he wants. With, or without
    reason. Dr. Fauci is a career civil servant, age 79, serving as
    director of the NIH since 1984 ...

    OTOH, Fauci is still talking to the media -- even if Trump
    does not want to talk with him.

    Trump has clearly sidelined him, keeping him away from press
    briefings and media interviews. But when was the last time he
    had one of those, with his "panel of experts" beside him? His
    claim of having dropped Dr. Fauci from his "panel of experts"
    has fallen on deaf ears, given the last time any of them even
    talked to him.

    Meanwhile, Dr. Fauci had a field day talking with The Atlantic,
    with the news media quoting his every word - both from the video
    interview and the print edition.

    --Lee

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Bj÷rn Felten on Thu Jul 16 07:49:00 2020
    Björn Felten wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    So Dr. Fauci is something of a bright shining beacon in the darkness
    of the Trump administration?

    He's been around long before the current administration, and he'll
    (hopefully) be with us for long afterwards.

    He's served the public under Reagan, Clinton, GHW Bush, GW Bush, Obama
    and now Trump.




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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to BjöRn Felten on Fri Jul 17 01:04:00 2020
    On 07-16-20 08:39, Bj”rn Felten <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Cognitive Test <=-


    OTOH, Fauci is still talking to the media -- even if Trump
    does not want to talk with him.

    So Dr. Fauci is something of a bright shining beacon in
    the darkness of the Trump administration?

    Technically, he is not part of the Trump administration -- he is part of
    the federal government and is independent of Trump.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dan Clough on Fri Jul 17 18:00:54 2020
    On 16/07/2020 22:40, 1123/115 wrote:

    and continually bad-mouthing the one country that pretty much ensures
    your own
    safety and prosperity.

    ROFL.

    WE know nothing about things in your country but you are intimate with the security and financial details of ours?

    Yeah sure..

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Fri Jul 17 18:43:07 2020
    WE know nothing about things in your country but you are intimate with
    the security and financial details of ours?

    And he's proud of it. Typical for the Dunning-Kruger effect:

    https://tinyurl.com/ch94y5w



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to BJâ•“RN FELTEN on Fri Jul 17 19:35:00 2020
    On 07-14-20, BJöRN FELTEN said to LEE LOFASO:

    The Donald has the power. His idiot children have to wait their turn.

    Do you think there's a real possibility that he'll refuse to leave the BF>office after his loss in November?


    No. In fact, I suspect he'll move out several days prior to the deadline.



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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALL on Fri Jul 17 19:59:00 2020
    On 07-14-20, DALE SHIPP said to BJöRN FELTEN:

    On 07-13-20 04:58, Björn Felten <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Cognitive Test <=-

    However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to
    investigate his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    Truth is he cannot fire every such person. The federal government DS>employees are made up of two sorts of people.

    The people at the top are usually what are called political appointees DS>and serve at the pleasure of the President. He has the right to appoint DS>them and to fire them. Theorectially, he is not supposed to do either
    for corrupt purposes, but that is hard to prove and even harder (read DS>impossible) to convict.

    Underneath those people are career civil servants. Those people cannot DS>be fired without extreme documentation and appeals. Trust me, I tried
    to do it once. There are enough protections in place to protect them DS>that it is next to impossible to fire a career employee. Depending on DS>the department, many of them are dedicated and talented individuals. It DS>is them who do most of the heavy lifting. The problem is that it is the DS>political appointees at the top who get to supervise and direct what can DS>and can not be done.


    While campaigning in Des Moines, Iowa, Hillary Clinton poo poo'ed the notion that the firing of 8 US attorney's equated to the 93 her husband Bill canned in 1993 when he became president.


    She further stated (get ready); `Thats a traditional prerogative of an
    incoming president.'


    BTW...I don't recall any `uproar' when Clinton did that, either.


    She then went on to say; (high hypocrite warning on) `.....we have a devotion to the rule of law.'


    I know....I couldn't help snickering either.




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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Jul 18 06:48:40 2020
    She further stated (get ready); `Thats a traditional prerogative of an incoming president.'

    Interesting observation, thanks a lot Tim. Is that the general US conception of how the incoming POTUS shall act? Is firing and replacing everyone in the government, without any reason, the norm for every new POTUS?

    What a waste of cumulative knowledge -- no wonder USA is best in the world when it comes to spreading the corona virus... :(



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sat Jul 18 09:02:52 2020
    Do you think there's a real possibility that he'll refuse to leave the TR>BF>office after his loss in November?

    No. In fact, I suspect he'll move out several days prior to the deadline.

    As every outgoing President does.

    The time spent for the oath and other things is used by a well-oiled WH-crew to change everything, throwing photos out if the ex-potus didn't take them. throw matresses out (don't want a Prez to sleep on the previous Prez' mattress0, etc so when later after all the parties and dances that day the Prez can go "home'.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Thu Jul 23 02:51:01 2020
    Hello David,

    However, can you explain to us how a POTUS (supposedly not being a
    dictator) can have the power to fire every person able to investigate
    his criminal behaviour. Seriously?

    As with Prince Andrew, Donald Trump is above the law.

    The Queen has the power. Prince Andrew has to wait his turn.

    You think Lizzy is not going to protect her second son?

    Why should she? He's a Big Boy now and can take care of himself.

    The Donald has the power. His idiot children have to wait their turn.

    I'm sure that the Orange One would protect his kids too.

    Why should he? He has only himself to care about.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to BJâ•“RN FELTEN on Sat Jul 25 00:51:00 2020
    On 07-18-20, BJöRN FELTEN said to TIM RICHARDSON:


    She further stated (get ready); `Thats a traditional prerogative of an incoming president.'


    Interesting observation, thanks a lot Tim. Is that the general US BF>conception of how the incoming POTUS shall act? Is firing and replacing BF>everyone in the government, without any reason, the norm for every new BF>POTUS? What a waste of cumulative knowledge -- no wonder USA is best in BF>the world when it comes to spreading the corona virus... :(


    It is in fact the decision of every incoming president to make. They are not bound to keep all the people the previous president appointed to carry out `their' agenda (whatever that happened to be).


    I'm sure this isn't unique to the United States. But then I'm not surprised to see this made-up shock from a bunch of foreigners (nor the US leftie
    democrats, either).


    Tagline....."Even though straws were banned in California...democrats still suck!"


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