• Charlie Daniels RIP

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Mon Jul 6 23:00:24 2020
    Hello Everybody,

    The Devil went down to Georgia to pay his last respects
    to the only man who ever beat him at his own game.

    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 7 01:23:05 2020
    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    Sorry, but that seems a wee bit too US specific to be of any interest to the 96% of the non USAians in the world.

    Considering how many of your 4% that take part of the discussions here, maybe you should try to make your postings a little bit more interesting to a global readership, no?



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 7 02:44:49 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    Sorry, but that seems a wee bit too US specific to be of any interest to
    the
    96% of the non USAians in the world.

    I get that. But there is a reason why this particular musician
    should be noted.

    Considering how many of your 4% that take part of the discussions here, maybe you should try to make your postings a little bit more interesting
    to
    a global readership, no?

    Most of Daniels' greatest hits were in the 1970s. Kind of a country
    rock type of sound. As a musician, he was only average, in my opinion.
    But he did have some hits, which is more a matter of marketing than
    talent.

    After he became famous, he continued to tour. He always waited
    until the end of each performance to play any of the songs his fans
    wanted most to hear. None of his other stuff was any good, and to
    be honest truly sucked.

    Had he continued just playing music would have been fine. But
    after making megabucks with the few hits he had in the 1970s, he
    decided to open his big fat mouth revealing to the entire world
    he was a right-wing nutcase. He really went off the rails with the
    Benghazi affair, blaming Hillary Clinton for everything under the
    sun.

    What should be noted is not so much his political views. But
    rather the fact that no effort was made by anybody on the left
    to have him silenced for his views. All his recordings remain
    available for anybody to buy, his songs still being aired, and
    free speech never impeded.

    Compare this with how those on the right treat musicians whose
    views they find contrary to their own. For them, there is a litmus
    test. Either a musician is a Trumper, or a musician is part of the
    Resistance. With no middle ground.

    During Donald Trump's first campaign event (in Tulsa, Oklahoma),
    the theme song being played was "You Can't Always Get What You Want"
    by the Rolling Stones. After the event, the Rolling Stones issued
    a cease and desist order for Trump to quit playing their song.

    Right-wing nutcases take their music seriously. Including music
    that is not their own. What happens when the POTUS has no respect
    for who writes/owns the songs?

    Bob Dylan used his own voice to help shape American values.
    So did Bruce Springsteen. But who is raising their own voice
    today? Seems many folks enjoy pointing fingers. But nobody
    wants to raise their own voice in any effort to shape the
    values we should all have as Americans.

    What about the values every person on this planet should have?
    Should everybody obey whatever values Trump & Co. proclaim?

    In Italy of long ago, Italians loudly proclaimed "Il Duce is
    always right." Today in America many are proclaiming "Trump
    is alays right." Nothing else matters for them. Nothing.

    Music is people's experience. It is a statement of what people
    truly believe, based on their own experience of what is.

    Trump is playing a song his followers want to believe, but
    know is not true. And will never admit the truth, as doing so
    would be admitting a lie.

    Charlie Daniels was an average musician who got lucky having
    a few hits, but had the morals of a skunk. His political views
    did not reflect what the majority of Americans believe. Had he
    not had any hits, he would have been forgotten long ago.

    End of rant.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 7 12:05:06 2020
    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    Sorry, but that seems a wee bit too US specific to be of any interest
    to the 96% of the non USAians in the world.

    Considering how many of your 4% that take part of the discussions
    here, maybe you should try to make your postings a little bit more interesting to a global readership, no?

    Charlie Daniels and his hit "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" is a classic.

    An expert at good music such as yourself, knows that.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jul 7 13:19:10 2020
    Hello Ward,

    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    Sorry, but that seems a wee bit too US specific to be of any interest
    to the 96% of the non USAians in the world.

    Considering how many of your 4% that take part of the discussions
    here, maybe you should try to make your postings a little bit more
    interesting to a global readership, no?

    Charlie Daniels and his hit "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" is a
    classic.

    An expert at good music such as yourself, knows that.

    Written in 1979. Daniels had very few big hits. None of them recent. Politically, he liked Carter and called him a straight shooter. From
    there his views moved further and further to the right, to the point
    of being extremist. He was very active on Twitter, and had a section
    on his web site called the "soap box" where he posted his rants. He
    hated Obama with a passion, and absolutely adored Trump.

    "Lord, give us the courage to speak our mind, to be honest, and
    bold about our feelings, no matter who, or how many we go against."
    ~ Charlie Daniels, last tweet hours before his death

    --Lee

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jul 9 19:47:00 2020
    On 07-07-20 12:05, Ward Dossche wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    Sorry, but that seems a wee bit too US specific to be of any interest
    to the 96% of the non USAians in the world.

    Considering how many of your 4% that take part of the discussions
    here, maybe you should try to make your postings a little bit more interesting to a global readership, no?

    Charlie Daniels and his hit "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" is a
    classic.

    Most definitely. Well known outside the USA.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Tony Langdon on Thu Jul 9 16:13:06 2020
    Hello Tony,

    Charlie Daniels, dead at 83. May he RIP.

    Sorry, but that seems a wee bit too US specific to be of any interest
    to the 96% of the non USAians in the world.

    Considering how many of your 4% that take part of the discussions
    here, maybe you should try to make your postings a little bit more
    interesting to a global readership, no?

    Charlie Daniels and his hit "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" is a
    classic.

    Most definitely. Well known outside the USA.

    Bj”rn does have a valid point, that this echo does have an
    international audience - not specific to any country. Although
    I do try to keep that in mind, I do somethimes forget. Some
    musicians, such as Daniels, did have an international audience.
    Others not so much.

    Who decides what is, and what is not, of interest? The audience,
    whatever that audience is or happens to be. Some folks loved Daniels'
    music. Others hated it. Their choice.

    His political views were moderate during the 70s and 80s, but
    went wildly to the right as the years went by. He never had any
    major hits after his megahit in 1979, which shows he was more
    of a lazy musician than a good one.

    Most music fans do not care what political views their favorite
    musician might have. All they care about is listening to the music,
    and seeing him/her in person (if possible).

    Now it is time for me to get back to my keyboard. The one with
    white and black keys ...

    --Lee

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Jul 9 17:22:48 2020
    Hello Lee,

    On Thursday July 09 2020 16:13, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

    Who decides what is, and what is not, of interest? The audience,
    whatever that audience is or happens to be. Some folks loved Daniels' music. Others hated it. Their choice.

    You forget the third posibility: those that have never heard of him.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu Jul 9 22:18:13 2020
    MvdV> You forget the third possibility: those that have never heard of him.

    Hands up. Not my kind of music.



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Ward Dossche on Thu Jul 9 21:21:36 2020
    Hello Ward!

    07 Jul 20 12:05, Ward Dossche wrote to Björn Felten:


    Charlie Daniels and his hit "The Devil Went Down To Georgia" is a classic.

    Never heard of him. Must be the mercy of a more recent birth for me.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Thu Jul 9 23:24:42 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    On Thursday July 09 2020 22:18, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> You forget the third possibility: those that have never heard
    MvdV>> of him.

    Hands up. Not my kind of music.

    I have never heard of him. So never heard of of him that I do not know what kind of music was his. So I don't know if it was my kind of music or not...

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu Jul 9 23:36:49 2020
    Hello Michiel,

    Who decides what is, and what is not, of interest? The audience,
    whatever that audience is or happens to be. Some folks loved Daniels'
    music. Others hated it. Their choice.

    MvdV> You forget the third posibility: those that have never heard of him.

    There is that. In which case it was his own darned fault.
    Gotta make yourself heard. Loud and clear. Just like The Donald.

    --Lee

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Björn Felten on Fri Jul 10 09:06:33 2020
    Hi! Björn,

    On 07/10/2020 06:18 AM, you wrote:

    MvdV>> You forget the third possibility: those that have never heard of
    MvdV>> him.

    Hands up. Not my kind of music.

    MeToo, on both aspects.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jul 10 11:18:00 2020
    On 07-09-20 16:13, Lee Lofaso wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Bj”rn does have a valid point, that this echo does have an
    international audience - not specific to any country. Although
    I do try to keep that in mind, I do somethimes forget. Some
    musicians, such as Daniels, did have an international audience.
    Others not so much.

    I agree, and I'm usually one to point that out to Americans, but in this instance, there was international relevance, at least from the music standpoint. As for his politics, it's a case (as you quite rightly say) of "who cares?" from my perspective. :)


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sat Jul 11 00:04:57 2020
    MvdV> So I don't know if it was my kind of music or not...

    I didn't either, but then there's Youtube, so now I know.



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Bj”rn Felten on Sat Jul 11 08:32:37 2020
    On 11/07/2020 08:04, 2203/2 wrote:
     MvdV>> So I don't know if it was my kind of music or not...

       I didn't either, but then there's Youtube, so now I know.

    Of course one has to care enough to actually go and look it up...

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Sat Jul 11 16:55:03 2020
    I didn't either, but then there's Youtube, so now I know.

    Of course one has to care enough to actually go and look it up...

    There's that too, of course.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sun Jul 12 18:14:28 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    I didn't either, but then there's Youtube, so now I know.

    Of course one has to care enough to actually go and look it up...

    There's that too, of course.

    Did the devil care about his fiddle?

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Mon Jul 13 02:08:24 2020
    I didn't either, but then there's Youtube, so now I know.

    Of course one has to care enough to actually go and look it up...

    There's that too, of course.

    Did the devil care about his fiddle?

    Dunno. Nero did however...



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jul 14 02:20:10 2020
    On 13/07/2020 02:14, 2203/2 wrote:
    Hello Björn,

     BF>>>> I didn't either, but then there's Youtube, so now I know.

     DD>>> Of course one has to care enough to actually go and look it up...

     BF>> There's that too, of course.

    Did the devil care about his fiddle?

    As with the god, the devil is a figment of the imagination. If one imagines s/he cared about a fiddle then s/he did.

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