• The last ever POTUS election?

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Fri Jun 5 19:26:18 2020
    There's been rather silent here lately from our US fellows. How come?

    It seems like there is a severe turning point coming up in the USA. Is it only to us reading from the outside that this seems to be the case?

    This is how I see it, how do you see it?

    Trump knows that as soon as he is out of office, he will face a flood of indictments from the Southern District of New York (and perhaps other jurisdictions) for money laundering, bank fraud, tax fraud, and obstruction of justice. He knows he will go to jail. He will do everything in his power to avoid that fate.

    If he is defeated in the upcoming election, he may simply refuse to leave office. He will say that the election was rigged, and he will refuse to concede. What then? With the Senate having already relinquished their power to hold him accountable, who will remove him from office? It would be up to the Secret Service and/or the military to enforce the results of the election. Would they?

    And if he wins the election, his installation as king is secure. It may be the last real presidential election you ever have.



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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Bj”rn Felten on Fri Jun 5 16:35:08 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    If he is defeated in the upcoming election, he may simply refuse to leave office. He will say that the election was rigged, and he will
    refuse to concede. What then? With the Senate having already
    relinquished their power to hold him accountable, who will remove him
    from office? It would be up to the Secret Service and/or the military
    to enforce the results of the election. Would they?

    Yes, the American military will uphold the constitution of the USA without fail. They might do that before the election if it becomes necessary.

    And if he wins the election, his installation as king is secure. It
    may be the last real presidential election you ever have.

    He doesn't have the support of the people of the USA at this point to win anything. Who knows what the mood of the people will be at that time but I doubt he can win any kind of election now.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat Jun 6 02:39:51 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    There's been rather silent here lately from our US fellows. How come?

    Most of us have been kind of busy playing in the streets.

    It seems like there is a severe turning point coming up in the USA. Is it only to us reading from the outside that this seems to be the case?

    The latest polls show the president having an unfavarable rating
    of 48%. Those numbers will not change for the better between now and
    election. If there even is an election.

    This is how I see it, how do you see it?

    The president ordered active military to open fire on peaceful
    protesters (mostly women and children) on church grounds. This was unconstitutional and possibly illegal. Why did he do this? Because
    he wanted to create a photo-op for himself so he could get as many
    evangelicals to come to his aid. The joint chiefs of staff went
    along with his order, even though do so violated their own oath
    of enlistment.

    The president violated his own oath of office, and the joint chiefs
    of staff violated their oath of enlistment. Commissioned officers and
    buck privates alike violated their oath by carrying out the illegal
    orders of a president gone mad.

    The president is claiming authority to do as he pleases by citing
    an act from the early 19th century (The Insurrection Act of 1807).
    His own warped interpretation, as only he could interpret it. If
    the military and police forces continue to go along with him, he
    will be in effect a dictator with no check on his power. Just like
    Il Duce (notice Trump's habit of folding his arms, same as Benito
    Mussolini).

    Trump knows that as soon as he is out of office,

    C'mon, man! Get real!
    He's a lifer, just like Putin and his Korean pal!

    he will face a flood of indictments from the Southern District of New
    York
    (and perhaps other jurisdictions) for money laundering, bank fraud, tax fraud, and obstruction of justice. He knows he will go to jail. He will
    do
    everything in his power to avoid that fate.

    You're dreamin'. No former president has ever been put in prison.
    Not even former Confederate President Jefferson Davis, who was merely
    detained without charges for an indefinite time, without ever being
    put on trial.

    Trump knows he cannot win any election that is contested fairly.
    So why play fair, or play at all? His only hope is to either get
    untold numbers of Americans so sick that he can issue an executive
    order postponing the presidential election indefinitely (or until
    further notice). Or have all military and police forces in the US
    put the entire country in lockdown. Depending on his mood.

    Remember, he did declare himself as being a wartime president.
    And no president has ever lost his bid for a second term during
    a time of war. So we know this one is in the bag.

    If he is defeated in the upcoming election, he may simply refuse to leave office.

    He already knows he has no chance to win. So why play?
    Much better to declare victory and move on.

    He will say that the election was rigged, and he will refuse to concede.

    Donald Trump has never apologized. And he has also never conceded
    anything to anybody. That much is a given.

    He will claim the election is rigged long before postponing
    indefinitely the election he has no chance to win. That way,
    nobody will be able to falsely accuse him of cheating.

    What then?

    It is not who votes that counts. It is who counts the votes that
    counts. If the president says the vote was rigged, it was rigged.
    Regardless of who voted, or counted the votes.

    With the Senate having already relinquished their power to hold him accountable, who will remove him from office?

    The president will claim the vote was rigged. He will also have
    full control of the military and police throughout the country.
    Oops. He already has full control of the military and police due
    to The Insurrection Act of 1807.

    It would be up to the Secret Service and/or the military to enforce the results of the election. Would they?

    The secret service is part of the Department of the Treasury.
    The president already controls the military and the police.
    And all the money being held by the Department of the Treasury.
    The secret service does not work for free, and gladly provides
    the president security detail.

    The joint chiefs of staff went along with his orders for the military
    to open fire on women and children on church grounds. Had the military
    been using live ammo it would have been one bloody mess.

    All this despite the oath they took in order to do their jobs.

    And if he wins the election, his installation as king is secure.

    What do you mean "if he wins the election"? He already did, in 2016!
    Yes, with help from Russia. But he still won. Even though his opponent
    got the most votes. Jimmy Carter calls him an illegitimate president.
    So do others. But illegitimate or not, the orange stain remains.

    It may be the last real presidential election you ever have.

    At least a king is answerable to God.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jun 5 22:01:00 2020
    Lee Lofaso wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

    There's been rather silent here lately from our US fellows. How come?

    Most of us have been kind of busy playing in the streets.

    You're talking to yourself in public again.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alan Ianson on Sat Jun 6 09:36:01 2020
    Alan,

    Yes, the American military will uphold the constitution of the USA
    without fail. They might do that before the election if it becomes necessary.

    But the President is the Commander in Chief. Right?

    No checks? No balance? There's a word for that.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Ward Dossche on Sat Jun 6 00:49:44 2020
    Hello Ward,

    Yes, the American military will uphold the constitution of the USA
    without fail. They might do that before the election if it becomes
    necessary.

    But the President is the Commander in Chief. Right?

    Sticky situation..

    There is an oath that military swear to. Largely the constitution but yes, the president is the commander in chief.

    The oath goes something like this..

    I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies; foreign and domestic...

    There are different oaths. Some include obey "the President of the United States" and/or Governor.

    No checks? No balance? There's a word for that.

    The constitution of the US never took into account a narcissist president.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Jun 6 15:36:23 2020
    The latest polls show the president having an unfavourable rating
    of 48%. Those numbers will not change for the better between now and election. If there even is an election.

    Doesn't it scare the rest of you how many millions of your citizens that still *are* in favour of this wannabe dictator of yours?

    The president violated his own oath of office, and the joint chiefs
    of staff violated their oath of enlistment. Commissioned officers and
    buck privates alike violated their oath by carrying out the illegal
    orders of a president gone mad.

    So? Don't you have any mechanisms in your constitution to protect it from such blatant violations?

    His own warped interpretation, as only he could interpret it. If
    the military and police forces continue to go along with him, he
    will be in effect a dictator with no check on his power. Just like
    Il Duce (notice Trump's habit of folding his arms, same as Benito Mussolini).

    Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm surprised that no youtuber so far has caught up on the similarity. Even the face expression is similar.

    Trump knows that as soon as he is out of office,

    C'mon, man! Get real!
    He's a lifer, just like Putin and his Korean pal!

    And like them, all he needs is control of the military.

    You're dreamin'. No former president has ever been put in prison.

    But no other president has ever been close to what this coward Bunker Boy has done. Not one of the previous 44.

    Trump knows he cannot win any election that is contested fairly.

    In his deranged mind, he thinks that mail votes is what's making him loose. So keep the postal office defunct and all is well, no?

    He already knows he has no chance to win. So why play?
    Much better to declare victory and move on.

    Isn't this where your 2nd amendment was supposed to step in? I know that you long ago dismissed the primary definition: "A well regulated militia" and went on to claim that the right to wear arms would concern every citizen -- even those that were not a well regulated militia. I don't know how you can have missed that, but I guess you like it better your way?

    All this despite the oath they took in order to do their jobs.

    Didn't Bunker Boy take an oath too? Swearing on *a* bible (not his own I guess)?

    It may be the last real presidential election you ever have.

    At least a king is answerable to God.

    Ours (Swedish) king isn't. I'm sure you can learn a lot about how to reduce the king's power over the next century or so. Some of us have the playbook readily available. Feel free to search the 'net for it.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Jun 7 01:55:24 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    The latest polls show the president having an unfavourable rating
    of 48%. Those numbers will not change for the better between now and
    election. If there even is an election.

    Doesn't it scare the rest of you how many millions of your citizens that still *are* in favour of this wannabe dictator of yours?

    At least it is now a minority rather than a majority, given there
    are a few undecideds.

    The president violated his own oath of office, and the joint chiefs
    of staff violated their oath of enlistment. Commissioned officers and
    buck privates alike violated their oath by carrying out the illegal
    orders of a president gone mad.

    So? Don't you have any mechanisms in your constitution to protect it from such blatant violations?

    Not with a complicit Senate (a majority of whom are Republicans).
    Federal agents no longer wear any insignia, so what we have now is
    secret police (gestapo) running the show. Hitler would be proud.

    His own warped interpretation, as only he could interpret it. If
    the military and police forces continue to go along with him, he
    will be in effect a dictator with no check on his power. Just like
    Il Duce (notice Trump's habit of folding his arms, same as Benito
    Mussolini).

    Yeah, I noticed that too. I'm surprised that no youtuber so far has
    caught
    up on the similarity. Even the face expression is similar.

    Just you wait until he finds another Clara Petacci ...

    Trump knows that as soon as he is out of office,

    C'mon, man! Get real!
    He's a lifer, just like Putin and his Korean pal!

    And like them, all he needs is control of the military.

    Oh, he already has that. In spades.

    You're dreamin'. No former president has ever been put in prison.

    But no other president has ever been close to what this coward Bunker Boy has done. Not one of the previous 44.

    Actually 43, since one of them actually got himself two different
    numbers. And I am not talking about either of the Bushes.

    Trump knows he cannot win any election that is contested fairly.

    In his deranged mind, he thinks that mail votes is what's making him
    loose.
    So keep the postal office defunct and all is well, no?

    He says he voted by mail in the Florida primary. Even though he
    claims he is a resident of the state, Mar-a-Lago is a private club,
    which the state of Florida does not recognize as a legal residence.
    Which means he is not legally registered to vote.

    He already knows he has no chance to win. So why play?
    Much better to declare victory and move on.

    Isn't this where your 2nd amendment was supposed to step in?

    A well regulated Militia of protesters, each of them armed
    with face covering masks, and the voices to scream and shout.

    I know that you long ago dismissed the primary definition: "A well
    regulated
    militia" and went on to claim that the right to wear arms would concern every citizen -- even those that were not a well regulated militia. I
    don't
    know how you can have missed that, but I guess you like it better your
    way?

    Back in the good ol' days, muskets were expensive. So expensive
    that only rich white men who owned property had them. Us po' folks
    had to rely on knives and pitchforks to get things done. And black
    folks had to do everything in fisticuffs. That is assuming they
    could get themselves out of their shackles first.

    All this despite the oath they took in order to do their jobs.

    Didn't Bunker Boy take an oath too? Swearing on *a* bible (not his own I guess)?

    The oath of office a president makes is to execute the duties
    of his office, which are first and foremost to "preserve, protect
    and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    As everybody knows, the bible he was holding upside down was not
    his own. And he only swears on himself, never a book of any kind.

    "I'll get you for that! I swear! I swear!" ~Donald Trump tweet

    It may be the last real presidential election you ever have.

    At least a king is answerable to God.

    Ours (Swedish) king isn't. I'm sure you can learn a lot about how to
    reduce
    the king's power over the next century or so. Some of us have the
    playbook
    readily available. Feel free to search the 'net for it.

    The only playbook I could find was the one with Trump's name on it.
    It was all about him. And only him. Nobody else could read it. Much
    less understand it. Better to let him get lost in his own delusion.

    --Lee

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