• obamagate or "ask china"

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Tue May 12 23:40:33 2020
    Both the above searches gives interesting results. Especially if you chose Video in the top Google menu. Quite entertaining.

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the United States of America performing like that...



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wed May 13 08:28:50 2020
    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the United States of America performing like that...

    Exactly ...

    Maybe there's hope ... my Trumpee-friends in Montana are growing more quiet every day ...

    He hasn't been to a single WH Correspondents dinner (as a president) nor has he ever attended the Kennedy Honors event in the Kennedy Center ...

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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to Björn Felten on Wed May 13 01:53:00 2020
    Bjorn Felten wrote to All <=-

    Both the above searches gives interesting results. Especially if you
    chose Video in the top Google menu. Quite entertaining.

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
    United States of America performing like that...

    Many of us have been waiting for this very thing. Obama's blatant corruption is
    beginning to show its head.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Wed May 13 10:41:50 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    On Tuesday May 12 2020 23:40, you wrote to All:

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
    United States of America performing like that...

    I shows he is not all that smart. If he sets the precedent of prosecuting an ex-president, it may very well boomerang on him. One day, in the not too distant future, Trump will be an ex-president too...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Björn Felten on Wed May 13 22:19:22 2020

    Hello Bjorn!

    12 May 20 23:40, you wrote to all:

    Both the above searches gives interesting results. Especially if you
    chose Video in the top Google menu. Quite entertaining.

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
    United States of America performing like that...


    it's damn embarassing is what it is. And people STILL think he's a "stable genius" and "the smartest president we've ever had"






    Mike


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Daniel on Wed May 13 22:23:47 2020

    Hello Daniel!

    13 May 20 01:53, you wrote to Bjorn Felten:

    Bjorn Felten wrote to All <=-

    Both the above searches gives interesting results. Especially if
    you chose Video in the top Google menu. Quite entertaining.

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
    United States of America performing like that...

    Many of us have been waiting for this very thing. Obama's blatant corruption is beginning to show its head.

    Daniel Traechin


    Even the Senate Republicans think Trump is wacky over this "Obamagate" bullshit.

    Trump is a damn embarassment.



    Mike


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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to Mike Miller on Thu May 14 06:31:00 2020
    Mike Miller wrote to Daniel <=-

    Even the Senate Republicans think Trump is wacky over this "Obamagate" bullshit.

    So you haven't seen the news but saw fit to comment anyway. It's a typical tactic of the left to attempt devalidating a situation by expressing how 'others' may be reacting to it. It is a premise based on a fallacy. It really shows that you lack the basis to make a point or lack a substantive opinion. If
    you gave me that, it would be met with respect.

    Trump is a damn embarassment.

    Instead I got vitriol.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to Mike Miller on Thu May 14 06:43:00 2020
    Mike Miller wrote to Bjorn Felten <=-


    Hello Bjorn!

    12 May 20 23:40, you wrote to all:

    Both the above searches gives interesting results. Especially if you
    chose Video in the top Google menu. Quite entertaining.

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
    United States of America performing like that...


    it's damn embarassing is what it is. And people STILL think he's a "stable genius" and "the smartest president we've ever had"

    I'd reserve the smartest for the likes of Lincoln and Reagan. Bush Sr. would've
    made the list if he hadn't gotten defeated by Clinton. Clinton DID have a press
    who had the ability to stear the outcome of a national election. He was, though, the last.

    Trump is certainly brilliant and knows how to manipulate the tyrannical leftists. They fall for it everytime and never learn. He makes it look so easy.
    His opponents have tried, from time to time, to mimic it on Twitter but it seems to fall flat every time.

    Daniel Traechin




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu May 14 11:55:49 2020
    Hello Michiel,

    It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
    United States of America performing like that...

    MvdV> I shows he is not all that smart.

    Donald Trump is above average intelligence. Maybe not
    the stable genius he claims to be, but definitely above
    average. And he does have decades of experience in show
    biz, as the main star of his own reality tv show. So
    please, do give the guy credit where credit is due.

    MvdV> If he sets the precedent of prosecuting an ex-president, it may very well
    MvdV> boomerang on him.

    No US president has ever been prosecuted, or even indicted,
    for a crime. No former US president has ever been prosecuted,
    or even indicted, for a crime. However, many people believe
    if Trump wins a second term that he will have his AG prosecute
    not former vice president Joe Biden, but former US president
    Barack Obama.

    Not even Confederate President Jefferson Davis was ever
    indicted or prosecuted for any crime. After his side lost
    the war, he was apprehended and detained for a while, and
    then let go. Without ever having been charged.

    If Michelle Obama knows what is good for her, she will accept
    Joe Biden's offer for her to serve as vice president. About
    twenty minutes after being sworn into office, Biden will retire
    and Obama will become president.

    A lot of people thought that was the plan four years ago
    with Clinton. First she would win in a landslide. Then she
    would get rid of her vice president by naming him to the US
    Supreme Court (or some other job). Then she would nominate
    the other Clinton as vice president ...

    MvdV> One day, in the not too distant future, Trump will be an ex-president too...

    The president is always addressed as Mr. President,
    or President (name). Even long after he has left office.

    President Carter is still Mr. President, even at age 96,
    having left office on January 20, 1980.

    President Trump will still be Mr. President, regardless of his age.
    Or even if he is doing time.

    However, once a president is dead, he/she is no longer Mr. President.
    Or Madame President, as the case may be.

    --Lee

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Daniel on Thu May 14 12:37:42 2020
    Hello Daniel!

    14 May 20 06:31, you wrote to Mike Miller:

    So you haven't seen the news but saw fit to comment anyway. It's a
    typical
    tactic of the left to attempt devalidating a situation by expressing how 'others' may be reacting to it. It is a premise based on a fallacy. It really shows that you lack the basis to make a point or lack a
    substantive
    opinion. If you gave me that, it would be met with respect.

    Ofcourse declaring everything one does not like "Fake New", meets your
    standard of respect.

    Kees

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Daniel on Thu May 14 13:28:15 2020
    So you haven't seen the news

    Did you?

    Q: Why is it so important to you to make this a global competition?

    A: Ask China.

    This to an Asian-American female reporter. I don't understand why China (as an entity, do you have a name and an address?) should have the answer to that question.

    Q: What crime are you accusing Obama of?

    A: OBAMAGATE!

    What type of crime is that actually, and how does US law define it?



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Thu May 14 13:40:12 2020
    it's damn embarassing is what it is. And people STILL think he's a "stable genius" and "the smartest president we've ever had"

    One thing is for sure: you guys will have a heck of a time trying to repair all the foreign policy damages he's done in just e few years.

    a) Alienating and insulting most old allies while kissing up with dictators in Russia and North Korea.

    b) Trashing a lot of international treaties.

    c) Setting up high tariffs -- because the stupid SOB thinks that it's the other country that has to pay for it, rather than your own citizens.



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Mike Miller on Thu May 14 22:59:52 2020
    On 14/05/2020 13:19, 1154/30 wrote:

     BF>>     It's hard to forget that this actually is the president of the
     BF>> United States of America performing like that...

     it's damn embarassing is what it is.  And people STILL think he's a "stable genius" and "the smartest president we've ever had"

    Compare to them he may well be.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Kees van Eeten on Thu May 14 16:45:25 2020
    Ofcourse declaring everything one does not like "Fake New", meets your standard of respect.

    There's so many things that surprise me about how this fool could be elected to the highest office in USA. Most of all that they obviously don't have a test even remotely like the test to become a US citizen.

    Doesn't he even know that everything he writes on Twitter is registered as an official document and later on can be requested as per the Freedom of Information Act?

    He spends more time on twitter while watching Fox News than in the oval office. Now there's a through of historical information to write masters theses from for decades.

    What a critter. If the world will ever remember a POTUS for centuries to come, it sure as hell will be Donald J. Trump. Not for very good reasons, though...



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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Daniel on Thu May 14 09:24:00 2020
    Daniel wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    So you haven't seen the news but saw fit to comment anyway. It's a
    typical tactic of the left to attempt devalidating a situation by expressing how 'others' may be reacting to it. It is a premise based on
    a fallacy. It really shows that you lack the basis to make a point or
    lack a substantive opinion.

    Why do you think that's a tactic limited to the political left?



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri May 15 04:19:32 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    Ofcourse declaring everything one does not like "Fake New", meets your
    standard of respect.

    There's so many things that surprise me about how this fool could be
    elected
    to the highest office in USA. Most of all that they obviously don't have test even remotely like the test to become a US citizen.

    The test to become a citizen is not easy. Melania passed it,
    as did her parents. But I seriously doubt Donald could. Even if
    he tried.

    Doesn't he even know that everything he writes on Twitter is registered
    as
    an official document and later on can be requested as per the Freedom of Information Act?

    Everything he writes on Twitter is a public document, not necessarily
    an official document. Although in theory it could be.

    He spends more time on twitter while watching Fox News than in the oval office. Now there's a through of historical information to write masters theses from for decades.

    It is not so much the historians who will be poring over documents
    and policies of the Trump administration. Think of all the shrinks who
    will be studying him and his actions ...

    What a critter. If the world will ever remember a POTUS for centuries to come, it sure as hell will be Donald J. Trump. Not for very good reasons, though...

    The American general public has the attention span of a gnat.
    Five minutes after the next president takes office, everybody
    will forget all about the current president. As if he never
    even existed.

    --Lee

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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to Kees van Eeten on Fri May 15 01:11:00 2020
    Kees van Eeten wrote to Daniel <=-

    Hello Daniel!

    14 May 20 06:31, you wrote to Mike Miller:

    So you haven't seen the news but saw fit to comment anyway. It's a
    typical
    tactic of the left to attempt devalidating a situation by expressing how 'others' may be reacting to it. It is a premise based on a fallacy. It really shows that you lack the basis to make a point or lack a
    substantive
    opinion. If you gave me that, it would be met with respect.

    Ofcourse declaring everything one does not like "Fake New", meets your standard of respect.

    You'll see. The time is coming.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to Björn Felten on Fri May 15 01:12:00 2020
    Bjorn Felten wrote to Daniel <=-

    So you haven't seen the news

    Did you?

    Q: Why is it so important to you to make this a global competition?

    A: Ask China.

    This to an Asian-American female reporter. I don't understand why
    China (as an entity, do you have a name and an address?) should have
    the answer to that question.

    Q: What crime are you accusing Obama of?

    A: OBAMAGATE!

    What type of crime is that actually, and how does US law define it?

    My fiance and I both laughed at that. It's meme-worthy.

    Daniel Traechin

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  • From Daniel@1:340/7 to Kurt Weiske on Fri May 15 01:14:00 2020
    Kurt Weiske wrote to Daniel <=-

    Daniel wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    So you haven't seen the news but saw fit to comment anyway. It's a
    typical tactic of the left to attempt devalidating a situation by expressing how 'others' may be reacting to it. It is a premise based on
    a fallacy. It really shows that you lack the basis to make a point or
    lack a substantive opinion.

    Why do you think that's a tactic limited to the political left?

    I can't be sure on that and I"m sure it's observed on both sides. I can tell you that it's where I hear it from. And it continues day in and day out.

    But I can see you agree with me, so that's good.

    Daniel Traechin


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Fri May 15 09:03:23 2020
    Ofcourse declaring everything one does not like "Fake New", meets
    your standard of respect.

    There's so many things that surprise me about how this fool could be elected to the highest office in USA. Most of all that they obviously
    don't have a test even remotely like the test to become a US citizen.

    I've spent a fair portion of my life in the US and I do understand how he got elected.

    Everybody in Europe figured Hillary would have an easy victory but in 2016 I was in the US first week of June through somewhere in September. Upon my arrival home I said it was not a run race and Trump stood a fair chance. I may have mentioned it in Fidonet as well.

    The reason is simple ... people were looking for something else than traditional politics ... Hillary was the symbol of that. The alternative was Trump.

    GOP-voters are pretty stable, they'll vote Republican anyway. The difference was made by Democrats, probably Bernie Sanders people, who figured they'd vote against Hillary but didn't realize there was only one other option.

    Voting away from traditinal politics happened in other places too ... Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Netherlands barely kept its traditional majority.

    What amazes me with the US that they come up with weird candidates ... Trump against Hillary, Trump against Biden ... there must be better people hiding somewhere. In the past Romney, GWB, Goldwater, McCain, ... OK, GWB made it but how can you vote for such people?

    From a European perspective Trump has already made himself un-electable, but come November the GOP will unite, the military is strongly GOP, the mormon church is GOP and there are enough braindead farts to pull it off again anyway.

    Also, do not forget, the November elections are about more than the presidency. It's also part of the Senate, the House, Governors, more local people. If the Dems win the Senate too but Trump gets elected anyway, which is not all that unlikely, then his 2nd term will become dead meat.

    Question is: where lies the power? And where do people think the power lies? Governors have a bigger say than we think here and even GOP-governors don't eat out of Trump's hand.

    Just to say ... interesting times lie ahead.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Daniel on Fri May 15 06:53:00 2020
    Daniel wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    But I can see you agree with me, so that's good.

    One step at a time.


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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30 to Bj÷rn Felten on Fri May 15 14:08:17 2020

    Hello Bj%rn!

    14 May 20 13:40, you wrote to me:

    it's damn embarassing is what it is. And people STILL think
    he's a "stable genius" and "the smartest president we've ever
    had"

    One thing is for sure: you guys will have a heck of a time trying
    to repair all the foreign policy damages he's done in just e few
    years.

    a) Alienating and insulting most old allies while kissing up with dictators in Russia and North Korea.

    b) Trashing a lot of international treaties.

    c) Setting up high tariffs -- because the stupid SOB thinks that
    it's the other country that has to pay for it, rather than your own citizens.


    It took 4 years or so to dig out from Bush's idiocy. I'm thinking its going to take 16 to dig out from this...


    Mike


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Fri May 15 23:55:50 2020
    It took 4 years or so to dig out from Bush's idiocy. I'm thinking its going to take 16 to dig out from this...

    Assuming that you can start directly next year and don't have to wait another Trump term, because that will totally destroy USA.

    What a pity.

    USA was actually on the way to become great again, thanks to the Obama administration. And the rest of the world was there for the ride.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Fri May 15 23:56:38 2020
    Hello Everybody,

    vitriol - n. something resembling acid to make caustic, corrosive,
    or biting. [The Merriam-Webster Dictionary]

    Even the Senate Republicans think Trump is wacky over this "Obamagate"
    bullshit.

    So you haven't seen the news but saw fit to comment anyway. It's a typical tactic of the left to attempt devalidating a situation by expressing how 'others' may be reacting to it. It is a premise based on a fallacy. It really
    shows that you lack the basis to make a point or lack a substantive
    opinion.
    If you gave me that, it would be met with respect.

    Trump is a damn embarassment.

    Instead I got vitriol.

    Daniel Traechin

    Well. Let me see. Does the entity known as Daniel Traechin
    get what he deserved? It might not have been what he wanted,
    but it certainly does appear to have been what he got.

    First, he claims others "haven't seen the news but saw fit to
    comment anyway." Not that Senate Republicans have anything better
    to do with their time, but still. Perhaps Mitt Romney, a Republican
    Senator from Utah, can explain to him what the duties of a US
    Senator are, and who they represent.

    He then goes on to claim "it's a tactic of the left to attempt
    devalidating a situation by expressing how `others' may be reacting
    to it." Since the exchange that took place was between the POTUS
    and a member of the press, his next statement contradicts what
    he had just said - "It is a premise based on a fallacy."

    What premise might that be? What fallacy might that be?

    President Trump made a claim. An outrageous claim, unsupported
    and unsubstantiated, that Barack Obama had committed a crime.
    A reporter from the Washington Post asked him about specifics
    of that claim. This was President Trump's response -

    "Obamagate. It's been going on for a long time. It's been going
    on from before I even got elected. And it's a disgrace that it
    happened." ~Donald J. Trump

    The reporter then pressed him to name the crime, which evoked
    President Trump to respond in the only way he knows how -

    "You know what the crime is. The crime is very obvious to
    everybody. All you have to do is read the newspapers, except
    yours." ~Donald J. Trump

    So. There you have it. The POTUS is a legend in his own mind.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sat May 16 00:42:56 2020
    What amazes me with the US that they come up with weird candidates ... Trump against Hillary, Trump against Biden ... there must be better
    people hiding somewhere. In the past Romney, GWB, Goldwater, McCain, ... OK, GWB made it but how can you vote for such people?

    I've wondered the same for decades. I don't know how many USAians are of POTUS age (35yo), but I guess it must be at least 150, maybe even 200 million?

    So, out of this ocean of candidates, the only ones they can come up with are those?

    I think I can see the problem here. The US people are not allowed to vote for their preferred candidates. Just like in the former Soviet Union and all other dictatorships in the world, they are given a short list of "approved" candidates to vote for. Usually two, to make the democracy illusion complete.

    No wonder they revolted four years ago and voted for Trump...


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sat May 16 05:02:52 2020
    Hello Bj”rn,

    It took 4 years or so to dig out from Bush's idiocy. I'm thinking its
    going to take 16 to dig out from this...

    Assuming that you can start directly next year and don't have to wait another Trump term, because that will totally destroy USA.

    What a pity.

    USA was actually on the way to become great again, thanks to the Obama administration. And the rest of the world was there for the ride.

    Do you still have that old beat-up camper available for homeless
    visitors from across the pond?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Miller on Sat May 16 05:03:10 2020
    Hello Mike,

    it's damn embarassing is what it is. And people STILL think
    he's a "stable genius" and "the smartest president we've ever
    had"

    One thing is for sure: you guys will have a heck of a time trying
    to repair all the foreign policy damages he's done in just e few
    years.

    a) Alienating and insulting most old allies while kissing up with
    dictators in Russia and North Korea.

    b) Trashing a lot of international treaties.

    c) Setting up high tariffs -- because the stupid SOB thinks that
    it's the other country that has to pay for it, rather than your own
    citizens.


    It took 4 years or so to dig out from Bush's idiocy. I'm thinking its
    going
    to take 16 to dig out from this...

    Not to worry. Trump's idiot children will save us!

    And if they don't, well, by then I'll be too old and grey to care,
    so it won't really matter anyway.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat May 16 05:15:44 2020
    Do you still have that old beat-up camper available for homeless
    visitors from across the pond?

    Yes indeed!




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Fri May 29 02:08:39 2020
    Hello Ward,

    Ofcourse declaring everything one does not like "Fake New", meets
    your standard of respect.

    There's so many things that surprise me about how this fool could be
    elected to the highest office in USA. Most of all that they obviously
    don't have a test even remotely like the test to become a US citizen.

    I've spent a fair portion of my life in the US and I do understand how he got elected.

    Special rules for special folks.

    Found this post by a blogger on a site devoted to politics
    that sheds a bit of light on the subject. Especially given your
    own experience with the same kind of social media -

    -=begin=-

    In some ways Trump is right, they are not adding flags to anybody
    elses posts that they may not be factually correct. But this shouldn't
    be the case anyways, the only reason they need to do this is because
    they give Trump and other politicians a different set of rules than
    everyone else that allows them to attack people without suspension or
    removal of their account.

    This isn't a free speech issue, this is a Twitter "terms of service"
    issue where they are letting Trump be crazier and crazier without
    retribution. The answer isn't to flag Trumps posts, but to remove him
    and suspend him like they would for attacking people and inciting
    violence against people, like they do with other users.

    -=end=-

    Would government regulation of social media solve this problem?
    Should government regulate what companies such as Twitter, Facebook,
    and others can and cannot do?

    Politicians never lie. They are just more expedient with the truth.
    And then there are those who are not politicians, who cannot tell the difference as to what is true and what is not. See there? Two kinds
    of people (just like news) in this world. Only two. Now. Am I real?
    Are you real? Is anybody real? Could be everything is fake ...

    Everybody in Europe figured Hillary would have an easy victory but in
    2016 I
    was in the US first week of June through somewhere in September. Upon my arrival home I said it was not a run race and Trump stood a fair chance. may have mentioned it in Fidonet as well.

    Clinton ran a poor campaign. Especially the last two weeks. But as
    someone from Europe rather than the US, one who has spent time in this
    country, your take on things is a unique perspective.

    The reason is simple ... people were looking for something else than traditional politics ... Hillary was the symbol of that. The alternative was Trump.

    Clinton represented a liberal (globalist) worldview, while Trump
    represented an illiberal (isolationist) worldview. Trump's worldview
    was on the rise (both in the US and outside) and Clinton's worldview
    was in decline.

    GOP-voters are pretty stable, they'll vote Republican anyway.

    What we have today is Trumpism, which has in effect replaced
    the Republican Party. That is why so many Republican US Senators
    (such as Susan Collins of Maine) are so far behind in their bid
    for re-election.

    The difference was made by Democrats, probably Bernie Sanders people, who figured they'd vote against Hillary but didn't realize there was only one other option.

    Bernie's people were mostly young, many of whom were not even
    registered voters. After their candidate failed to win the nomination
    most of them simply stayed at home, rather than vote at all. To his
    credit, Sanders did endorse Clinton, and actively campaigned for her.
    But the bottom line is Clinton had to sell herself, as nobody else
    could do it for her.

    Voting away from traditinal politics happened in other places too ... Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, the Netherlands barely kept its traditional majority.

    Look at what is happening in Central Europe today. Democratic countries
    such as Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary have become more and
    more autocratic, as their rulers claim almost dictatorial powers. This
    may be in response to an increasingly aggressive Russia, but there are
    other factors.

    What amazes me with the US that they come up with weird candidates ...

    Both Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter claimed to have seen UFOs.
    That is weird enough. But neither of them was as weird as Richard
    Nixon, who invited Elvis Presley inside the White House and made
    him a secret secret service agent. The best Donald Trump could do
    was to sit down with Kanye West for a chat inside the White House.

    Trump against Hillary,

    The Deplorable against Nasty Woman.

    Trump against Biden ...

    Bad Man against Good Man ...

    there must be better people hiding somewhere.

    Jimmy Carter is still in Plains, awaiting his call to duty.

    In the past Romney,

    More people voted for Obama than Romney.

    GWB,

    More people voted for Gore than GWB.

    Goldwater,

    More people voted for LBJ than Goldwater.

    McCain,

    More people voted for Obama than McCain.

    ... OK, GWB made it

    More people also voted for Clinton than Trump.

    but how can you vote for such people?

    Usually by using one's finger.

    From a European perspective Trump has already made himself un-electable,
    but
    come November the GOP will unite, the military is strongly GOP, the
    mormon
    church is GOP and there are enough braindead farts to pull it off again anyway.

    Aside from "there are enough braindead farts to pull it off
    again" you are wrong on all counts. The GOP is no more, having
    been replaced by Trumpism. The military continues to distance
    itself from the GOP (which is no more). The state of Utah (and
    the entire Mormon community) uses vote by mail (which Trump is
    trying to ban). And Mitt Romney still has not changed his vote
    to remove Donald Trump from office.

    Also, do not forget, the November elections are about more than the presidency.

    The vice presidency is also at stake.

    It's also part of the Senate, the House, Governors, more local people.

    The US does not have national elections.

    If the Dems win the Senate too but Trump gets elected anyway, which is
    not
    all that unlikely, then his 2nd term will become dead meat.

    It is becoming more and more likely for the Democrats to win control
    of the Senate, although the outcome could result in a tie. In which
    case the vice president would be able to cast a vote as President of
    the Senate if there is a tie in any given vote.

    The most likely scenario is for Trump to lose in a landslide, getting
    no more than 35% of the popular vote. But in theory, he could win with
    just 20% of the popular vote, given the electoral college.

    Question is: where lies the power?

    In Trump's mind, it is all about him. And only him.
    He is the fixer. The one who gets things done. Nobody
    else can do it but him.

    And where do people think the power lies?

    Somewhere else.

    Governors have a bigger say than we think here and even GOP-governors
    don't
    eat out of Trump's hand.

    Federalism. A word that is not in Trump's vocabulary.
    I have never heard him speak a single word that has more
    than one or two syllables. Not even when he reads from
    a prepared text.

    Just to say ... interesting times lie ahead.

    Confucius say he had Chinese virus.
    But now recovered.
    That why Confucius statue not wear mask.

    --Lee

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    The more you play with it the harder it gets

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Lee Lofaso on Fri May 29 18:38:54 2020
    Would government regulation of social media solve this problem?
    Should government regulate what companies such as Twitter, Facebook,
    and others can and cannot do?

    Most likely. Or at least regulation of how data mining is allowed.

    The Brexit referendum in the UK and the POTUS election have many similarities, such as the result was a total surprise and it was a lot of ignorant people that caused the swing.

    The similarities should be no surprise, it was the same company that made it happen. Cambridge Analytica.

    Search for it on Facebook and you'll find several uploads about it. Search for "The Great Hack" on Netflix and you'll find a feature length documentary about it.


    ..

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