• When pandeia stops - it is easy

    From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to All on Sun Apr 5 22:17:28 2020
    Hi, All!

    The pandemia will stop soon for this reason:

    Now the virus is being mainly spread by the people who either has no
    symptoms, or have mild symptoms. These people is a big majority. They
    are ill of COVID19 in easy form, and they are very contagious.

    As soon as this majority becomes well again (it will be soon) the
    "firewood" for "virus fire" will disappear. The pandemia will stop, the mentioned majority will have the immunity against COVID19.

    For a while: old and weak people should be careful and not attend public places. Self isolation for this weak contingent is the most right thing.
    Wait.

    Bye, All
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 6 05:12:57 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    The pandemia will stop soon for this reason:

    Now the virus is being mainly spread by the people who either has no symptoms, or have mild symptoms. These people is a big majority. They
    are ill of COVID19 in easy form, and they are very contagious.

    As soon as this majority becomes well again (it will be soon) the "firewood" for "virus fire" will disappear. The pandemia will stop, the mentioned majority will have the immunity against COVID19.

    For a while: old and weak people should be careful and not attend public places. Self isolation for this weak contingent is the most right thing. Wait.

    An interesting theory. But not the only one out there.
    Here is a competing theory, announced today on Twitter -

    "Some of these youngs uns are doing all kinds of unnatural things
    with their sex organs. When people do that, they transfer all kinds
    of chemicals from ladies' private parts and that's where I think the
    virus came from. We never had this kind of thing when I was coming
    up. But no one was committing oral sex back then."
    ~ Pat Robertson, 8:35AM - Apr 5, 2020 tweet

    He's a preacher, and has his own television show. Also predicts
    the future using the Holy Bible as his crystal ball. So believe him
    when he tells you, the only way to get rid of this thing is for young
    uns to quit doing what they are doing with their sex organs. And then
    all will be well as the virus will have nowhere else to go.

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 7 14:59:41 2020
    On 6/04/2020 13:12, 2203/2 wrote:

    We never had this kind of thing when I was coming up. But no one was
    committing oral sex back then."

    I wonder how old this person is. We certainly had oral sex when I was young.

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    David

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 7 09:23:56 2020
    Re: When pandeia stops - it is easy
    By: David Drummond to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 07 2020 14:59:41


    We never had this kind of thing when I was coming up. But no one
    was committing oral sex back then."

    I wonder how old this person is. We certainly had oral sex when I
    was young.

    pat robertson is a complete and total id10t to begin with... but since you asked, he was born in 1930...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson


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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 7 19:46:34 2020
    Hello David!

    07 Apr 20 14:59, David Drummond wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    We never had this kind of thing when I was coming up. But no one was
    committing oral sex back then."

    I wonder how old this person is. We certainly had oral sex when I was young.

    He meant to say no-one did it to him... what else could he talk about?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Tue Apr 7 22:02:39 2020
    Hello David,

    We never had this kind of thing when I was coming up. But no LL>one was
    committing oral sex back then."

    I wonder how old this person is. We certainly had oral sex when I was
    young.

    Rev. Pat Robertson is older than dirt. Still kicking, though.
    He likes to talk, so the video is much better - if you can stand
    the sight of him.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wed Apr 8 05:21:54 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    The pandemia will stop soon for this reason:

    Now the virus is being mainly spread by the people who either has no symptoms, or have mild symptoms. These people is a big majority. They
    are ill of COVID19 in easy form, and they are very contagious.

    Well, none of those 8 billion or so people have any immunity
    to this coronavirus, so what else can be expected? I mean, this
    is a new kid on the block who is not yet finished meeting his
    playmates.

    As soon as this majority becomes well again (it will be soon) the "firewood" for "virus fire" will disappear. The pandemia will stop, the mentioned majority will have the immunity against COVID19.

    I am not sure about immunity against COVID-19, which is caused
    by the novel coronavirus affecting the world today. I mean, humans
    already have four coronaviruses flowing through their systems at it
    is, without a vaccine for any of them. A fifth coronavirus will just
    be added to the total and the human race will move on from there.

    For a while: old and weak people should be careful and not attend public places. Self isolation for this weak contingent is the most right thing. Wait.

    I am not sure Vladimir Putin (age 67) or Donald Trump (age 74)
    will be able to do that ...

    --Lee

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  • From Mickey@1:249/307.1 to Lee Lofaso on Wed Apr 8 21:04:26 2020
    Covid niteen is Chinese for 'bat crazy'

    Mick

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Thu Apr 9 14:17:39 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 08.04.2020 04:21

    The pandemia will stop soon for this reason:

    Now the virus is being mainly spread by the people who either has
    no symptoms, or have mild symptoms. These people is a big
    majority. They are ill of COVID19 in easy form, and they are very
    contagious.

    Well, none of those 8 billion or so people have any immunity to
    this coronavirus, so what else can be expected? I mean, this is a
    new kid on the block who is not yet finished meeting his playmates.

    I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who now had or
    have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19 illness. Most people recover
    from this virus without knowing it.

    As soon as this majority becomes well again (it will be soon)
    the "firewood" for "virus fire" will disappear. The pandemia will
    stop, the mentioned majority will have the immunity against
    COVID19.

    I am not sure about immunity against COVID-19, which is caused by
    the novel coronavirus affecting the world today. I mean, humans
    already have four coronaviruses flowing through their systems at it
    is, without a vaccine for any of them. A fifth coronavirus will
    just be added to the total and the human race will move on from
    there.

    Well, if people have no symptoms or their illness is/was in relatively
    mild form it means they have already had some kind of immunity against
    the virus and this immunity will becomes only stronger after their
    recovering. They will not have an absolute immunity, but they will stop
    to be the main container of the virus in the population. People can't be
    ill with COVID constantly.

    For a while: old and weak people should be careful and not attend
    public places. Self isolation for this weak contingent is the most
    right thing. Wait.

    I am not sure Vladimir Putin (age 67) or Donald Trump (age 74) will
    be able to do that...

    The mortality of old people is about 18%. The main problem for old
    people in the US is that many have no medical insurance and they cannot
    afford themselves to be taken in hospital at early stage. It is easier
    for them to die than have deal with American health protection system.
    But Putin and Trump certainly will be saved in the case of.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gerrit Kuehn on Thu Apr 9 19:46:56 2020
    Hello Gerrit,

    We never had this kind of thing when I was coming up. But no one was
    committing oral sex back then."

    I wonder how old this person is. We certainly had oral sex when I was
    young.

    He meant to say no-one did it to him... what else could he talk about?

    Pray. Be a Christian and pray so it will all go away by Easter.

    https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/04/07/pat-robertson-finally -rebuked-covid-19-demanding-no-new-cases-by-easter/


    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mickey on Thu Apr 9 19:47:02 2020
    Hello Mickey,

    Covid niteen is Chinese for 'bat crazy'

    And to think this is the Year of the Rat.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thu Apr 9 19:47:07 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    The pandemia will stop soon for this reason:

    Now the virus is being mainly spread by the people who either has
    no symptoms, or have mild symptoms. These people is a big
    majority. They are ill of COVID19 in easy form, and they are very
    contagious.

    Well, none of those 8 billion or so people have any immunity to
    this coronavirus, so what else can be expected? I mean, this is a
    new kid on the block who is not yet finished meeting his playmates.

    I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who now had or
    have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19 illness. Most people recover
    from this virus without knowing it.

    That may be true for those who have been infected. But many who
    have been infected never recover. And with almost 8 billion people
    in this world, this virus is just getting started.

    As soon as this majority becomes well again (it will be soon)
    the "firewood" for "virus fire" will disappear. The pandemia will
    stop, the mentioned majority will have the immunity against
    COVID19.

    I am not sure about immunity against COVID-19, which is caused by
    the novel coronavirus affecting the world today. I mean, humans
    already have four coronaviruses flowing through their systems at it
    is, without a vaccine for any of them. A fifth coronavirus will
    just be added to the total and the human race will move on from
    there.

    Well, if people have no symptoms or their illness is/was in relatively mild form it means they have already had some kind of immunity against
    the virus and this immunity will becomes only stronger after their recovering.

    This is a novel coronavirus, meaning nobody in the entire world
    has any immunity. Not a single living soul. Until some are infected,
    there can never be anyone who can get any degree of immunity in such
    cases.

    When new kid on the block arrives, a person's immune system does
    not know what to do. So the virus does whatever it wants.

    They will not have an absolute immunity, but they will stop
    to be the main container of the virus in the population. People can't be
    ill
    with COVID constantly.

    Once a person is infected he/she either lives or dies. Since
    the virus is highly contagious, the person who is infected must
    be quarantined. But with limited testing, and so many not even
    showing symptoms, how can such a contagion possibly be contained?

    Herd immunity threshold for the novel coronavirus is estimated
    at between 2 and 3 (2.5). That is far lower than other diseases,
    such as measles. But still high.

    Estimates for the number of people in the USA who will be infected
    by the novel coronavirus range between 40 and 80 percent, most of
    the models showing closer to 80 percent.

    How many of the total number of infected will die remains an open
    question. But to date, there is no defense.

    For a while: old and weak people should be careful and not attend
    public places. Self isolation for this weak contingent is the most
    right thing. Wait.

    I am not sure Vladimir Putin (age 67) or Donald Trump (age 74) will
    be able to do that...

    The mortality of old people is about 18%. The main problem for old
    people in the US is that many have no medical insurance and they cannot afford themselves to be taken in hospital at early stage. It is easier
    for them to die than have deal with American health protection system.
    But Putin and Trump certainly will be saved in the case of.

    Yes. Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, etc., have the
    very best medical help available to them whenever they need it. But
    what about everybody else?

    The health care system in the USA is unable to cope with the current
    crisis, and changes must be made. It is also one of the reasons why
    a vaccine may never be found. Companies are for profit. There is no
    profit to be made by finding a vaccine. So why do it? Many people
    have no health insurance. So why treat patients who cannot pay?

    Most people who die from COVID-19 never make it to a hospital.

    Nobody seems to be able to figure out why.

    --Lee

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to alexander koryagin on Thu Apr 9 12:13:00 2020
    alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who now had or
    have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19 illness. Most people recover
    from this virus without knowing it.

    Hopefully we've started building some level of herd immunity.


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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Apr 10 16:50:11 2020
    09 Apr 20 12:13, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

    alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who now
    had or have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19 illness. Most
    people recover from this virus without knowing it.

    Hopefully we've started building some level of herd immunity.

    Unfortunately some kind of political herd immunity against reality kills ten thousands of people first.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Apr 10 23:43:41 2020
    Hi, Kurt Weiske!
    I read your message from 09.04.2020 11:13

    I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who
    now had or have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19
    illness. Most people recover from this virus without
    knowing it.

    Hopefully we've started building some level of herd immunity.

    Also it would be interesting to find out why the COVID19 death toll has
    been so high in some countries while it is much lower in other
    countries. There must be a reason for that.

    They probably should compare statistics of deaths for smokers and
    nonsmokers, flu-vaccinated and flu-notvaccinated, people with bronchitis
    and without it, for antibiotic gobblers etc.

    Bye, Kurt!
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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to alexander koryagin on Sat Apr 11 12:06:00 2020
    On 04-10-20 23:43, alexander koryagin wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    They probably should compare statistics of deaths for smokers and nonsmokers, flu-vaccinated and flu-notvaccinated, people with
    bronchitis and without it, for antibiotic gobblers etc.

    I saw something on the news here this morning that there is research being done
    into this area of various risk factors, or at least the health professionals are seeking that.


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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Apr 11 13:54:15 2020
    On 10/04/2020 05:13, 1218/700 wrote:
    alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

     ak>> I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who now had or
     ak>> have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19 illness. Most people recover
     ak>> from this virus without knowing it.

    Hopefully we've started building some level of herd immunity.

    I doubt that those (allegedly) dying of it would see it that way.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Apr 11 23:06:21 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 09.04.2020 18:47

    Well, if people have no symptoms or their illness is/was in
    relatively mild form it means they have already had some kind of
    immunity against the virus and this immunity will becomes only
    stronger after their recovering.

    This is a novel coronavirus, meaning nobody in the entire world has
    any immunity. Not a single living soul. Until some are infected,
    there can never be anyone who can get any degree of immunity in
    such cases.

    It easy to see now that the covid death toll in Russia is very low
    relatively to the number of infected.

    When new kid on the block arrives, a person's immune system does
    not know what to do. So the virus does whatever it wants.

    They will not have an absolute immunity, but they will stop to be
    the main container of the virus in the population. People can't be
    ill with COVID constantly.

    Once a person is infected he/she either lives or dies. Since the
    virus is highly contagious, the person who is infected must be quarantined. But with limited testing, and so many not even showing symptoms, how can such a contagion possibly be contained?

    The saving methods are clear - hygiene, keeping safe distance, if you
    feel ill wear mask, stay at home and lie in bed, if the hospital is out
    of option.
    Pneumonia as a complication is a rule a descending coronal illness. If
    you are active during the illness (flu etc) the infected ichorous masses
    go down deeper into your lungs.

    Herd immunity threshold for the novel coronavirus is estimated at
    between 2 and 3 (2.5). That is far lower than other diseases, such
    as measles. But still high.

    Estimates for the number of people in the USA who will be infected
    by the novel coronavirus range between 40 and 80 percent, most of
    the models showing closer to 80 percent.

    How many of the total number of infected will die remains an open question. But to date, there is no defense.

    It is very important to understand who are the people who died. Did they
    have chronic illnesses, live in cramped ghetto, kept working or other
    activity because they could not afford themselves stay home etc.

    The health care system in the USA is unable to cope with the
    current crisis, and changes must be made. It is also one of the
    reasons why a vaccine may never be found. Companies are for profit.
    There is no profit to be made by finding a vaccine. So why do it?
    Many people have no health insurance. So why treat patients who
    cannot pay?

    Most people who die from COVID-19 never make it to a hospital.
    Nobody seems to be able to figure out why.

    Nevertheless we should understand, that COVID19 virus spreading is not a
    magic -- there are clear and definite ways how it infects people.

    But there many disinformation. For instance, they say that all people
    must wear masks, but in reality only ill people should wear masks --
    they contain their cough and sneezing drops. But the virus is penetrated
    easily through masks while we breathe. People with masks feel
    deceptively that they are safe in masks, and this fatal mistake is
    killing a lot of people.

    So again the saving methods - hygiene, don't pick fingers in your nose,
    mouth, keep safe distance from each other, if you feel ill wear mask,
    stay at home and lie in bed, if the hospital is out of option.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 21 02:50:51 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    Well, if people have no symptoms or their illness is/was in >ak>>relatively mild form it means they have already had some kind of >ak>>immunity against the virus and this immunity will becomes only >ak>>stronger after their recovering.

    This is a novel coronavirus, meaning nobody in the entire world has
    any immunity. Not a single living soul. Until some are infected,
    there can never be anyone who can get any degree of immunity in
    such cases.

    It easy to see now that the covid death toll in Russia is very low
    relatively to the number of infected.

    For now the numbers are lower in Russia than in many other areas.
    Later, it may not make any difference as the entire world is infected.

    When new kid on the block arrives, a person's immune system does
    not know what to do. So the virus does whatever it wants.

    They will not have an absolute immunity, but they will stop to be
    the main container of the virus in the population. People can't be >ak>>ill with COVID constantly.

    Once a person is infected he/she either lives or dies. Since the
    virus is highly contagious, the person who is infected must be >LL>quarantined. But with limited testing, and so many not even showing >LL>symptoms, how can such a contagion possibly be contained?

    The saving methods are clear - hygiene, keeping safe distance, if you
    feel ill wear mask, stay at home and lie in bed, if the hospital is out of
    option.

    In Louisiana, 32% of the population is black, with the mortality
    rate for blacks with COVID-19 at 70%. Why the disparity? Lack of
    access to quality health care. Because most blacks have to work
    in order to pay their bills, they get sick with COVID-19. And they
    are not provided health insurance by their employer. What does that
    mean? Either they go to work sick, or they stay home and die. For
    those fortunate to make it to a hospital, it usually is too late.

    Pneumonia as a complication is a rule a descending coronal illness.

    Of course it is. Did the patient die of pneumonia, or of COVID=19?
    How does one classify such a death? Seasonal flu affects the top of
    the lungs. COVID-19 affects the lower part of the lungs. While
    people can die of either seasonal flu or COVID-19, the odds are much
    better for those with seasonal flu rather than COVID-19.

    If you are active during the illness (flu etc) the infected ichorous masses
    go down deeper into your lungs.

    Not a fun experience for anybody.

    Herd immunity threshold for the novel coronavirus is estimated at >LL>between 2 and 3 (2.5). That is far lower than other diseases, such
    as measles. But still high.

    Estimates for the number of people in the USA who will be infected
    by the novel coronavirus range between 40 and 80 percent, most of
    the models showing closer to 80 percent.

    How many of the total number of infected will die remains an open >LL>question. But to date, there is no defense.

    It is very important to understand who are the people who died. Did they
    have chronic illnesses, live in cramped ghetto, kept working or other >activity because they could not afford themselves stay home etc.

    According to health professionals, some 90% of those who died
    had underlying causes, such as obesity, hypertension, or diabetes.

    The health care system in the USA is unable to cope with the
    current crisis, and changes must be made. It is also one of the
    reasons why a vaccine may never be found. Companies are for profit. >LL>There is no profit to be made by finding a vaccine. So why do it?
    Many people have no health insurance. So why treat patients who
    cannot pay?

    Most people who die from COVID-19 never make it to a hospital.
    Nobody seems to be able to figure out why.

    Nevertheless we should understand, that COVID19 virus spreading is not a
    magic -- there are clear and definite ways how it infects people.

    Not everything is understood about the novel coronavirus. Some
    things may never be understood. Will a vaccine be found that is
    safe and effective? Nobody knows. We do know no vaccine was ever
    found for the Spanish Flu. And that pandemic broke out in 1918.

    If I use the Spanish Flu as a guide, I could expect the novel
    coronavirus to infect one-third of the world's population, with
    ten percent of those infected dying. With a world population
    of 7.8 billion people, I'll let you and others do the math.

    But there many disinformation. For instance, they say that all people must
    wear masks, but in reality only ill people should wear masks -- they
    contain their cough and sneezing drops. But the virus is penetrated easily through masks while we breathe.

    Half of the people who are infected have no idea they are infected.
    Not wearing a mask is putting others at risk.

    Those who know they are infected are either in self-quarantine,
    or in the hospital.

    People with masks feel
    deceptively that they are safe in masks, and this fatal mistake is
    killing a lot of people.

    Not wearing a mask is suicidal. Since most people want to live,
    I would expect those who are sane to wear a mask. At least in public.
    Except for Donald Trump, who has publicly stated he will not wear a
    mask.

    So again the saving methods - hygiene, don't pick fingers in your nose, >mouth, keep safe distance from each other, if you feel ill wear mask,
    stay at home and lie in bed, if the hospital is out of option.

    Many people have to work, even though they are not sick or infected.
    Even some who are infected choose not to say anything and choose to
    work, as not showing up for work would get them fired. So they work
    until they drop, or somehow make it to a hospital where they later
    die. That is how people with no health insurance have to live their
    lives in this country. The land of the free, and the home of the
    brave.

    Louisiana - 32% black, 70% mortality rate due to COVID-19.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 21 02:50:58 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    I believe that there can be tens of millions of people who
    now had or have had hidden or mild forms of COVID19
    illness. Most people recover from this virus without
    knowing it.

    Hopefully we've started building some level of herd immunity.

    Also it would be interesting to find out why the COVID19 death toll has been
    so high in some countries while it is much lower in other
    countries. There must be a reason for that.

    The death toll in northern Italy is high, but low in southern Italy.
    The reason for this is due to most Italians in northern Italy having
    low levels of cholesterol, while most Italians in southern Italy and
    Sicily having high levels of cholesterol.

    The same phenomenon is found elsewhere, such as in Spain and France.
    The lower the level of cholesterol, the more likely one is to die of
    COVID-19.

    They probably should compare statistics of deaths for smokers and
    nonsmokers, flu-vaccinated and flu-notvaccinated, people with bronchitis
    and without it, for antibiotic gobblers etc.

    Those who are obese (fat), have hypertension (high blood pressure),
    or have diabetes are also more likely to die of COVID-19, especially
    if they are elderly. Smoking may be a contributing factor, but not
    the only factor. Since the novel coronavirus is new, it is a given
    that no flu vaccine would have any effect.

    Many who have died of COVID-19 had zinc deficiency. This has
    led to speculation that adding zinc to one's diet may help to
    prevent people from catching COVID-19, or help people recover.
    There is no evidence to support it, but people will believe it
    for no other reason than Donald Trump said so.

    So. There you go. You want to live? Do as the Good Doctor
    says and take your zinc. Along with massive doses of statin drugs.
    And don't forget to play golf. Every day.

    See you in the cemetery.

    --Lee

    --
    Nobody Beats Our Meat

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland (2:221/360.0)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Apr 24 23:12:50 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 21.04.2020 01:50

    Not wearing a mask is suicidal. Since most people want to live,
    I would expect those who are sane to wear a mask. At least in
    public. Except for Donald Trump, who has publicly stated he
    will not wear a mask.

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro
    disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The infected people without symptoms don't cough and sneeze, and they
    breathe out only micro disperse drops that go through simple medical
    masks freely. It is a false idea that mask prevent such people from
    infecting others.

    Wearing a respirator-mask is a criminal act in the streets if you are
    infected. Such respirator-masks have a valve that pass out you breath
    freely (together with big infected drops).

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Sat Apr 25 03:43:49 2020
    Hello Alexander,

    Not wearing a mask is suicidal. Since most people want to live,
    I would expect those who are sane to wear a mask. At least in
    public. Except for Donald Trump, who has publicly stated he
    will not wear a mask.

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol). But
    nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer some
    limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who are sick
    are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large droplets
    would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than infecting those
    who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have
    been told here in the USA.

    The infected people without symptoms don't cough and sneeze, and they breathe out only micro disperse drops that go through simple medical
    masks freely. It is a false idea that mask prevent such people from infecting others.

    That may be. But we have been told, so we must obey. Except
    for Trump, who marches to the beat of his own drum.

    Wearing a respirator-mask is a criminal act in the streets if you are infected. Such respirator-masks have a valve that pass out you breath freely (together with big infected drops).

    As long as it is not an orange mist we might survive. Otherwise,
    it was nice knowing you.

    --Lee

    --
    Erections, That's Our Game

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Apr 26 17:22:24 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 25.04.2020 02:43

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro
    disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol). But
    nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer some
    limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who are sick
    are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large droplets
    would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than infecting
    those who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have been
    told here in the USA.

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics keep a
    habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from covid19 and
    he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and that recovered
    patient were wearing masks during that applause. It shows well how much
    we can believe them. ;=)

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from snotty
    and coughing people... if they wear them.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Sun Apr 26 10:24:00 2020
    Hello alexander!

    ** On 26.04.20 - 17:22, alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics keep a
    habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from covid19 and
    he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and that recovered
    patient were wearing masks during that applause. It shows well how much
    we can believe them. ;=)

    That does make for a funny visual commentary! LOL


    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from snotty
    and coughing people... if they wear them.

    You can't always predict when a sudden cough or sneeze may arise.


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, Ont. CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to August Abolins on Mon Apr 27 13:20:23 2020
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 26.04.2020 09:24

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only
    from snotty and coughing people... if they wear them.
    You can't always predict when a sudden cough or sneeze may
    arise.

    As I told before, healthy people don't cough and sneeze. As well as
    infected people without symptoms, who are the main virus conductor.
    They emit virus with masks or without them.
    All the world practice shows that if the medics worked (with infected
    people) wearing simple medical masks -- they have been infected very
    often -- the best proof of the mask uselessness. A usual medical mask
    don't save from the covid19 contamination. Such masks should be worn
    only by sick people with cough and sneeze.

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 27 11:44:10 2020
    As I told before, healthy people don't cough and sneeze. As well as infected people without symptoms, who are the main virus conductor.
    They emit virus with masks or without them.
    All the world practice shows that if the medics worked (with infected people) wearing simple medical masks -- they have been infected very
    often -- the best proof of the mask uselessness. A usual medical mask
    don't save from the covid19 contamination. Such masks should be worn
    only by sick people with cough and sneeze.

    It's amazing how people who 2 months ago were leading experts on CO2 emissions, are now leading experts on virus contamination and fighting.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: If you build it he will come (2:292/854)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Ward Dossche on Mon Apr 27 15:23:30 2020
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 27.04.2020 10:44

    As I told before, healthy people don't cough and sneeze. As
    well as infected people without symptoms, who are the main
    virus conductor. They emit virus with masks or without them.
    All the world practice shows that if the medics worked
    (with infected people) wearing simple medical masks -- they
    have been infected very often -- the best proof of the mask
    uselessness. A usual medical mask don't save from the
    covid19 contamination. Such masks should be worn only by
    sick people with cough and sneeze.
    It's amazing how people who 2 months ago were leading experts
    on CO2 emissions, are now leading experts on virus
    contamination and fighting.

    A lot of information about masks and respirators, hygiene etc now
    available to all people. If it had been so 2 month ago many people could
    be saved.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 27 13:47:24 2020
    Hi Alex,

    A lot of information about masks and respirators, hygiene etc now
    available to all people. If it had been so 2 month ago many people could
    be saved.

    In the meantime I have seen so much junk being imported and made at home that the impact of these masks would have been superfluous.

    And after the fact we all have 20/20 vision.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: If you build it he will come (2:292/854)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 27 23:52:38 2020
    Hello Alexader,

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only micro
    disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are useless
    against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol). But
    nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer some
    limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who are sick
    are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large droplets
    would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than infecting
    those who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have been
    told here in the USA.

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics keep a habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from covid19 and
    he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and that recovered
    patient were wearing masks during that applause. It shows well how much
    we can believe them. ;=)

    There is so much uncertainty about this virus that nobody seems
    to know what they are talking about.

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from snotty
    and
    coughing people... if they wear them.

    That is what the CDC and health professionals have been telling
    everybody. But since so few in this country have been tested, the recommendation is for everybody to wear a mask in public. Better
    to be safe than sorry approach.

    So what do politicians do? Open the beaches and let everybody
    play outside. Even with a stay at home lockdown order in place.

    Now somebody tell me that makes sense.

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se (2:203/2)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Apr 28 16:29:47 2020
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 27.04.2020 22:52

    Big cough drops drop down quickly. In the air there are only
    micro disperse drops (similar to vapour) and medicine masks are
    useless against them.

    The novel coronavirus is not thought to be airborne (aerosol).
    But nothing is certain. Wearing a cloth mask is thought to offer
    some limited protection to those who are not sick, if those who
    are sick are wearing such a mask. The idea being that any large
    droplets would be caught by those wearing a mask, rather than
    infecting those who are not.

    Problem is nobody knows who is and is not sick. In which case
    everybody (except for Trump) should wear a mask. Or so we have
    been told here in the USA.

    A funny story was shown in the news. In some hospital the medics
    keep a habit to applaud to the patient when he had recovered from
    covid19 and he is leaving the hospital. But all the medics and
    that recovered patient were wearing masks during that applause. It
    shows well how much we can believe them. ;=)

    There is so much uncertainty about this virus that nobody seems to
    know what they are talking about.

    In many countries there is a tradition -- after having built a bridge
    they test it with loaded trucks, and the chief bridge designer stands
    under the bridge at that moment. ;-) So if the medics are sure that they
    have cured the patient they could demonstrate it by speaking with the
    patient without masks. But they are not sure probably.

    PS: But anyway it is well known that medical masks save only from
    snotty and coughing people... if they wear them.

    That is what the CDC and health professionals have been telling
    everybody. But since so few in this country have been tested, the recommendation is for everybody to wear a mask in public. Better to
    be safe than sorry approach.

    So what do politicians do? Open the beaches and let everybody play outside. Even with a stay at home lockdown order in place.

    They have reason not to believe that covid19 is so dangerous.

    Now somebody tell me that makes sense.

    The tests have showed that it is very likely more than 50% of population
    have already recovered from covid19 and have antibodies in their blood.
    It means that the epidemic has been going on in its own, hidden way and
    pay little attention on the official statistics that tells us about
    people who "became ill with covid19" every day.

    So, when, after the epidemic, we count the final number of all people
    with covid19 anitibodies we will realize that the mortality from this
    virus is very low, as it was during a usual seasonal epidemic.

    This outrages status of the epidemic (psychosis) was created my
    journalist, mass media, social networks. I told it in some echo.

    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    Look here: https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/united-states-influenza-pneumonia

    The death toll from influenza and pneumonia in 2017 is 80.5 thousand
    people per season. I.e. 220 people per day. But every epidemic as we
    know from history lasts... let it be 3 months. It means that during the
    days of the epidemic the death toll is 4 times higher than average death
    toll! I.E around 900 person per day (some days more, some day less).

    Now suppose the American media, in 2017 cold season, would have
    announced that the US has an awful epidemic, and every day the country
    is going to lose 900 people per day during three months!!! (again - some
    days more some days less). Will it be hysteria and panic? No doubt about
    that.
    ----- The end of the citation -----


    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 28 09:33:00 2020
    Hello alexander!

    ** On 28.04.20 - 16:29, alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    ... So if the medics are sure that they have cured the patient they
    could demonstrate it by speaking with the patient without masks. But
    they are not sure probably.

    In a hospital, the patients usually do not mingle with other people, but
    the doctors *do*. So, if patient is virus-free, the doctors may contact another bug from another patient, then the doctor goes back to first patient.. oops.

    It is .: better to take precautions: wear masks.


    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, Ont. CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to August Abolins on Tue Apr 28 15:37:05 2020
    Hello August,

    On Tuesday April 28 2020 09:33, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

    In a hospital, the patients usually do not mingle with other people,
    but the doctors *do*. So, if patient is virus-free, the doctors may contact another bug from another patient, then the doctor goes back
    to first patient.. oops.

    It is .: better to take precautions: wear masks.

    Plus that these masks are scarse and may not be reused. When the doctor or nurse takes off the mask, it has to be disposed. To go back to the other patients, he/she needs a new mask. Of which there is a shortage. Another reason to keep the mask on for the short ceremony of seeing the cured patient off.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: http://www.vlist.org (2:280/5555)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to August Abolins on Wed Apr 29 00:43:41 2020
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 28.04.2020 08:33

    ... So if the medics are sure that they have cured the patient
    they could demonstrate it by speaking with the patient without
    masks. But they are not sure probably.

    In a hospital, the patients usually do not mingle with other
    people, but the doctors *do*. So, if patient is virus-free, the
    doctors may contact another bug from another patient, then the
    doctor goes back to first patient.. oops.

    It is well known now that after recovering from covid19 a person cannot
    be infected for some time -- he has antibodies. More of that the blood
    of these people is now used as a medicine to cure the covid19 patients.

    It is.: better to take precautions: wear masks.

    In the hospital there are clean and dirty area. In the clean area they
    can go without masks, eat, drink etc. I believe that was the clean area. ;-)

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Apr 29 00:49:10 2020
    Hi, Michiel Van Der Vlist!
    I read your message from 28.04.2020 14:37

    It is .: better to take precautions: wear masks.
    Plus that these masks are scarse and may not be reused. When
    the doctor or nurse takes off the mask, it has to be disposed.
    To go back to the other patients, he/she needs a new mask. Of
    which there is a shortage. Another reason to keep the mask on for the short ceremony of seeing the cured patient off.

    The medical staff who really works with covid infected people wear not
    masks but special protective suits and glasses, and they don't leave the hospital dirty area during their shift.

    Bye, Michiel!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to alexander koryagin on Tue Apr 28 17:31:00 2020
    Hello alexander!

    ** On 29.04.20 - 00:43, alexander koryagin wrote to August Abolins:

    In the hospital there are clean and dirty area. In the clean area they
    can go without masks, eat, drink etc. I believe that was the clean area.
    ;-)

    I don't know if you've ever had to stay in a hospital, but designated
    areas are just controlled by simple signs on a wall or a sticker on the floor. It doesn't stop anyone to compromise those expectations.

    When a person is first admitted, they are often just placed in a large
    room that has separate bay areas that are only divided my curtains. The "fresh" incoming person can end up staying in that open area for several hours.

    The ventalation system of hospitals are not isolated into clean/dirty
    areas. The same air goes everywhere.

    People going in for routine things like a cast, basic first aid, or other seemingly benign things, can come out sicker with something totally unrelated.

    Godspeed to you should you ever have to visit a hospital against your
    wishes.

    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.43
    * Origin: /|ug's Point, Ont. CANADA (2:221/1.58)
  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to August Abolins on Fri May 1 23:32:05 2020
    Hi, August Abolins!
    I read your message from 28.04.2020 16:31

    In the hospital there are clean and dirty area. In the clean area
    they can go without masks, eat, drink etc. I believe that was the
    clean area. ;-)

    I don't know if you've ever had to stay in a hospital, but
    designated areas are just controlled by simple signs on a wall or a sticker on the floor. It doesn't stop anyone to compromise those expectations.

    Our state TV constantly shows how an infectious diseases hospital works,
    in every detail. At least in Russia, there is no chance to move freely
    from the clean area to the dirty area.

    When a person is first admitted, they are often just placed in a
    large room that has separate bay areas that are only divided my
    curtains. The "fresh" incoming person can end up staying in that
    open area for several hours.

    I've read what Ward wrote about his experience in hospital. In Russia
    they also have not a quick admitting procedure, but the speed depends on
    the stuff quantity. They also have common rooms for newcomers, where, I believe, there is a good chance to catch the virus or another lung
    infection. They can't instantly separate people with usual
    pneumonia/cold from people with covid19.

    The ventalation system of hospitals are not isolated into
    clean/dirty areas. The same air goes everywhere.

    I believe it must not be so in infectious diseases hospitals. Suppose
    they treat plague patients and they have the same ventilation system.

    People going in for routine things like a cast, basic first aid, or
    other seemingly benign things, can come out sicker with something
    totally unrelated.

    Yes, the medics often get ill, especially if they count on simple
    medical masks as a mean of defence against the virus.

    Bye, August!
    Alexander Koryagin
    fido7.fidonews 2020
    --- FIDOGATE 5.1.7ds
    * Origin: Pushkin's BBS (2:5020/2140.2)