• Spanish Flu

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Mon Mar 2 00:38:09 2020
    Hello Everybody,

    US President Donald Trump cut the funding for the CDC two years
    ago, thus ending the careers of over 300 scientists and health
    care professionals, along with much needed medical supplies.
    How did the US president in 1918 handle the Spanish Flu when it
    spread across America? Oh. He had a stroke, and probably was
    unaware anybody was suffering. But let's not blame US President
    Woodrow Wilson for what is happening now.

    Let's take a look at what things were like in 1918 -

    In 1918 the Spanish Flu killed at least 50 million people around the
    world and was the second deadliest plague in history – after, well,
    the plague in the 1300s. But how exactly did a flu virus cause such
    massive death and destruction across the world? #HistoryChannel. Pub.
    Feb. 2019.

    The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent
    history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin.
    Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus
    originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States,
    it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is
    estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was
    estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000
    occurring in the United States.

    Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years
    old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people,
    including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature
    of this pandemic. While the 1918 H1N1 virus has been synthesized and
    evaluated, the properties that made it so devastating are not well
    understood. With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection
    and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can
    be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide
    were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation,
    quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and
    limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

    More:

    Centers for Disease Control,

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Mon Mar 2 09:57:57 2020
    The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent
    history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919.

    Man, such crossposted texts heavily remind me of Roy Witt who did the same and also made it look as if he was universally knowledgeable about "whatever".

    The 1918-1920 pandemic happened because of WW1 ... and spread initially in particular by US troop movements, the fact that news was censored, the warring parties did not cooperate while the fighting was still going on, malnourishment of people, low morale, reduced physical resistance due to the fighting and more ...

    I remember my grand-parents discussing this and their story is that most people in the European lowlands who died of an illness, died of typhoid which had easy targets in people weakened already by the flu. The flu in itself was not the big killer, secondary causes were.

    Same it is with the Corona-virus, same it is every spring when the flu arrives...the problem 'now' being science didn't see it coming nor was it prepared for the variation but the worldwide near-immediate response was a result of our communication-society ... and with all due respect for the Chinese victims: PTL for the downfall of Communism otherwise there might already have been 20 million dead in China before the news got out.

    The typical seasonal flu has a mortality rate between 290,000 and 650,000 per year... just sayin' ...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thu Mar 5 00:33:08 2020
    Hello Ward,

    The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent LL>history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. LL>Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus LL>originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919.

    Man, such crossposted texts heavily remind me of Roy Witt who did the
    same
    and also made it look as if he was universally knowledgeable about "whatever".

    The death rate from seasonal flu is 0.1% in the USA.
    It is probably much the same the world over.

    The global death rate from COVID-19 is 3.4% according to WHO.

    The 1918-1920 pandemic happened because of WW1 ...

    Guns did not start a global pandemic. Nor did mustard gas.

    and spread initially in particular by US troop movements,

    It is unknown where the virus originated, although there has
    been a lot of speculation. And do remember, there was a war going
    on. Lots of fingers being pointed, everybody blaming somebody
    else.

    the fact that news was censored,

    That is what usually happens when there is a war going on.

    the warring parties did not cooperate while the fighting was still going
    on,

    Soldiers follow orders, and never pretend to play nice.

    malnourishment of people, low morale, reduced physical resistance due to
    the
    fighting and more ...

    The virus depleted the ranks. With so few left to fight, there
    was no more sense in continuing the war.

    I remember my grand-parents discussing this and their story is that most people in the European lowlands who died of an illness, died of typhoid which had easy targets in people weakened already by the flu. The flu in itself was not the big killer, secondary causes were.

    One more time. The Spanish Flu was caused by an H1N1 virus.
    The death rate from seasonal flu is 0.1% while the death rate
    from a virus such as an H1N1 virus is significantly higher.

    Same it is with the Corona-virus, same it is every spring when the flu arrives...

    Seasonal flu = 0.1% death rate
    COVID-19 = 3.4% death rate
    SARS = 9.6% death rate

    the problem 'now' being science didn't see it coming nor was it prepared
    for
    the variation but the worldwide near-immediate response was a result of
    our
    communication-society ...

    What the heck have you been smoking?

    South Korea has been aggressive in testing their citizens. The
    most recent results show 136,000 tested with 5,328 confirmed cases
    and 32 deaths, for a death rate of .6 percent.

    Italy has *not* been aggressive at testing their citizens. They
    have reported 2,502 cases with 80 deaths, which is a death rate of 3.2
    percent.

    The rate is supposed to be calculated by dividing deaths by
    (deaths + recoveries) - or what the WHO calls "past cases."

    Going by that method, using earlier numbers, South Korea has had 28
    deaths and 41 recoveries, so the death rate is 28/(28+41) - which is
    a heck of a lot higher than what the news media has been saying.

    and with all due respect for the Chinese victims: PTL for the downfall of Communism otherwise there might already have been 20 million dead in
    China
    before the news got out.

    China's Hubei Province accounts for 94% of total deaths worldwide.
    Mainland China accounts for 96% of total deaths worldwide.
    Based on numbers reported by China.

    Do note the dead are not tested. And therefore not counted.
    So what is the true rate of infection in China?
    What is the true death rate in China?
    Not even China knows the answer.
    Nor does China want to know.
    And even if China did know, China would never tell.

    The typical seasonal flu has a mortality rate between 290,000 and 650,000 per year... just sayin' ...

    0.1% is a tiny percentage.

    But hey. Let's do some math.

    If this bug proceeds to infect 40-70% of the global population
    - currently at 7.8 billion people - and the global fatality rate
    is 3.4% as claimed by the WHO, what will our total expected
    losses be?

    Compare that 3.4% number with your 0.1% number.

    Not only is it a big difference, it is a *huge* difference.

    --Lee

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