Hello Everybody,
Everybody loves children. Right?
Especially Muslim children. Right?
Here are Muslim children.
All singing the same old song.
In the City of Brotherly Love - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA
Truly a sight to behold, isn't it?
There must be NO tolerance to allow this disease to continue to
exist within the United States of America.
On 13/05/2019 02:31, Gregory Deyss -> Lee Lofaso wrote:
There must be NO tolerance to allow this disease to continue to
exist within the United States of America.
Should the KKK and other purist "Christian" filth be not tolerated too?
want toThere must be NO tolerance to allow this disease to continue to
exist within the United States of America.
Should the KKK and other purist "Christian" filth be not toleratedtoo?
I do not need to be a member the Klan to know that I am right about everything that I indicated previously.
I have no problem with anyone leaving here or even next to me if they
live here in peace, but the adults that put this together knew what theywere
doing. Then even posting it on social media... what the hell is wrongwith you
that you are not repulsed by this. What the hell is wrong with you? indeed...
David Drummond wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
And I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in
your country is not my problem.
You have to appreciate that not everyone has been indoctrinated in the "American Way", some of us see the world a little differently to many USAmericans.
And I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in your country is not my problem.
And I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in
your country is not my problem.
And yet you feel the need to (frequently) comment on what happens
here in this country.
Mind your own business if it's not your problem.
justYou have to appreciate that not everyone has been indoctrinated in the
"American Way", some of us see the world a little differently to many
USAmericans.
I would think that living in peace can appeal to everyone everywhere not
Americans.
ownAnd I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in your
country is not my problem.
Great then you might want to check this out as it is happening in your
back yard.
-on-muslim-immigration/
Everybody loves children. Right?
Especially Muslim children. Right?
Here are Muslim children.
All singing the same old song.
In the City of Brotherly Love - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania USA
Truly a sight to behold, isn't it?
This facility should be immediately shutdown and demolished.
Next the so called American-Muslim society should be eliminated.
Why?
These two cultures; Christians and Muslims are in serious conflict withone
another and have been for hundreds of years. To suggest otherwise isbeing
extremely naive.
What escaped to the media and to the world of children singing about chopping off heads; is really who they are and it is what they believe.
They want to be intolerant and have this ideology of which supports this disgusting action and belief?
Fine... then they will learn what the true meaning of the word means, tobe
intolerant. There must be NO tolerance to allow this disease to continueto
exist within the United States of America.
I can see the appeal to USAmericans - they have so little peace - if
what we're told in the news is to be believed.
I would guess there are proportionately as many narrow minded bigots in Australia as there are there.
Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
isI can see the appeal to USAmericans - they have so little peace - if
what we're told in the news is to be believed.
Yeah, You got a point there is no way that I watch CNN, or NBC, the news
not the news any longer and it's nothing more then a production, in other words, It's Fake News.comes
I would guess there are proportionately as many narrow minded bigots in
Australia as there are there.
That might be so but Australia, is not alone with it's stance when it
to Muslims and you may be surprised to learn that I am not talking about the U.S.
Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
Where there are a few there are thousands, but it's always too late when when they shout Allahu akbar!
Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
Where there are a few there are thousands, but it's always too late when when they shout Allahu akbar!
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The US is a *free* nation.
theIslam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
Where there are a few there are thousands, but it's always too late
when when they shout Allahu akbar!
Is that any worse than the US President saying "God is on your side" to
US forces when they were invading Iraq?
areI can see the appeal to USAmericans - they have so little peace - if
what we're told in the news is to be believed.
Yeah, You got a point there is no way that I watch CNN, or NBC, thenews is
not the news any longer and it's nothing more then a production, inother
words, It's Fake News.
inI would guess there are proportionately as many narrow minded bigots
Australia as there are there.
That might be so but Australia, is not alone with it's stance when itcomes
to Muslims and you may be surprised to learn that I am not talkingabout
the U.S.
Such a mind set would make them "narrow minded bigots". Not all Muslims
of the zealous head chopping frame of mind, and more than all Christiansin
USA are of the KKK mindset.
There are bad eggs in all cultures.
On 14/05/2019 11:30, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:is not
And I didn't bother to view the video, what madness happens in
your country is not my problem.
And yet you feel the need to (frequently) comment on what happens
here in this country.
I take my lead from the example shown by the USAmericans.
Mind your own business if it's not your problem.
That does not stop me from making an observation. 'Freedom of speech"
your exclusive realm.
Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The US is a *free* nation.
Based on freedom to bear arms. freedom of speech, freedom from religious persecution, etc. Yes primarily the US is composed of Christianity but there are many beliefs supported because it is a *free* nation.
Such a mind set would make them "narrow minded bigots". Not all Muslims are of the zealous head chopping frame of mind, and more than all Christians in USA are of the KKK mindset.
On 15/05/2019 09:56, Gregory Deyss -> Lee Lofaso wrote:
Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
Where there are a few there are thousands, but it's always too late when they shout Allahu akbar!
Is that any worse than the US President saying "God is on your side" to the US forces when they were invading Iraq?
Many Christian terrorists have shot abortion doctors dead ...
Mind your own business if it's not your problem.
That does not stop me from making an observation. 'Freedom of speech" is not
your exclusive realm.
Over here, many people - especially those of the leftist persuasion - believe in freedom for MY speech and will shout down anyone who tries to express a different opinion. They've been doing that here for well over half a century
theirSuch a mind set would make them "narrow minded bigots". Not all Muslims
are of the zealous head chopping frame of mind, and more than all
Christians in USA are of the KKK mindset.
Every time that I have became aware or learned about someone who had
head chopped off it has been by acts of terror by Muslims or someone who joined up with the Islamic faith and has become radicalized.
This just does not happen in modern times with folks who fellow Christianity to any degree.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of my Christian Values.
Thinking the way I do, does not make me a Klansman, a white supremacistor a
even a Nazi. The truth the matter is that I am not going to change yourmind,
even though your backwards and opinionated, you have that right.
Just know that this has nothing to do with me.
Sure there are some nut cases out there with guns, does that mean that we outlaw the gun, even I believe in Gun Control - I use both hands.
If these people who feel so strongly about their religion and their connection to allah, and want to kill the non-believers & can not remain peaceful then the United States of America may not the best choice for a destination, I have no plans at any such time, in becoming beingsubmissive
in my beliefs.
On 05-15-19 20:30, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to David Drummond about Re: Muslim Kids <=-
Every time that I have became aware or learned about someone who had
their head chopped off it has been by acts of terror by Muslims or
someone who joined up with the Islamic faith and has become
radicalized.
This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks
who fellow Christianity to any degree.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of my
Christian Values.
Thinking the way I do, does not make me a Klansman, a white
supremacist or a even a Nazi.
This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks who fellow Christianity to any degree.
On 05-15-19 20:30, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to David Drummond about Re: Muslim Kids <=-
Every time that I have became aware or learned about someone who had their head chopped off it has been by acts of terror by Muslims or someone who joined up with the Islamic faith and has become radicalized.
This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks
who fellow Christianity to any degree.
Perhaps not -- instead they got hung from the nearest tree.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of my
Christian Values.
Certainly not -- assuming that you practice them, according to the teachings of Jesus. But much of what is happening in society today is definitely not according to Christian teachings.
Thinking the way I do, does not make me a Klansman, a white supremacist or a even a Nazi.
Nor does it make the billions of Muslims into Jhadist revolutionaries. Both are fringe splinter groups of the whole.
This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks who fellow Christianity to any degree.
preaching is still going strong, especially in the former slave states
of the USA.
This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks who fellow
Christianity to any degree.
preaching is still going strong, especially in the former slave states
of the USA.
You do see where I am located? right? Upstate New York...
notIs that any worse than the US President saying "God is on your side" to
the US forces when they were invading Iraq?
The U.S. as well as many other nations went there as a liberation force
as a conquering force.
forBoth are fringe splinter groups of the whole.
At least I can say the Good Book, that is the Holy Bible, does not call
the killing of the the non-believers.everything
You can say that they are peaceful and benevolent all you want, but the Quran the go to book that is at the focal point of the ideology is
but peaceful and benevolent.
In fact... The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war withnonbelievers,
usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quitegraphic,
with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels whereverthey
may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites'and
warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join theslaughter.
Nor do our people become radicalized and commit heinous crimes in the
name of Christ.
warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join theslaughter.
Nor do our people become radicalized and commit heinous crimes in the
name of Christ.
Can you quote the chapter and verse of the Koran that says that?
Nor do our people become radicalized and commit heinous crimes in the
name of Christ.
Bullshit!
something something crusades something something knights templar
something something something
On 05-16-19 18:08, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Muslim Kids <=-
At least I can say the Good Book, that is the Holy Bible, does not
call for the killing of the the non-believers.
You can say that they are peaceful and benevolent all you want, but
the Quran the go to book that is at the focal point of the ideology is everything but peaceful and benevolent.
In fact...
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Nor do our people become radicalized and commit heinous crimes in the
name of Christ.
On 15 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...too late w
On 15/05/2019 09:56, Gregory Deyss -> Lee Lofaso wrote:
Islam means "peace and submission to Allah". Those who refuse
get what they deserve. According to their holy book.
but the U.S. is primarily is a Christian Nation.
The twisted mentality of a small handful of people does not mean
that all Muslims have the same "off with their heads" mentality.
Remember, these are small children who have been taught to hate.
Where there are a few there are thousands, but it's always
side" towhen they shout Allahu akbar!
Is that any worse than the US President saying "God is on your
the US forces when they were invading Iraq?
The U.S. as well as many other nations went there as a liberation force not as a conquering force.
On 16/05/2019 04:56, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:for their
Many Christian terrorists have shot abortion doctors dead ...
It is very interesting that "pro-life" advocates are prepared to kill
cause...
preaching isThis just doesnot happen in modern times with folks who fellow Christianity to any degree.
It seems to me that the fire-and-brimstone style of Christian
still going strong, especially in the former slave states of the USA.showed
This is for instance how the Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, Kansas
their Christian love for some of those who died in the 2004 Tsunami in south-east Asia. Is that modern enough times for you?
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On 16 May 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...
At least I can say the Good Book, that is the Holy Bible, does not call for the killing of the the non-believers.
leavesCan you quote the chapter and verse of the Koran that says that?
Not bloody likely. The Koran is mostly a verbatim copy of the Christian Bible. Unlike the Jewish ditto that only includes the Old Testament and
out all of the Jesus tales.the same
All three (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are basically one and
religion, the only three that are monotheistic and are based on the same fictive person called Abraham.
I do not now, nor ever have had the desire to possess a gun. I do not
hunt for food so cannot perceive a need.
remIf these people who feel so strongly about their religion and their connection to allah, and want to kill the non-believers & can not
fopeaceful then the United States of America may not the best choice
destination, I have no plans at any such time, in becoming being
in my beliefs.
And yet you submit to your belief...
All the Iraqis were liberated from was their oil and sovereignty.
Sure there are some nut cases out there with guns, does that mean that we outlaw the gun, even I believe in Gun Control - I use both hands.
I do not now, nor ever have had the desire to possess a gun. I do not hunt for food so cannot perceive a need.
for.And yet you submit to your belief...
Believing in something enough to fight and die for it, is worth fighting
This is not a indigenous belief to Americans, far from it.
All the Iraqis were liberated from was their oil and sovereignty.
The U.S. produces more oil then anywhere in the middle east.
The world would like very different today if it would not America and her allies because France was liberated. but...
Let's say we stayed out of it, just let the Europeans have it.
Germany would of grown to a more massive size and would have encompassedmost
of Europe today. Adolf Hitler's grand plans for the 'supercapital' of the Third Reich, which he intended to rename Germania, are detailed in a new exhibition.
Staged in a vast Nazi bunker, 'The Myth of Germania: Vision and Crimes' features the 'Hall of the People' which was to be twice the size of St Peter's Basilica in Rome with room for 180,000 people.
I do not now, nor ever have had the desire to possess a gun. I do not hunt
for food so cannot perceive a need.
There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
2. Home/personal defense. Here's a scenario for you - you're home asleepat
3:00AM, and are awoken by a noise. Turns out it's a couple of thugsbreaking
into your house to steal your property and/or rape/kill your wife andteenage
daughter. They're crazed out on drugs and have no fear, and either haveguns
or some other weapon of deadly force like a club or knife. They come atyou
with clear intentions to kill you. What are you gonna do? Call thepolice?
Yell and scream for help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead.
For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, theoutcome
will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
How can any sane person argue that that is not a valid need/use for abecause you don't
gun? Are you willing to give up your life, or your family's lives,
"feel a need" to have a gun?
There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
2. Home/personal defense.
Decades ago in POLITICS I made the point that by definition all monotheistic religions are worshiping the same god. You wouldn't believe the hatred that spewed my way
I would need to know what I was fighting for, not just accept some proposition with no evidence what so ever.
True, USA does not have the monopoly on religious nutters but it sure
does have more than its equal share.
Paul Quinn wrote to Dan Clough <=-
There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Yes, and more expensive these days.
2. Home/personal defense.
Not a valid reason for a firearms licence in Australia.
Mention that at a Police interview and it's an instant fail,
practically forever. No shit, as in a previous life I was
part of the licensing process.
David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I do not now, nor ever have had the desire to possess a gun. I do not hunt
for food so cannot perceive a need.
There are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is
challenging and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see
how challenging and fun that it.
2. Home/personal defense. Here's a scenario for you - you're home asleep
at
3:00AM, and are awoken by a noise. Turns out it's a couple of thugs
breaking
into your house to steal your property and/or rape/kill your wife and
teenage
daughter. They're crazed out on drugs and have no fear, and either have
guns
or some other weapon of deadly force like a club or knife. They come at
you
with clear intentions to kill you. What are you gonna do? Call the
police?
Yell and scream for help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead.
Oh - a hypothetical situation. I would cast my magic spell and
send them to the nearest police station.
The likelihood of your above scenario is so slim as to not
warrant mention. Remember - I DO NOT live in USA. Life is not
ruled by firearms here.
For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the
outcome
will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
You live in fear of being attacked by armed intruders?
How can any sane person argue that that is not a valid need/use for a
gun? Are you willing to give up your life, or your family's lives,
because you don't
"feel a need" to have a gun?
I see the risk of that happening as so slim that I can honestly
say "I do not feel the need to possess a firearm to defend myself
from armed attackers".
It would appear that a very large percentage of Australian
residents see it the same way.
Wikipedia tells us:
Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country:
1 United States 120.5
[..]
51 Australia 14.5
I can see why you're so terrified. Have you thought of migrating
to Australia... or maybe
Mention that at a Police interview and it's an instant fail,
practically forever. No shit, as in a previous life I was
part of the licensing process.
We don't have police interviews here, unless you've already been arrested... :)
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is
challenging and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see
how challenging and fun that it.
Yes, it's challenging and fun, as I already said. You really are
an idiot.
2. Home/personal defense. Here's a scenario for you - you're home asleep at
3:00AM, and are awoken by a noise. Turns out it's a couple of thugs breaking
into your house to steal your property and/or rape/kill your wife and teenage
daughter. They're crazed out on drugs and have no fear, and either have guns
or some other weapon of deadly force like a club or knife. They come at you
with clear intentions to kill you. What are you gonna do? Call the police?
Yell and scream for help? What will either of those actions get you?
That's right...... dead.
Oh - a hypothetical situation. I would cast my magic spell and
send them to the nearest police station.
See above regarding "idiot".
The likelihood of your above scenario is so slim as to not
warrant mention. Remember - I DO NOT live in USA. Life is not
ruled by firearms here.
Life is not ruled by firearms here, either.
For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome
will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
You live in fear of being attacked by armed intruders?
No, absolutely not. But it's nice to know that I'm not at their
mercy if something does happen.
How can any sane person argue that that is not a valid need/use for a
gun? Are you willing to give up your life, or your family's lives,
because you don't "feel a need" to have a gun?
I see the risk of that happening as so slim that I can honestly
say "I do not feel the need to possess a firearm to defend myself
from armed attackers".
I guess you don't value your family's lives as much as I do.
<shrug>
It would appear that a very large percentage of Australian
residents see it the same way.
Wikipedia tells us:
Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country:
1 United States 120.5
[..]
51 Australia 14.5
..<YAWN>...
I can see why you're so terrified. Have you thought of migrating
to Australia... or maybe
Not terrified at all. Prepared.
I've visited Australia several times. Nice but not where I'd want
to live.
.. Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
andI would need to know what I was fighting for, not just accept some
proposition with no evidence what so ever.
Being overly cynical.. Questioning nearly everything and finding fault
even twisting meanings to fit your negative analogies.
takeTrue, USA does not have the monopoly on religious nutters but it sure
does have more than its equal share.
I would not consider myself to be a religious nutter, I enjoy life and
pride in my countries achievements and accomplishments, as well as myown.
I am from the cast of a different measure, I find light from what othersview
as darkness.
2. Home/personal defense.
Not a valid reason for a firearms licence in Australia.
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
not.2. Home/personal defense.
Not a valid reason for a firearms licence in Australia.
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
Yes, and I understand why. Shooter licensing is a good thing, BTW. Excessive government legislation, administration and fee scheduling is
I hope you're a NRA member, If not, join today.
On 05-18-19 22:12, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to David Drummond about Muslim Kids <=-
help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
On 05-19-19 09:04, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Paul Quinn about Re: Muslim Kids <=-
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
No guns -- no gun shot killings. The only purpose of a handgun is to
kill people. It's as easy as that.
How 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and kill people that way ... by speeding ...
The thing is the weapons industry in the USA is a multi-billion dollar business ... too much money involved ,,, protected by a constitutional amendment which was created with a totaly different thing in mind...
.. to kill more British people.
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)
Well, since they are now a Chinese product ...
Well, since they are now a Chinese product ...
Sorry to disappoint you, but most Volvo cars are still manufactured at
the Torslanda factory, some 5km from my home.
BTW, I hope you haven't missed that the Chinese cooperation has
resulted in all Volvo cars after 2022 will be electric? Hybrid as well as all electric.
Suck on that Mercedes, good German antiquated and heavily overpriced design, and all your Belgian customer suckers! 8-)
Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-
help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.
Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem
to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
The big problems in mainland Europe being the effort to keep electric
cars fueled. The electricity grid is already under continuous pressure
and simply is unable to cater for 298.9 million cars in the EU.
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)
Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog
of a Mercedes... Good German design.
BTW, I hope you haven't missed that the Chinese cooperation has resulted in all Volvo cars after 2022 will be electric? Hybrid as well
as all electric.
Suck on that Mercedes, good German antiquated and heavily
overpriced design, and all your Belgian customer suckers! 8-)
Well, since they are now a Chinese product ...
Sorry to correct you but there is not an unsignificant Volvo plant in
Gent (Belgium),
Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P
Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P
Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P
Hi! Dan,Excessive
On 05/20/2019 12:04 AM, Dan Clough -> Paul Quinnyou wrote:
2. Home/personal defense.
Not a valid reason for a firearms licence in Australia.
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
Yes, and I understand why. Shooter licensing is a good thing, BTW.
government legislation, administration and fee scheduling is not.
I hope you're a NRA member, If not, join today.
and inI see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
I just love Montana ...
killHow 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and
week andpeople that way ... by speeding ...
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
twice on Sundays. 8-)
I just love Montana ...
It's too COLD up there. Shucks, it's too cold HERE, and Montana is a couple of hundred miles farther north
help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right......
dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property
safe.
I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as opposed
to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun and plays with
it.
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
How 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and kill
people that way ... by speeding ...
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the week and twice on Sundays. 8-)
I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.
Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the week and
twice on Sundays. 8-)
I've noticed a large number of Volvo semi tractors on the highways around here. Used to be they were all Freightliners, Peterbilts and Internationals
right......help? What will either of those actions get you? That's
nightstand,dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my
propertythe outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and
safe.
I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as opposed
to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun and plays with
it.
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
In January 1981 I was on a job in Miami. We were supposed to stay in
a hotel there, but our agent relocated us to Ft. Lauderdale for safety reasons.
There seemed to be too many happy gun owners running rampant all over Miami. That sure didn't make them safe...
No guns -- no gun shot killings. The only purpose of a handgun is to kill people. It's as easy as that.
And yet you submit to your belief...
Believing in something enough to fight and die for it, is worth
fighting for.
I would need to know what I was fighting for, not just accept some proposition with no evidence what so ever.
doesThis is not a indigenous belief to Americans, far from it.
True, USA does not have the monopoly on religious nutters but it sure
have more than its equal share.
andThere are other uses for guns. Here are a couple:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging
fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging and fun that it.
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)
Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog
of a Mercedes... Good German design.
Yes, with a modern Renault engine. :P
Ward Volvo and BMW are the state of the art of Cars! Mercedes is runningon
the sunset lane, poor overall quality and mediocre engines are qualifying modern mercedes products.
I own two BMW's a 1983 320i E30 and a 1998 320i E46 and I'd like to ownalso
a great Volvo 240 Polar Station Wagon. Obviusly I don't like modern cars. ;)
David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.
Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".
How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
break in?
On 05-20-19 07:55, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.
Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".
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On 05-20-19 07:57, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem
to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
I don't believe that is true. Perhaps in the few almost-communist
states like Kalifornia, NY, NJ, IL, MD, etc you need a license to purchase, but not in nearly all other states.
You may be confusing the requirements to get a "concealed carry"
permit, which does require a license, safety course, etc (in most
but not all states).
Well, when cooking I never waste such an extraordinary product as
Extra Virgin Olive Oil. I only use butter and/or Rape Seed oil for cooking.
The only time I use my valuable Extra Virgin Oil is when dripping
it onto a salad, pasta, pizza, making mayonnaise or something similar. Heating it in a frying pan reduces it to Ordinary Olive Oil.
In my previous comment I mentioned a few of my uses of this[...]
wonderful product that nature has given us.
I deliberately left out the most important use of mine.
If you really want to give your loved one the erotic experience of
his or her life, I suggest that you take a small bottle of Extra
Virgin Olive Oil (it surely doesn't have to be Italian) into your
bedroom and surprise her.
Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin
Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P
I use olive oil to fight ants.
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem
to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
I don't believe that is true. Perhaps in the few almost-communist
states like Kalifornia, NY, NJ, IL, MD, etc you need a license to purchase, but not in nearly all other states.
You left out CT, DC, HI, IO, MA, MN, NB, NC, and RI from your
list of states where one needs a permit to purchase a handgun.
That makes 14 and so I will amend my statement from most to many.
There are other states where one does not need a permit to
purchase, but must register. Even Florida requires a 3 day
waiting period for a records check.
Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery powered or
on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and shut-off the
power first, is the safe still safe? Can it still be opened?
Just curious.
Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd
live in Montana, I'd have one.
I've had one break-in attempt many years ago, young kids (like in
their 20s) trying to get in via the garage. Now I still have my grandfather's WW1 bayonet sheathed. These were not small things
but long heavy things, like a small sword. Slammed-on the lights,
stood there, unsheathed the bayonet/sword in plain sight and I
swear I've never seen anyone run as fast as these kids to the
get-away car.
Ever since, I also have baseball bats at strategic locations, out
of sight, but where I know they are.
Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin OliveOil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P
In my previous comment I mentioned a few of my uses of this wonderful product that nature has given us.
I deliberately left out the most important use of mine.
And here I suggest that all the prudish US readers skip to the nextmessage,
because this is about sex, something that you obviously does not want to read or hear about -- unless it involves a lot of violence.
My wife and I first came in contact with the use of EVOO in our bedroomsome
30 years ago. After that first encounter, she always kept a small bottleof
EVOO handy in our bedroom.
Many seriously erotic encounters later I still remember every one ofthem. I
remember the massage I gave her with the EVOO, I remember the poignant taste of her salty sweat in combination with the fantastic olive oil. All over her body.
And I still miss her like hell, more than three years after her untimely demise... :(
If you really want to give your loved one the erotic experience of his or her life, I suggest that you take a small bottle of Extra Virgin OliveOil
(it surely doesn't have to be Italian) into your bedroom and surpriseher.
Re: Muslim Kids
By: David Drummond to Gregory Deyss on Thu May 16 2019 10:50 am
For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
As opposed to the uberlords of USA's plan for the world and its people? The USAmericans even seem to think they are "the chosen people" living
in "the greatest nation on earth".
On 19/05/2019 13:12, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging
and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging
and fun that it.
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do.
How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
break in?
Are you thinking of trying? ;-)
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
As opposed to the uberlords of USA's plan for the world and its people?
The USAmericans even seem to think they are "the chosen people" living
in "the greatest nation on earth".
We do kind of act like we rule the whole world, don't we? :(
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging
and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging
and fun that it.
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)
Your argument though, is a little silly and not going to change viewscloser
to yours. :)
David Drummond wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do.
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?
ernie wrote to David Drummond <=-
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging
and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging
and fun that it.
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control.
(No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to
kill lots of people.)
ernie wrote to Dan Clough <=-
For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.
Hi Dan, I have a question. I have no issues with your reasoning.
I fully understand you wanting/needing to protect your
family/etc. (and even the sporting aspect.)
I'm curious as to why this scenario always ends up with 'dead
thugs' or some such.
Why isn't the goal ever to incapacitate the 'thugs' to ensure
they go through the system, receive punishment for their crimes
and suffer in prison? (Hell, depending on what they've done, I'm
OK with them living their life in solitary so they never get to
interact with another human again.)
Is murdering an individual because they entered your house really justification for murder?
(Do I really have the right to decide whether someone else's life
has no value and can terminate it without going through the
judicial process?)
(I do understand that there may be situations where you injure
them and they continue to attempt to attack, which very well may
be justification.)
David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-
How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
break in?
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....
On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:
[...]
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling women
what they can do with THEIR bodies?
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should andshouldn't do.
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?
Yes, it is. Here's why:
Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....
Nope. The house alarm systems and the dogs would alert me LONG
before anyone made it into the bedroom.
in myTo hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling women
what they can do with THEIR bodies?
You think of your self as snarky and snappy, attempting to toss this back
lap, such as you have. Remember, I live in New York, where the Democratsknow
not, right from wrong.
The Truth is that there are people from both sides ofcall
the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to
this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your failure.
I know where I stand on the issue and that is all that matters to me andthe
people that I choose to associate with. They believe as I do.
I guess it is true what they say, Great minds think alike.
Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in dangerof
the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a child to full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable beforeit's
murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also inconceivability evil.
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control.
Why? Has it been proven to work? Like in Chicago?
On 05-21-19 08:50, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dan Clough about Re: Guns <=-
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery
powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and
shut-off the power first, is the safe still safe? Can it
still be opened?
Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult children dropping
in unannounced because of a bad break up with their girlfriend/wife/husband?
Fabio Bizzi wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)
Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog
of a Mercedes... Good German design.
Yes, with a modern Renault engine. :P
Dale Shipp wrote to Ward Dossche <=-
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery
powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and
shut-off the power first, is the safe still safe? Can it
still be opened?
Good question, I look forward to seeing the answer.
Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?
Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion.
toThe Truth is that there are people from both sides of
the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt
failthis a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your
Anti-abortion is a conservative outlook, regardless of which political persuasion one is aligned to
A foetus cannot be murdered - unless they make abortion illegal. If itIt's much more complicated then that?
is legal it is not murder.
Why is it acceptable to kill someone entering a home uninvited, but not for a woman who has an unwanted conception?
Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd live in Montana, I'd have one.
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....
I had a 2001 V70 wagon, the plain old model - and loved it. I
still want to get a 2004 XC70 if I can find a well-maintained one
- that was the last purely Volvo (designed and built by Volvo) if
memory serves. I think the next year was the year they came out
with that Ford Taurus world platform.
On 22 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...
On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in
danger of the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a child
to full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also inconceivability evil.
Bob,
I just love Montana ...
It's too COLD up there. Shucks, it's too cold HERE, and Montana is a couple of hundred miles farther north
Montana in winter gorgeous ... also no Californians.
and inI see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute RIGHT to do so.
In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do. Andrew Cuomo one of many stupid remarks....
"you don't need 10 shots to shoot a deer."
He thinks of himself to much and must of been rather proud of himselffar as
when he made this self-proculamation on guns in New York.
What is allowed and not allowed. He can jump off the highest bridge as
I am concerned. Maybe the new one called Mario M. Cuomo bridge that henamed
from his daddy at the tax payers expense.
As far I am concerned these Gun Rights are Federal Rights, that can not be taken away by any state.
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On 18 May 2019, Dan Clough said the following...safe.
Re: Muslim Kids
By: David Drummond to Gregory Deyss on Thu May 16 2019 10:50 am
For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property
Hi Dan, I have a question. I have no issues with your reasoning. I fully understand you wanting/needing to protect your family/etc. (and even the sporting aspect.)through
I'm curious as to why this scenario always ends up with 'dead thugs' or
some such.
Why isn't the goal ever to incapacitate the 'thugs' to ensure they go
the system, receive punishment for their crimes and suffer in prison?
depending on what they've done, I'm OK with them living their life in solitary so they never get to interact with another human again.)
Is murdering an individual because they entered your house really justification for murder?
(Do I really have the right to decide whether someone else's life hasno value
and can terminate it without going through the judicial process?)
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On 19 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...
On 19/05/2019 13:12, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:
1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging and fun that it.
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)
Your argument though, is a little silly and not going to change viewscloser
to yours. :)
shouldn't do.David Drummond wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?
Yes, it is. Here's why:
Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?
ernie wrote to David Drummond <=-
> DC> 1. Sport/target shooting. Challenging and fun.
Shooting at innocent chunks of clay hurled into the air is challenging and fun? How about you are the chunks of clay and see how challenging and fun that it.
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control.
Why? Has it been proven to work? Like in Chicago?
(No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to
kill lots of people.)
Well, that's your opinion, anyway. Pretty hard to define "need"
sometimes. Quite easy to define a Constitutional right, though.
By the way, AR-15's are not used in war. By anybody.
I had a 2001 V70 wagon, the plain old model - and loved it.
I still
want to get a 2004 XC70 if I can find a well-maintained one - that was
the last purely Volvo (designed and built by Volvo) if memory serves.
I think the next year was the year they came out with that Ford Taurus world platform.
BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-
To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and
shouldn't do.
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?
Yes, it is. Here's why:
Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion
BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-
(No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to
kill lots of people.)
Well, that's your opinion, anyway. Pretty hard to define "need"
sometimes. Quite easy to define a Constitutional right, though.
By the way, AR-15's are not used in war. By anybody.
Ah, but they were. I carried one (but didn't fire it) when I was
at Da Nang in 1965
Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?
Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.
Do you always speak in the third party? Why hide behind Ward if
you have a question for me?
Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion.
It's more about choices and morality, rather than right or wrong.
People do things knowing in advance that they are wrong, but they do them anyway.
The Truth is that there are people from both sides of
the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to
this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your fail
Anti-abortion is a conservative outlook, regardless of which political
persuasion one is aligned to
It's more about pro-life vs pro-choice. and less about being
Conservative vs being Liberal. To have what your saying make any sense it would have to mean that liberals do not love their children and that is simply NOT true.
A foetus cannot be murdered - unless they make abortion illegal. If it
is legal it is not murder.
It's much more complicated then that?
What is a fetus?
When does life begin?
Is it a fetus still when born at the end of a full term pregnancy.
At what point does it become immoral?
Why is it acceptable to kill someone entering a home uninvited, but not
for a woman who has an unwanted conception?
Choices leads to intent which leads the criminal act which leads to judgment and then punishment.
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....
that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry...
yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even
mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...
Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd live in
Montana, I'd have one.
i was wishing i had my rifle the other day... i removed it from the premises when a convicted felon (son) was staying here for a few
months... glad that's over... but i was wishing for my rifle the other
day when a pack of coyotes came through and decimated my chickens...
they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...
to full term delivering the child normally then making the child
comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also
inconceivability evil.
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an AR-15
unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)
You don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide what YOU need, though.
Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?
Yes, it is. Here's why:
Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion..."
ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on their religion
they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of
food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...
There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon though).
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....
that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where
the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think
dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their
entry... yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily
handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we
won't even mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they
are before they get too far in...
If one was breaking into a residence bearing arms,
and suspecting that the occupants may also be arms,
surely one would lead with one's weapon?
I guess if there is an alarm system then the resident may well be wide awake and alert...
I don't really know - the whole concept is just so alien to me....
they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources
of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...
There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon
though).
Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?
At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes,
wolves and stray dogs running around here.
The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.
The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....
that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has
the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry...
yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even
mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion
Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.
Adoption is always a better option.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
On 21 May 2019, Gregory Deyss said the following...chil
On 22 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...
On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in danger of the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a
alto full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is
inconceivability evil.
I don't think anyone on either side of the conversation has EVER
suggested carrying a child to full term, deliver normally and then
murder it. I'm not aware of any proposed legislation for such a thing.
Mr. Trump has described some current abortion legislation as above, but
I would hope people are smart enough to realize, his statement is just
not true.
Henri Derksen wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.
So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very
poor. As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of
that baby/child. Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get
her abortion.
If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.
Adoption is always a better option.
So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy?
A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
such a pregnancy at that age.
Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this
point, so mind your own business.
If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion
Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.
Adoption is always a better option.
they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of
food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...
There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon
though).
Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?
At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes, wolves and stray dogs running around here.
On 05-22-19 11:06, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult children dropping
in unannounced because of a bad break up with their girlfriend/wife/husband?
Ask Pistorius.
On 05-22-19 08:21, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-
'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery
powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and
shut-off the power first, is the safe still safe? Can it
still be opened?
Good question, I look forward to seeing the answer.
It was answered a couple of days ago.
Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?
Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.
Do you always speak in the third party? Why hide behind Ward if
you have a question for me?
On 05-23-19 08:46, David Drummond <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Guns <=-
Can anyone quote for me the part of the US constitution
that legalises deadly force in the protection of one's
homes/teen aged daughter?
thing...Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well,
without the need for any guns, no?
no... it is not possible to fence over creeks and streams, for one
David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion
Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.
So... it's always the female's fault? The bloke has never coerced
her into opening her legs?
Adoption is always a better option.
Yeah - sure.
Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?
Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.
I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
of noise until you came to investigate?
Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well,
without the need for any guns, no?
no... it is not possible to fence over creeks and streams, for one
thing...
How many chicken do you have?
Do you really need to fence in creeks and streams?
if this property is going to be fenced in as you suggested, yes...
if this property is going to be fenced in as you suggested, yes...
But I didn't.
they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources
of
food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...
There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon though).
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?
"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion
Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is
irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.
So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very poor.
As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of thatbaby/child.
Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get her abortion.
If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.
The world can not produce enough food for every human being.
So producing unlimited baby's is a very stupid thing.
It will give too much pain to everyone concerned in that area,
because many childs will die, because of too less amount of food,
and that is very bad for the menthal health of the parents.
Adoption is always a better option.
So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here pregnancy?
A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too much.
Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill such a pregnancyat
that age.
Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this point,
so mind your own business.
In nature abortion happens too.her.
You know a female shark produces eggs to feed the baby shark growing in
You call that abortion too, as in your eyes every egg should grow up.grown
So than immediately stop eating eggs from chicken, they should all be
up.
Even the most part of your own seed is not growing up, what a waste.
But in nature that is not waste, but food for others.
... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
Ofcourse not.
If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).
if this property is going to be fenced in as you suggested, yes...
But I didn't. You were talking about your chicken, remember.
Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.
Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.
I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
of noise until you came to investigate?
Apparently you're as stupid as Drummond. Stop wasting my time.
the chickens have a coop they go in at
night and sadly, they apparently ran to the coop when this attack took place... that's where many of them were caught because that's where most of the discovered feathers were found...
But I didn't. You were talking about your chicken, remember.
Russians are working on a solution by domesticating silver foxes. Presumably, after a few hundred generations, silver foxes will no
longer have a taste for fresh chicken and fences will no longer
be necessary to keep the chickens couped up.
This was published in the April 2019 edition of Popular Mechanics magazine.
So please. Do not claim I am making this stuff up.
No, I'm not going to pay for that. The family of the mother can
pay for that.
If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.
It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).
Adoption is always a better option.
So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy?
No, I don't. I would make exceptions for rape/incest pregnancies.
So..... if I'm not responsible (what you said right there above),
why should I have to pay for anything related to this?
If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).
You're free to do whatever you like regarding that.
Do you actually think I care if you ignore me?
... Post may contain information unsuitable for overly sensitive
persons.
It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).
If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has to
pay back afterwards.
[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child.
The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.
The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]
Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.
With all of the firearms in your area the likelihood is that you will proceed me.
Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do notmention)
made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...
He is no longer with us.
Thank you for your participation.
Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.
I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
of noise until you came to investigate?
Apparently you're as stupid as Drummond. Stop wasting my time.
ROFL - Anyone who does not see eye to eye with Dan Clough is obviously stupid.
Are you related to the Orange Man?
But I didn't. You were talking about your chicken, remember.
Russians are working on a solution by domesticating silver foxes.
Presumably, after a few hundred generations, silver foxes will no
longer have a taste for fresh chicken and fences will no longer
be necessary to keep the chickens couped up.
What about the feral/non-domesticated silver foxes?
This was published in the April 2019 edition of Popular Mechanics
magazine.
It must be true then....
AussieSo please. Do not claim I am making this stuff up.
I saw silver foxes in Patagonia when I visited there. There were rather large animals compared with the red foxes we have in Australia. The
fox is still large enough to take a chook.
My niece (and her husband) have lost many fowl to foxes -
she is about 400km from here so I'm not sure that I have such a fox population.
I thought I heard one crying from across the valley one evening but maybe not...
Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not mention)
made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...
I remember him.
He is no longer with us.
He'll be back.
Thank you for your participation.
He is still on the nodelist ...
What about the feral/non-domesticated silver foxes?
Once domesticated, always domesticated.
My niece (and her husband) have lost many fowl to foxes -
What color foxes were they? This is important, as only silver
foxes are known to have been domesticated ...
I thought I heard one crying from across the valley one evening but maybe
not...
Better make sure to lock your doors at night. Otherwise you
might get invaded by whatever color of foxes inhabitats Oz.
Are you related to the Orange Man?
Name a word that rhymes with orange.
Can't do it?
Nobody else can, either.
That means there can be only one.
The world is so lucky. :)
The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy,
before most women even know that they're pregnant.
The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]
Ah - they joys of "freedom".
BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-
(No one really needs an AR-15 unless you're in a war trying to
kill lots of people.)
Well, that's your opinion, anyway. Pretty hard to define "need" sometimes. Quite easy to define a Constitutional right, though.
By the way, AR-15's are not used in war. By anybody.
Ah, but they were. I carried one (but didn't fire it) when I was
at Da Nang in 1965
No, you didn't. Your memory is getting fuzzy.
You carried either an M-14 or an M-16.
An AR-15 is *NOT* a military weapon, and never has been. It also
is *NOT* the same thing as an M14/M16. I would hope that you know
the differences, and I'm wondering why you apparently do not.
On 23/05/2019 06:53, BOB ACKLEY -> ERNIE wrote:AR-15
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an
what YOUunless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)
You don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide
need, though.
Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or not?
mention)Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not
made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...
I remember him.
He is no longer with us.
He'll be back.
Thank you for your participation.
He is still on the nodelist ...
But just a lurker nowadays....
OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an AR-15
unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)
You don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide what YOU
need, though.
Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or not?
No he doesn't, SHE does
Björn Felten wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-
I think the next year was the year they came out with that Ford Taurus world platform.
Of that I've never heard. Volvo never used any Ford technology. On
the contrary, Ford copied the Volvo platform and tried to make Ford
cars that would match the well known Volvo reputation. And failed miserably.
Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or
not?
No he doesn't, SHE does
Not according to the supporters of the Alabama legislation.
It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).
If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or the HD>> adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay the
abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has to
pay back afterwards.
boy???
[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry
and deliver their rapist's child.
The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.
The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]
If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or
the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay
the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has
to pay back afterwards.
boy???
Yes, the one who made her pregnant.
[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims
like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to
carry and deliver their rapist's child.
The safety of the mother weights more than the unborn feutus.
removed.The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before
most women even know that they're pregnant.
If I was that girl, then I would try everything to get that foetus
The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]
Never heard about the "morning after pill"
And second it was not her fault in that kind of cases.
If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or HD>>>> the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay
the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has HD>>>> to pay back afterwards.
boy???
Yes, the one who made her pregnant.
i think you missed my point... the rapist is/was 26 years old...
that's not a "boy" by any standard ;) is he a male? sure... is he a man? that's questionable...
i know this... i'm on the side of the females... it is their body and no one else has any say in what they do with it, period...
Never heard about the "morning after pill"
i only quoted the article... i have heard of that medicine but i rather doubt that an 11 years old girl has... in this day in time, that may be
an erroneous doubt, though...
And second it was not her fault in that kind of cases.
of course...
AR-15OK, let me start with I'm for gun control. (No one really needs an
unless you're in a war trying to kill lots of people.)
what YOUYou don't get to decide what anybody else needs, you can decide
need, though.
not?Yet he/whomever DOES get to decide if a woman "needs" an abortion or
No he doesn't, SHE does
Not according to the supporters of the Alabama legislation.
i think you missed my point... the rapist is/was 26 years old...
That was in your story AFTER I mentioned mine version, not before. So
your guy was a man, mine could be a boy, both males indeed.
Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.
Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.
Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed to a child she did not willingly produce.
So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.
Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.
pregnancy at ??that age.Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill such HD>>>a
Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman
should at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In
this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to
kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows
that having sex may cause pregnancy.
Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required
part of that pregnancy?
It is women, not men who abort babies.
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.
So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.
Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?
In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill".
I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
may cause pregnancy.
kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows
that having sex may cause pregnancy.
Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required
part of that pregnancy?
It is women, not men who abort babies.
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.
On 06-02-19 00:23, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Alexander Koryagin about Re: Guns. <=-
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.
Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be
committed to a child she did not willingly produce.
So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.
Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?
So you think it is her fault, that she is raped or got incest?
In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill".
She got pregnant against her will !
school.I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
may cause pregnancy.
First: Many girls in poor countries do not get sexual education at
So they even do not know how live works, and got pregnant before they realise that, after missing one or two monthly periods.
Second: Rape or incest is not sex at free will for the girl/woman.
She could not prevent that unwanted conception against a strong man.
Third: In case of rape or incest, the man should be punished,
not the girl/woman.
In nature there is also abortion bacause of a bad health,
you can not always prevent that, sometimes unluckily.
Would you bring a woman to court if she got a natural unforced abortion?
Sorry but it is her body, and not any man has the right to tell her whatto
do or not, period.
Hopefully no women got pregnant against their will by you.
Good luck.
carriedIt is women, not men who abort babies.
I wonder haw hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that
the foetus...
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by ak>a DNA test.
Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?
It is women, not men who abort babies.
I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
the foetus...
Do you? Do you really?
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a > DNA test.
Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?
If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?
Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed
to a child she did not willingly produce.
You better say, she wants to produce a dead child instead of a living
one. She probably thinks that child's live belongs to her.
It is women, not men who abort babies.
carriedI wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that
the foetus...
Do you? Do you really?
Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night worrying.
PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a > DNA test.
Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?
If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?
Indeed.
I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
the foetus...
Do you? Do you really?
Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at nightworrying.
Well, with three Chinese warships in Sydney harbor ... with hundreds
of horny Chinese sailors on board ...
If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?
Indeed.
Just imagine the bondings those Aussie gals could make with those
dashing young men from China ...
Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You
take a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in future all women will do this procedure.
Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You take
a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in future all women will do this procedure.
"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting catalogue of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world
being flat.
"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interestingcatalogue
of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world DD>WD> being flat.
Are you suggesting that it is not????
IMHO, the main feature of a Cesarean section is that everything is under full control during the operation. Actually, this operation a nice candidate for future robotic operations.
But there is statistics that speaks of steady increasing of the number
such operations. The main reason - a woman can choose it by herself.
"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting catalogue
of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world
being flat.
Are you suggesting that it is not????
Of course it is not. We're living on the back of a turtle.
of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the DD>WD>>> world being flat.
Are you suggesting that it is not????
Of course it is not. We're living on the back of a turtle.
The "Great Flat Backed Turtle"?
"In Brazil, there's a belief that normal childbirth is something the
poor do"
Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed to a childshe
did not willingly produce.
I would have to agree. As a rule I am against abortion except in cases
I do think though that unborn children should not be punished simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.
"In Brazil, there's a belief that normal childbirth is something the
poor do"
Believing is something you do in a church. People 'believe' because of a 'lack of facts'.
On Saturday June 01 2019 17:11, you wrote to Ward Dossche:
I would have to agree. As a rule I am against abortion except in cases
Then by all means refrain from having an abortion except in those cases.
But do not tell others that they should not have an abortion either.
I do think though that unborn children should not be punished simply
because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.
You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.
I do think though that unborn children should not be punished
simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.
You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.
There is a difference between expressing an opinion or belief and
forcing that opinion on others.
I wasn't aware that I suggested or expected anyone else to agree or
abide by my opinion or belief.
On Thursday June 06 2019 08:46, you wrote to me:
Contrary to opinons, beliefs are often based on religion and religious
believers usually have an urge to "convert" non believers. In the past not onl
by word, but also by the sword. Nowadays what we see now in the US is that
instead of the sword, the law is used to impose beliefs on others. Many states
are adopting laws that make abortion almost impossible. By democratically elected lawmakers...
If I used too wide a brush and you are not in that categorie, I apologize.
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