Since the old echomail archive site now down after a long run, is the data still available and is there any interest in keeping it going?

If so, let me know and I will attempt to bring it online (with the help of the previous owner if possible).

Let me know.

Thank you

Dale


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Hello Dale,

On Sunday October 20 2019 13:20, you wrote to all:

Since the old echomail archive site now down after a long run, is the
data still available and is there any interest in keeping it going?

If so, let me know and I will attempt to bring it online (with the
help of the previous owner if possible).

I can only repeat what I said a couple of month ago. I always had mixed feelings about Ozzmosis. One of the pros of Fidonet is thet it is NOT the InterNet. I want what I write in Fidonet to stay in Fidonet, not readable by anyone and indexable by Google and other search engines.

So please let it rest in peace.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi Michiel,

On 2019-10-24 13:13:56, you wrote to Dale Barnes:

Since the old echomail archive site now down after a long run, is the
data still available and is there any interest in keeping it going?

If so, let me know and I will attempt to bring it online (with the
help of the previous owner if possible).

MvdV> I can only repeat what I said a couple of month ago. I always had mixed
MvdV> feelings about Ozzmosis. One of the pros of Fidonet is thet it is NOT the
MvdV> InterNet. I want what I write in Fidonet to stay in Fidonet, not readable
MvdV> by anyone and indexable by Google and other search engines.

MvdV> So please let it rest in peace.

Although sometimes it was convenient to be able to use ozzmosis in the past, I agree with your statement!

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Michiel!

On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 13:13 +0200, you wrote to Dale Barnes:

One of the pros of Fidonet is thet it is NOT the InterNet. I want what
I write in Fidonet to stay in Fidonet, not readable by anyone and indexable by Google and other search engines.

Obviously this is impossible. I'm sorry to disappoint you. Took me less than a minute to find your message on the internets:

http://91.204.178.99/cgi-bin/msg.cgi?AREA=fidonews&msgid=14801


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Hello Dale,

On Sunday October 20 2019 13:20, you wrote to all:

Since the old echomail archive site now down after a long run, is the
data still available and is there any interest in keeping it going?

If so, let me know and I will attempt to bring it online (with the
help of the previous owner if possible).

I can only repeat what I said a couple of month ago. I
always had mixed feelings about Ozzmosis. One of the pros
of Fidonet is thet it is NOT the InterNet. I want what I
write in Fidonet to stay in Fidonet, not readable by anyone
and indexable by Google and other search engines.

So please let it rest in peace.

I am fine with it, I have enough to do this days...

Cheers, Michiel

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--- InterEcho 1.20
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Hello Wilfred!

** 24.10.19 - 13:45, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

I can only repeat what I said a couple of month ago. I always had mixed feelings about Ozzmosis. One of the pros of Fidonet is thet
it is NOT the InterNet. I want what I write in Fidonet to stay in Fidonet, not readable by anyone and indexable by Google and other search engines.

So please let it rest in peace.

Not to worry. The search engines are not that thorough. You can't use
them to find any one specific message 100% of the time anyway.

But as far as displaying FTN messages on websites, that's pretty cool!

Sychronet allows a webbased presentation.

A few sample systems:

http://freeway.vkradio.com/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=Fidonet http://bbs.tdod.org/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=Fidonet http://sectiononebbs.com/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=Fidonet http://sestar.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=Fidonet

I see this as progress and a great way to provide a glimpse of Fidonet to
the masses.

Although sometimes it was convenient to be able to use ozzmosis in
the past, I agree with your statement!

All of the webbased presentations, including ozzmosis, lack one key
element: Search. Without it, a bit more manual labour is required to step through the messages to find anything. The convenience was limited.

Maybe Sychronet's web login account provides a S)earch, but someone
running the server can elaborate.


../|ug

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On 10-26-19 22:14, August Abolins <=-
spoke to Wilfred Van Velzen about echomail archive <=-

I see this as progress and a great way to provide a glimpse of Fidonet
to the masses.

I agree. Web based access to a BBS is *not* the same as internet
usenet.

Although sometimes it was convenient to be able to use ozzmosis in
the past, I agree with your statement!

All of the webbased presentations, including ozzmosis, lack one key element: Search. Without it, a bit more manual labour is required to
step through the messages to find anything. The convenience was limited.

Ozzmosis did not have a search. Other web based sites do. I often use
Doc's Place (bbs.fisosysop.org) to check on messages. It has a search function. One can search based on (partial) from/to/subject/ or body, including combinations of those fields. OTOH, the message base does not
go back anywhere as far as ozzmosis did. A quick test tells me that he
has about three years of this echo.

Of course, I believe that you have to be a member of his BBS to use that
search method.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)



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On Oct 27, 2019 03:37am, Dale Shipp wrote to August Abolins:

Ozzmosis did not have a search. Other web based sites do. I often use Doc's Place (bbs.fisosysop.org) to check on messages. It has a search function. One can search based on (partial) from/to/subject/ or body, including combinations of those fields. OTOH, the message base does not go back anywhere as far as ozzmosis did. A quick test tells me that he has about three years of this echo.

If you log into any Wildcat BBS running the latest version you will get a better layout and search functions, more user friendly interface.

My system is fairly new so not much history but there are others that are.

Try https://tfb-bbs.org to see, if you don't want to create an account you can log in with visitor and password guest.

Terry Roati - 3:640/1321 tfb-bbs.org

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Hello Dale!

** 24.10.19 - 16:59, Dale Barnes wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

Since the old echomail archive site now down after a long run, is the
data still available and is there any interest in keeping it going?

If so, let me know and I will attempt to bring it online (with the
help of the previous owner if possible).

I can only repeat what I said a couple of month ago. I
always had mixed feelings about Ozzmosis. One of the pros
of Fidonet is thet it is NOT the InterNet. I want what I
write in Fidonet to stay in Fidonet, not readable by anyone
and indexable by Google and other search engines.

So please let it rest in peace.

I am fine with it, I have enough to do this days...

This place shows some recent posts in select echos (FTSC_PUBLIC, HAM,
WIN95, LINUX, and a few others) ..but many have stopped archiving many
years prior:

http://www.fidonet.itu.se/echomail/

Useful for browsing for a few messages from the past. But the coverage is inconsistent. Many other echos are listed but inaccessible.

No Search feature. :(

The following link is a nice summary of FirstMessage Dated and LastMessage Dated per echo to save wasting time with hit-n-miss clicks:

http://www.fidonet.itu.se/echomail/cmd/info


Nevertheless, it's an interesting "way back machine" + "some recent posts" effort by: Michael Cronsten, Fidonet: 2:205/412

The display is sparse, but makes efficient use of screen space, no fancy
html filler for beauty, and a small font.


../|ug

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