Hello Ward,
Maybe we confirmed it personally with friends and family,
That's not enough. You must *prove* it.
Perhaps it is time to encourage the person who poses as Lee Lofaso to
apply
for a nodenumber.
Perhaps it is time for all sysops to encourage every participant
who does not yet own a nodenumber apply. They can start by inviting
everybody to play in their "sysops only" echoes - having the same
read/write rules to go by.
Freedom of speech is not without limits ...
What an antidemocratic and un-American thing for a sysop to write!
Words are very powerful. They can be violent. There are two
things no troll ever jokes about. Although they are free to do so.
Cops joke a lot about everything. Especially given their line of
work. However, there are two things they never joke about - child
molestors and cop killers. Now, we all know there are a few sysops
who are cops or retired cops in Fidonet.
We also know some of the jokes former sysop Ross Cassell liked
to tell. And how some sysops responded to those jokes.
Here is another joke Ross Cassell tried to pull - with a bit
of help from Bob Klahn, concerning our dearly departed friend
Roger Nelson -
Teller of Tall Tales
From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Thu Oct 22 16:19:14 2015
Hello Everybody,
A conversation was overheard between two clowns
in an obscure echo concerning another obscure echo -
Subject: BBBS ECHO
Date: Thu Oct 22 2015 02:22 am
From: BOB KLAHN
To: MARK LEWIS
There is a long story about Lee Lofaso and Bob Klahn
pulling a stunt in the coffee_klatsch echo many years ago.
It may date back to that. It may go back further than that.
I don't know. But it ended with Lee being disappointed and
unhappy.
He really knows nothing about it. The coffee-klatsch echo used
to be a very friendly discussion echo, focused mainly on having
fun and discussing anything that could be made fun of.
After a while participation dropped off, and eventually the echo
died and went unlisted. A couple years later Roger Nelson
revived the echo by using it, but didn't bother to relist it. I
suggested he should relist it several times, but he insisted
that was not necessary.
After a while Lee Lofaso tried to list the echo, but got
rejected because Nelson had relisted it just before he tried.
Some of the flamers on this echo have repeated the claim that
Lee had tried to hijack the echo, but it was not listed and the
new echolist was not out showing that Roger had listed it.
I had nothing to do with Lee listing the echo other than
recommending to Roger that he list the echo. Our fear was
flamers would get into the echo and take it over. Which some did
get in but Roger had listed it and let them know that he was the
moderator and it was a no flame echo. They left. Not one
remained.
However, the hostility the flamers stirred up, and their
repeated accusations, poisoned the prevously friendly
discussions in the echo, and a number of us left, including his
co-moderator, whose name I can't recall right now.
-=end quote=-
"After a while Lee Lofaso tried to list the echo, but got
rejected because Nelson had relisted it just before he tried."
The echo was not listed. I relisted the echo. Joe Bruchis
posted the entry publicly, for all to see, in the echo itself.
A week or so later I emailed the password to Roger Nelson so
that he could list the echo for himself. Roger then posted
that entry publicly, for all to see, in the echo itself.
Ross Cassell, in his capacity as fidonet administrator,
and chief censor, deleted my previous listing of the echo.
Bob Klahn and Ross Cassell are working as a team. Their
latest endeavor is to steal this echo. Basically by using
the same means of deceit.
Only I'm not playing.
What was a joke in the coffee klasch echo was accepted as
being a joke, and everybody moved on and had a great time
afterwards.
But some people do not know when to stop, or how to
differentiate between what is important and what is not
important.
"Some of the flamers on this echo have repeated the claim that
Lee had tried to hijack the echo, but it was not listed and the
new echolist was not out showing that Roger had listed it."
Had that been the case, then Joe Bruchis would not have
been able to have posted the entry in the coffee klatsch
echo.
Those with archives can check out these facts for themselves.
Those without archives will just have to take my word for it.
After all, Ross Cassell has deleted the post that Joe Bruchis
made showing my listing of the coffee klastsch echo as having
been successful.
"I had nothing to do with Lee listing the echo other than
recommending to Roger that he list the echo. Our fear was
flamers would get into the echo and take it over. Which
some did get in but Roger had listed it and let them know
that he was the moderator and it was a no flame echo. They
left. Not one remained."
I listed the echo in order to save it, else Roger would
have lost it forever to the forces of evil. Had Bob kept
his mouth shut, or at least used netmail/email rather
than go about making public comments, there would have
been no need for me to have listed the echo. But that's
okay. I saved it. For Roger, and for everyone.
"However, the hostility the flamers stirred up, and their
repeated accusations, poisoned the prevously friendly
discussions in the echo, and a number of us left, including
his co-moderator, whose name I can't recall right now."
Frank Vest shut down his bbs and most never bothered to
return to fidonet. There never was a co-moderator, but
there is one individual who remained once everybody had
left - Roy Witt.
--Lee
What gives Americans the right to unlimited free speech?
Article VI, Clause 2 of the Constitution. Not only does
the First Amendment favor unlimited free speech, it is also
part of the Constitution, which is clearly the ultimate
legal authority of the United States.
So there!
We all know what Ross Cassell wrote about Europeans.
Now you know the reason why!
However -
I will not say it... I will not say it... I will not say it...
--Lee
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