• Freedom of Speech

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Fri Jul 26 03:12:59 2019
    Hello Everybody,

    Lee is posting in an echo, and from a BBS, legally covered by
    Swedish law. In Sweden we still allow a lot of leniency regarding BF>>freedom of speech.

    But hi is off topic.

    We have nothing, yet, in Swedish law that limits the freedom of
    speech based on being on topic or not. I usually tell him when he's
    too far off limit, and he always respects my request. Good enough
    for me.

    Freedom of speech is a binary freedom, like every other freedom.
    Either you have it or you don't. As soon as you apply even a minor BF>restriction, that binary goes into NOT -- hey presto, you no longer
    have it at all.

    The same goes for every freedom you can think of. Either you
    have it or you don't. There is no middle way here, you only are BF>manipulated to think so...

    Reporters Without Borders, Rankings 2018, USA at 45

    Reporters Without Borders, Rankings 2019, USA at 48

    Reporters Without Borders, Rankings last ten years, Scandinavian
    countries Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark ranked in Top 5.

    --Lee

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    Change Is Cumming

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Mon Jun 7 23:57:49 2021
    In response to our dear editor, it is necessary to correct
    at least some of his many errors in regards to his concept of
    freedom of speech.

    EDITORIAL

    Although there is no signature, we all know who wrote it. So let
    us please dismiss the pleasantries and get on with the show -

    Freedom of Speech

    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    But what exactly constitutes protected speech? Is all speech
    protected? Or only the parts of speech the Congress approves of?
    And is such freedom limited only to speech?

    This subject seems to be more and more difficult to understand by some people for each year that passes. Not only in FidoNet but worse than
    that, all over the entire world.

    The Framers of the Constitution made this subject very clear and easy
    to understand. "Congress shall make no law ..."

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not. There is no middle way.

    That is why James Madison corrected them, by making a few additions.
    Starting with the First Amendment.

    Voltaire (Franthois-Marie Arouet) did not actually say it, it was
    Evelyn Beatrice Hall that interpreted his thoughts this way:

    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
    right to say it."

    James Madison had a better version.

    Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il-sung and all other
    dictators we know of were all in favour of Freedom of Speech. As long
    as that speech did not oppose to what they regarded as proper.

    Dear boy, freedom of speech does *not* include -

    * to incit actions that would harm others

    * to make or distribute obscene materials

    * to burn draft cards as an anti-war protest

    * to permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over
    the objections of the school administrator

    * of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event

    * of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event

    I could go on. And on. And on. Despite the number of football players
    taking a knee during the singing of the national anthem. Despite the
    antics of a president urging his followers to sack the capitol. Despite
    women refusing to sign up for a draft that does not exist. Or how many
    times the baby trump balloon is flown.

    Remember, "Congress shall make no law ..."

    I'm constantly reminded of what a bad person I am to allow this or
    that user to execute his Freedom of Speech in the FIDONEWS echo. "Ban him!" shouts the crowd. I.e. "No more Freedom of Speech here, unless
    we like it!"

    Yes. You are. And do you know why? I will give you one glaring example:
    "The Moderator shall make no law" is nowhere to be found in the rules.
    You know what that means. Especially since you said it yourself -

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not. There is no middle way.

    So. There you go. In your own words. A direct threat, to all, what
    happens if you disrupt the feathers of the Moderator of the Fidonews!
    Off with his head! Or her head, if such be the case! The Moderator
    of the Fidonews will *always* have the last word!

    Can't you really see what you are saying? Is it really that hard to
    press the Next key if you find someone opposing to what you regard as proper?

    Well, it's either the <N>ext key or expulsion from the Fidonews!
    So much for "freedom of speech" in this joint ...

    After all, nobody is forcing you to read anything. Neither in a
    FidoNet echo nor on Twitter, FaceBook, Fox News or wherever. Surely
    you have more important matters to be upset with, or even angry with,
    in your lives?

    Donald J. Trump got banned from Twitter. Donald J. Trump also got
    banned from Facebook. And God only knows how many other social media
    platforms. Not to mention his own social media platform, which also
    got banned, along with his desk.

    Once again:

    Freedom of Speech is, like all freedoms, binary. Either you have it
    or you do not.

    Once again -

    "Congress shall make no law ..."

    It is not just freedom of speech the First Amendment is all about.

    It's your choice, be sure to choose well. Once you've lost it, it
    can take ages to get it back, if ever.

    Who, or what, has the power to decide what constitutes protected
    speech? Are you saying, or suggesting, that only the Moderator of
    the Fidonews echo is The Decider? Come now, you can't be serious.

    The US Constitution, First Amendment, is very clear - "Congress
    shall make no law ..."

    I love anarchy.

    Tom Jennings thought he could control it.
    Yet somehow it got away from him.

    And now look what we have left.

    --Lee

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    You're fired, Donald!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Tue Jun 8 09:14:15 2021
    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    Knowing who the author is, it is very unlikely he would make references to US legal documents with dubious standing.

    That US constitution can be used, in a matter of speech, to prove that the sun did not rise this morning completely ignoring the fact that it is light. Per the US Constitution extra terrestrials already are among us ...

    \%/@rd
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jun 9 17:15:41 2021
    Hello Ward,

    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    Knowing who the author is, it is very unlikely he would make references to US legal documents with dubious standing.

    That US constitution can be used, in a matter of speech, to prove that the sun did not rise this morning completely ignoring the fact that it is light. Per the US Constitution extra terrestrials already are among us ...

    May the truth be told -

    https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/space-aliens-are-breeding-humans -university-instructor-says-scientists-say-ncna1008971


    Normally I would have used tiny url or some other url-shortening
    service. But I wanted to make sure whoever reads this knows I am not
    making anything up. After all, the professor has it all figured out,
    including all the details ...

    --Lee

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    Black lives matter!
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jun 11 16:22:34 2021
    On 8/06/2021 09:14, 2292/854 wrote:
    Perhaps the editor is referring to the First Amendment of the
    US Constitution, in which it says "Congress shall make no law ...
    abridging freedom of speech."

    Knowing who the author is, it is very unlikely he would make references
    to US legal documents with dubious standing.

    That US constitution can be used, in a matter of speech, to prove that
    the sun did not rise this morning completely ignoring the fact that it
    is light. Per the US Constitution extra terrestrials already are among
    us ...

    Regarding the "1st amendment", I wonder who passed the libel and slander legislation in the USA?

    --
    Regards
    David

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