• Climate change

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Thu Jul 25 23:11:11 2019
    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I wonder why...




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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Björn Felten on Thu Jul 25 18:30:29 2019
    Re: Climate change
    By: Bjrn Felten to All on Thu Jul 25 2019 23:11:11

    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I
    wonder why...

    they fell off the edge of the flat earth ;)

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Fri Jul 26 03:13:16 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I
    wonder
    why...

    Because most of Europe is burning up?

    Paris Sizzles, London Boils As Record Heat Threatens Europe

    Source: Associated Press

    PARIS (AP) -- Hot, hotter, hottest! Paris, London and points across
    Europe are bracing for record temperatures Thursday as the second heat
    wave this summer bakes the continent.

    Climate scientists warn this could become the new normal in many parts
    of the world. But temperate Europe -- where air conditioning is rare --
    isn't equipped for the temperatures frying the region this week.

    So tourists frolicked in fountains to seek relief and authorities and volunteers fanned out to help the elderly, sick and homeless hit
    hardest by the heat. Trains were canceled in Britain and France, and
    French authorities urged travelers to stay home.

    One by one, heat records are being broken across Europe. On Thursday,
    the Paris area could be as hot as 42 C (108 F) as a result of hot, dry
    air coming from northern Africa that's trapped between cold stormy
    systems. London might see 39 C (102 F). And swaths of Germany, Belgium,
    the Netherlands, Luxembourg and Switzerland could face temperatures
    exceeding 40 C (104 F)...



    Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/weather/paris-sizzles-london -boils-as-record-heat-threatens-europe/ar-AAEPZAr?ocid=HPCOMMDHP15


    Louisiana had some relief from Hurricane Barry last week, but that
    was only temporary as the scorching heat has returned here as well.
    Until the next storm comes this way ...

    --Lee

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Lee Lofaso on Fri Jul 26 12:32:43 2019
    Hi! Lee,

    On 26 Jul 19 03:13, you wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change
    deniers. I wonder why...

    Because most of Europe is burning up?

    I heard whispers of Manhatten being flooded but no confirmation. It must have been someone watching 'The Day After Tomorrow' with audio pmped too high. ;)

    Oh BTW. We're enjoying a Spring prelude period at present. 27degC the other day, just a month past the southern Winter solstice.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Fri Jul 26 18:51:00 2019
    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I wonder why...

    they fell off the edge of the flat earth ;)

    LOL! Nah, they're still very active, but silently to avoid detection.

    "In February 2019, I lost my job because I was a climate scientist in a climate-denying administration."

    http://tinyurl.com/y6gy2dor



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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/360 to Bj÷rn Felten on Sat Jul 27 11:53:44 2019
    Hi, Bjrn Felten : All!
    I read your message from 26.07.2019 00:11

    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I
    wonder why...

    It is a hot summer in some places, however
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    According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8 Celsius (1.4 Fahrenheit) since 1880.

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/world-of-change/DecadalTemp
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    Bye, Bjrn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alexander Koryagin on Sat Jul 27 13:29:27 2019
    According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8 Celsius (1.4 Fahrenheit) since 1880.

    I think they are wrong.

    https://xkcd.com/1732/




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Sun Jul 28 02:44:43 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists
    at
    NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), the average global
    temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8 Celsius (1.4
    Fahrenheit)
    since 1880.

    I think they are wrong.

    https://xkcd.com/1732/



    Hey, wow! In 30 years, Europe will be like New Orleans!

    I wonder what New Orleans will be like then?

    --Lee

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Björn Felten on Sun Jul 28 21:54:10 2019
    Hi, Bj”rn Felten!
    I read your message from 27.07.2019 12:29

    AK>> According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by
    AK>> scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies
    AK>> (GISS), the average global temperature on Earth has
    AK>> increased by about 0.8 Celsius (1.4 Fahrenheit) since 1880.
    BF> I think they are wrong.
    BF> https://xkcd.com/1732/

    IMHO the final prediction of the current path is made on the base of a
    very short period. Besides, there are theories that the current warming
    can cause a new ice period.

    Bye, Bj”rn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to Lee Lofaso on Sun Jul 28 23:00:42 2019
    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I
    wonder why...

    Because most of Europe is burning up?

    I'm in Washington state andc here it really is burning ... people being evacuated.

    Ward
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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Mon Jul 29 10:38:10 2019
    https://xkcd.com/1732/

    IMHO the final prediction of the current path is made on the base of a very short period.

    22,000 years with almost rock steady temperatures, save for the last, extreme 200 years, too short? What mathematical model are you basing that statement on?

    Well, there are data for much longer periods for you, covering more than 500,000 years, and they say the exact same thing, but without putting it in perspective with human activities the same way as XKCD.

    Besides, there are theories that the current warming
    can cause a new ice period.

    Sponsored by the oil companies, no doubt...? :(






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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Bj÷rn Felten on Mon Jul 29 07:59:00 2019
    Bjrn Felten wrote to alexander koryagin <=-

    https://xkcd.com/1732/

    IMHO the final prediction of the current path is made on the base of a very short period.

    22,000 years with almost rock steady temperatures, save for
    the last, extreme 200 years, too short? What mathematical model
    are you basing that statement on?

    Well, there are data for much longer periods for you, covering
    more than 500,000 years, and they say the exact same thing, but
    without putting it in perspective with human activities the same
    way as XKCD.

    Yeah...... XKCD..... A web comic strip run by a left-wing
    activist whacko.

    Absolute ROCK-SOLID source of information regarding "climate
    change"... Yep. <EYEROLL>


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Mon Jul 29 15:58:40 2019
    A web comic strip run by a left-wing
    activist whacko.

    Needles to say. Of course he's a left-wing activist "whacko". Opposing the present standpoint from the Trump and all.

    What else did you expect from a link from someone from a Third World Piss Ant little country like Sweden?



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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Bj╨ûrn Felten on Mon Jul 29 18:24:59 2019
    Hi, Björn Felten!
    I read your message from 29.07.2019 09:38

    BF>>> https://xkcd.com/1732/

    ak>> IMHO the final prediction of the current path is made on the base
    ak>> of a very short period.

    BF> 22,000 years with almost rock steady temperatures, save for the
    BF> last, extreme 200 years, too short? What mathematical model are you
    BF> basing that statement on?

    The final sharp rise on your diagram started from 1980s. 30-40 years not
    200. The main problem is in accuracy of the measurement. The reliable
    weather history log has started from end of the 19th century (it was not global, however). The accuracy of the numbers before that log is much
    more unreliable and conjectural, especially when we talk about the
    global weather.

    BF> Well, there are data for much longer periods for you, covering more
    BF> than 500,000 years, and they say the exact same thing, but without
    BF> putting it in perspective with human activities the same way as
    BF> XKCD.

    ak>> Besides, there are theories that the current warming can cause a
    ak>> new ice period.

    BF> Sponsored by the oil companies, no doubt...?

    IMHO, those theories are also rather well founded. The rise of the
    climate temperature, for instance, can lead to the situation when the
    Earth surface will be hidden from the Sun with massive white clouds. Sun
    rays will be reflected into space. The temperature will fall, and vast
    spaces of Earth will be covered with white snow which will reflect even
    more warmth. It is a so called avalanche scenario. There is a reason to
    think that all _recent_ ice periods started exactly in this manner, and,
    BTW, without human participation. Who produces more CO2 - seismic
    activity or a man? It is a good question, IMHO. The main regulator of
    the temperature on Earth is the ocean waters. But we still know very
    little about oceans bottom. We still cannot measure the amount of heat
    which gets into the ocean waters from floor fractures, volcanoes. We
    hardly can penetrate so deep. But it is obvious that if we see
    increasing seismic activity now it means that the oceans are getting
    warmer and more active.

    Bye, Björn!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Mon Jul 29 19:37:16 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    On Monday July 29 2019 15:58, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    What else did you expect from a link from someone from a Third
    World Piss Ant little country like Sweden?

    H wait! It was my country, The Netherlands, that earned that title! :)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jul 30 00:13:01 2019
    What else did you expect from a link from someone from a Third
    World Piss Ant little country like Sweden?

    MvdV> H wait! It was my country, The Netherlands, that earned that title! :)

    Oops! My bad. Maybe another ditto then? 8-)



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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Tue Jul 30 01:01:32 2019
    Hello Bjrn,

    On Tuesday July 30 2019 00:13, you wrote to me:

    What else did you expect from a link from someone from a
    Third World Piss Ant little country like Sweden?

    MvdV>> H wait! It was my country, The Netherlands, that earned that
    MvdV>> title! :)

    Oops! My bad. Maybe another ditto then? 8-)

    No problem. And we are both proud members of the "Euro trash pacifist pig shit pussy" society, are we? ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Jul 30 02:48:24 2019
    MvdV>>> H wait! It was my country, The Netherlands, that earned that
    MvdV>>> title! :)

    Oops! My bad. Maybe another ditto then? 8-)

    MvdV> No problem. And we are both proud members of the "Euro trash pacifist
    MvdV> pig shit pussy" society, aren't we? ;-)

    Absolutely!



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jul 30 05:22:04 2019
    Hello Ward,

    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I
    wonder why...

    Because most of Europe is burning up?

    I'm in Washington state andc here it really is burning ... people being evacuated.

    The governor is out of state, busy running for president.
    The focus of his presidential campaign is climate change.
    Starting at the opposite end of the continent.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jul 30 18:59:03 2019
    Hello Ward,

    At the moment you don't hear much from the climate change deniers. I
    wonder why...

    Because most of Europe is burning up?

    I'm in Washington state andc here it really is burning ... people being evacuated.

    As you know, climate change is a serious issue. At least for some
    folks. The governor of Washington state is running for POTUS, his
    main issue being climate change. Does he have a plan? Apparently
    so, as it is basic to everything he claims to stand for, as shown
    by his own campaign literature -

    Gov. Inslee Promotes Evergreen Economy Plan

    Inslee's Evergreen Economy Plan has teeth and stop signs.

    This plan will take full time legislative and budgeting prioritizing
    effort in Congress.

    I can't see how the unions of the Democratic Party wouldn't sign on to
    such a great middle class and economic revitalizing plan for this
    country, all while scaling Washington's successful climate change
    mitigation programs.

    This plan is the second major policy announcement from Governor
    Inslee’s Climate Mission agenda, a 10-year national mobilization to
    defeat climate change and build a just, innovative, and inclusive
    clean energy future.

    Highlights:

    1. Igniting America’s Clean Energy Economy will establish:

    -- a ReBuild America Initiative to upgrade millions of buildings over
    the next two-plus decades;
    -- a $90 billion Green Bank for clean energy deployment;
    -- a Next Generation Rural Electrification Initiative;
    -- programs to support energy democracy and community-led energy transformation;
    -- grants in lieu of tax incentives for clean energy installation.

    2. Building Sustainable & Climate-Smart Infrastructure will:

    -- make the largest investment in American infrastructure in
    generations
    -- build sustainable transportation, water, affordable housing,
    sustainable communities, smart grid systems.
    -- double investment in public transit
    -- expand dramatically electric car-charging infrastructure,
    -- launch a Clean Water for All Initiative to close the $82 billion
    annual funding gap in critical drinking water, stormwater and
    wastewater infrastructure.
    -- put Americans to work in every community to achieve a state of good
    repair; protect public health; and improve resilience to devastating
    floods, droughts, fires, and storms.

    3. Leading the World in Clean Manufacturing will come from:

    -- the federal government partners with industry to increase
    efficiency, cut costs and waste, deploy new technologies and fuels
    to reduce climate pollution.
    -- the federal government makes major investments in domestic
    manufacturing of electric vehicles and batteries;
    -- establishing a federal “Buy Clean” Program to help close the carbon loophole and support domestic industries and workers;
    -- legislating a new Advanced Energy Manufacturing Tax Credit;
    -- using established entities such as the Export-Import Bank to
    increase exports of made-in-America clean energy solutions.

    These initiatives allow workers and businesses to revitalize America’s economic competitiveness in existing manufacturing industries, to take
    the lead in emerging clean technologies and growth markets.

    4. Investing in Innovation & Scientific Research:

    -- invest in transformative research and development in next-generation
    clean technology and climate solutions,
    -- invest expanded scientific discovery, STEM education.
    -- increase investment in U.S. clean energy and climate solutions
    research -- to $35 billion each year, more than 5 times the current
    funding
    -- marshal the resources of the federal government, states,
    universities and private sector innovators to confront the climate
    challenge.
    -- invest in innovation in the agricultural sector through a new
    ARPA-Ag effort and
    -- a Next Generation Rural Clean Energy Extension Service.

    5. Ensuring Good Jobs with Family Supporting Wages & Benefits Through
    the Above Stages will:

    -- create high-paying, high-skilled jobs
    -- reunionize and empower workers in every industry with new tools to collectively bargain,
    -- ensure racial and gender hiring and promotion,
    -- close the gap in wealth and prosperity, which includes
    -- enacting a “G.I. Bill” for impacted fossil fuel workers and
    communities;
    -- repeal the Taft-Hartley Act provisions that allow so-called “Right-to-Work” laws;
    -- redouble commitment to national apprenticeship programs and creating
    and enforcing protections for gender pay equity.


    Let's promote political action that cares for the planet.

    The primaries are our chance to set election campaign priorities.

    Let's promote thinking about America's future.

    Let's promote how Jay Inslee's thinking solves so much else besides
    climate change.

    -=end campaign propaganda=-

    --Lee

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Aug 11 10:30:30 2019
    On 30/07/2019 03:37, 2:280/5555 wrote:

    What else did you expect from a link from someone from a Third
    World Piss Ant little country like Sweden?

    MvdV> H wait! It was my country, The Netherlands, that earned that title! :)

    Play nice - and share.

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    Regards
    David

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