• FidoGazette Vol 15 no 18 Page: 6

    From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to All on Wed Oct 27 19:19:20 2021


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    !!! G A Z E T T E B B S L I S T !!!
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    By bbslist @ filegate.net

    Send updates, changes to address above or
    to janis @ filegate.net.
    Updated: November 6th, 2019

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    System.......BlackICE BBS
    FidoAddress..2:240/8001
    Software.....Mystic
    OS...........Win 7 Ultimate 32Bit
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message
    reading. Also access to the Newscenter with
    News, Weatherupdates, Twitter-access and many more.
    Message posting and downloads requires sysop
    validation.
    Fido write-access only with realname.
    Telnet.......blackice.bbsindex.com
    Telnet/SSH...blackice.bbsindex.com:22
    FTP..........Available for all BBS-Members
    NNTP.........Available for all BBS-Members (Fido readonly)
    WWW..........www.blackicebbs.de.vu
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    System.......Capitol City Online
    FidoAddress..1:2320/105
    Phone........502-875-8938
    Software.....GT Power
    OS...........OS/2
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First Call access to most of BBS upon finishing
    new user questionnaire
    Telnet.......capcity2.synchro.net
    telnet access to GT Power BBS - same as dial-up
    www:.........http://capcity2.synchro.net
    Notes:.......This site runs Synchronet under linux. Requires
    separate user registration. Has same message
    areas as dial-up/telnet bbs.
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    System.......Castle Rock BBS
    FidoAddress..1:317/3
    Software.....Mystic BBS
    OS...........Linux
    Access.......Access granted with use of Auto-Verifier. Users
    must supply REAL name in order to access Fido
    message group.
    Telnet.......bbs.castlerockbbs.com
    Notes........Almost 2500 message areas, with over 1 million messages
    online. Multiple file networks, with many new files coming
    in daily. Large assortment of classic software available.
    Many door games, both local and InterBBS available. Testing
    site for Galactic Dynasty and Legion RPG door games.
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    System.......Christian Fellowship
    FidoAddress..1:266/512
    Phone........1-856-933-7096
    Software.....PCBoard 15.3
    OS...........Windows XP pro
    C/B Verify...Manually via email or voice
    usually within 24 hours.
    Access.......Read only until verified. Once
    verified write access to Msg bases, file
    areas, chat and doors/games.
    Telnet.......cfbbs.no-ip.com
    Available on port 23 or port 26
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    System.......Doc's Place BBS Online
    FidoAddress..1:123/140
    Software.....Wildcat 5.42
    OS...........Windows 7 pro
    Access.......Read only until sysop verified.
    Telnet/Web:..http://www.docsplace.org/
    http: .......bbs.docsplace.org
    telnet: .....bbs.docsplace.org:26
    ftp: ........bbs.docsplace.org:21
    Notes .......Instant access
    QWK via web browser**
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    System.......Cyberia BBS
    FidoAddress..1:106/324
    Software.....Mystic v1.12
    OS...........Ubuntu 16.04
    C/B Verify...N/A
    Access.......Full Access on First Call.
    Aliases allowed, Real Name required for
    Fidonet Access
    Telnet.......cyberiabbs.zapto.org
    FTP..........cyberiabbs.zapto.org
    WWW..........cyberiabbs.zapto.org
    Notes........HQ and support for Gryphon's Mystic MPL Mods.
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    System.......Laser BBS
    FidoAddress..2:250/5
    Software.....MBSE v1.0.x
    OS...........Debian 8 Jessie
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message
    reading
    Telnet.......mbse.laserbbs.co.uk:2323
    SSH..........no
    WWW..........mbse.laserbbs.co.uk
    FTP..........no
    FREQ.........BinkP or ifcico
    Notes........FidoNet, FSXNet, LinuxNet, SportNet, FMLYNet,
    VKRADIO
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    System.......Lightning BBS
    FidoAddress..1:311/2
    Software.....Virtual Advanced
    OS...........Windows XP
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First call access to doors, files and
    message reading. Message posting requires
    validation.
    Telnet.......lightningbbs.com
    www:.........http:/www.lightningbbs.com/index.php
    Thanks to VADV-PHP you can access almost
    everything the BBS has to offer from the
    web, with the exception of door games.
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    System.......Omicron Theta
    FIDOAddress..1:116/18
    Software.....Wildcat! 7.0
    OS...........Windows Server 2008 Standard
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......Full access first call.
    Telnet.......winserver.us
    WWW..........winserver.us
    Notes........Fido host for WILDCAT!_SUPPORT and JAZZ echomail
    areas.
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    System.......Orbit BBS
    FidoAddress..1:123/400
    Software.....Mystic
    OS...........Linux/Ubuntu
    Access:..... First call LOCAL access only. Request upgrade
    for all nets. Real name required for Fido.
    Telnet.......orbitbbs.ddns.net:7210
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    System.......Ninho do Abutre 2 BBS
    FidoAddress..4:801/194
    Software.....Synchronet 3.17b
    OS...........Windows XP Pro
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......Guest access all on read mode.
    Full access on first call
    Message posting on network areas after
    verification.
    Telnet.......abutre.no-ip.org:2323
    SSH..........abutre.no-ip.org:2222
    NNTP.........abutre.no-ip.org:1190
    WWW..........abutre.no-ip.org:8080
    Notes........Access to Fidonet Brazil and Fidonet Spain.
    Portuguese and Spanish Language areas.
    Also FSX-Net and DOVE-Net.
    Eventually offline due to DSL problems,
    but soon returns.
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    System.......<<Prism BBS
    FidoAddress..1:261/38
    Software.....BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
    OS...........Linux (Ubuntu)
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First Call access to Msg bases,
    file areas, all features of the BBS.
    Telnet.......filegate.net:2030
    telnet access offers full features
    of the standard bbs such as doors,
    qwkmail, BWmail,Files, chat, group chat,
    upload/download messages, download URLs,
    ftp access to other sites by request.
    www:.........http://www.filegate.net:8090/bbbs <-log in to bbbs
    http://www.filegate.net:8090/ <-use bbbs's web server
    or
    http://www.filegate.net/pub/ for files only
    FREQ: filegate.net:24554 (binkD server)
    or from 1:261/38 (BBBS server) on
    filegate.net:24555
    Notes .......web interface is limited to reading messages
    and replying online, or downloading messages
    in qwk packets, file download access.
    Home of IFDC FileGate Project, PDN, Util*Net,
    Win_FDN. Note Modem line disabled.
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    System.......Roach Guts BBS
    FidoAddress..1:396/60
    Software.....Mystic BBS 1.10 A38
    OS...........Debian 6.0 32-bit
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First call access to doors, files and
    message reading. Message posting requires
    validation.
    Telnet.......kingcoder.net
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    System.......Shenk's Express
    FidoAddress..1:275/100
    Phone........757-233-9860
    Software.....SBBS
    OS...........WIN XP
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First Call access
    Telnet.......shenks.synchro.net
    Notes........This site is the coordinator for Battlenet, a
    large BRE league with 7 BRE games. Also
    hosting 2 FE league games.
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    System.......Stepping Stone BBS
    FidoAddress..1:298/25
    Software.....Synchronet
    OS...........Linux/Ubuntu
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First call access to doors, files, and message
    reading. HQ of Whisper-Echo-Net and Legion!
    Telnet.......vintagebbsing.com:23
    FTP..........vintagebbsing.com:21
    WWW..........vintagebbsing.com:81
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    System.......The Thunderbolt BBS
    FidoAddress..1:19/33
    Software.....Synchronet
    OS...........Windows 7 Professional
    C/B Verify...New User Feedback on where users heard about the
    bbs, and what users are looking for, plus enter
    a code that will be emailed to the user.
    what they're looking for in it.
    Access.......Limited Downloads, Message Areas and Doorgames
    until after New User Data is reviewed. Once
    upgraded, full privileges. Ham Radio Operators
    and Visiting Sysops are eligible for additional
    access level upgrades, with proof of an amateur
    radio license, or of data for their BBS.
    Telnet.......tbolt.synchro.net
    WWW..........tbolt.synchro.net
    Notes:.......The BBS is offline whenever thunderstorms threaten,
    or are in the central Arkansas area.
    Contact The Sysop via the FEEBACK link at the
    Matrix Logon. Leave full name and email, if a reply
    is desired.
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    System.......Time Warp of the Future BBS
    FidoAddress..1:340/400
    Phone........none
    Software.....sbbs 3.17a (very beta)
    OS...........win. 7 sp1
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......First Call access to Msg bases, and file areas.
    Telnet.......time.synchro.net:24 or time.darktech.org:24
    telnet access offers full features
    of the standard bbs such as doors,
    messages or file area etc.
    www:.........http://time.synchro.net:81
    Notes........Web interface is limited really to reading messages
    and replying online, or downloading messages in qwk
    packets, but not uploading them, and file download
    access. SBBS files available.
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    System.......War Ensemble BBS
    FidoAddress..1:154/30
    Software.....Synchronet
    OS...........Linux (CentOS 7 and Gentoo)
    C/B Verify...None
    Access.......Full access on your first call. Doors, Messages,
    Files, everything. Please don't abuse it!
    Telnet.......warensemble.com
    SSH..........warensemble.com
    Dial-up......920.840.6311
    FTP..........Full anonymous download access! No limits!
    NNTP.........Full access for all members
    Gopher.......Full access for all members (not that anyone
    has a gopher client now days)
    WWW..........http://www.warensemble.com
    message reading/posting available via the web!
    About........War Ensemble has been around in one form or another
    since 1993. There are loads of door games online,
    hundreds of thousands of files, and hundreds of
    message areas. The sysop is more than happy to
    answer any questions, or add anything you would
    like to see! Come check us out!
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    FIDOGAZETTE Vol 15 No 18 Page 6 October 27, 2021


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    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Janis Kracht on Thu Oct 28 08:03:00 2021
    Janis,

    A few CHANGES for my entry.

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    System.......The Thunderbolt BBS
    FidoAddress..1:19/33

    The address is now 1:2320/33 -- I changed hubs, with Marc Lewis's system possibly shutting down with a job change. I'm still waiting for word on the finality of that.

    OS...........Windows 7 Professional

    It's now Windows 10 Professional (32-bit). Since Microsoft is ENDING
    32-bit support with Windows 10 (Windows 11 is 64-bit only), I'm staying
    with Windows 10.

    Sorry I haven't updated this sooner. With numerous medical issues,
    including 3 Emergency Room trips and 2 hospitalizations in the last 3
    months, the BBS has taken a back seat of sorts.

    Daryl


    Daryl

    ... Safe Sex: One safe humping another one.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)
  • From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to Daryl Stout on Thu Oct 28 14:54:40 2021
    Hi Daryl,

    A few CHANGES for my entry.

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    System.......The Thunderbolt BBS
    FidoAddress..1:19/33

    The address is now 1:2320/33 -- I changed hubs, with Marc Lewis's system possibly shutting down with a job change. I'm still waiting for word on the finality of that.

    Daryl, you are now listed twice in the nodelist: as 1:19/33 and NOW also as 1:2320/33, in Kentucky's network - that's a bit insane since you don't have to change your node number when your feed changes. Weird is all I'm saying here.

    OS...........Windows 7 Professional

    It's now Windows 10 Professional (32-bit). Since Microsoft is ENDING
    32-bit support with Windows 10 (Windows 11 is 64-bit only), I'm staying
    with Windows 10.

    Got the changes for the list.

    Sorry I haven't updated this sooner. With numerous medical issues,
    including 3 Emergency Room trips and 2 hospitalizations in the last 3
    months, the BBS has taken a back seat of sorts.

    Hope you are doing ok.

    Take care,
    Janis

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Janis Kracht on Fri Oct 29 08:52:00 2021
    Janis,

    Daryl, you are now listed twice in the nodelist: as 1:19/33 and NOW
    also as 1:2320/33, in Kentucky's network - that's a bit insane since
    you don't have to change your node number when your feed changes.
    Weird is all I'm saying here.

    I thought I had told Marc Lewis to remove that entry...I guess not.
    I still have not heard the outcome whether his system is going to shut
    down or not. But, I didn't want to lose the FIDONet feed.

    Got the changes for the list.

    There won't be any more OS updates, in regards to Windows. Microsoft
    ENDS 32-bit support with Windows 10.

    Hope you are doing ok.

    I likely will have to sell the car next month to pay medical bills.
    Plus, my night vision is fogged up, and it's starting to act up during
    the day, especially with oncoming vehicle lights.

    Daryl

    ... My VCR blinks 1:00 with Daylight Savings Time.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Daryl Stout on Sat Oct 30 12:18:45 2021
    Daryl,

    But, I didn't want to lose the FIDONet feed.

    As long as there will be beer available here, there will be a link here for you if you need one.

    Remember, the days of costly modemcalls are gone ... I'm just as expensive as Janis is ... well, maybe she has better taste ... 8-)

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Daryl Stout on Sat Oct 30 12:21:12 2021
    There won't be any more OS updates, in regards to Windows. Microsoft
    ENDS 32-bit support with Windows 10.

    So?

    What's wrong with the current versions?

    I only switched from XP to 7 because the new motherboard couldn't handle XP anymore...otherwise I'd still be on XP for Fido.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - Oct 12 2021
    * Origin: Hou het veilig, hou vol. Het komt allemaal weer goed (2:292/854)
  • From Janis Kracht@1:261/38 to Ward Dossche on Sat Oct 30 10:07:36 2021
    Remember, the days of costly modemcalls are gone ... I'm just as expensive as Janis is ... well, maybe she has better taste ... 8-)

    Hmm. Yes, I may have better taste than you...

    But Ward, Daryl is not one of my downlinks, and never has been.

    I think you missed the point of my original message to Daryl.

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-5
    * Origin: Prism bbs (1:261/38)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Ward Dossche on Sat Oct 30 12:19:00 2021
    Ward,

    What's wrong with the current versions?

    Microsoft doesn't believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

    I only switched from XP to 7 because the new motherboard couldn't
    handle XP anymore...otherwise I'd still be on XP for Fido.

    I upgraded the laptop to Windows 11 overnight, as it was able to take
    the upgrade. However, the desktop computer with the BBS is only with a
    32-bit CPU, so it stays with Windows 10.

    Daryl

    ... Real Sysops read the documentation -- or at least skim them.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Janis Kracht on Sat Oct 30 12:24:00 2021
    Janis,

    Hmm. Yes, I may have better taste than you...

    And, to me, women are better looking. <G>

    But Ward, Daryl is not one of my downlinks, and never has been.

    I might have been at one time, but I'm not sure.

    Daryl

    ... They say "Money Talks". Mine just waves "goodbye".
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Daryl Stout on Sat Oct 30 20:09:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

    I only switched from XP to 7 because the new motherboard couldn't
    handle XP anymore...otherwise I'd still be on XP for Fido.

    I upgraded the laptop to Windows 11 overnight, as it was able
    to take the upgrade. However, the desktop computer with the BBS
    is only with a 32-bit CPU, so it stays with Windows 10.

    What's the CPU? A Pentium-4 or earlier?



    ... A day without sunshine is like night.
    === MultiMail/Linux v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Linux
    * Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:123/115)
  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Daryl Stout on Sat Oct 30 23:56:02 2021
    On 10-30-21 12:19, Daryl Stout <=-
    spoke to Ward Dossche about Re: FidoGazette Vol 15 no <=-

    I upgraded the laptop to Windows 11 overnight, as it was able to
    take the upgrade. However, the desktop computer with the BBS is only
    with a 32-bit CPU, so it stays with Windows 10.

    So, what is the difference with Win11 versus Win10? Have you seen any?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked in Silver Spring, Maryland. 23:57:45, 30 Oct 2021
    ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30

    --- Maximus/NT 3.01
    * Origin: Owl's Anchor (1:261/1466)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Dan Clough on Sun Oct 31 09:50:00 2021
    Dan,

    What's the CPU? A Pentium-4 or earlier?

    Truthfully, I have no idea. It was my late Mom's desktop computer.
    Apparently the CPU is too slow, and will not run 64-bit programs,
    which Windows 11 requires.

    However, with medical and other issues, I can't afford to upgrade,
    and I really don't want to give up a whole slew of legacy doors, that
    for the most part, are registered.

    Daryl

    ... Yeah, I BBS -- but I can control it.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Dale Shipp on Sun Oct 31 10:55:00 2021
    Dale,

    So, what is the difference with Win11 versus Win10? Have you seen any?

    First, I've only used it since yesterday, so I haven't seen much.

    Second, there are several differences...I use DuckDuckGo as my search engine, and if you enter "differences between Windows 10 and 11", or
    something similar, several difference links will appear...including ones
    from Microsoft, CNet, and HowToGeek, among others. I didn't see duplicating info already out there.

    Here's a link from Microsoft, on the following items for Windows 11:

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-specifications#primaryR4

    It covers the following items:

    1) System and Feature Specific Requirements

    2) Feature deprecations and removals

    3) Keeping Windows 11 up to date

    4) Language Versions

    The other links I looked at were:

    https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/windows-11-vs-windows-10-everything- microsoft-changed-in-the-new-os/

    (above URL all on one line)

    https://www.howtogeek.com/737186/whats-the-difference-between-windows-10 -and-windows-11/

    (above URL all on one line)

    But, here's what I've noticed (this was before I went to the above URL's):

    A) You can no longer set up a toolbar option (i.e. Desktop) from the
    taskbar, and you can not view folder contents on the desktop from the
    taskbar. The alternative is to pin the program icon to the taskbar.

    B) The taskbar CENTERS the Start Menu icon, and the other icons. But,
    you can choose to move it to the left, as it was with previous versions
    of Windows. You also apparently can only have the taskbar on the bottom
    of the display...no longer on the top or the sides.

    C) The Settings deal is easier to get to on the Windows 11 Start
    Menu compared to Windows 10. I had used a utility called Start Menu
    8, from IObit Utilities, that created a Start Menu like Windows XP,
    7, or 8 instead. I use several of the utilities from iobit.com on
    both computers.

    However, I may not go back to that Start Menu 8, as the Start Menu
    with Windows 11 isn't as "busy and cluttered" as the Windows 10 Start
    Menu was. Several of those items were moved to a category called
    "Widgets". Also, the "live tiles" were removed...and you can't rename
    pinned groups or folders of apps in the Start Menu.

    D) You can choose which other running program icons you want to appear
    in the taskbar...and which ones to "stay hidden".

    E) You can choose several types of themes for the desktop. I chose
    one that was easy on the eyes, as I normally work the bedroom, and
    leave the overhead light off. You can also choose a "night light"
    in the display to make it easier on the eyes.

    I did NOT have to reinstall any of the programs and files that I
    already had on the system (a Lenovo laptop, with a 64-bit CPU). But,
    I made a backup beforehand...and then did another backup once the
    install was completed.

    I was notified when the system was "ready" to do the upgrade to
    Windows 11. While you can continue your work on the system while the
    package is downloaded and installed, it will take several hours to do
    it.

    However, once you click Restart to finish the installation, it will
    take quite awhile for it to finish...and you will NOT be able to do
    anything with the computer until the installation is done (it's now A
    WAITING GAME -- you might as well take a nap, or go eat a nice large
    meal). And, you don't want to power down or lose power to the computer
    while this is being done, or the data will be royally corrupted.

    Daryl

    ... Yesterday was the deadline for all complaints.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.52
    --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32
    * Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:2320/33)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Daryl Stout on Sun Oct 31 17:57:57 2021
    On 31 Oct 21 10:55:00, Daryl Stout said the following to Dale Shipp:

    So, what is the difference with Win11 versus Win10? Have you seen any

    First, I've only used it since yesterday, so I haven't seen much.

    For me what blows me away is the loss of "labeled" Taskbar items. Everything is now icons that you must hover over in order to figure out what the heck you've got open.

    Hate it, hate it, hate it... its like Microsoft wants to be Chrome-OS.

    Nick
    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nick Andre on Sun Oct 31 20:04:00 2021
    Hello Nick!

    ** On Sunday 31.10.21 - 17:57, you wrote to Daryl Stout:

    For me what blows me away is the loss of "labeled" Taskbar
    items. Everything is now icons that you must hover over in
    order to figure out what the heck you've got open.

    Hate it, hate it, hate it... its like Microsoft wants to
    be Chrome-OS.

    MS is betting that people will eventually get used to it.
    There is also a whole new generation of users that will have
    nothing to compare it to and will simply accept it.


    --
    ../|ug

    --- OpenXP 5.0.50
    * Origin: (2:221/1.58)
  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Daryl Stout on Sun Oct 31 21:45:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    What's the CPU? A Pentium-4 or earlier?

    Truthfully, I have no idea. It was my late Mom's desktop
    computer. Apparently the CPU is too slow, and will not run 64-bit programs, which Windows 11 requires.

    "Too slow" is not a criteria for whether or not a CPU will run 64-bit programs. It's the CPU architecture that matters. If it's anything
    newer than a Pentium-4, it's capable of doing 64-bit, probably.

    However, with medical and other issues, I can't afford to
    upgrade, and I really don't want to give up a whole slew of
    legacy doors, that for the most part, are registered.

    I don't use Windows, but I'm pretty sure you can run legacy doors on
    64-bit these days. Something to do with a 64 version of "NTVDM" or
    something similar.

    But I do get the idea of not wanting to upgrade just because there's a
    new version available. No great reason to do that on a machine being
    used to run a BBS.



    ... What was the best thing BEFORE sliced bread?
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Nick Andre on Mon Nov 1 13:57:00 2021
    Nick,

    For me what blows me away is the loss of "labeled" Taskbar items. Everything is now icons that you must hover over in order to figure out what the heck you've got open.

    I did a workaround...copying icons of the most used programs to the taskbar. I've used them so much, that I recognize them by the appearance.

    Hate it, hate it, hate it... its like Microsoft wants to be Chrome-OS.

    It seems like they can't come up with anything original. They see what someone else has, and decides "they have got to have it...by hook or crook". Remember all the crap with Stacker, DriveSpace, and DoubleSpace several
    years ago?? They've copied stuff from OS/2 Warp and from Mac, among others, over the years, and re-labeled it as their own.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Dan Clough on Mon Nov 1 14:00:00 2021
    Dan,

    I don't use Windows, but I'm pretty sure you can run legacy doors on 64-bit these days. Something to do with a 64 version of "NTVDM" or something similar.

    There is no NTVDM in 64-bit, so you can't run the legacy 16 or 32-bit programs.

    But I do get the idea of not wanting to upgrade just because there's a
    new version available. No great reason to do that on a machine being
    used to run a BBS.

    It brings to mind when everyone rushed out to get Windows 95 as soon
    as it came out. Then, they found out all the bugs they'd have to deal with. That was how Microsoft got "guinea pigs for beta testing".

    And, I can't see discarding perfectly good working hardware and software, just to keep up with the Jones', and increase Microsoft's bottom line.

    Daryl

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Daryl Stout on Mon Nov 1 21:44:00 2021
    Daryl Stout wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    I don't use Windows, but I'm pretty sure you can run legacy doors on 64-bit these days. Something to do with a 64 version of "NTVDM" or something similar.

    There is no NTVDM in 64-bit, so you can't run the legacy 16 or
    32-bit programs.

    There are ways to do it. Here is one:

    https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64



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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Dan Clough on Tue Nov 2 09:56:00 2021
    Dan,

    There are ways to do it. Here is one:

    https://github.com/leecher1337/ntvdmx64

    I'll look at it later. My back is hurting real bad this morning from
    sitting in the computer chair too long. If I can get it to work, I may
    look at moving the BBS stuff over to the laptop.

    Daryl

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to Daryl Stout on Tue Nov 2 20:55:54 2021
    02 Nov 2021 09:56, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    I'll look at it later. My back is hurting real bad this morning from sitting in the computer chair too long. If I can get it to work, I may look at moving the BBS stuff over to the laptop.

    You may also try using a remote control tool (VNC or whatever) to access your node from the laptop. I'm doing that with TightVNC right now.

    Carlos

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to Carlos Navarro on Wed Nov 3 08:20:00 2021
    Carlos,

    You may also try using a remote control tool (VNC or whatever) to
    access your node from the laptop. I'm doing that with TightVNC right
    now.

    I'm already doing that...although if the local internet goes out, then
    I have to go to the back bedroom (which was my late parents bedroom) to
    do the needed work. I also go back there to unplug it if there's a threat
    of thunderstorms, or to reboot the system after a Windows Update or a
    power outage. The UPS units are on backup power for a limited time, and
    sooner or later, they'll run down.

    Daryl

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