Hi, All!

When an airplane makes an emergency landing it drains the excessive
fuel. Can an Englishman drain information?

Bye, All!
Alexander Koryagin

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Hi Alexander -- on Jul 12 2020 at 22:34, you wrote:

When an airplane makes an emergency landing it drains the excessive
fuel. Can an Englishman drain information?

An unusual way to phrase it, but yes: "I drained Jim of everything he
knew about polo." :-)


Cheers... Dallas

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Hi, Dallas Hinton! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 12.07.2020 14:12

When an airplane makes an emergency landing it drains the
excessive fuel. Can an Englishman drain information?

An unusual way to phrase it, but yes: "I drained Jim of
everything he knew about polo." :-)

It was Jim's information.

If I talk about myself, can I say:
"I drained Jim everything I knew about his wife's love affair."
;-)

Bye, Dallas!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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Alexander Koryagin:

If I talk about myself, can I say: "I drained Jim
everything I knew about his wife's love affair." ;-)

Observe that Dallas had an "of" before the second
object -- to drain somebody of something. Does a plane
really "drain" excessive fuel before landing? Maybe they
dump it?

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Hi, Anton Shepelev! -> Alexander Koryagin
I read your message from 13.07.2020 12:14

If I talk about myself, can I say: "I drained Jim everything I
knew about his wife's love affair." ;-)

Observe that Dallas had an "of" before the second object -- to
drain somebody of something. Does a plane really "drain" excessive
fuel before landing? Maybe they dump it?

I guess you are right. "Drain" implies a flow -- there is the word "drainage", not dumping. But when a plain dumps its fuel the fuel looks like aerosol.

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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Hi Alexander -- on Jul 13 2020 at 10:03, you wrote:

If I talk about myself, can I say:
"I drained Jim everything I knew about his wife's love affair."
;-)

You can -- I wouldn't -- it's not wrong, just....unusual!

Cheers... Dallas

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Hi Anton -- on Jul 13 2020 at 12:14, you wrote:

Observe that Dallas had an "of" before the second
object -- to drain somebody of something. Does a plane
really "drain" excessive fuel before landing? Maybe they
dump it?

Speaking as an ex-aircraft worker, we would drain fuel (or water) from
an aircraft sitting (or standing!) on the ramp. The aircraft would dump
fuel in preparation for an emergency landing. The distinction, I think,
is that drain implies a destination (a fuel truck ("bowser" in England!)
or a bucket, as opposed to dumping where we have no idea where the fuel
will land!


Cheers... Dallas

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Dallas Hinton to Alexander Koryagin:

If I talk about myself, can I say: "I drained Jim
everything I knew about his wife's love affair." ;-)

You can -- I wouldn't -- it's not wrong,
just....unusual!

I am sure it is wrong without an "of" before "everything."
Possible amendments:

a. I drained Jim of everything *he* knew about his wife's
love affair.

b. I drained from Jim everything *he* knew about...

c. I let Jim drain me of everything I knew about...

d. I divulged to Jim everything I knew about...
(now that's more like dumping!)

"drain" seems to imply a certain effort on the part of the
receiver (e.g. a vampyre), unless it verb is used in the
narrow technical sense of the operation of a drainage
system.

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Hi Anton -- on Jul 13 2020 at 22:50, you wrote:

If I talk about myself, can I say: "I drained Jim
everything I knew about his wife's love affair." ;-)

You can -- I wouldn't -- it's not wrong,
just....unusual!

I am sure it is wrong without an "of" before "everything."

Definitely wrong. My original had the "of"; your quote above seems to
have omitted it.

Possible amendments:

a. I drained Jim of everything *he* knew about his wife's
love affair.

b. I drained from Jim everything *he* knew about...

c. I let Jim drain me of everything I knew about...

d. I divulged to Jim everything I knew about...
(now that's more like dumping!)

"drain" seems to imply a certain effort on the part of the
receiver (e.g. a vampyre), unless it verb is used in the
narrow technical sense of the operation of a drainage
system.

All These amendents are valid, but apart from d, the use of "drain"
would be unusual. Divulged, imo, has more of a sense of secrecy about
it, as if you knew you really shouldn't have been telling that to Jim.



Cheers... Dallas

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Hi, Dallas! Recently you wrote in a message to Anton Shepelev:

If I talk about myself, can I say: "I drained Jim
everything I knew about his wife's love affair." ;-)

You can -- I wouldn't -- it's not wrong,
just....unusual!

I am sure it is wrong without an "of" before "everything."

Definitely wrong. My original had the "of"; your quote
above seems to have omitted it.

In Alexander's message, as we received it here, the "of" was left out. I figure Anton quoted Alexander's words correctly as he saw them. :-Q




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Hi, Anton Shepelev - Dallas Hinton!
I read your message from 13.07.2020 22:50

d. I divulged to Jim everything I knew about...
(now that's more like dumping!)

"drain" seems to imply a certain effort on the part of the
receiver (e.g. a vampyre), unless it verb is used in the
narrow technical sense of the operation of a drainage
system.

"Drain" is like "leak", but stronger. Have heard about Wikileaks? ;-) No efforts on the part of the receiver. :)

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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Hi, Ardith Hinton! -> Dallas Hinton
I read your message from 13.07.2020 19:42

If I talk about myself, can I say: "I drained Jim
everything I knew about his wife's love affair." ;-)

You can -- I wouldn't -- it's not wrong,
just....unusual!

I am sure it is wrong without an "of" before "everything."

Definitely wrong. My original had the "of"; your quote
above seems to have omitted it.

In Alexander's message, as we received it here, the
"of" was left out. I figure Anton quoted Alexander's words
correctly as he saw them. :-Q

My sentence had the opposite sense. I drained Jim everything that I knew...


Bye, Ardith!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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Alexander Koryagin:

"Drain" is like "leak", but stronger. Have heard about
Wikileaks? ;-)

Have *I* heard about Wikileaks? Sure I have!

No efforts on the part of the receiver. :)

Quite an effort from those that reveal those malevolent
unlawfully conceiled information, oft attnded by a risk of
criminal prosecution. Shall we call it WikiDrains :-?

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Alexander Koryagin to Ardith Hinton:

In Alexander's message, as we received it here, the
"of" was left out. I figure Anton quoted Alexander's
words correctly as he saw them. :-Q\

My sentence had the opposite sense. I drained Jim
everything that I knew...

Yes, I believe Dallas and Ardith misunderstood you, for you
use `drain' as a ditransitive verb, like `tell': I told Jim
everything I knew... But it does not work that way.

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Re: Drain
By: Anton Shepelev to Dallas Hinton on Mon Jul 13 2020 22:50:44

d. I divulged to Jim everything I knew about...
(now that's more like dumping!)

s/divulged/drained/

"drain" is the word we're working with here ;)

but yeah, i went back upthread and looked... the original re:"... about polo" statement, that dallas wrote, had "of everything" in it... AK dropped that "of" somehow... i do similar... a lot... my fingers type what they want
to type instead of what my brain is telling them to type 8-|


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Re: Drain
By: Alexander Koryagin to Ardith Hinton on Tue Jul 14 2020 09:20:30

My sentence had the opposite sense. I drained Jim everything that I knew...

ahhh... in that case, you are missing "to" in the statement...

I drained to Jim everything that I knew [...]

so AS' option "d." modified to use "drained" is the correct answer to that question :)


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)(ark Lewis:

but yeah, i went back upthread and looked... the
original re:"... about polo" statement, that dallas
wrote, had "of everything" in it... AK dropped that "of"
somehow... i do similar... a lot... my fingers type what
they want to type instead of what my brain is telling
them to type 8-|

AK is very careful and meticulous. It was his intent, rather
than mistake, to drop the `of'. He proposed to use `drain'
in a sense similar to `confide' or `tell' -- to let
information out, to let it pour out of you as if by removing
a stopper.

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Hi, Anton Shepelev - Alexander Koryagin!
I read your message from 14.07.2020 11:49

"Drain" is like "leak", but stronger. Have heard about
Wikileaks? ;-)

Have*I* heard about Wikileaks? Sure I have!

No efforts on the part of the receiver. :)

Quite an effort from those that reveal those malevolent
unlawfully conceiled information, oft attnded by a risk of
criminal prosecution. Shall we call it WikiDrains :-?

I like "WikiDrains". ;-)

Bye, Anton!
Alexander Koryagin
english_tutor 2020

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Hi, Mark! Recently you wrote in a message to Alexander Koryagin:

My sentence had the opposite sense. I drained Jim
everything that I knew...

ahhh... in that case, you are missing "to" in the
statement...

I drained to Jim everything that I knew [...]

Thanks to you & Anton, I now understand what Alexander had in mind. When we drain a bathtub or a swamp, e.g., the water goes somewhere else & there is little or none remaining in that location. I was having difficulty with the idea of using "drain" WRT what a person knows because... in the ordinary way of things... they'd still have access to it.

WRT concrete objects I interpret "I'll give to you a paper of pins" as equivalent to "I'll give you a gift, on the understanding that by so doing I am transferring ownership". When I drain my bathtub the water goes into a pipe which ends at a waste treatment plant somewhere on Annacis Island.
Either way, the speaker no longer possesses &/or retains custody of whatever it is.... :-)




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Hi, Anton! Recently you wrote in a message to Dallas Hinton:

d. I divulged to Jim everything I knew about...

I like this alternative because... while I have no control over what Jim does with any information I've divulged/revealed to him... I still have the original copy in my brain, and I can refer to it again whenever I see fit. :-)

(now that's more like dumping!)

Hmm. I see that, in an emergency, an aeroplane might discharge fuel into the air... but where I come from "dumping" usually means somebody wants to get rid of household garbage & where it lands is irrelevant from their POV. We have signs saying "NO DUMPING" adjacent to certain ravines around here.... :-Q

"drain" seems to imply a certain effort on the part
of the receiver

Perhaps. I've heard many sad stories about how Jane Bloggs falls in love with a con artist who drains her bank account(s) or persuades her to do it because he desperately needs a loan... just over the weekend, you understand... while he's waiting for a cheque to arrive in the mail. Next thing we know he's disappeared along with her life savings... [wry grin].

(e.g. a vampyre),

While I'd spell it "vampire", I enjoy archaic language too. :-)

unless it verb is used in the narrow technical sense
of the operation of a drainage system.

I see it as a metaphor which may be interpreted in various ways, but I have difficulty with the idea that... except perhaps in science fiction... it is possible to suck out of my brain what I know about xxx, leaving none for me. OTOH I'm quite comfortable with e.g. "I realized [the neighbourhood gossip] was trying to pump me for information" & "Anton, I'd like to pick your brains WRT a point of grammar". Both imply some effort on the part of the receiver.... :-)




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