• New elist program about to start testing

    From Vince Coen@2:2/21 to All on Sun Jan 26 21:40:38 2020
    Hello All!

    Having finished programming a new version of elist I am about to start functional testing (and after system) and to this end require 'imput' :)

    Over the next two posts I will supply an temporary updated version of the elisthlp file followed by the current copy of the README-Elist file that details changes to keywords and an updated procedure to passing MOD-ADD, UPD and DEL data and here due to current program status (see later) I can only
    take this data in the form of text files send direct to my system with the file
    name as Echotag.RUL, i.e., for echo mbse the file is MBSE.RUL and for additions, updates and deletes as text files with the file name of echotag.ECO,i.e., for mbse it is MBSE.ECO.

    As you can see the filename and extension is all upper case.

    Extra keywords or usage is needed (see next two postings) but first line should
    be
    SUBJ MOD-XXX (where XXX is ADD, UPD or DEL)
    FROM moderators (or a registered Co-mod) network address in the form
    firstname last name, (optional) zone:net/node@fidonet
    GROUP FIDO
    LANG ENGLISH

    For the others including COMODn and changes to COMOD see the next posts of notes.

    Any issues regarding these please place a question or two here so every one can
    see the problem as it is my mistakes in documentation changes at this early stage :)

    If a question is needed then a doc change is needed as well!


    Please send in these files as file attach / send via your mailer etc for help in testing. They will form the Elist Database after testing for future use.

    I can only accept the .ECO and .RUL files as I have no facilities yet for reading my systems JAM netmail system - Need to find open area, close area, read next area message source code that has a C callable interface as it will be called by a C coded program - well that is the final compiling language.

    I have no problems posting messages to here (ELIST) and to netmail direct. email support is a long way off at the moment again need to find the right tools, libraries etc.

    Thanks,


    Vince

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Vince Coen on Mon Jan 27 01:57:02 2020
    On 01-26-20 21:40, Vince Coen <=-
    spoke to All about New elist program about t <=-

    Do you have the passwords that were used by the previous echolist
    keeper?
    Any thought on how long it will take for email submissions?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Vince Coen on Mon Jan 27 10:09:22 2020
    Vince,

    Having finished programming a new version of elist I am about to start functional testing (and after system) and to this end require 'imput' :)

    Input?

    It has been my understanding Dale Barnes was going to deal with the ELIST when Ben Ritchey departed us.

    The ECHOLIST-echo paints a totally different picture, as does my regular email "in" box.

    I require clarification of who does what sanctioned by whom.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

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  • From Vince Coen@2:2/21 to Dale Shipp on Mon Jan 27 17:08:36 2020
    Hello Dale!

    Monday January 27 2020 01:57, you wrote to me:

    On 01-26-20 21:40, Vince Coen <=-
    spoke to All about New elist program about t <=-

    Do you have the passwords that were used by the previous echolist
    keeper?
    Any thought on how long it will take for email submissions?


    A1. Nope all is lost so it is a total re-load.
    A2. No, as of this moment I cannot find suitable tools that I can use to :
    Scan incoming emails for a given address
    Pass on the content text ( to a file by choice ).
    Send a email using a text file as input along with a sending email addr and
    subject line.

    How ever if any one can help here within a Linux platform (Mageia v7 X64) I would be grateful

    Also needs similar to scan and grap Netmails in a JAM message system (mbse).

    Both will be needed to complete full functionality.

    I have Ben's Basic source and here the problem was that he used a 'very' old PowerBasic V5 compiler and the Basic language used between the current v9 onwards is very differnt and after a four hours of changing the sources still could not get a clean compile. So gave up on it and rewrote the entire application in another language that compiles to C using the GNU GCC development system. This is available on any *nix system as well as OSX and modern windows systems.

    Needless to say there was not bactch files provided including any compiler files so cannot work out what was used other than his use of Mystic BBS.

    Also any updates to the compiler I use, will NOT involve any needed changes to the source code unless a programmer would like to make it prettier or use more modern syntax that can occur over the years with a change of Language standards.
    Standards change every 3 - 7 years but rarely affect any previous standards they just add to them.

    So minimum (read that as none) changes = zero effort to use some where else. Hopefully this will future proof the application - well short of qantum computers being the norm for home computing :)

    Vince

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  • From Vince Coen@2:2/21 to Ward Dossche on Mon Jan 27 17:23:46 2020
    Hello Ward!

    Monday January 27 2020 10:09, you wrote to me:

    Vince,

    Having finished programming a new version of elist I am about to
    start functional testing (and after system) and to this end
    require 'imput' :)

    Input?

    It has been my understanding Dale Barnes was going to deal with the
    ELIST when Ben Ritchey departed us.

    The ECHOLIST-echo paints a totally different picture, as does my
    regular email "in" box.

    I require clarification of who does what sanctioned by whom.

    It looks like Two of us have been asked and are working on the same problem.

    Based on a message from Dale he is some what further behind in development and coding is still well in progress as a minimum.

    In any event after the last set of issues regard the tool it does not hurt two lines of development for the future where hopefully both can work on any platform that is in use.

    My product is now in testing abet with input netmail and email functionality not present at least during functional and system testing.

    After that is completed and the system operational I will try and find solutions to these two missing functional elements but the primary one will be input via netmail with email being a priority 2 only.

    Vince

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Vince Coen on Tue Jan 28 01:43:00 2020
    On 01-27-20 17:08, Vince Coen <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about New elist program ab <=-

    Do you have the passwords that were used by the previous echolist
    keeper?
    Any thought on how long it will take for email submissions?


    A1. Nope all is lost so it is a total re-load.

    How will you confirm that a submission is from the legitimate moderator? Compare to the old list?

    A2. No, as of this moment I cannot find suitable tools that I can use
    to : Scan incoming emails for a given address
    Pass on the content text ( to a file by choice ).
    Send a email using a text file as input along with a sending email
    addr and
    subject line.

    I cannot help with anything linux, but what you talk about there sounds
    like what I do with my offline email reader (Eudora) and 4NT. I have
    filters in Eudora that recognize a type of email with an attachment and
    send that attachment off to a script using 4NT. I also use 4NT to
    create and send an email to my USERS.

    Are you familar with 4NT or 4DOS? I don't know if there is a version
    that works under linux.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jan 28 01:50:02 2020
    On 01-27-20 10:09, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Vince Coen about Re: New elist program abo <=-

    I require clarification of who does what sanctioned by whom.

    When the prior +1 Elist keeper quit, it was the moderators who
    sanctioned Thom LaCosta as the keeper of the Echolist by sending their
    updates to him. If there is any contention, I would expect the same
    procedure would apply. The Elist is not controlled by Fidonet, but
    provides a service for those who choose to use it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jan 28 11:15:21 2020
    The Elist is not controlled by Fidonet, but
    provides a service for those who choose to use it.

    To my perception the elist was used to try to control certain aspects of Fidonet.

    Other than that, I think the whole concept has become obsolete.

    \%/@rd

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jan 28 08:35:51 2020
    Re: Re: New elist program ab
    By: Dale Shipp to Vince Coen on Tue Jan 28 2020 01:43:00


    Are you familar with 4NT or 4DOS? I don't know if there is a
    version that works under linux.

    there is not but rewriting them in bash isn't too bad... plus bash offers a few additional niceties... and then there's the standard "do one thing and do it well" linux programs that come into play as well...

    i'll have to look and see if i had a 4OS2/4DOS script that i've converted to bash... for that matter, i need to see if i can run 4DOS as the command interpreter in DOSEMU... i have at least one door that i added a nice feature to that requires 4DOS and since i'm all native linux here, now, adding that feature back would be a GoodThing<tm> ;)


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Ward Dossche on Tue Jan 28 08:53:26 2020
    Re: Re: New elist program ab
    By: Ward Dossche to Dale Shipp on Tue Jan 28 2020 11:15:21


    The Elist is not controlled by Fidonet, but
    provides a service for those who choose to use it.

    To my perception the elist was used to try to control certain aspects of
    Fidonet.

    that's because you don't understand why the echolist was created in the first place and why the backbone distribution systems chose to use it...

    it was created to provide a list of available echos with relevent information about them...

    the backbone distribution systems use it for several items related to their distribution of echos... one of the mail items is determining who the moderator of an echo is... they use it for other informational things, as well... like the "short description" which is used in the backbone.* files along with the echotag to provide the obvious... the quantity of messages that generally flow is also used... whether the echo has any restrictions for access is another item...

    Other than that, I think the whole concept has become obsolete.

    the concept of providing a central list of echos with relevent data about them is still desired in today's fidonet technology networks... it is just a tool for use by moderators, distribution systems that choose to use it, and operators looking for a nice central list of available echomail areas so they don't have to ask all around if certain echo topics are available from anywhere... it is just a tool...


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  • From Vince Coen@2:2/21 to Dale Shipp on Tue Jan 28 16:19:57 2020
    Hello Dale!

    Tuesday January 28 2020 01:43, you wrote to me:

    On 01-27-20 17:08, Vince Coen <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about New elist program ab <=-

    Do you have the passwords that were used by the previous echolist
    keeper?
    Any thought on how long it will take for email submissions?


    A1. Nope all is lost so it is a total re-load.

    How will you confirm that a submission is from the legitimate
    moderator? Compare to the old list?

    I have also coded up a security group and one thing is that all received files are checked against
    the mailers log file content checking that :

    Sysop name is correct
    Node address is correct
    as linked to the two file types and the existing database record for a specific echo with the
    moderator or one of the Co-Mods and that the password matches up for echo updates or deletes.

    The test applies to both file types.

    There is an addition test I can do but that depend on the information passed to my mailer i.e., the
    systems MAC address but I have not coded that as that would create problems if another system was
    brought into play because of hardware or other issues.

    If it fails any test it is rejected with a message going to ELIST and to the moderator on record as
    well as the original sender - just to rub it in.

    As all ack's are always sent to the ELIST (as well as direct to the sender) echo then everyone can
    see and object is there is an attempt to hi-jack an echo.

    Note that the program will also support other networks in addition to FIDO although may well require
    being run in a seperate pass for each one but can at the moment all be processed in the same subject
    to some coding mods. I will have to make a decision on this if other request its usage and find the
    best way of doing it but at the moment doing each network as a seperate runs sounds like the best
    option. Needless to say all will only use the one database / file system as the total combination
    of echo areas is very small even allowing for Janis's total worldwide collection.

    The only issue regarding this is that the program only wokds with standard character sets i.e., not 2
    bytes per characters such as used in Japan, China and european languages that use special chars for
    say accents. Hopefully testing will shows these one's up and if needed I will create a version for
    such language character sets although I might pass that on to another :).

    The other person just as another acting as the elist mainainer just needs a Linux, OSX, Windows
    system that has available the GCC C development system and its libraries installed and a small number
    of addition mostly GCC libraries. They can then along with the sources for the compiler, build the
    compiler then use it to compile the elist program on any platform up to mainframes.

    This is one of the primary reasons for selectly the programming language used.


    A2. No, as of this moment I cannot find suitable tools that I can
    use to : Scan incoming emails for a given address Pass on the
    content text ( to a file by choice ). Send a email using a text
    file as input along with a sending email addr and subject line.

    I cannot help with anything linux, but what you talk about there
    sounds like what I do with my offline email reader (Eudora) and 4NT.
    I have filters in Eudora that recognize a type of email with an
    attachment and send that attachment off to a script using 4NT. I also
    use 4NT to create and send an email to my USERS.

    Are you familar with 4NT or 4DOS? I don't know if there is a version
    that works under linux.

    Both of these if memory serves are super versions of the command processors for NT, OS/2 and Dos
    (PC/MS) but using the standard script prossors for Linux such as bash does do a reasonable job or
    extra processing but these tasks are down to specific libraries or applications to get the required
    netmails. If the libraries or source code is based on a C callable language I can call them direct
    in the program or use some baby coding to create a file for each Netmail message depending it is
    requirements. All that said I do link to use the KISS system where ever possible.


    Vince

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to mark lewis on Wed Jan 29 08:13:47 2020
    Mark,

    that's because you don't understand why the echolist was created in the first place and why the backbone distribution systems chose to use it...

    Oh dear ... "you don't understand" ... heard that tune before ...

    the concept of providing a central list of echos with relevent data about them is still desired in today's fidonet technology networks...

    Let me tell you, if and when Fidonet collapses, it won't be because of the lack of an elist.

    it is just a tool for use by moderators, distribution systems that
    choose to use it, and operators looking for a nice central list of available echomail areas so they don't have to ask all around if certain echo topics are available from anywhere... it is just a tool...

    If it were as you describe it, then it also is the negative-list of what isn't there. This negative-list has never stopped distribution systems from carrying 100-proof crap and listing at least 80% of dead echoes, or echoes kept alive by tag-collectors such as Sean Denis.

    Ben Ritchey has now departed us how long ago? And did echomail distribution come to a dead-stop? No? Maybe that is because the largest distribution of them all ... the Fidoweb ... distributes whatever needs distributing, irrespective of what the elist indicates, or does not.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 4
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jan 29 01:57:00 2020
    On 01-28-20 11:15, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: New elist program ab <=-


    The Elist is not controlled by Fidonet, but
    provides a service for those who choose to use it.

    To my perception the elist was used to try to control
    certain aspects of Fidonet.

    It is true that the Elist was used by the major systems in various ways.

    Other than that, I think the whole concept has become obsolete.

    Why is it obsolete? It is and always has been a vehicle where
    moderators might list their echos so that people could find out about
    them. What is wrong with that?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Vince Coen on Wed Jan 29 02:03:02 2020
    On 01-28-20 16:19, Vince Coen <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about New elist program ab <=-

    How will you confirm that a submission is from the legitimate
    moderator? Compare to the old list?

    I have also coded up a security group and one thing is that
    all received files
    are checked against
    the mailers log file content checking that :

    Sysop name is correct
    Node address is correct

    What if the moderator of record is not a sysop?

    Are you familar with 4NT or 4DOS? I don't know if there is a version
    that works under linux.

    Both of these if memory serves are super versions of the command processors for NT, OS/2 and Dos

    I have used Bash in a previous incarnation, but have lost all
    familiarity with it as the decades have passed me by. BUT, if my 4NT
    command files would help to give you a template, I would be willing to
    share them with you privately. They may well not be relevant since
    a. You probably do not use the same email processor I use (Eudora) and
    b. They are designed to operate my BBS and not an Elist.

    Let me know one way or the other.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Ward Dossche on Wed Jan 29 10:33:18 2020
    Hello Ward.

    29 Jan 20 08:13, you wrote to mark lewis:

    If it were as you describe it, then it also is the negative-list of
    what isn't there. This negative-list has never stopped distribution systems from carrying 100-proof crap and listing at least 80% of dead echoes, or echoes kept alive by tag-collectors such as Sean Denis.

    If you're going to insult me, at least have enough couth to spell my name right, Mr. Douche.

    If you want to accuse people of being "tag-collectors", you'd better point your finger at Mark Lewis also. Let's not forget Andrew Leary.

    Do you think that your shiny new IC badge gives you the right to wander into things that you previously didn't care about? You always told me that the EList was a "Zone 1 thing" and it "didn't matter to Fidonet internationally".

    Or are you just trying to gain political favor? Fidonet's always been about the politics and power for you and now, with your competitors leaving or simply dying off, are you trying to curry a new generation of sycophants to follow you from echo to echo in Fidonet?

    For that matter, before Ben passed away, he gave me a full backup of his Elist source code written in PowerBASIC. Are you going to whine and bitch at me now about it?

    For God's sake, Ward, go diddle with your beloved Boy Scouts and leave the rest of us the hell alone, You're like a venereal disease: just when you think it's gone away, it flares right back up.

    --- GoldED/2 3.0.1
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  • From Vince Coen@2:2/21 to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 29 20:48:15 2020
    Hello Dale!

    Wednesday January 29 2020 02:03, you wrote to me:

    I have also coded up a security group and one thing is that
    all received files
    are checked against
    the mailers log file content checking that :

    Sysop name is correct
    Node address is correct

    What if the moderator of record is not a sysop?


    That will be a problem.
    Is any moderator not a sysop ?

    If so I am going to have to link the name/address to a system.

    Starts to get a bit some what difficult to security check :)

    I have used Bash in a previous incarnation, but have lost all
    familiarity with it as the decades have passed me by. BUT, if my 4NT command files would help to give you a template, I would be willing to
    share them with you privately. They may well not be relevant since
    a. You probably do not use the same email processor I use (Eudora) and
    b. They are designed to operate my BBS and not an Elist.

    Let me know one way or the other.

    Email processor for this job (elist) can be totally independent of the rest of my systems so that is
    not an issue providing it will run under Linux as I have no wish to downgrade and run my system under
    windoz.

    I do wish to maintain a high level of system security and windoz ain't it..


    Vince

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Vince Coen on Thu Jan 30 01:36:00 2020
    On 01-29-20 20:48, Vince Coen <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about New elist program ab <=-

    Sysop name is correct
    Node address is correct

    What if the moderator of record is not a sysop?


    That will be a problem.
    Is any moderator not a sysop ?

    Yes -- and the moderator of one of the most active echos in fidonet is
    not a sysop, although he is a silent user on my BBS (i.e. he receives
    mail from me as a backup but posts from elsewhere).

    If so I am going to have to link the name/address to a system.

    Starts to get a bit some what difficult to security check :)

    He could send a netmail from my system, or I could do it for him.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Vince Coen on Thu Jan 30 07:05:47 2020
    Re: New elist program ab
    By: Vince Coen to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 29 2020 20:48:15


    That will be a problem.
    Is any moderator not a sysop ?

    yes, the MEMORIES echo is moderated by a non-sysop... there never has been a requirement for moderators to be sysops... only that they have access to netmail...

    then also remember that some of us provide an update service for moderators wherein we send their updates from our systems with our bots... there never was a requirement that the updates or even registrations came from the moderator or a comoderator...


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  • From Vince Coen@2:2/21 to mark lewis on Thu Jan 30 16:55:47 2020
    Hello mark!

    Thursday January 30 2020 07:05, you wrote to me:

    Re: New elist program ab
    By: Vince Coen to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 29 2020 20:48:15


    That will be a problem.
    Is any moderator not a sysop ?

    yes, the MEMORIES echo is moderated by a non-sysop... there never has
    been a requirement for moderators to be sysops... only that they have
    access to netmail...

    then also remember that some of us provide an update service for
    moderators wherein we send their updates from our systems with our
    bots... there never was a requirement that the updates or even
    registrations came from the moderator or a comoderator...


    Problem :) noted - I will have to change it to also accept a address that is in the nodelist.

    This I think will totally break any type of security check and is "beginning" to make this pointless!

    Just as well as I have the code block that does this commented out.

    May have to dump the idea - Oh well so much for 8+ hours of coding and will not have been the first
    time :)

    Wondering if there is any other way but I cannot see it.

    Vince

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Vince Coen on Thu Jan 30 17:16:07 2020
    On 29 Jan 20 20:48:15, Vince Coen said the following to Dale Shipp:

    I do wish to maintain a high level of system security and windoz ain't
    it..

    I respect your opinion, but I've been running Windows Server here for two decades now, after a long stint in the 90's on OS/2. All of my BBS and Fido stuff is all DOS based with essentially Windows being the multi-tasker.

    No security problems, no crashes, no BS.

    I am convinced, with factual evidence, that ZC1 processing cannot operate on any other platform than DOS.

    Nick

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  • From Dale Barnes@1:106/201 to Vince Coen on Fri Jan 31 18:23:08 2020

    A1. Nope all is lost so it is a total re-load.
    A2. No, as of this moment I cannot find suitable tools that
    I can use to :
    Scan incoming emails for a given address
    Pass on the content text ( to a file by choice ).
    Send a email using a text file as input along with a
    sending email addr
    and
    subject line.

    Vince, I have the original database and the passwords, email, etc etc etc.


    --- InterEcho 1.21
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  • From Dale Barnes@1:106/201 to Ward Dossche on Fri Jan 31 23:27:54 2020
    It has been my understanding Dale Barnes was going to deal
    with the ELIST when Ben Ritchey departed us.

    The ECHOLIST-echo paints a totally different picture, as
    does my regular email "in" box.

    I require clarification of who does what sanctioned by
    whom.

    I offered to help redo the app and the job that Ben was doing and had written most of the key items needed but my job and life has been a bit of a challenge to keep things moving. I suspect per my other post and email to you Ward (and others) that that I was taking too much time. I was taking too much time but if others feel that Vince is better suited and able to do the work, I am fine with it and will still continue to work on what I have.

    I have the email function, support the MSG format and converted the original database that Ben was using to a new format I am going to use. I have all the info and passwords that existed before as I worked with Ben's family to get as much of the data that I could after Ben's early departure.

    EList2 that I am working on is based on Ben's work and ideas I was gathering from ECHOBASE (by Dana Bell). While I am not done yet, I could start processing with a bit of manual effort while
    I get time to finish up the app.

    I do not think anyone was sanctioned but folks are trying to step up and get the functions back in place that were lost with Ben. I try and spend as much time as I can coding but I am not retired yet. I had just moved back to Texas just before Ben's passing (huge loss to FidoNet and everyone) and I offered to step up and do what I can but I could not see into the future that my job was going to change like it did. Not bad, just very busy.

    I am not going away anytime soon so I will finish Elist2. I do not plan on letting Ben down or others I said I would do it. I am a bit slow (ok really slow) but I try to do the best job I can. I will admit that at first I wrote the app in a way that was overkill, I was thinking way outside the box and made it more complex (myside) then it needed to be. After talking with you Ward and others, I had to step back and return to basics which required me to recode some of the apps. Does not mean I will not take it to the level I wanted later but for now, keep it simple, make it work and take care of business.

    I will see how fast I can finish up the last part to get this puppy up and running. I owe it to Ben and the others that I stated I would do the job and get it done.

    Sorry for the long message. This does not in any way take away the work, effort that Vince and others have done in the past. If he wants to take on the work, I am fine and happy someone is running with it in memory of Ben.

    I am here to help where I can. The app will support DOS and later versions should include Windows 32/64, Linux 64 bit.

    Again, happy for Vince and whatever Fidonet members want in the way of ELIST support, someone is here to help.

    Said way way too much. Could have been coding instead. <sigh>


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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to mark lewis on Tue Mar 17 15:31:56 2020
    Hello mark!

    Thursday January 30 2020 07:05, you wrote to Vince Coen:

    Re: New elist program ab
    By: Vince Coen to Dale Shipp on Wed Jan 29 2020 20:48:15


    That will be a problem.
    Is any moderator not a sysop ?

    yes, the MEMORIES echo is moderated by a non-sysop... there never has
    been a requirement for moderators to be sysops... only that they have
    access to netmail...

    then also remember that some of us provide an update service for
    moderators wherein we send their updates from our systems with our
    bots... there never was a requirement that the updates or even
    registrations came from the moderator or a comoderator...


    I have no problems with updates / additions sent via any one with a netmail address but I now have
    a wee problem in testing provided contact addressing as in MOD, FROM & if needed REPLY-TO.

    The later I process but don't do much with as all responses from submissions are via:
    ELIST using the FROM address first and last names.
    Direct to the poster using the netmail address element.

    Later I will add sending to the email address if provided, as well.

    I do not look at netmails or echos on a daily basis and if fact can be as long as weekly but I do
    read emails multi times per day, even if only a quick scan and delete the junk and reread when time
    is available usually 2 - 4 times per day.

    I 'assume' that other sysops might be doing the same.

    Programming takes priority even if I am no longer getting paid for it (retired) but trying to
    finish off all previously commercial applications turning them into OS (Open Source) tools or apps.

    As at my age time is getting more err, reduced to do such and no it's 73 in June but one never
    knows what is around the corner :(

    As of to day my elist program appears to be operational with the odd small snag to clear and then
    run a full Add submission to verify all previously existing Elist ECHOs as shown on the last
    ELIST.PRT listing dated May 2019.

    Yes they do not have at the moment passwords, but saying to every one to submit their Echo
    submissions as new MOD-ADD's are no different but as all such are shown in the ELIST echo any one
    can query if some one tries to take any over.

    Another point is that the expiry dates are taken from that report using the last update given so
    most are up for Expiry requiring a MOD-UPD.

    There are a few ECHO entries that are out of date in regard to todays current moderators any way.
    Hopefully all this will settle down over a few weeks.

    Vincent

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