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From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk>
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Subject: bluetooth speaker appears as a keyboard?!?
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I've just received a tiny bluetooth speaker - it's intended for a friend
who wants something for her iPhone so she can use it outdoors with the
'phone in a pocket or pouch, but as she wears hearing aids, she doesn't
want headphones - something that can sit on her shoulder (like a police
set).

I've found this one (Google EC101 bluetooth speaker). I'm _very_ taken
with it - it's well smaller than a matchbox, seems very well made, and
judging by the chimes it makes when you turn it on, it makes sound out
of all proportion to its size. And it has a clip on the back that will
attach it to a shoulder strap. (And it came from China in 9 days - I
ordered it thence as it was half the price UK sellers want it.)

However: I obviously want to test it before giving, so I tried with this
(XP) computer. On the second and subsequent tries the computer sees it
no problem (first time might have been finger trouble) - but thinks it's
a keyboard! (Not only that, but the computer pops up a "type this on
your bluetooth keyboard" so briefly that even if it was a keyboard, I'd
not be able to do it in time.)

Any thoughts? At the moment, I'm thinking that maybe it's incompatible bluetooth versions: it says it's version 4.1, which I'm pretty certain
is a very recent one. I had assumed bluetooth versions were backwards-compatible, but maybe they're not? (FWIW I have another
bluetooth speaker - a much bigger one - which works fine with this
machine.)
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Subject: Re: bluetooth speaker appears as a keyboard?!?
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I've just received a tiny bluetooth speaker - it's intended for a friend
who wants something for her iPhone so she can use it outdoors with the 'phone in a pocket or pouch, but as she wears hearing aids, she doesn't
want headphones - something that can sit on her shoulder (like a police set).

I've found this one (Google EC101 bluetooth speaker). I'm _very_ taken
with it - it's well smaller than a matchbox, seems very well made, and judging by the chimes it makes when you turn it on, it makes sound out
of all proportion to its size. And it has a clip on the back that will attach it to a shoulder strap. (And it came from China in 9 days - I
ordered it thence as it was half the price UK sellers want it.)

However: I obviously want to test it before giving, so I tried with this (XP) computer. On the second and subsequent tries the computer sees it
no problem (first time might have been finger trouble) - but thinks it's
a keyboard! (Not only that, but the computer pops up a "type this on
your bluetooth keyboard" so briefly that even if it was a keyboard, I'd
not be able to do it in time.)

Any thoughts? At the moment, I'm thinking that maybe it's incompatible bluetooth versions: it says it's version 4.1, which I'm pretty certain
is a very recent one. I had assumed bluetooth versions were backwards-compatible, but maybe they're not? (FWIW I have another
bluetooth speaker - a much bigger one - which works fine with this
machine.)

Bluetooth will identify the communication protocol. A driver is still
required to identify the device on the other end of the communications
channel. Since you are posting in a Windows XP newsgroup, presumably
you are trying to test the device on Windows XP. However, I doubt your
friend is toting around a Windows XP computer on a shoulder strap. So
to what type of device will this Bluetooth speaker eventually get
paired? A smartphone?

Since the Bluetooth device got detected as a wireless keyboard, appears
there is no embedded Bluetooth driver for the device type that the
Bluetooth speaker reports as itself to your Windows XP operating system.
I doubt Google is producing or maintaining device drivers for an OS as
old as Windows XP, especially for a new device model. I don't remember
that Windows XP even came with Bluetooth support. When I got a
Bluetooth transceiver as a USB dongle, I had to install the Bluetooth
software for it. Do you have any other Bluetooth devices that have
previously proven to work okay on your Windows XP instance?

Have you ever had Bluetooth used on this Windows XP instance before?
Are you using a Bluetooth daughtercard or USB dongle or some Bluetooth
chip onboard the mobo? Some old Bluetooth chips only support a
data-only Bluetooth profile: no audio or headset pairing. My old mobo
didn't have Bluetooth so I bought a low-profile USB Bluetooth dongle
(ASUS USB BT400) for about $5 and that came with the Bluetooth software
(from some other source) that was needed to use the device and pair it
to other devices. It was $14 w/free shipping back then but I see them
now sold at Newegg for only $3 w/free shipping. I don't remember who
provided the Bluetooth software. One source used to be https://www.broadcom.com/support/bluetooth. They state the drivers have
moved to the Windows Update site (i.e., their drivers are hosted over
there) but you aren't going to get any for Windows XP. Hopefully the
Windows XP Bluetooth driver or software comes with the device.

If the site didn't mention supported operating systems, they figure
whatever you're using has the embedded driver or definition files for
the device type reported via Bluetooth from the device. I suspect your friend's smartphone understands the device type reported by the device.
From what I found online (https://fccid.io/2AK8V-EC101), the "Google"
EC101 is manufactured by Shenzhen Elicks Technology Co. Good luck
finding a technically detailed non-eengwish English manual for that
device. It never mentions standby time, only talk/music time (2 hours).

Regarding backwards compatibility, might be, might not. Often backward compatibility only extends back to some minimal version. Don't know
what version you are using on your Windows XP computer.

https://www.techlicious.com/tip/how-to-solve-bluetooth-pairing-problems/

Also, when pairing, get your cordless phones, microwave ovens, and other
RF devices out of range or further away. If you have a USB 3 port
(unlikely on Windows XP unless you installed a daughtercard), move the
USB Bluetooth transceiver dongle away from the USB 3 port. They can
interfere with BlueTooth and RF wireless devices.

That doesn't mean the Bluetooth chips are backward compatible or support
all functions. That's why I mentioned the Bluetooth in your old Windows
XP might be data-only, no audio. A USB Bluetooth dongle with software
would bring you up to date.

You sure you don't want to wait until you're with your friend to test
the Bluetooth pairing from the speaker to your friend's smartphone?
Even if you got it working on your PC doesn't mean that's a guarantee it
will work with the smartphone.
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Subject: Re: bluetooth speaker appears as a keyboard?!?
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In message <1pvxdc6hkgvh6$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
writes:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]

I've found this one (Google EC101 bluetooth speaker). I'm _very_ taken

Sorry, I meant 'Google "EC101 bluetooth speaker" if you want to see one'
- I didn't put the quotes in as I didn't want people to put them in.
[]

However: I obviously want to test it before giving, so I tried with this
(XP) computer. On the second and subsequent tries the computer sees it
no problem (first time might have been finger trouble) - but thinks it's
a keyboard!

(FWIW I have another
bluetooth speaker - a much bigger one - which works fine with this
machine.)

Bluetooth will identify the communication protocol. A driver is still >required to identify the device on the other end of the communications >channel. Since you are posting in a Windows XP newsgroup, presumably
you are trying to test the device on Windows XP. However, I doubt your

Correct.

friend is toting around a Windows XP computer on a shoulder strap. So
to what type of device will this Bluetooth speaker eventually get
paired? A smartphone?

Yes, an iPhone of some sort.

Since the Bluetooth device got detected as a wireless keyboard, appears
there is no embedded Bluetooth driver for the device type that the
Bluetooth speaker reports as itself to your Windows XP operating system.

I'd guessed that as the most likely explanation.

I doubt Google is producing or maintaining device drivers for an OS as
old as Windows XP, especially for a new device model. I don't remember

I understand the misunderstanding - I meant, above, "Google this to find
it", not that it is a Google product.

that Windows XP even came with Bluetooth support. When I got a

Well, this netbook came with it.
[]

software for it. Do you have any other Bluetooth devices that have >previously proven to work okay on your Windows XP instance?

Yes - as I said above. It's this one:

http://www.revlogistics.co.uk/product_details.php?part_code=SP-ACSOL-414/4845&d escription=Acoustic_Solutions_Bluetooth_Speaker_-_Black_and_Silve r_&cat_desc=HIFIStereo-Systems-&cat_id=AV_DVD%20PLAYER_REV&top=Audio&show_menu= 72

It worked fine, with no need for a driver.

Have you ever had Bluetooth used on this Windows XP instance before?

The above - and another speaker at a friend's house.
[]

If the site didn't mention supported operating systems, they figure

It's ebay item 202024909397 or 142519156516. It says "Connect via
Bluetooth wireless devices, compatible (Android and Apple iOS
smartphones, tablets and other Bluetooth devices)".

whatever you're using has the embedded driver or definition files for
the device type reported via Bluetooth from the device. I suspect your >friend's smartphone understands the device type reported by the device.

I expect so - I'd just like to have made sure it works. I'll try it on
my Windows 7 machine, and failing that my (Android) smartphone.
[]

EC101 is manufactured by Shenzhen Elicks Technology Co. Good luck
finding a technically detailed non-eengwish English manual for that
device. It never mentions standby time, only talk/music time (2 hours).

Regarding backwards compatibility, might be, might not. Often backward >compatibility only extends back to some minimal version. Don't know
what version you are using on your Windows XP computer.

Nor do I (-:

https://www.techlicious.com/tip/how-to-solve-bluetooth-pairing-problems/

Also, when pairing, get your cordless phones, microwave ovens, and other
RF devices out of range or further away. If you have a USB 3 port
(unlikely on Windows XP unless you installed a daughtercard), move the
USB Bluetooth transceiver dongle away from the USB 3 port. They can >interfere with BlueTooth and RF wireless devices.

Yes, the above article says most of those. I have no USB3, and was
holding the unit a few inches from the netbook. (Besides, I don't think
it's a non-pairing problem - the netbook saw it [and only it], and
identified the model (EC101) without being told; it just thought it was
a keyboard not a speaker. FWIW, the XP "Bluetooth Device Selection"
knows about the following types of device: "computers", "PDAs", "phones
and modems", "audio devices", "network access points", "printers,
cameras and scanners", and "mice, keyboards and joysticks".

That doesn't mean the Bluetooth chips are backward compatible or support
all functions. That's why I mentioned the Bluetooth in your old Windows
XP might be data-only, no audio. A USB Bluetooth dongle with software
would bring you up to date.

No, it's worked with speakers before. (In fact I think that's all I've
ever used it for.)

The article you linked above says "Use the latest version of Bluetooth

Wireless speakers and headphones that support the latest Bluetooth 4.1 standard, which launched last December, are better at pairing, Powell
says. Many currently available devices support Bluetooth 3.0, which
launched in 2010, and you can still buy speakers that use 2007's
Bluetooth 2.1 standard. Though Bluetooth's backward compatibility means
that these devices should still be able to connect to smartphones, for example, newer versions of Bluetooth have steadily increased abilities
such as longer-range connections and quicker pairing."

So that sort of _implies_ that a 4.1 device ought to connect to any
earlier version. Well, maybe it is "connecting", but the computer is not recognising it as the right _type_ of device.

You sure you don't want to wait until you're with your friend to test
the Bluetooth pairing from the speaker to your friend's smartphone?

No, as it's a present (-:

Even if you got it working on your PC doesn't mean that's a guarantee it
will work with the smartphone.

True.

Thanks for trying to help! I'll report back when I've tried it on my 7
machine (assuming that actually has bluetooth!), and failing that my smartphone.
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