On 5/28/2012 1:07 AM, HECTOR SANTOS wrote to GREG YOUNGBLOOD:rings,
Apparently Microsoft escalated the Security between the Level
Perhapsbetween device drivers and the APPLICATION.
Google the words:
MSDN Windows 2008 VdmAllowed
And you will find a series of articles. I am reading them now.
about.there is a registry VdmAllowed that I see one of the finds talk
Microsoft made 1 promise back in the 1990s:
Support WIN32 and we will guarantee it work with all Windows.
Win32 is at the APPLICATION/USER level. They kept that promise but
when it some to DEVICE DRIVERS, they never made that promise.
Apparently Microsoft escalated the Security between the Level rings, between device drivers and the APPLICATION.
Google the words:
MSDN Windows 2008 VdmAllowed
And you will find a series of articles. I am reading them now. Perhaps there is a registry VdmAllowed that I see one of the finds talk about.
Microsoft made 1 promise back in the 1990s:
Support WIN32 and we will guarantee it work with all Windows.
Win32 is at the APPLICATION/USER level. They kept that promise but
when it some to DEVICE DRIVERS, they never made that promise.
But Wildcat! didn't change, MS did. So it could help to post a message
in their forums to see if they have work around.
I am going to look for an HOPE that it is a security thing and they
left a registry option to enable it.
The problem with Microsoft is that someone finds a security issue for
THEIR DEVICE DRIVERS, they do something that breaks others.
The last time that happen was with RPC remote client/server
communications where they broke the ability for Wildcat! Server to run
on one machine and run clients, like wcOnline on another machine. To
get it back, you had to change a registry option and WCSERVER.EXE had
to say "its ok to run the old way." That was all because of THEIR
SECURITY BUGS with PORT 450 and their DNS RPC server.
If you want to help research or ask Microsoft directly, that will be
great. But cross our fingers because if they BROKE it for 2008 and WCDOORNT.DLL no longer works, well, I don't know what do yet, but it
ain't going to be a while if that is the case. It may not be a big
deal, but its time to FIGURE OUT what they did and what is the
solution. It was not our FAULT. :)
Did you find anything out on your end with Microsoft getting 16 doors to work with Win2008?
doors toDid you find anything out on your end with Microsoft getting 16
work with Win2008?
If you are talking about 16-bit DOS applications running under the
64-bit version of Server 2008, then they won't.
Hello Hector
I know your busy with Winserver 7.0
But I know this would take you too much time to engineer a switch to use DOSX or the option to use DOS BOX being it is a stronger version of DOS.
And also it is freeware on the internet for old DOS games and programs.
I have posted on three Windows message boards about DOSX working with Windows 2003 32bit but not 2008 32 bit, have not heard a word yet.
If you could point me too the right Microsoft message area for this topic it would help.
Also I've been thinking about WinServer 7.0 but I have not seen any
topics about what it is all about (improvements) Can you give a list of
the changes so as I/We know what we are signing up for to upgrade to?
Thanks
Greg
The configuration most sysops has agreed on is:
1. An up to date 32/64 bit OS
2. Installation of a Virtualisation environment such as Virtualbox
3. Install an old DOS friendly OS in the VM environment
4. Install wcOnline in the VM and run DOS doors with the VM/OS
The configuration most sysops has agreed on is:
1. An up to date 32/64 bit OS
2. Installation of a Virtualisation environment such as Virtualbox
3. Install an old DOS friendly OS in the VM environment
4. Install wcOnline in the VM and run DOS doors with the VM/OS
Hello Mike
Could you give me a little more detail on this subject.
Funnny I was going down that road already, I have VirtualBOX installed already and DOS in that environment my question is how do you go from
when you make a command like (1) lord to run the door and a normal
windows DOSx window opens to then opening a virtual window with DOS other then to a shared folder in that environment?
Also do I only need wc online.exe in that DOS environment and what does that do for me?
Thanks for the help.
Greg
Gregto a
Lets say you are a hobbyist sysop with
1. A single computer
2. One Static IP
3. A 64-bit non DOS Friendly Host OS
4. Access to an older OS such as Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Step 1
On the 64 Bit Host computer you would install Virtualbox
https://www.virtualbox.org/
Step 2
Within Virtualbox you Would create a New VM for say Windows 2000/XP
Step 3
You would customize the VM as needed and in particular set networking
Bridged Network Configuration with a static private IPsetting up
Step 4
You would follow the normal Wildcat! networking instructions for
a second machine running just wcOnline and the core DLL'sother
Refer to Hectors Knowledge base article on wildcat networking.
Step 5
Once your Host OS PC and VM PC Wildcat installs are talking to each
you would then setup the DOS Doors on the VM DOS Friendly machine.Machine
Step 6
In DNS you would add a new A or CNAME record for the VM Machine say
doors.mydomain.com
Step 7
On your modem/router you would redirect all Telnet traffic to the VM
Step 8rather
When everything tests OK you would switch the VM OS to Headless Mode
than GUI Mode so that it becomes a simple task rather than a desktop application64bit
Summary
So you would end up with all your DOS doors running on the VM not the
Host Machine. The only downside for a single IP Address would beusers not
being able to Telnet into the Host PC just the VM Machine. Naturallyif
you have multiple public IP'S then there is no downside.very
DOS
I am aware of one sysop running DOS in a VM Under Virtualbox with a
old version of Wildcat! for local and dial-up access only. For IPlayer
access and to stay up to date with Wins a GUI TCP ready OS is a betterway
to go.
I hope this helps
Mike
On 10/27/2012 7:08 AM, MICHAEL PURDY wrote to GREG YOUNGBLOOD:
Greg
Lets say you are a hobbyist sysop with
1. A single computer
2. One Static IP
3. A 64-bit non DOS Friendly Host OS
4. Access to an older OS such as Windows 2000 or Windows XP
Step 1
On the 64 Bit Host computer you would install Virtualbox
https://www.virtualbox.org/
Step 2
Within Virtualbox you Would create a New VM for say Windows 2000/XP
Step 3
You would customize the VM as needed and in particular set networkingto a
Bridged Network Configuration with a static private IP
Step 4
You would follow the normal Wildcat! networking instructions forsetting up
a second machine running just wcOnline and the core DLL's
Refer to Hectors Knowledge base article on wildcat networking.
Step 5
Once your Host OS PC and VM PC Wildcat installs are talking to eachother
you would then setup the DOS Doors on the VM DOS Friendly machine.
Step 6
In DNS you would add a new A or CNAME record for the VM Machine say
doors.mydomain.com
Step 7
On your modem/router you would redirect all Telnet traffic to the VMMachine
Step 8
When everything tests OK you would switch the VM OS to Headless Moderather
than GUI Mode so that it becomes a simple task rather than a desktop application
Summary
So you would end up with all your DOS doors running on the VM not the64bit
Host Machine. The only downside for a single IP Address would beusers not
being able to Telnet into the Host PC just the VM Machine. Naturallyif
you have multiple public IP'S then there is no downside.
DOS
I am aware of one sysop running DOS in a VM Under Virtualbox with avery
old version of Wildcat! for local and dial-up access only. For IPlayer
access and to stay up to date with Wins a GUI TCP ready OS is a betterway
to go.
I hope this helps
Mike
Hello Mike
Thanks for the info, I'll be working on it tomorrow and see what I come
up with in the next week or two.
Thank you for your time and info, laughing I maybe ask something again or do a lot of internet reading.
Greg
Gregoverhead
I do a lot of commercial work with Virtualbox so if you have any issues
then yell out.
Some key points are:
1. Run GUI Virtual Hosts as Headless to minimize memory and processor
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