• 3/5 National Snack Day 5

    From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to All on Mon Mar 4 17:08:00 2024
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    Title: Furikake Snack Mix
    Categories: Snacks, Vegetables, Sauces, Herbs
    Yield: 12 servings

    6 oz Unsalted butter
    3 tb Light agave syrup
    3 tb Soy sauce
    2 tb Gochugaru
    1 ts Kosher salt
    4 1/4 oz Pack spicy Korean ramen;
    - spice packet reserved,
    - noodles broken in bite-
    - sized pieces
    2 5/8 oz Pack shrimp crackers; or
    - sub with extra oyster
    - crackers
    2 c Waffled rice cereal (Rice
    - Chex)
    2 c Honey-flavored corn & oat
    - cereal (Honeycomb)
    2 c Thin, 3" long pretzel
    - sticks
    2 c Oyster crackers
    1 c Wasabi peas
    4 Sheets toasted nori; torn in
    - 1/2" to-1" pieces
    2 tb Toasted sesame seeds

    Set the oven @ 275ºF/135ºC.

    Line two 13" X 18" baking sheets with parchment paper;
    set aside.

    In a small saucepan, combine butter, agave syrup, soy
    sauce, gochugaru, salt and the spice packet from the
    ramen. Cook over medium heat until the butter is melted
    and slightly bubbling, 3 to 4 minutes. Turn off the heat
    and set aside to allow the gochugaru to bloom.

    In a large bowl, combine the ramen noodles with the
    shrimp crackers, rice cereal, honey-flavored cereal,
    pretzel sticks, oyster crackers, wasabi peas and nori.

    Drizzle half of the warm, spicy butter over the crunchy
    mixture and toss to coat. Drizzle with the remaining
    butter and toss to coat again until all of the pieces
    are coated.

    Divide the mixture evenly between the two prepared
    baking sheets and spread into even layers. Sprinkle each
    with 1 tablespoon toasted sesame seeds.

    Bake until the mixture has dried and toasted, 25 to 35
    minutes, switching the sheet pans between racks and
    tossing the mixture every 10 minutes. Let cool
    completely before serving (about 20 minutes).

    Snack mix will keep 1 week in an airtight container.

    By: Sue Li

    Yield: 12 servings (about 14 cups)

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 5 14:07:36 2024
    Re: 3/5 National Snack Day 5
    By: Dave Drum to All on Mon Mar 04 2024 05:08 pm

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    Title: Furikake Snack Mix
    Categories: Snacks, Vegetables, Sauces, Herbs
    Yield: 12 servings

    6 oz Unsalted butter
    3 tb Light agave syrup
    3 tb Soy sauce
    2 tb Gochugaru
    1 ts Kosher salt
    4 1/4 oz Pack spicy Korean ramen;
    - spice packet reserved,
    - noodles broken in bite-
    - sized pieces
    2 5/8 oz Pack shrimp crackers; or
    - sub with extra oyster
    - crackers
    2 c Waffled rice cereal (Rice
    - Chex)
    2 c Honey-flavored corn & oat
    - cereal (Honeycomb)
    2 c Thin, 3" long pretzel
    - sticks
    2 c Oyster crackers
    1 c Wasabi peas
    4 Sheets toasted nori; torn in
    - 1/2" to-1" pieces
    2 tb Toasted sesame seeds

    Set the oven @ 275ºF/135ºC.

    Line two 13" X 18" baking sheets with parchment paper;
    set aside.

    In a small saucepan, combine butter, agave syrup, soy
    sauce, gochugaru, salt and the spice packet from the
    ramen. Cook over medium heat until the butter is melted
    and slightly bubbling, 3 to 4 minutes. Turn off the heat
    and set aside to allow the gochugaru to bloom.

    In a large bowl, combine the ramen noodles with the
    shrimp crackers, rice cereal, honey-flavored cereal,
    pretzel sticks, oyster crackers, wasabi peas and nori.

    Drizzle half of the warm, spicy butter over the crunchy
    mixture and toss to coat. Drizzle with the remaining
    butter and toss to coat again until all of the pieces
    are coated.

    Divide the mixture evenly between the two prepared
    baking sheets and spread into even layers. Sprinkle each
    with 1 tablespoon toasted sesame seeds.

    Bake until the mixture has dried and toasted, 25 to 35
    minutes, switching the sheet pans between racks and
    tossing the mixture every 10 minutes. Let cool
    completely before serving (about 20 minutes).

    Snack mix will keep 1 week in an airtight container.

    By: Sue Li

    Yield: 12 servings (about 14 cups)

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

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    ... Whenever, I think about exercise, I lie down 'til the thought passes.

    LOL! I bought a new brand of mixed little rice cracker snacks (my usual is a different store). Tey look pretty but weren't spiced much so I fixed it.

    1 cup mixed snackies
    spritz of canola oil from oil mister
    sprinkle with a little medium chile powder and furikake that is heavy on seaweed and sesame

    Snap lid and shake well. Heat in microwave for 20 seconds then toss and another 20 seconds. Ready!

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 6 06:03:36 2024
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    Title: Furikake Snack Mix
    Categories: Snacks, Vegetables, Sauces, Herbs
    Yield: 12 servings

    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    ... Whenever, I think about exercise, I lie down 'til the thought passes.

    LOL! I bought a new brand of mixed little rice cracker snacks (my
    usual is a different store). Tey look pretty but weren't spiced much
    so I fixed it.

    1 cup mixed snackies
    spritz of canola oil from oil mister
    sprinkle with a little medium chile powder and furikake that is heavy
    on seaweed and sesame

    When you say chile powder do you mean ground chilies or a pre-mixed
    chile spice mix? My ground chile is mostly Thai Nam Prik (red/ripe) or
    cayenne. Green powder tens to be from dried unripened serranos.

    Snap lid and shake well. Heat in microwave for 20 seconds then toss
    and another 20 seconds. Ready!

    I've not tried that snack mix. I'll have to ask at the Asian market for
    the furikake next time I'm in picking up miso for soup making and other
    uses.

    Here's my usual snacking mix - I've been using Dot's Pretzel sticks in
    it since I discovered them. They're also good by themselves ... if a
    bit more "pricy" than Gardetto's or similar.

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    Title: Scrabble (Party Mix)
    Categories: Cereal, Nuts, Snacks
    Yield: 1 1/2 quarts

    1 c Rice Chex
    1 c Cheerios
    1 c Peanuts
    1 c Pecans
    2 c Pretzels
    1/2 lb Butter
    1 ts Garlic salt
    1 ts Onion salt
    1 ts Celery salt
    1 ts Worcestershire sauce

    Melt butter and add seasonings. Mix thoroughly with other
    ingredients in a shallow pan.

    Bake at 250ºF/120ºC for 1 hour. Stir every 15 minutes.

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to ' on Thu Mar 7 13:32:08 2024
    Re: Re: 3/5 National Snack Day 5
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 06 2024 06:03 am


    I like you snack mix too but Don still needs reduced salt options so ....
    xxcarol
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 8 06:40:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to ' <=-

    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 06 2024 06:03 am

    I like you snack mix too but Don still needs reduced salt options so

    My housemate, Dennis, recently had a heart cath done for a 95% blocked
    artery. And, of course, the cardio guy gave him the conventional "No
    salt!" talk.

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him get
    some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and pacemaker
    implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you over-do.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to affect
    my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases
    are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

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    Title: Nu Salt Potato Soup
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 6 servings

    2 tb Unsalted butter
    1 1/2 c Thin sliced onion
    1/3 c Chopped bell pepper
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    4 sm Potatoes; pared, coarse
    - chopped
    2 1/2 c Milk
    1/2 c Low-sodium chicken broth
    3/4 ts Nu-Salt?
    1/4 ts Pepper
    Minced chives or fresh
    - parsley; garnish

    In saucepan in melted butter, cook and stir onion, green
    pepper and garlic about 5 minutes. Add potatoes, milk,
    chicken broth, Nu-Salt and pepper; simmer 30-40 minutes.
    Pour into blender; puree. Garnish with chives or
    parsley.

    Makes 6 2/3-cup servings.

    DIABETIC EXCHANGES: 1 vegetable exchange, 1/2 bread
    exchange, 1/2 milk exchange, 1 fat exchange

    RECIPE FROM: http://nusalt.com/recipes

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Fri Mar 8 12:47:45 2024
    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 08 2024 06:40 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to ' <=-

    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 06 2024 06:03 am

    I like you snack mix too but Don still needs reduced salt options so

    My housemate, Dennis, recently had a heart cath done for a 95% blocked artery. And, of course, the cardio guy gave him the conventional "No
    salt!" talk.

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him get
    some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you over-do.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to affect
    my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases
    are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

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    Title: Nu Salt Potato Soup
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 6 servings

    2 tb Unsalted butter
    1 1/2 c Thin sliced onion
    1/3 c Chopped bell pepper
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    4 sm Potatoes; pared, coarse
    - chopped
    2 1/2 c Milk
    1/2 c Low-sodium chicken broth
    3/4 ts Nu-Salt?
    1/4 ts Pepper
    Minced chives or fresh
    - parsley; garnish

    In saucepan in melted butter, cook and stir onion, green
    pepper and garlic about 5 minutes. Add potatoes, milk,
    chicken broth, Nu-Salt and pepper; simmer 30-40 minutes.
    Pour into blender; puree. Garnish with chives or
    parsley.

    Makes 6 2/3-cup servings.

    DIABETIC EXCHANGES: 1 vegetable exchange, 1/2 bread
    exchange, 1/2 milk exchange, 1 fat exchange

    RECIPE FROM: http://nusalt.com/recipes

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    ... "When somebody says it's not about the money, it's about the money." encken

    Ah. Wrong version. Morton's 'Lite Salt' is what you want. No oddball flavor.
    50% less sodium and won't cause your potasium blood reading so much trouble. Also, unless you or Dennis believe the internet rumor (debunked totally, Doctor lost his license to practice for falsified data), add msg but just literally a pinch or 2. It's umami replaces salt desire. Besure to taste the food before salting if adding a pinch between thumb and forefinger as it may not need any.

    You can make the same recipe with 2 pinches of msg and 1/2 that nu salt but with morton's lite salt in it's place.

    Don's been on it since about 2003.

    xxcarol
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 9 07:16:06 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him get
    some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you over-do.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to affect
    my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases
    are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Nu Salt Potato Soup
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 6 servings

    Ah. Wrong version. Morton's 'Lite Salt' is what you want. No oddball flavor. 50% less sodium and won't cause your potasium blood reading so much trouble. Also, unless you or Dennis believe the internet rumor (debunked totally, Doctor lost his license to practice for falsified data), add msg but just literally a pinch or 2. It's umami replaces
    salt desire. Besure to taste the food before salting if adding a pinch between thumb and forefinger as it may not need any.

    You can make the same recipe with 2 pinches of msg and 1/2 that nu salt but with morton's lite salt in it's place.

    Don's been on it since about 2003.

    Thanks for the head-zup. The task now it to get Dithers educated AND
    paying attention. I've pointed him to a Consumwer Reports page that is
    a nice primer on "How Salt Substitutes Really Taste". I may have to pull
    a gun on him to get him to read it. He's very resistant to anything not
    in his direct experience. https://tinyurl.com/SALT-NO-MORE

    I used to take potassium tablets (99mg X 2) to replace the potassium
    that went out my body with the pee pills that I was prescribed. The
    croaker cut the dosage of Lasix in half - so I was able to drop the
    extra potassium.

    I have a sort of allergy to MSG - in that I get a red face, sweats, and "cotton mouth" if I get overloaded on it. And it seems to be a fine line.
    There are soe Oriental venues here that I cannot patronise because of the
    MSG overloads.

    I do use miso, especially when soup making. Mostly white miso - but it's
    pretty salty - about half the recommended daily amount of sodium in a tsp. Still, it adds umami so I use it. The red miso adds even deeper flavour,
    but I don't use it as often.

    And I use Minor's soup bases for many soups and stews since it has far
    less sodium than bouillon or most store soup base. I get it at Gordon
    Food Service (a restaurant/commercial supplier) locally since I ran the
    USDA establishment number on the product and learned that their house
    brand is Monior's with a GFS label. Bv)=

    As the old philosopher said, "We live and we learn. Or we don't live
    long." I've found that to be true.

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    Title: Shrimp Florentine
    Categories: Seafood, Greens, Dairy, Cheese, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    40 oz (4 pkg) spinach; thawed,
    - drained
    3 lb Shrimp; tail off, cooked
    1/2 c Butter
    3 lg Eggs; beaten
    1 1/2 c Heavy cream
    2 c Water
    +=MIXED WITH=+
    1 tb Minor's Shrimp Base
    1/4 c Chopped scallions
    Salt, pepper & paprika
    8 oz Shredded Cheddar cheese

    Preheat oven to 350ºF/175ºC.

    Spread shrimp in the bottom of a casserole dish and top
    with the spinach. Place beaten eggs, cream, water, soup
    base, scallion and spices in a large saucepan and cook
    over medium heat until mixture starts to thicken, stirring
    constantly. Pour over the shrimp and spinach and top with
    cheese. Bake uncovered for about 35 minutes until bubbly.

    Serves 8. (or four at my house)

    From: http://www.recipelink.com

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 9 18:27:19 2024
    //Hello Dave,//

    on *09.03.24* at *7:16:06* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Carol Shenkenberger* about *"Re: Reduced salt"*.

    https://tinyurl.com/SALT-NO-MORE
    MSG (monosodium glutamate) combines sodium with glutamate, an amino acid, a building block of protein found in many foods, such as mushrooms, tomatoes, and Parmesan cheese. Glutamate, and MSG, adds umami to food. Called the fifth taste, umami is a complex, deep savory flavor that's imparted by glutamate; it enhances salt perception. MSG contains two-thirds less sodium than salt, so adding a little can bump up the flavor in lower-sodium foods, says Taylor Wallace, PhD, an adjunct professor of food and nutrition studies at George Mason University.

    According to the Food and Drug Administration, the glutamate in MSG is chemically indistinguishable from the glutamate found naturally in foods. The average person consumes about 13 grams of glutamate a day from the foods they eat. There have been reports that MSG can cause headaches, nausea, and other issues, but "studies haven't shown any consistent effects in people who say they're sensitive, even when they consume foods with high levels of MSG," Wallace says.

    A review of research conducted by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology in 1995 (commissioned by the FDA) found that the symptoms did occur in some sensitive people who consumed 3,000 mg or more of MSG in one sitting without food, but the FDA says that consuming that much is unlikely, given that MSG is used on food, and a typical dish seasoned with MSG has 500 mg or less. In 2017, a report from the European Food Safety Authority noted that symptoms are rarely seen at intakes below 3,000 mg and concluded that an acceptable daily intake is 14.5 mg per pound of body weight (2,175 mg for a 150-pound person).

    We tried: Ac'cent (480 mg of sodium per teaspoon). A ?-teaspoon serving has 500 mg of MSG and 60 mg of sodium. Testers thought it added a savory, brothlike taste instead of a salty one. They liked it on popcorn, saying that it gave the snack a "pleasant savory flavor." The only downside was that when sprinkled on rice and eggs, it added a slightly metallic note. Be careful shaking it out of the container. "The holes were bigger than what you see on a saltshaker, so the product poured out pretty fast," Keating says. "Pour some into your hand and then sprinkle on the food."

    Regards,
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 9 13:43:34 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 09 2024 07:16 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him get some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you over-do.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to affect my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

    It might be salt doesn't affect you much. New studies (scientific, not bogus) show only 49% of us are affected by salt. Because that number is 'high', Doctors will still universally recommend low sodium to avoid lawsuits. Safer for them. I know from Japan that Don is salt reactive but not super reactive, and I am non-reactive.

    Ah. Wrong version. Morton's 'Lite Salt' is what you want. No oddball flavor. 50% less sodium and won't cause your potasium blood reading so much trouble. Also, unless you or Dennis believe the internet rumor (debunked totally, Doctor lost his license to practice for falsified data), add msg but just literally a pinch or 2. It's umami replaces salt desire. Besure to taste the food before salting if adding a pinch between thumb and forefinger as it may not need any.

    You can make the same recipe with 2 pinches of msg and 1/2 that nu salt but with morton's lite salt in it's place.

    Don's been on it since about 2003.

    Thanks for the head-zup. The task now it to get Dithers educated AND
    paying attention. I've pointed him to a Consumwer Reports page that is
    a nice primer on "How Salt Substitutes Really Taste". I may have to pull
    a gun on him to get him to read it. He's very resistant to anything not
    in his direct experience. https://tinyurl.com/SALT-NO-MORE

    I used to take potassium tablets (99mg X 2) to replace the potassium
    that went out my body with the pee pills that I was prescribed. The
    croaker cut the dosage of Lasix in half - so I was able to drop the
    extra potassium.

    I have a sort of allergy to MSG - in that I get a red face, sweats, and "cotton mouth" if I get overloaded on it. And it seems to be a fine line. There are soe Oriental venues here that I cannot patronise because of the MSG overloads.

    I do use miso, especially when soup making. Mostly white miso - but it's pretty salty - about half the recommended daily amount of sodium in a tsp. Still, it adds umami so I use it. The red miso adds even deeper flavour,
    but I don't use it as often.

    And I use Minor's soup bases for many soups and stews since it has far
    less sodium than bouillon or most store soup base. I get it at Gordon
    Food Service (a restaurant/commercial supplier) locally since I ran the
    USDA establishment number on the product and learned that their house
    brand is Monior's with a GFS label. Bv)=

    As the old philosopher said, "We live and we learn. Or we don't live
    long." I've found that to be true.

    Ok on the change resistance. Don is somewhat like that.

    I run high potassium (just barely out of norms) but it's diet related. LOTS of dark leafy greens in our diet. Don gets mad at me as he says I'm trying to keep him healthy (grin).

    On the msg, just pinces, takes no more than that for this effect. It's used here at 1 pinch for every 3.5 cups. That probably 1/16th of a tsp?


    xxcarol





























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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Denis Mosko on Sat Mar 9 15:35:09 2024
    Re: MonoSodium Glutamate. Was: Reduced salt
    By: Denis Mosko to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 09 2024 06:27 pm

    //Hello Dave,//

    on *09.03.24* at *7:16:06* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Carol Shenkenberger* about *"Re: Reduced salt"*.

    https://tinyurl.com/SALT-NO-MORE
    MSG (monosodium glutamate) combines sodium with glutamate, an amino acid, a building block of protein found in many foods, such as mushrooms, tomatoes, Parmesan cheese. Glutamate, and MSG, adds umami to food. Called the fifth taste, umami is a complex, deep savory flavor that's imparted by glutamate; enhances salt perception. MSG contains two-thirds less sodium than salt, so adding a little can bump up the flavor in lower-sodium foods, says Taylor Wallace, PhD, an adjunct professor of food and nutrition studies at George Mason University.

    According to the Food and Drug Administration, the glutamate in MSG is chemically indistinguishable from the glutamate found naturally in foods. Th average person consumes about 13 grams of glutamate a day from the foods the eat. There have been reports that MSG can cause headaches, nausea, and other issues, but "studies haven't shown any consistent effects in people who say they're sensitive, even when they consume foods with high levels of MSG," Wallace says.

    A review of research conducted by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology in 1995 (commissioned by the FDA) found that the sympto did occur in some sensitive people who consumed 3,000 mg or more of MSG in o sitting without food, but the FDA says that consuming that much is unlikely, given that MSG is used on food, and a typical dish seasoned with MSG has 500 or less. In 2017, a report from the European Food Safety Authority noted tha symptoms are rarely seen at intakes below 3,000 mg and concluded that an acceptable daily intake is 14.5 mg per pound of body weight (2,175 mg for a 150-pound person).

    We tried: Ac'cent (480 mg of sodium per teaspoon). A ?-teaspoon serving has mg of MSG and 60 mg of sodium. Testers thought it added a savory, brothlike taste instead of a salty one. They liked it on popcorn, saying that it gave snack a "pleasant savory flavor." The only downside was that when sprinkled rice and eggs, it added a slightly metallic note. Be careful shaking it out the container. "The holes were bigger than what you see on a saltshaker, so product poured out pretty fast," Keating says. "Pour some into your hand and then sprinkle on the food."

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    Yes but warning. Folks have high emotional reaction to the idea that msg is actually safe. It's hard to get past fears followed for up to 40 years. If you tell a person with those fears that this dish has msg, they develop an immediate headache for example.

    BTW, the 'pinch' I am using is probably 10mg or less.

    On the accent product, better to get the tins of it. The tins are quite pretty and I got 1 lb of it in a nice tin back in 2003. I've used maybe 1/2 cup in 20 years... Anything with a removable lid so you can get a pinch, works well.

    I probably have used most of it with making homemade vegetable broth. There's no real recipe for it as it's based on the produce we have used in the preceeding weeks, kept in bags in the freezer. All of it is something no longer totally 'fresh' but never moldy or nasty. Think rubbery carrots. liimp lettuce, peels and ends of any vegetables except the potato types (I like a clear broth). Onion skins, cores of cabbage or cauliflower, turnip peelings, carrot ends, sliced radishes that are gone rubbery. Wilted bok choy. Ends of summer squashes, mushroom woody stems, limp celery, etc. Add to 6quart stockpot then fill with waterto i inch from top and simmer 3-4 hours. 1 tsp salt needed plus 1/8 ts msg. yield is 1 gallon or just under it. You discard all veggies and strain though paper towels. Used in all sorts of cooking here.

    xxcarol
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 10 07:18:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him get some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you over-do.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to affect my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

    It might be salt doesn't affect you much. New studies (scientific, not bogus) show only 49% of us are affected by salt. Because that number
    is 'high', Doctors will still universally recommend low sodium to avoid lawsuits. Safer for them. I know from Japan that Don is salt reactive but not super reactive, and I am non-reactive.

    The old "bandwagon" syndrome. Common wisdom is not always wise. Bv)=
    And we're all individuals

    8<----- SLASH ----->8

    As the old philosopher said, "We live and we learn. Or we don't live
    long." I've found that to be true.

    Ok on the change resistance. Don is somewhat like that.

    I run high potassium (just barely out of norms) but it's diet related. LOTS of dark leafy greens in our diet. Don gets mad at me as he says
    I'm trying to keep him healthy (grin).

    Since the croaker cut my pee pill dosage in half my potassium levels
    have returned to the normal range .... mostly because I quit with the
    extra potassium sulfate tabs.

    On the msg, just pinces, takes no more than that for this effect. It's used here at 1 pinch for every 3.5 cups. That probably 1/16th of a
    tsp?

    I found a shaker of Accent in a back corner of my spice/condiment cabinet.
    I'll probably, if I use it at all, use it very sparingly. I have enough ways
    to enhance flavours to suit me - for the most part.

    Making this for tonight's supper as I amm having my brother and hiS wife
    over. I'll do short pasta instead of rice because Phil has an aversion
    to rice from his Vietnam service. And I'm using chilli-grind (coarse)
    chuck in place of the ground round. If it liiks too "greasy" I'll save
    the fat for other purposes. Bv)=

    I really like broccoli-beef and using the ground meat puts it into the
    range of "frugal" ... which is a plus as it doesn't give up any flavour.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Ground Beef & Broccoli Stir Fry
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Sauces, Herbs, Rice
    Yield: 4 servings

    1 c Water
    6 tb Soy sauce
    3 tb (packed) light brown sugar
    1 tb Cornstarch or arrowroot
    3 cl Garlic; minced
    1 tb Minced fresh ginger
    2 ts Unseasoned rice vinegar
    3 tb Oil; divided
    12 oz Fresh broccoli florets
    1 lb Ground round
    1/2 ts Kosher salt
    2 ts Toasted sesame seeds; opt
    2 Green onions; thin sliced;
    - opt
    Steamed white rice; to serve

    MAKE THE SAUCE: Whisk together the water, soy sauce,
    brown sugar, cornstarch, garlic, ginger, and rice
    vinegar in a medium bowl until combined and the sugar is
    dissolved. Set aside.

    COOK THE BROCCOLI: Heat 2 tablespoons of the oil in a
    large nonstick skillet over medium-high until
    shimmering. Add the broccoli and cook, stirring
    occasionally, until tender-crisp and blackened in spots,
    6 to 7 minutes. Transfer broccoli to a large bowl; set
    aside.

    BROWN THE BEEF AND ADD THE SAUCE: Reduce the heat to
    medium and add the remaining 1 tablespoon of oil to the
    skillet. Add the ground beef and sprinkle with salt.
    Cook, stirring occasionally to break the meat into
    crumbles, until browned, about 5 minutes.

    Add the sauce. Cook, stirring constantly, until sauce
    thickens slightly and flavors meld, about 3 minutes.

    ASSEMBLE AND SERVE: Return the broccoli to the skillet
    and cook, stirring constantly, until the sauce has
    thickened and evenly coats meat and vegetables, about 3
    minutes. Top with sesame seeds and scallions (if using).
    Serve over steamed white rice.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.simplyrecipes.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 9 11:33:29 2024
    Hi Dave,


    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 06 2024 06:03 am

    I like you snack mix too but Don still needs reduced salt options so

    My housemate, Dennis, recently had a heart cath done for a 95% blocked artery. And, of course, the cardio guy gave him the conventional "No salt!" talk.

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him
    get some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and
    pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you
    over-do.

    I did similar when I was diagnosed with hypertension. Tried all kinds of
    low/no salt alternatives and found they did nothing to reduce the blood pressure. Turned out it was kicked in by one of my asthma meds and
    something called hyperaldosteronism. One of the side effects was that my potassium levels kept bottoming out and I'd end up in the ER. Once that
    was diagnosed and treated, the blood pressure went down. In the
    meantime, I went back to using real salt, tho in smaller amounts.


    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to
    affect my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But,
    all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others.
    Bv)=

    Agreed, that's where having a good doctor, one that's willing to listen
    to you and work with you is so important.

    Meanwhile, a new Indian restaurant opened up in town recently and Steve
    had been wanting to try it. We finally did, last night--got butter
    chicken, whole wheat roti and lentil soup to go. I was less than
    impressed with the soup but the chicken and roti were really good. The
    chicken came with white basmati rice but the sauce pretty much
    overpowered any taste to the rice. We'll probably go back there, don't
    know when.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Sun Mar 10 13:56:03 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 10 2024 07:18 am


    I like the ground beef idea in the Broccoli beef dish.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Mar 10 14:09:18 2024
    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 09 2024 11:33 am

    Hi Dave,


    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 06 2024 06:03 am

    I like you snack mix too but Don still needs reduced salt options so

    My housemate, Dennis, recently had a heart cath done for a 95% blocked artery. And, of course, the cardio guy gave him the conventional "No salt!" talk.

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him
    get some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and
    pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you over-do.

    I did similar when I was diagnosed with hypertension. Tried all kinds of low/no salt alternatives and found they did nothing to reduce the blood pressure. Turned out it was kicked in by one of my asthma meds and
    something called hyperaldosteronism. One of the side effects was that my potassium levels kept bottoming out and I'd end up in the ER. Once that
    was diagnosed and treated, the blood pressure went down. In the
    meantime, I went back to using real salt, tho in smaller amounts.


    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to
    affect my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

    Agreed, that's where having a good doctor, one that's willing to listen
    to you and work with you is so important.

    Meanwhile, a new Indian restaurant opened up in town recently and Steve
    had been wanting to try it. We finally did, last night--got butter
    chicken, whole wheat roti and lentil soup to go. I was less than
    impressed with the soup but the chicken and roti were really good. The chicken came with white basmati rice but the sauce pretty much
    overpowered any taste to the rice. We'll probably go back there, don't
    know when.


    I;m not really impressed with many India-type dishes but they have some nifty flat breads that I do from time to time. Like Naan.

    xxcarol















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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Mar 11 05:38:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My housemate, Dennis, recently had a heart cath done for a 95% blocked artery. And, of course, the cardio guy gave him the conventional "No salt!" talk.

    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him
    get some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and
    pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you
    over-do.

    I did similar when I was diagnosed with hypertension. Tried all kinds
    of low/no salt alternatives and found they did nothing to reduce the
    blood pressure. Turned out it was kicked in by one of my asthma meds
    and something called hyperaldosteronism. One of the side effects was
    that my potassium levels kept bottoming out and I'd end up in the ER.
    Once that was diagnosed and treated, the blood pressure went down.
    In the meantime, I went back to using real salt, tho in smaller amounts.

    Ain't it a b ...ear when your medicine tries to kill you? I had to go to
    Bing and look up "hyperaldosteronism". I've already got damage to my
    kidneys I can do without having a problem with the adrenal glands.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to
    affect my BP nor make my feet swell or any of the other gotchas. But,
    all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others.
    Bv)=

    Agreed, that's where having a good doctor, one that's willing to listen
    to you and work with you is so important.

    Meanwhile, a new Indian restaurant opened up in town recently and Steve had been wanting to try it. We finally did, last night--got butter chicken, whole wheat roti and lentil soup to go. I was less than
    impressed with the soup but the chicken and roti were really good. The chicken came with white basmati rice but the sauce pretty much
    overpowered any taste to the rice. We'll probably go back there, don't know when.

    We have a bunch of Indian places here. The best I've tried is a place in
    a strip mall named Flavor of India. They have a most excellent lunchtime
    buffet where I have tried many "new to me" foods. The first time my
    friends and I visited we were the only non-Asians in the place - which
    speaks well for the authenticity. I've discovered many new foods there
    as well as my favourite find - Mango Ice Cream. Yuuuuuummm.

    This (or maybe it was goat) was on the buffet one time. Good stuff.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Lamb Biryani
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Chilies, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    4 Serrano chilies; stemmed
    8 cl Garlic; peeled
    1 (4") pc fresh ginger, peeled
    2 md Yellow onions; peeled,
    - quartered
    2 Roma tomatoes; quartered
    1 c Full-fat yogurt
    1 c Fresh mint leaves
    1 c Fresh cilantro leaves
    1 tb Ground coriander
    1 tb Ground cumin
    1 ts Kashmiri chile powder; more
    - as needed
    1/2 ts Ground turmeric
    1 1/2 ts Salt; more as needed
    3 lb Lamb chops (or lamb shoulder
    - pieces)
    3 (1/2")Indian cinnamon sticks
    +=OR=+
    1 lg Cinnamon stick
    12 Whole black peppercorns
    6 Cloves
    6 Green cardamom pods
    1 tb Garam masala

    MMMMM----------------------FRIED ONIONS------------------------------
    1 c Neutral oil
    2 Yellow onions; thin sliced
    1/2 ts Salt

    MMMMM---------------------------RICE---------------------------------
    Salt
    3 c basmati rice

    MMMMM-------------------------ASSEMBLY-------------------------------
    6 tb Whole milk
    1/2 ts Saffron threads
    2 c Mixed fresh cilantro & mint
    - leaves
    6 tb Unsalted butter; sliced

    PREPARE THE LAMB MARINADE: Add the finger chiles, garlic
    and ginger to a food processor and process until finely
    chopped. Add the onions and tomatoes, process until
    smooth, and scrape into a bowl that will hold all the
    lamb and fit in your fridge. Add the yogurt, mint,
    cilantro, coriander, cumin, chile powder, turmeric and
    salt, and stir to combine. Add the lamb to the bowl and
    toss to coat in the marinade, then cover and refrigerate
    overnight.

    PREPARE THE FRIED ONIONS: In a Dutch oven or heavy pot,
    heat the oil over medium. Add the onions, season with
    salt, and saute until browned, stirring occasionally, 25
    to 30 minutes. Using a slotted spoon, transfer fried
    onions to a paper towel-lined plate. Using your hands,
    pull apart the fried onions to separate to prevent them
    from sticking together, and set aside.

    Add the cinnamon, peppercorns, cloves and cardamom to
    the remaining hot oil, and fry over medium until
    fragrant, about 1 minute. Stir in the meat, its marinade
    and 1 cup water, and bring to a simmer over medium heat.
    Cook, stirring occasionally, until the meat is tender
    and the sauce is very thick and dark, about 2 1/2 hours,
    adjusting the heat as needed to maintain a low simmer.
    Stir in the garam masala and taste, adjusting with salt
    and chile powder as needed. Set aside.

    Set the oven @ 350oF/175oC.

    PREPARE THE RICE: Bring a large pot of lightly salted
    water to a boil and add the rice. Stir well and cook for
    3 minutes, transfer to a colander in the sink to drain.
    Run some cool water on top to cool the rice; set aside.

    PREPARE THE SAFFRON MILK FOR ASSEMBLY: Warm the milk in
    a small saucepan over medium heat just until it steams.
    Remove from heat and add the saffron, crumbling it with
    your fingertips as you drop it into the milk. Set aside.

    In a large, heavy, lidded pot, add about a third of the
    meat mixture in an even layer covering the bottom of the
    pot. Sprinkle the meat with a third of the herbs and a
    third of the rice, assembling lightly without packing
    the layers. Drizzle 2 tablespoons saffron milk over the
    rice and add about a third of the fried onions. Build
    two more layers of meat, herbs, rice, saffron milk and
    onions. Top with pats of butter and cover the pot with
    foil.

    Put the lid on the pot of rice, transfer to the oven and
    bake until piping hot, about 1 hour. Let rest for about
    10 minutes, then serve hot, digging all the way to the
    bottom of the pot with the serving spoon. To reheat,
    warm the biryani covered in the oven, or microwave.

    By: Tejal Rao

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 11 05:41:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I like the ground beef idea in the Broccoli beef dish.

    That's one of those recipes that when I saw it I said to myself, "Why
    didn't I think of that?"

    It's tasty and economical. And the ground meat is easier chewing than
    all but the most expensive steak cuts. Plus "prep" time is less. What's
    not to like?

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dave's Salisbury "Steak"
    Categories: Beef, Pork, Vegetables, Soups, Breads
    Yield: 4 Servings

    10 3/4 oz Can cream of mushroom soup
    1 tb Yellow "prepared" mustard
    2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    1 ts Prepared cream-style
    - grated horseradish
    1 lg Egg
    1/4 c Dry bread crumbs
    1/2 c Minced onion
    Salt & pepper
    1 1/2 lb Chilli grind beef chuck *
    1/2 lb Mild Italian sausage
    2 tb Oil
    1/2 c Water; as needed
    Chopped fresh parsley or
    - sliced green onion tops
    - (preferred) as garnish

    * Chilli grind can be hard to find. If your store has a
    "service meat" counter ask for a nice shoulder clod to
    be put through thei coarse plate twice. The result will
    be a texture a bit coarser (and chewier) than typical
    fine-ground "hamburger" meat. - UDD

    In a bowl, combine the soup, mustard, Worcestershire
    sauce and horseradish; blend well with a whisk.
    Set aside.

    In another bowl, lightly beat the egg. Add bread crumbs,
    onion, salt, pepper and 1/4 cup of the soup mixture.

    Add meats and mix well. Shape into four (8 oz) patties.

    In a large skillet, cook the pucks in oil to desired
    doneness; drain and reserve.

    Combine remaining soup mixture in the skillet with water
    as needed; pour over patties. Return "steaks" to the pan,
    cover and cook over low heat for 10-15 minutes or until
    meat is heated through. Remove to Plates spoon pan sauce
    over meat. Garnish with parsley and/or green onion tops.

    NOTE: This is my own take on Salisbury Steak. It is very
    much upgraded from the mystery meat "Salisbury Steak"
    that I used to be served in school cafeterias/lunchrooms.

    It can be prepared ahead, kept in the refrigerator and
    warmed up later. -- UDD

    Serves: 4 hungry people

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Mon Mar 11 15:24:13 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 11 2024 05:41 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I like the ground beef idea in the Broccoli beef dish.

    That's one of those recipes that when I saw it I said to myself, "Why
    didn't I think of that?"

    It's tasty and economical. And the ground meat is easier chewing than
    all but the most expensive steak cuts. Plus "prep" time is less. What's
    not to like?

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dave's Salisbury "Steak"
    Categories: Beef, Pork, Vegetables, Soups, Breads
    Yield: 4 Servings

    10 3/4 oz Can cream of mushroom soup
    1 tb Yellow "prepared" mustard
    2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    1 ts Prepared cream-style
    - grated horseradish
    1 lg Egg
    1/4 c Dry bread crumbs
    1/2 c Minced onion
    Salt & pepper
    1 1/2 lb Chilli grind beef chuck *
    1/2 lb Mild Italian sausage
    2 tb Oil
    1/2 c Water; as needed
    Chopped fresh parsley or
    - sliced green onion tops
    - (preferred) as garnish

    * Chilli grind can be hard to find. If your store has a
    "service meat" counter ask for a nice shoulder clod to
    be put through thei coarse plate twice. The result will
    be a texture a bit coarser (and chewier) than typical
    fine-ground "hamburger" meat. - UDD

    In a bowl, combine the soup, mustard, Worcestershire
    sauce and horseradish; blend well with a whisk.
    Set aside.

    In another bowl, lightly beat the egg. Add bread crumbs,
    onion, salt, pepper and 1/4 cup of the soup mixture.

    Add meats and mix well. Shape into four (8 oz) patties.

    In a large skillet, cook the pucks in oil to desired
    doneness; drain and reserve.

    Combine remaining soup mixture in the skillet with water
    as needed; pour over patties. Return "steaks" to the pan,
    cover and cook over low heat for 10-15 minutes or until
    meat is heated through. Remove to Plates spoon pan sauce
    over meat. Garnish with parsley and/or green onion tops.

    NOTE: This is my own take on Salisbury Steak. It is very
    much upgraded from the mystery meat "Salisbury Steak"
    that I used to be served in school cafeterias/lunchrooms.

    It can be prepared ahead, kept in the refrigerator and
    warmed up later. -- UDD

    Serves: 4 hungry people

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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    For me, grinding the meat is the painful bit, but then we do it in batches of 10 lbs or so. Takes about an hour (cleanup is 5 minutes with our tasin). We used to be faster at it but we are both older.

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 12 05:57:42 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    For me, grinding the meat is the painful bit, but then we do it in
    batches of 10 lbs or so. Takes about an hour (cleanup is 5 minutes
    with our tasin). We used to be faster at it but we are both older.

    I have a meat grinder - but I've not used it for several years. The
    butchers st Humphrey's Market do a fine job to order. AAnd I can often
    pick up cooking tips or recipe ideas when I'm there.

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder
    for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when
    they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.

    Here's a sausage I used to make myself. I made and took a biggish batch
    of it to the Canadian Caper picnic (1999) put on by Florence Henderson
    in Hemmingford, PQ, Canada. It was well received - although it caused
    some discussion on whether it was fresh Polish sausage or Bratwurst.
    Cooked in beer then grilled and slapped into hot dog rolls it made nice
    picnic fare.

    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Garlic Sausage
    Categories: Sausage, Pork, Chilies
    Yield: 3 Pounds

    2 lb Pork butt
    1/2 lb Pork fat
    1/3 lb Ham and ham fat
    10 cl Garlic; peeled
    1 ts White pepper
    2 tb Sage
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    2 ts Black pepper
    2 ts Quatre epices *
    2 tb Salt

    * 1 part nutmeg, 1 part ginger and 7 parts white pepper -
    (which is only THREE spices - UDD)

    Grind the pork butt, pork fat, ham and garlic on the
    large hole plate of a meat grinder.

    Place ground meat in a bowl, add spices and mix
    thoroughly.

    You can sautee a small quantity of the mixture and taste
    for seasoning.

    You may want to add more spices, salt, pepper or garlic.

    Stuff sausages into pork casings (available at most large
    meat stores or your friendly local butcher).

    You can saute sausages over low heat with a little butter
    for 15 to 20 minutes, or poach in simmering liquid.

    You may grill them as well.

    Serve with cold beer.

    From: The Book of Garlic

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 11 14:13:42 2024
    Hi Carol,

    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 09 2024 11:33 am

    reduce the blood
    pressure. Turned out it was kicked in by one of my asthma meds and
    something called hyperaldosteronism. One of the side effects was that my potassium levels kept bottoming out and I'd end up in the ER. Once that
    was diagnosed and treated, the blood pressure went down. In the
    meantime, I went back to using real salt, tho in smaller amounts.


    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to
    affect my BP nor make my feet sweel or any of the other gotchas. But, all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others. Bv)=

    Agreed, that's where having a good doctor, one that's willing to listen
    to you and work with you is so important.

    Meanwhile, a new Indian restaurant opened up in town recently and Steve
    had been wanting to try it. We finally did, last night--got butter
    chicken, whole wheat roti and lentil soup to go. I was less than
    impressed with the soup but the chicken and roti were really good. The chicken came with white basmati rice but the sauce pretty much
    overpowered any taste to the rice. We'll probably go back there, don't
    know when.


    I;m not really impressed with many India-type dishes but they have
    some nifty flat breads that I do from time to time. Like Naan.

    I like some of it, but not the really hot dishes. The mild butter
    chicken had a bit of heat to it, wouldn't want any more than what it did
    have. It came with a tomato/onion chutney on the side which was very
    enjoyable. We had a fair amount of left over sauce and some left over rotisserie chicken in the fridge so combined the 2 for another meal.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Mon Mar 11 14:20:11 2024
    Hi Dave,


    So, I hit the stupormarkup and bought him a shaker of Morton's Nu Salt (potassiuim chloride) and a couple shakers of Mrs. Dash to help him
    get some "safe" flavour in his grub.

    I did the same thing for myself after my cardiac ablation and
    pacemaker implnt. Nu Salt works OK - but it gets bitter when you
    over-do.

    I did similar when I was diagnosed with hypertension. Tried all kinds
    of low/no salt alternatives and found they did nothing to reduce the
    blood pressure. Turned out it was kicked in by one of my asthma meds
    and something called hyperaldosteronism. One of the side effects was
    that my potassium levels kept bottoming out and I'd end up in the ER.
    Once that was diagnosed and treated, the blood pressure went down.
    In the meantime, I went back to using real salt, tho in smaller amounts.

    Ain't it a b ...ear when your medicine tries to kill you? I had to go
    to Bing and look up "hyperaldosteronism". I've already got damage to
    my
    kidneys I can do without having a problem with the adrenal glands.

    I've no idea what brought that on but I'm glad we finally figured out
    what was going on. They couldn't tell which gland it was coming from (or
    both), usually if they can tell, the "offending one" is taken out.
    Otherwise, as in my case, it gets controlled by a single med, once a
    day.

    I have since gone back on using real salt and it doesn't seem to
    affect my BP nor make my feet swell or any of the other gotchas. But,
    all cases are their own deal. What works for me may not for others.
    Bv)=

    Agreed, that's where having a good doctor, one that's willing to listen
    to you and work with you is so important.

    Meanwhile, a new Indian restaurant opened up in town recently and Steve had been wanting to try it. We finally did, last night--got butter chicken, whole wheat roti and lentil soup to go. I was less than
    impressed with the soup but the chicken and roti were really good. The chicken came with white basmati rice but the sauce pretty much
    overpowered any taste to the rice. We'll probably go back there, don't know when.

    We have a bunch of Indian places here. The best I've tried is a place
    in a strip mall named Flavor of India. They have a most excellent lunchtime buffet where I have tried many "new to me" foods. The first
    time my
    friends and I visited we were the only non-Asians in the place - which speaks well for the authenticity. I've discovered many new foods there
    as well as my favourite find - Mango Ice Cream. Yuuuuuummm.

    We didn't get the ice cream this time, maybe go back and do a sit down
    meal there, with ice cream for dessert. When we first moved to WF, we
    found a good Indian place in Raleigh, with a buffet. They either closed
    or moved after a few years, don't know which. One of the tows on the
    west side of Raleigh has a significant Indian population with a cricket
    club, all sorts of restaurants, etc but it's a good bit out of our way
    for just a meal so we're going to go back to this place and try another,
    just curry place that opened up in WF a couple of years ago.

    This (or maybe it was goat) was on the buffet one time. Good stuff.


    Title: Lamb Biryani
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Chilies, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Looks good except for the amount of cilantro in it. I know, needed for
    the flavor, but..........


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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 12 18:27:52 2024
    //Hello Dave,//

    on *12.03.24* at *5:57:42* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Carol Shenkenberger* about *"Re: Reduced salt"*.


    I have a meat grinder - but I've not used it for several years. The butchers st Humphrey's Market do a fine job to order. And I can often
    pick up cooking tips or recipe ideas when I'm there.
    Dave, You have a meat grinder, but You have not used it. And You can pick up recipe ideas when You are at Market.

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.
    You remember in your far distant youth cranking the manual meat grinder for you granny and mom. They made saugsage. Why Your meat grinder is motorised?

    Here's a sausage I used to make myself. I made and took a biggish batch
    of it to the Canadian Caper picnic (1999) put on by Florence Henderson in Hemmingford, PQ, Canada. It was well received - although it caused some discussion on whether it was fresh Polish sausage or Bratwurst.
    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.
    Title: Garlic Sausage
    Categories: Sausage, Pork, Chilies
    Yield: 3 Pounds
    2 lb Pork butt
    1/2 lb Pork fat
    1/3 lb Ham and ham fat
    10 cl Garlic; peeled
    1 ts White pepper
    2 tb Sage
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    2 ts Black pepper
    2 ts Quatre epices *
    2 tb Salt
    * 1 part nutmeg, 1 part ginger and 7 parts white pepper -
    (which is only THREE spices - UDD)
    My far distant Youth!) What was the ^^^?

    Regards,
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 12 11:12:50 2024
    Hello Dave,

    On Tue Mar 12 2024 05:57 am UTC, you wrote:

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.

    I remember doing this as well. I threw the grinder out over 30 years ago when I was moving and wish I had kept it. Yes it was manual but it did a great job.

    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.

    This may make me un canadian, but I prefer just fries and gravy. I really like cheese curds, just not with fries and gravy. ;)

    Your sausage recipe is very similar to one I make, but I cheat now and use pre ground meat, and I make patty's because that's what Andrea and I prefer.

    Shawn

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 12 18:22:39 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Mar 12 2024 05:57 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    For me, grinding the meat is the painful bit, but then we do it in batches of 10 lbs or so. Takes about an hour (cleanup is 5 minutes with our tasin). We used to be faster at it but we are both older.

    I have a meat grinder - but I've not used it for several years. The
    butchers st Humphrey's Market do a fine job to order. AAnd I can often
    pick up cooking tips or recipe ideas when I'm there.

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder
    for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when
    they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.

    Here's a sausage I used to make myself. I made and took a biggish batch
    of it to the Canadian Caper picnic (1999) put on by Florence Henderson
    in Hemmingford, PQ, Canada. It was well received - although it caused
    some discussion on whether it was fresh Polish sausage or Bratwurst.
    Cooked in beer then grilled and slapped into hot dog rolls it made nice picnic fare.

    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Garlic Sausage
    Categories: Sausage, Pork, Chilies
    Yield: 3 Pounds

    2 lb Pork butt
    1/2 lb Pork fat
    1/3 lb Ham and ham fat
    10 cl Garlic; peeled
    1 ts White pepper
    2 tb Sage
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    2 ts Black pepper
    2 ts Quatre epices *
    2 tb Salt

    * 1 part nutmeg, 1 part ginger and 7 parts white pepper -
    (which is only THREE spices - UDD)

    Grind the pork butt, pork fat, ham and garlic on the
    large hole plate of a meat grinder.

    Place ground meat in a bowl, add spices and mix
    thoroughly.

    You can sautee a small quantity of the mixture and taste
    for seasoning.

    You may want to add more spices, salt, pepper or garlic.

    Stuff sausages into pork casings (available at most large
    meat stores or your friendly local butcher).

    You can saute sausages over low heat with a little butter
    for 15 to 20 minutes, or poach in simmering liquid.

    You may grill them as well.

    Serve with cold beer.

    From: The Book of Garlic

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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    Dave, you chopped out it's a Tasin. They don't make manual grinders. It's high end electric and mine predates the massively cheapened Chinese knock-offs.

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Mar 12 18:37:29 2024
    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Mar 11 2024 02:13 pm


    I'd not mind the chicken but still, sorry. Foods from India largely don't appeal to me. They never did. Sorry.

    I appreciate YOU and Steve, but nope on the cookery of India overall.

    xxcarol
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Mar 13 04:59:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Ain't it a b ...ear when your medicine tries to kill you? I had to go
    to Bing and look up "hyperaldosteronism". I've already got damage to
    my kidneys I can do without having a problem with the adrenal glands.

    I've no idea what brought that on but I'm glad we finally figured out
    what was going on. They couldn't tell which gland it was coming from
    (or both), usually if they can tell, the "offending one" is taken out. Otherwise, as in my case, it gets controlled by a single med, once a
    day.

    I think I druther keep both adrenal glands and add another med to the
    cocktail I'm already taking.

    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    friends and I visited we were the only non-Asians in the place - which speaks well for the authenticity. I've discovered many new foods there
    as well as my favourite find - Mango Ice Cream. Yuuuuuummm.

    We didn't get the ice cream this time, maybe go back and do a sit down meal there, with ice cream for dessert. When we first moved to WF, we found a good Indian place in Raleigh, with a buffet. They either closed
    or moved after a few years, don't know which. One of the tows on the
    west side of Raleigh has a significant Indian population with a cricket club, all sorts of restaurants, etc but it's a good bit out of our way
    for just a meal so we're going to go back to this place and try
    another, just curry place that opened up in WF a couple of years ago.

    If you've never had mango I scream and you get a chance to try it - by
    all means give it a whirl.

    This (or maybe it was goat) was on the buffet one time. Good stuff.

    Title: Lamb Biryani
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Chilies, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Looks good except for the amount of cilantro in it. I know, needed for
    the flavor, but..........

    Here's one w/o soapweed. And using economical chicken.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Student's Chicken Biryani Pilau
    Categories: Poultry, Rice, Curry, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    2 tb Vegetable oil
    6 lg Chicken thighs; skin on
    1 lg Onion; sliced fine
    2 tb Curry powder; hot if you
    - like spicy, mild for tame
    - curry
    350 g Easy-cook, long grain rice;
    - (12 oz)
    700 ml Chicken stock (3 cups)
    250 g Frozen peas (9 oz)

    Heat oven to 200ºC/390ºF/fan 180ºC/355ºF/gas 6. Heat the oil
    in a large sauté pan and fry the chicken thighs, skin side
    down, for 8-10 mins until the skin is golden and crispy. Tip
    in the onion and continue to cook for 5 mins until the onion
    softens. Sprinkle in the curry powder and cook for a minute
    more, then stir in the rice and pour over the stock. Bring
    the stock to the boil.

    Cover the pan and bake for 30 mins until all the liquid has
    been absorbed and the rice is cooked. Stir in the peas and
    leave the rice to stand for a few moments before serving.

    Try adding a few extras: Stir in a small bag of roasted
    cashew nuts, flaked almonds or raisins just before serving.

    Recipe by Barney Desmazery

    From: http://www.bbcgoodfood.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Shawn Highfield on Wed Mar 13 05:40:00 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.

    I remember doing this as well. I threw the grinder out over 30 years
    ago when I was moving and wish I had kept it. Yes it was manual but it did a great job.

    They're ok for small batch stuff. For big projects I get out the power
    grinder. Otherwise my arm might fall off. Bv)=

    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.

    This may make me un canadian, but I prefer just fries and gravy. I
    really like cheese curds, just not with fries and gravy. ;)

    I tried many versions - including one called "Michigan Poutine" which
    used a fairly awful chilli con carnage w/beans as the gravy. That was
    a "one and done". Bv)=

    I really like the regular poutine w/cheese curds. Fires w/gravy (AKA
    "wets") not so much.

    Your sausage recipe is very similar to one I make, but I cheat now and
    use pre ground meat, and I make patty's because that's what Andrea and
    I prefer.

    I like and use my patty press. Especially when making bratwurst ptties
    for breakfast use or as 'substitute' burgers.

    https://tinyurl.com/PRESTO-PATTY

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Bratwurst Burgers w/Braised Onions
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Breads, Cheese, Beer
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1 tb Oil
    1 lg Onion; sliced
    1 md Red bell pepper; sliced
    1 md Yellow bell pepper; sliced
    1 c Dark beer

    MMMMM--------------------------BURGERS-------------------------------
    1 lb Bratwurst patties
    1 lg Egg; lightly beaten
    1 tb Milk
    3/4 c Seasoned bread crumbs
    4 sl Muenster cheese
    4 Hamburger buns; split,
    - toasted
    8 ts Spicy brown mustard

    In a large skillet, heat oil over medium heat. Add onion
    and peppers; cook and stir 5 minutes. Stir in beer.
    Bring to a boil. Reduce heat; simmer, uncovered, until
    vegetables are tender and liquid is almost evaporated,
    15-20 minutes. Remove and keep warm.

    In a shallow bowl, mix egg and milk. Place bread crumbs
    in a separate shallow bowl. Dip patties in egg mixture,
    then roll in crumb mixture to coat.

    In the same skillet over medium heat, cook burgers until
    juices run clear, 3-4 minutes on each side; top with
    cheese during the last 1-2 minutes of cooking. Serve
    burgers on buns with mustard and onion mixture.

    Priscilla Yee, Concord, California

    Makes: 4 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Denis Mosko on Wed Mar 13 07:03:00 2024
    Denis Mosko wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.

    You remember in your far distant youth cranking the manual meat grinder for you granny and mom. They made saugsage. Why Your meat grinder is motorised?

    Different times, different places

    Here's a sausage I used to make myself. I made and took a biggish batch
    of it to the Canadian Caper picnic (1999) put on by Florence Henderson in Hemmingford, PQ, Canada. It was well received - although it caused some discussion on whether it was fresh Polish sausage or Bratwurst.
    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.

    Title: Garlic Sausage
    Categories: Sausage, Pork, Chilies
    Yield: 3 Pounds
    2 lb Pork butt
    1/2 lb Pork fat
    1/3 lb Ham and ham fat
    10 cl Garlic; peeled
    1 ts White pepper
    2 tb Sage
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    2 ts Black pepper
    2 ts Quatre epices *
    2 tb Salt
    * 1 part nutmeg, 1 part ginger and 7 parts white pepper -
    (which is only THREE spices - UDD)

    My far distant Youth!) What was the ^^^?

    "U"ncle "D"irty "D"ave - It's an acronym (look that up in your English Glossary.) Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Unique Apple Pie (An Uncle Dirty Dave Special)
    Categories: Pies, Fruits, Pastry, Dessert, Pork
    Yield: 6 Servings

    MMMMM---------------------------PASTRY--------------------------------
    1 1/2 c A-P flour
    1/3 c Bacon drippings
    2 tb (to 3 tb) cold water
    1 Egg yolk

    MMMMM--------------------------FILLING-------------------------------
    3 c Apples; sliced
    3/4 c White sugar
    3/4 c Light brown sugar
    1 ts Cinnamon
    1/4 ts Nutmeg
    1/4 ts Allspice

    MMMMM--------------------------TOPPING-------------------------------
    1 Egg white
    Sugar & cinnamon

    First, swipe some apples from that apple tree down the
    alley. A medium sized Kroger bag should be enough.
    Assuming you don't get caught, scoot for home and wash
    the fruits of your labour. Peel, core and slice (medium)
    three cups of fruit. Put in a bowl and cover with water
    to prevent browning.

    Make the pastry.

    PASTRY: In medium-size bowl, place 1 1/2 cups unsifted
    all-purpose flour. With pastry blender or 2 knives, cut
    in 1/3 cup bacon drippings, until the mixture resembles
    coarse crumbs. Do not add salt. The dripping provide
    plenty of salt.

    Add 2 to 3 tablespoons of cold water and an egg yolk to
    flour mixture and mix lightly with fork until moistened;
    gather into a ball. Wrap pastry and refrigerate 30
    minutes.

    Roll out pastry for a 9" or 10" pie pan. Butter the pie
    pan and place bottom layer of pastry in it.

    FILLING: Mix 3/4 cup refined white sugar, 3/4 cup light
    brown sugar, 1 tsp cinnamon, 1/4 tsp nutmeg and 1/4 tsp
    allspice in a medium sized bowl.

    Drain apple slices and mix with sugar/spice mix. If all
    the sugar/spice mix is not used up in coating apple
    slices spread it over the filling after transferring
    fruit to pie pan.

    MAKE THE PIE: Moisten rim of pastry with a little water
    and place top crust on pie, pinching top and bottom
    together to seal. Cut steam vents into top crust with a
    sharp knife. If desired, use a pastry brush to brush egg
    white on top crust for a glaze. Sprinkle sugar across
    the crust lightly and dust with cinnamon.

    Bake pie @ 350°F-375°F/175°C-190°C for 50 to 55 minutes
    or until crust is lightly browned and filling bubbles.

    Cool 10 minutes on wire rack before cutting.

    VARIATIONS... I often fry up 4 slices of thick cut slab
    bacon to provide the bacon drippings. Then crumble the
    bacon slices and mix with the filling.

    Serve with a slice of sharp cheddar cheese between the
    top crust and the filling.

    This is an absolutely scrumptious pie, if I do say so.

    First made in August 1955, Springfield, IL

    From: Dave Drum | Date: December 21, 2002

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 13 07:07:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    ... "The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest." -- Kilgore Trout

    Dave, you chopped out it's a Tasin. They don't make manual grinders.
    It's high end electric and mine predates the massively cheapened
    Chinese knock-offs.

    Sorry 'bout dat. Didn't realise it was 'portant. My grinder is from
    Cuisinart's pre-plastic days. A friend got one recently and hers has
    sausage stuffer tubes and many accessories of white plastic, not metal.

    Mine will be part of my estae when I pass and wind up at Habitat for
    Humanity. My will, as currently written leaves my house and contents to Habitat w/lifetime tenancy for my house-mate.

    Which is only fair since nearly all the furnishings, save my bedroom
    suite came from Habitat anyway.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Hot Italian Sausage
    Categories: Pork, Herbs, Chilies
    Yield: 2 pounds

    2 lb Coarse ground pork shoulder;
    - not too lean
    2 ts Salt
    2 ts Crushed/ground fennel seed
    1 ts Hot red pepper flakes; more
    - to taste
    2 tb Paprika
    6 cl Garlic; minced
    +=OR=+
    3/4 ta Granulated garlic

    Put the pork in a bowl and add remaining ingredients.
    Mix well to distribute the seasoning evenly throughout
    the meat.

    Cover and refrigerate for up to 3 days, or freeze for
    future use.

    * If stuffing you will need 4 or more feet of lamb or
    hog casings. - UDD

    By: David Tanis

    Yield: Makes 2 pounds

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wed Mar 13 08:13:00 2024
    I like some of it, but not the really hot dishes. The mild butter
    chicken had a bit of heat to it, wouldn't want any more than what it did have. It came with a tomato/onion chutney on the side which was very enjoyable. We had a fair amount of left over sauce and some left over rotisserie chicken in the fridge so combined the 2 for another meal.

    I like a little heat but too much heat kills the flavor of the other, "non-heat" spices. I do like their meat dishes, like butter chicken,
    chicken tikka masala, lamb saag, chicken biryani (sp?), and a goat dish that
    I forget the name of (maybe haleel?).

    I find that I like their vegetarian dishes more. Anything with "chana" in
    it is a chickpea dish. I like chana saag, chana masala (and either of
    these with aloo - potato), madras lentils, and several others. I even like
    one dish that is predominantly califlower. That is significant because califlower is something I do not eat at all otherwise because I don't
    normally like it. Something about how they spice it up and prepare it
    makes it tasty. ;)

    Mike

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Wed Mar 13 11:32:39 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Mar 13 2024 07:07 am


    No problem on the overtrimming (smile). Anyways only non-metal part in the Tasin is a 'pusher' to help the meat to the to the grinder shoot. Mostly an ignored part here.

    I used to partly raw feed my dogs and a friend across the street did the same so we did big grinder runs about every 3 weeks for 3 years. Military, her husband transferred to Bremerton Washington I think it was.

    xxcarol
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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Dave Drum on Wed Mar 13 22:13:19 2024
    //Hello Dave,//

    on *13.03.24* at *11:03:00* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Grinder's Switch was: Red"*.

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder
    for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when
    they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.
    You remember in your far distant youth cranking the manual meat grinder
    for you granny and mom. They made saugsage. Why Your meat grinder is
    motorised?
    Different times, different places
    Is it electrical?

    Here's a sausage I used to make myself. I made and took a biggish batch
    of it to the Canadian Caper picnic (1999) put on by Florence Henderson
    in Hemmingford, PQ, Canada. It was well received - although it caused
    some discussion on whether it was fresh Polish sausage or Bratwurst.
    That was also the picnic where I was introduced to poutine.
    Title: Garlic Sausage
    Categories: Sausage, Pork, Chilies
    Yield: 3 Pounds
    2 lb Pork butt
    1/2 lb Pork fat
    1/3 lb Ham and ham fat
    10 cl Garlic; peeled
    1 ts White pepper
    2 tb Sage
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    2 ts Black pepper
    2 ts Quatre epices *
    2 tb Salt
    * 1 part nutmeg, 1 part ginger and 7 parts white pepper -
    (which is only THREE spices - UDD)
    My far distant Youth!) What was the ^^^?
    "U"ncle "D"irty "D"ave - It's an acronym (look that up in your English Glossary.) Bv)=
    Title: Unique Apple Pie (An Uncle Dirty Dave Special)
    Categories: Pies, Fruits, Pastry, Dessert, Pork
    Yield: 6 Servings
    1 1/2 c A-P flour
    1/3 c Bacon drippings
    2 tb (to 3 tb) cold water
    1 Egg yolk
    3 c Apples; sliced
    3/4 c White sugar
    3/4 c Light brown sugar
    1 ts Cinnamon
    1/4 ts Nutmeg
    1/4 ts Allspice
    1 Egg white
    Sugar & cinnamon
    First, swipe some apples from that apple tree down the
    alley. A medium sized Kroger bag should be enough.
    Assuming you don't get caught, scoot for home and wash
    the fruits of your labour. Peel, core and slice (medium)
    three cups of fruit. Put in a bowl and cover with water
    to prevent browning.
    Make the pastry.
    PASTRY: In medium-size bowl, place 1 1/2 cups unsifted
    all-purpose flour. With pastry blender or 2 knives, cut
    in 1/3 cup bacon drippings, until the mixture resembles
    coarse crumbs. Do not add salt. The dripping provide
    plenty of salt.
    Add 2 to 3 tablespoons of cold water and an egg yolk to
    flour mixture and mix lightly with fork until moistened;
    gather into a ball. Wrap pastry and refrigerate 30
    minutes.
    Roll out pastry for a 9" or 10" pie pan. Butter the pie
    pan and place bottom layer of pastry in it.
    FILLING: Mix 3/4 cup refined white sugar, 3/4 cup light
    brown sugar, 1 tsp cinnamon, 1/4 tsp nutmeg and 1/4 tsp
    allspice in a medium sized bowl.
    Drain apple slices and mix with sugar/spice mix. If all
    the sugar/spice mix is not used up in coating apple
    slices spread it over the filling after transferring
    fruit to pie pan.
    MAKE THE PIE: Moisten rim of pastry with a little water
    and place top crust on pie, pinching top and bottom
    together to seal. Cut steam vents into top crust with a
    sharp knife. If desired, use a pastry brush to brush egg
    white on top crust for a glaze. Sprinkle sugar across
    the crust lightly and dust with cinnamon.
    Bake pie @ 350°F-375°F/175°C-190°C for 50 to 55 minutes
    or until crust is lightly browned and filling bubbles.
    Cool 10 minutes on wire rack before cutting.
    VARIATIONS... I often fry up 4 slices of thick cut slab
    bacon to provide the bacon drippings. Then crumble the
    bacon slices and mix with the filling.
    Serve with a slice of sharp cheddar cheese between the
    top crust and the filling.
    This is an absolutely scrumptious pie, if I do say so.
    First made in August 1955, Springfield, IL
    From: Dave Drum | Date: December 21, 2002
    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen
    UDD-Kitchen?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Mar 14 05:31:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    No problem on the overtrimming (smile). Anyways only non-metal part in the Tasin is a 'pusher' to help the meat to the to the grinder shoot. Mostly an ignored part here.

    My "pusher" is turned from a chunk od native maple by a friend's girl
    child as a wood shop project. IIRC she got an "A" for it. Bv)=

    I used to partly raw feed my dogs and a friend across the street did
    the same so we did big grinder runs about every 3 weeks for 3 years. Military, her husband transferred to Bremerton Washington I think it
    was.

    The military is a lot like IBM, whose initials do not stand for the
    claimed "International Business Machines" but "I've Been Moved" I was
    told that by a long-term IMB employee.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Moving Day Sauerkraut Butt
    Categories: Five, Pork, Bbq
    Yield: 12 Servings

    4 lb Pork butt; boneless
    28 oz Can shredded sauerkraut *
    16 oz Bottle barbecue sauce

    Place butt in crock pot and pour kraut with juice over
    butt.

    Cook on low 8 hours or high 4 hours.

    Pour off excess liquid and stir in BBQ sauce.

    Serve on buns.

    * I'd use a 32 oz BAG of sauerkraut. It's ever so much
    nicer than the tinned (and tinny tasting) stuff. - UDD

    From: http://www.food.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Denis Mosko on Thu Mar 14 05:45:00 2024
    Denis Mosko wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I remember in my (far distant) youth cranking the manual meat grinder
    for my grandmother and mother. It was a definite chore, especially when
    they made sausage. Bv)= That's why my meat grinder is motorised.
    You remember in your far distant youth cranking the manual meat grinder
    for you granny and mom. They made saugsage. Why Your meat grinder is
    motorised?

    Different times, different places

    Is it electrical?

    Well, yeah. A gasoline or diesel powered grinder would be far too big
    and unwieldy for home usage.

    (which is only THREE spices - UDD)

    My far distant Youth!) What was the ^^^?

    "U"ncle "D"irty "D"ave - It's an acronym (look that up in your English Glossary.) Bv)=

    First made in August 1955, Springfield, IL
    From: Dave Drum | Date: December 21, 2002
    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    UDD-Kitchen?

    Now you're catching on.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Deruny - Ukrainian Potato Pancakes
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Dairy
    Yield: 6 servings

    1 lg Onion; grated
    6 Potatoes; peeled, grated
    2 tb A-P flour
    2 lg Eggs
    2 ts Salt
    3/4 ts Black pepper
    1 pt Sour cream
    1/2 pt Cream

    In a large bowl use a mixer to puree the ingredients
    except the sour cream & cream.

    You may do this in a food processor as well or a blender.

    Heat oil in a skillet and when hot drop large spoonsful
    of the mixture. Cook until browned on one side. Turn and
    repeat. When done remove, drain, and place in a warm
    oven.

    Mix the sour cream & cream together.

    Serve warm with a large dollop of the the cream mixture!

    This a staple in Ukrainian homes and these pancakes will
    store well in the refrigerator for 2-3 days. In many
    homes preserves or jam is also served on these delicious
    pancakes.

    Source: Dr. Donald Houston from Galina Shovkoshytny, Kiev
    : Ukraine, circa 1996

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.ruscuisine.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Thu Mar 14 12:29:30 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Mar 14 2024 05:31 am


    Cute on the IBM version! Ruth and Steve moved a lot too.

    Anyways, Saint Patrick's day soon!

    Corned beef briskets on sale!

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Corned Beef Brisket with Stir-Fried Cabbage
    Categories: Beef, Main dish
    Yield: 10 Servings

    3 To 5 lb. corned beef
    -brisket
    -water
    2 ts Vegetable oil
    8 c Sliced cabbage, cut 1/2
    -inch thick
    1 md Red bell pepper,
    -cut into thin strips
    2 tb Sugar
    2 tb White vinegar
    1/2 ts Caraway seeds
    1/2 ts Salt
    2 tb Red currant jelly, melted

    Place corned beef in a dutch oven and add water to cover. Cover
    tightly and simmer for 3 to 4 hours or until the meat is tender.
    Shortly before serving, heat oil in a large skillet over medium high
    heat. Add cabbage and red pepper, stir-fry for 5 minutes. Reduce
    heat to medium low, cover and continue cooking 5 minutes. Stir
    sugar, vinegar, caraway seeds and salt into cabbage and continue
    cooking and stirring for 2 minutes. Place brisket, fat side up, on a
    broiler-safe serving platter so the surface of the meat is 3 to 4
    inches from the heat. Brush melted jelly over brisket, broil 5
    minutes or until the brisket is glazed. Carve the brisket diagonally
    across the grain into thin slices and serve with cabbage. Makes 10
    servings. Note: If desired, potatoes and carrots can be added to the
    corned beef during the last half-hour of simmering. Reserve the
    briskey cooking liquid to make split pea soup later. strain cooled
    broth, the chill it. Remove fat that hardens at surface and use
    defatted stock in the soup.

    From: Kountry Cook #1 @1912232 Date: 03-17-94 Posted to
    MC-Recipe Digest V1 #500 by Bobbi Zee <zpegasus@tsrcom.com> on Mar 4,
    1997.

    MMMMM

    xxcarol
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 15 05:11:16 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Cute on the IBM version! Ruth and Steve moved a lot too.

    Anyways, Saint Patrick's day soon!

    Corned beef briskets on sale!

    Brisket can be good stuff if done right. But you can keep the cabbage
    that nearly everone insists on serving with it around this time of year.
    AFAIAC cabbage is best in fine cut cole slaw w/a creamy dressing. Not
    boiled to death and sided to slices of corned beef brisket.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: KFC Style Cole Slaw
    Categories: Salads, Dairy, Chilies
    Yield: 6 Servings

    6 c Cabbage; shredded
    1 c Carrots; shredded fine
    1/4 c Sugar
    1/2 ts (ea) salt & pepper
    1/2 c Milk
    1 c Mayo; NOT Miracle Wimp
    1/2 c Buttermilk
    1/2 ts Celery seed
    3 ds Hot pepper sauce
    3 tb Minced white onion

    This is pretty close to the Colonel's cole slaw. As
    close as I could get it, anyway. - UDD

    Toss cabbage lightly with sugar, carrots, salt and
    pepper.

    Drench all with milk. Cover and refrigerate about 15
    minutes.

    Meanwhile combine the mayo, buttermilk, celery seed,
    pepper sauce and onion. Mix well with cabbage.

    Refrigerate again at least 1 hour.

    Before serving drain some of the liquid. This
    settles quite a bit. Keeps for 24 hours.

    From: Uncle Dirty Dave's Copy-cat Attempts

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 15 20:14:25 2024
    //Hello Carol,//

    on *14.03.24* at *16:29:30* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Dave Drum* about *"Re: Reduced salt"*.

    Why Corned beef briskets on sale?

    Title: Corned Beef Brisket with Stir-Fried Cabbage
    Categories: Beef, Main dish
    Yield: 10 Servings
    3 To 5 lb. corned beef
    -brisket
    -water
    2 ts Vegetable oil
    8 c Sliced cabbage, cut 1/2
    -inch thick
    1 md Red bell pepper,
    -cut into thin strips
    2 tb Sugar
    2 tb White vinegar
    1/2 ts Caraway seeds
    1/2 ts Salt
    2 tb Red currant jelly, melted
    Place corned beef in a dutch oven and add water to cover. Cover
    tightly and simmer for 3 to 4 hours or until the meat is tender.
    Shortly before serving, heat oil in a large skillet over medium high
    heat. Add cabbage and red pepper, stir-fry for 5 minutes. Reduce
    heat to medium low, cover and continue cooking 5 minutes. Stir
    sugar, vinegar, caraway seeds and salt into cabbage and continue
    cooking and stirring for 2 minutes. Place brisket, fat side up, on a
    broiler-safe serving platter so the surface of the meat is 3 to 4
    inches from the heat. Brush melted jelly over brisket, broil 5
    minutes or until the brisket is glazed. Carve the brisket diagonally
    across the grain into thin slices and serve with cabbage. Makes 10
    servings. Note: If desired, potatoes and carrots can be added to the
    corned beef during the last half-hour of simmering. Reserve the
    briskey cooking liquid to make split pea soup later. strain cooled
    broth, the chill it. Remove fat that hardens at surface and use
    defatted stock in the soup.
    :)

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 16 09:56:39 2024
    Hi Carol,

    Back again after a break of several days. An old friend of Steve's
    family passed away unexpectedly in Pennsylvania last Saturday. The
    funeral was Wednesday; we went up for it. The church house was packed
    and even more people went thru the visitation line. One of the things he
    always did with his grandkids was to split a package of Tasty Kakes so
    at the lunch afterwardss, they had a big basket full of the Kakes,
    replenished multiple times, with a note to take some and enjoy, in his
    memory. Afterwards, up at the house, there was enough food to feed an
    army. It was an 8 hour drive each way but I'm glad we went.

    I'd not mind the chicken but still, sorry. Foods from India largely
    don't appeal to me. They never did. Sorry.

    It's OK, not everybody likes everything. We never really had any until
    we moved to this area and still don't have it that often; Steve just
    wanted to try the new restaurant.


    I appreciate YOU and Steve, but nope on the cookery of India overall.

    As we appreciate you--have to figure out where/when we can get together sometime.
    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... There cannot be a crisis today; my schedule is already full.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Mar 15 11:40:23 2024
    Hi Dave,


    Ain't it a b ...ear when your medicine tries to kill you? I had to go
    to Bing and look up "hyperaldosteronism". I've already got damage to
    my kidneys I can do without having a problem with the adrenal glands.

    I've no idea what brought that on but I'm glad we finally figured out
    what was going on. They couldn't tell which gland it was coming from
    (or both), usually if they can tell, the "offending one" is taken out. Otherwise, as in my case, it gets controlled by a single med, once a
    day.

    I think I druther keep both adrenal glands and add another med to the cocktail I'm already taking.

    Same here, but if surgery were the better option, I'd have probably gone
    with that.

    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    friends and I visited we were the only non-Asians in the place - which speaks well for the authenticity. I've discovered many new foods there
    as well as my favourite find - Mango Ice Cream. Yuuuuuummm.

    We didn't get the ice cream this time, maybe go back and do a sit down meal there, with ice cream for dessert. When we first moved to WF, we found a good Indian place in Raleigh, with a buffet. They either closed
    or moved after a few years, don't know which. One of the tows on the
    west side of Raleigh has a significant Indian population with a cricket club, all sorts of restaurants, etc but it's a good bit out of our way
    for just a meal so we're going to go back to this place and try
    another, just curry place that opened up in WF a couple of years ago.

    If you've never had mango I scream and you get a chance to try it - by
    all means give it a whirl.

    We've had it a number of times. Didn't get it this time as we were doing
    take out, not eating in.

    This (or maybe it was goat) was on the buffet one time. Good stuff.

    Title: Lamb Biryani
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Chilies, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Looks good except for the amount of cilantro in it. I know, needed for
    the flavor, but..........

    Here's one w/o soapweed. And using economical chicken.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Student's Chicken Biryani Pilau
    Categories: Poultry, Rice, Curry, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    It does look good--and easy. I've done a simple beef curry from time to
    time but never really gotten into cooking other Indian foods.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Mike Powell on Fri Mar 15 11:46:42 2024
    Hi Mike,

    I like some of it, but not the really hot dishes. The mild butter chicken had a bit of heat to it, wouldn't want any more than what it
    did > have. It came with a tomato/onion chutney on the side which was
    very
    enjoyable. We had a fair amount of left over sauce and some left
    over > rotisserie chicken in the fridge so combined the 2 for another meal.

    I like a little heat but too much heat kills the flavor of the other, "non-heat" spices. I do like their meat dishes, like butter chicken, chicken tikka masala, lamb saag, chicken biryani (sp?), and a goat
    dish that I forget the name of (maybe haleel?).

    I like mild too, a bit of heat to round out the taste but not so hot
    that you can't taste other flavors. Same with Mexican cooking, mild to
    maybe medium on the heat level but not "burn your socks off" heat. Also,
    the heat has to be evenly distributed, none of this hot on the lips or
    back of the mouth but not otherwise. Our church family does a chili cook
    off on super bowl Sunday; a lot of the chilis are one note heat, super
    hot heat or not even what could be rightfully called chili. We've
    participated every year but one (out of town), winning one year and
    placing every other year but one. Sadly, just about everyone else there
    doesn't recognise a good chili, even after our trying to educate them
    over the last 15 years. (G)

    I find that I like their vegetarian dishes more. Anything with MP>
    "chana" in it is a chickpea dish. I like chana saag, chana masala MP>
    (and either of MP> these with aloo - potato), madras lentils, and

    I'll try most anything; a buffet is good for that (G) but am not fond of
    a lot of legumes.


    several others. I even MP> like one dish that is predominantly
    califlower. That is significant MP> because califlower is something I
    do not eat at all otherwise because MP> I don't MP> normally like it.
    Something about how they spice it up and prepare it MP> makes it tasty.
    ;)

    I used to cook it quite often when our girls were younger--found out the
    way to make it disappear was to sprinkle some parmesan cheese on it.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 16 17:45:34 2024
    Re: Re: Reduced salt
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 15 2024 05:11 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Cute on the IBM version! Ruth and Steve moved a lot too.

    Anyways, Saint Patrick's day soon!

    Corned beef briskets on sale!

    Brisket can be good stuff if done right. But you can keep the cabbage
    that nearly everone insists on serving with it around this time of year. AFAIAC cabbage is best in fine cut cole slaw w/a creamy dressing. Not
    boiled to death and sided to slices of corned beef brisket.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: KFC Style Cole Slaw
    Categories: Salads, Dairy, Chilies
    Yield: 6 Servings

    6 c Cabbage; shredded
    1 c Carrots; shredded fine
    1/4 c Sugar
    1/2 ts (ea) salt & pepper
    1/2 c Milk
    1 c Mayo; NOT Miracle Wimp
    1/2 c Buttermilk
    1/2 ts Celery seed
    3 ds Hot pepper sauce
    3 tb Minced white onion

    This is pretty close to the Colonel's cole slaw. As
    close as I could get it, anyway. - UDD

    Toss cabbage lightly with sugar, carrots, salt and
    pepper.

    Drench all with milk. Cover and refrigerate about 15
    minutes.

    Meanwhile combine the mayo, buttermilk, celery seed,
    pepper sauce and onion. Mix well with cabbage.

    Refrigerate again at least 1 hour.

    Before serving drain some of the liquid. This
    settles quite a bit. Keeps for 24 hours.

    From: Uncle Dirty Dave's Copy-cat Attempts

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

    ... "I have made good judgements in the future." Dan Quayle

    EEK! Candied cabbage! Sacrelidge! Call for an exorcist!

    No sugar in mine. Savory instead. Redolant with mustards, crunchy types of cabbage, red and white minced onions!

    Shaking that horrid image pf candied cabbage (wow), I agree boiled cabbage has no place in my uses unless it's small abounts gracing a soup. A good bowl of Pho will often have some.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Denis Mosko on Sat Mar 16 17:55:27 2024
    Re: Anyways, Saint Patrick's day soon! Was: Reduced salt
    By: Denis Mosko to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 15 2024 08:14 pm

    //Hello Carol,//

    on *14.03.24* at *16:29:30* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Dave Drum* about *"Re: Reduced salt"*.

    Why Corned beef briskets on sale?

    Title: Corned Beef Brisket with Stir-Fried Cabbage
    Categories: Beef, Main dish
    Yield: 10 Servings
    3 To 5 lb. corned beef
    -brisket
    -water
    2 ts Vegetable oil
    8 c Sliced cabbage, cut 1/2
    -inch thick
    1 md Red bell pepper,
    -cut into thin strips
    2 tb Sugar
    2 tb White vinegar
    1/2 ts Caraway seeds
    1/2 ts Salt
    2 tb Red currant jelly, melted
    Place corned beef in a dutch oven and add water to cover. Cover
    tightly and simmer for 3 to 4 hours or until the meat is tender.
    Shortly before serving, heat oil in a large skillet over medium high
    heat. Add cabbage and red pepper, stir-fry for 5 minutes. Reduce
    heat to medium low, cover and continue cooking 5 minutes. Stir
    sugar, vinegar, caraway seeds and salt into cabbage and continue
    cooking and stirring for 2 minutes. Place brisket, fat side up, on a
    broiler-safe serving platter so the surface of the meat is 3 to 4
    inches from the heat. Brush melted jelly over brisket, broil 5
    minutes or until the brisket is glazed. Carve the brisket diagonally
    across the grain into thin slices and serve with cabbage. Makes 10
    servings. Note: If desired, potatoes and carrots can be added to the
    corned beef during the last half-hour of simmering. Reserve the
    briskey cooking liquid to make split pea soup later. strain cooled
    broth, the chill it. Remove fat that hardens at surface and use
    defatted stock in the soup.
    :)

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    It's an American tradition on saint patricks day. Corned beef briskets tend to not be available in most of the rest of the country except for that season.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Mar 16 18:11:41 2024
    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 16 2024 09:56 am

    Hi Carol,

    Back again after a break of several days. An old friend of Steve's
    family passed away unexpectedly in Pennsylvania last Saturday. The
    funeral was Wednesday; we went up for it. The church house was packed
    and even more people went thru the visitation line. One of the things he always did with his grandkids was to split a package of Tasty Kakes so
    at the lunch afterwardss, they had a big basket full of the Kakes, replenished multiple times, with a note to take some and enjoy, in his memory. Afterwards, up at the house, there was enough food to feed an
    army. It was an 8 hour drive each way but I'm glad we went.

    I'd not mind the chicken but still, sorry. Foods from India largely don't appeal to me. They never did. Sorry.

    It's OK, not everybody likes everything. We never really had any until
    we moved to this area and still don't have it that often; Steve just
    wanted to try the new restaurant.


    I appreciate YOU and Steve, but nope on the cookery of India overall.

    As we appreciate you--have to figure out where/when we can get together sometime.

    Yes, but i'v gotten far less mobile in the past year, sorry to say. All those years of traipsing the world took their toll. I don't regret any of it but I'm walker headed.

    xxcarol
    --- SBBSecho 2.11-Win32
    * Origin: Shenks Express (1:275/100)
  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 17 09:31:15 2024
    //Hello Carol,//
    on *16.03.24* at *21:45:34* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Dave Drum* about *"Re: Reduced salt"*.
    Cute on the IBM version! Ruth and Steve moved a lot too.
    Anyways, Saint Patrick's day soon!
    Corned beef briskets on sale!
    Brisket can be good stuff if done right. But you can keep the cabbage that
    nearly everone insists on serving with it around this time of year. AFAIAC
    cabbage is best in fine cut cole slaw w/a creamy dressing. Not boiled to
    death and sided to slices of corned beef brisket.
    Title: KFC Style Cole Slaw
    Categories: Salads, Dairy, Chilies
    Yield: 6 Servings
    6 c Cabbage; shredded
    1 c Carrots; shredded fine
    1/4 c Sugar
    1/2 ts (ea) salt & pepper
    1/2 c Milk
    1 c Mayo; NOT Miracle Wimp
    1/2 c Buttermilk
    1/2 ts Celery seed
    3 ds Hot pepper sauce
    3 tb Minced white onion
    This is pretty close to the Colonel's cole slaw. As
    close as I could get it, anyway. - UDD
    Toss cabbage lightly with sugar, carrots, salt and
    pepper.
    Drench all with milk. Cover and refrigerate about 15
    minutes.
    Meanwhile combine the mayo, buttermilk, celery seed,
    pepper sauce and onion. Mix well with cabbage.
    Refrigerate again at least 1 hour.
    Before serving drain some of the liquid. This
    settles quite a bit. Keeps for 24 hours.

    EEK! Candied cabbage! Sacrelidge! Call for an exorcist!
    What's ^^^?

    No sugar in mine. Savory instead. Redolant with mustards, crunchy types of cabbage, red and white minced onions!
    Yes! ^^^^^^^

    Shaking that horrid image pf candied cabbage (wow),
    And Yes!

    I agree boiled cabbage has no place in my uses unless it's small abounts gracing a soup.
    A good bowl of Pho will often have some.
    :)

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Mar 17 05:55:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    If you've never had mango I scream and you get a chance to try it - by
    all means give it a whirl.

    We've had it a number of times. Didn't get it this time as we were
    doing take out, not eating in.

    Fair enuff. I keep hop[ing to see it in my stupormarkups. I'd buy it
    before Moose Tracks or Washington Cherry (two of my usuals).

    This (or maybe it was goat) was on the buffet one time. Good stuff.

    Title: Lamb Biryani
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Chilies, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Looks good except for the amount of cilantro in it. I know, needed for
    the flavor, but..........

    Here's one w/o soapweed. And using economical chicken.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Student's Chicken Biryani Pilau
    Categories: Poultry, Rice, Curry, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    It does look good--and easy. I've done a simple beef curry from time to time but never really gotten into cooking other Indian foods.

    It is easy. Like you, I'm more into other cuisines than Indian. Southeast
    Asian or Chinese are my favourite non-European or USA specialties. I do
    make side trips into Korean and Japanese .... sometimes.

    Here's one I have made a few times. You may want to cut back on the phak
    chi since it is cilantro. I approached it with caution as I know how it
    is easy to overload w/soapweed. I find that it blends right in with the
    other flavours. For the prik phom I use either bird's eye or rat dropping chilies.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Pork w/Kratiem & Prik Thai
    Categories: Oriental, Pork, Rice, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    3 tb Peanut oil
    4 tb Kratiem (garlic); chop fine
    1 lb Boneless pork; very thin
    - sliced
    1 tb Prik phom (freshly crushed
    - dried red chilies)
    2 tb Nam pla (fish sauce)
    1 ts Prik Thai (black pepper); or
    - more
    1 tb Phak chi (coriander leaf);
    - chopped

    Heat wok and add peanut oil. Saute garlic for moment and add
    pork. Cook 3-5 minutes then add remaining ingredients. Stir
    for another minute or so then serve over white rice.

    From: http://www.cooks.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 17 05:59:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: KFC Style Cole Slaw
    Categories: Salads, Dairy, Chilies
    Yield: 6 Servings

    6 c Cabbage; shredded
    1 c Carrots; shredded fine
    1/4 c Sugar
    1/2 ts (ea) salt & pepper
    1/2 c Milk
    1 c Mayo; NOT Miracle Wimp
    1/2 c Buttermilk
    1/2 ts Celery seed
    3 ds Hot pepper sauce
    3 tb Minced white onion

    EEK! Candied cabbage! Sacrelidge! Call for an exorcist!

    A quarter cup of sugar among all the other stuff is hardly "candied". I
    get it that you don't care for sweet cole slaw - but it's my preference
    over the vinegar based versions.

    No sugar in mine. Savory instead. Redolant with mustards, crunchy
    types of cabbage, red and white minced onions!

    Shaking that horrid image pf candied cabbage (wow), I agree boiled
    cabbage has no place in my uses unless it's small abounts gracing a
    soup. A good bowl of Pho will often have some.

    Well, bok choy is an Asian cabbage - and it has little taste that in't
    masked by the cooking liquid.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Quick Chicken Pho
    Categories: Poultry, Soups, Vegetables, Herbs, Pasta
    Yield: 2 Servings

    1 (3/4"/2 cm) section ginger
    2 md (to lg) green onions
    1 sm (1/2 oz/15 g) bunch cilantro
    - sprigs
    1 1/2 ts Coriander seeds
    1 Whole clove
    4 c (1 l) chicken broth
    2 c (480 ml) water
    8 oz (225g) boned, skin'd chicken
    1/2 ts Fine sea salt *
    5 oz (150 g) dried, narrow, flat
    - rice noodles
    2 ts (to 3) fish sauce
    1/2 ts Sugar or 1 ts maple syrup
    - (optional) *
    Pepper (optional)

    MMMMM----------------------OPTIONAL EXTRAS---------------------------
    Bean sprouts
    Mint sprigs
    Thai basil
    Cilantro leaves
    Lime wedges

    PREPARE THE BROTH INGREDIENTS: Peel then slice the ginger
    into 4 or 5 coins. Smack with the flat side of a knife or
    meat mallet; set aside. Thinly slice the green parts of
    the green onion to yield 2 to 3 tablespoons; set aside for
    garnish. Cut the leftover sections into pinkie-finger
    lengths, bruise, then add to the ginger.

    Coarse chop the leafy tops of the cilantro to yield 2
    tablespoons; set aside for garnish. Set the remaining
    cilantro sprigs aside.

    TOAST THE BROTH INGREDIENTS: In a 3 to 4 quart pot, toast
    the coriander seeds and clove over medium heat until
    fragrant, 1 to 2 minutes. Add the ginger and green onion
    sections. Stir for about 30 seconds, until aromatic.

    ADD THE BROTH AND BRING TO A SIMMER: Slide the pot off
    heat, wait 15 seconds or so to briefly cool, then pour in
    the broth.

    Return the pot to the burner, then add the water, cilantro
    sprigs, chicken, and salt. Bring to a boil over high heat,
    then lower the heat to gently simmer for 30 minutes.

    While the broth simmers, soak the rice noodles in hot
    water until pliable and opaque. Drain, rinse, and set
    aside.

    Remove the chicken from the broth once cooked: After 5 to
    10 minutes of simmering, the chicken should be firm and
    cooked through (press on it and it should slightly yield).

    Transfer the chicken to a bowl, flush with cold water to
    arrest the cooking, then drain. Let cool, then cut or
    shred into bite-size pieces. Cover loosely to prevent
    drying. [NOTE: If the chicken isn't quite cooked through
    when you begin to shred it, just split it into a few
    pieces and put it back in the broth for another few
    minutes until cooked through. The split pieces will
    quickly cook through.]

    STRAIN THE BROTH: When the broth is done, pour it through
    a fine-mesh strainer positioned over a 2-quart (2-liter)
    pot; line the strainer with muslin for superclear broth.
    Discard the solids. You should have about 4 cups (1 l).

    Season with fish sauce and sugar (or maple syrup), if
    needed, to create a strong savory-sweet note.

    FINISH THE PHO: Bring the strained broth to a boil over
    high heat. Put the noodles in a noodle strainer or mesh
    sieve and dunk in the hot broth to heat and soften, 5 to
    60 seconds. Lift the noodles from the pot and divide
    between the 2 bowls. [NOTE: I didn't find it necessary to
    soften my noodles any further. I just added them to the
    bowls and poured the hot broth over top. However, dunking
    them in the broth would make them more flavorful!]

    Lower the heat to keep the broth hot while you arrange the
    chicken on top of the noodles and garnish with the chopped
    green onion, cilantro, and a sprinkling of pepper. Taste
    and adjust the broth's saltiness one last time. Return the
    broth to a boil and ladle into the bowls.

    Enjoy with any extras, if you like.

    [NOTE: I just left the broth at a low simmer during this
    last step, rather than bringing it to a boil again. I
    thought it was plenty hot!]

    * I didn't have sea salt at hand - so I used popcorn salt.
    I did NOT add the sugar or maple sirup. Since I had some
    bean sprouts, limes, and cilantro leaves to hand, those
    and the sliced chilies were my garnishes -- UDD

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.simplyrecipes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 17 17:08:27 2024
    Hi Carol,

    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Mar 16 2024 09:56 am

    Hi Carol,

    Back again after a break of several days. An old friend of Steve's >
    family passed away unexpectedly in Pennsylvania last Saturday. The >
    funeral was Wednesday; we went up for it. The church house was packed >
    and even more people went thru the visitation line. One of the things
    he > always did with his grandkids was to split a package of Tasty
    Kakes so > at the lunch afterwardss, they had a big basket full of the
    Kakes, > replenished multiple times, with a note to take some and


    It's OK, not everybody likes everything. We never really had
    any until > we moved to this area and still don't have it that often;
    Steve just > wanted to try the new restaurant. CS> > CS> > > CS> I
    appreciate YOU and Steve, but nope on the cookery of India overall. CS>
    As we appreciate you--have to figure out where/when we can get
    together > sometime.

    Yes, but i'v gotten far less mobile in the past year, sorry to say.
    All those years of traipsing the world took their toll. I don't
    regret any of it but I'm walker headed.

    We've got a camper and are basically retired. (G) I've also got a cousin
    in your area, found that out when she came for my dad's funeral back in 2017--she teaches at one of the local community colleges.

    We checked several stores for corned beef this year, turned out Lidl not
    only had the best price but also the best looking ones. Ended up buying
    3 as they had a 10lb limit, tho ours ended up being slightly over. Due
    to this and that, one will be cooked as cb&c later this week, the other
    2 will be made into pastrami whenever Steve gets around to it but
    probably by the end of the week. Besides the cabbage, I usually add
    potatoes and carrots to the corned beef, making it on the order of a New England boiled dinner.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Mar 17 17:18:13 2024
    Hi Dave,


    If you've never had mango I scream and you get a chance to try it - by
    all means give it a whirl.

    We've had it a number of times. Didn't get it this time as we were
    doing take out, not eating in.

    Fair enuff. I keep hop[ing to see it in my stupormarkups. I'd buy it before Moose Tracks or Washington Cherry (two of my usuals).

    I made the mistake of getting a Moose Tracks cone once, and then the
    young man scooping and his manager (!!) both denied there was peanut
    butter in it. Steve tasted it, agreed with me and they finally conceeded
    that yes, there is peanut butter and that they need to post a sign to
    warn peanut sensitive people. They also comped that cone--which Steve
    finished and I got another flavor. My usual is some sort of chocolate so
    at our usual place in town I'll split a small scoop with chocolate on
    the bottom, something else on top. Last time it was chocolate raspberry
    on top--yummy. This place makes their own ice cream, no artificial
    colors or flavors.

    This (or maybe it was goat) was on the buffet one time. Good stuff.

    Title: Lamb Biryani
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Chilies, Dairy, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Looks good except for the amount of cilantro in it. I know, needed for
    the flavor, but..........

    Here's one w/o soapweed. And using economical chicken.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Student's Chicken Biryani Pilau
    Categories: Poultry, Rice, Curry, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    It does look good--and easy. I've done a simple beef curry from time to time but never really gotten into cooking other Indian foods.

    It is easy. Like you, I'm more into other cuisines than Indian.
    Southeast Asian or Chinese are my favourite non-European or USA specialties. I do make side trips into Korean and Japanese ....
    sometimes.

    I think my most common "make" other than American is Italian, followed
    by sorta Mexican and mock Chinese. About once a year, when the weather
    starts cooling off, I'll pull out all the stops and do sauerbraten with
    red cabbage and (usually) noodles. Eating out, OTOH, we'll range all
    over the planet.

    Here's one I have made a few times. You may want to cut back on the
    phak chi since it is cilantro. I approached it with caution as I
    know DD> how it is easy to overload w/soapweed. I find that it blends
    right in DD> with the other flavours. For the prik phom I use either
    bird's eye or DD> rat dropping chilies.


    Title: Pork w/Kratiem & Prik Thai
    Categories: Oriental, Pork, Rice, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    Something to think about...........


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    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Mar 18 16:45:06 2024
    Re: Reduced salt was: 3/5 Nat
    By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Mar 17 2024 05:08 pm


    Hi Ruth! We skipped the corned beef this year. Don kinda likes it but not that much and he's not fond of adding cabbage to it. He does like a little corned beep hash from time to time with breakfast.

    His Mom is is from an Irish family so he's been served a LOT of corned beef brisket and cabbage. He got tired of it by the time he was twenty. I got 1 on sale at this time of year for him and he mentioned it so we swapped the recipe about and ended up with something like pot roasted corned beef brisket stew. It's well liked here.

    I've never MM'ed it but here's how it goes.

    1 corned beef brisket, 2-3lbs
    2 cans of undrained corn
    3-4 yukon potatoes, cut to large bite size
    5 medium carrots cut lengthwise then to 1inch segments
    32oz beef broth
    1/2 cup red wine or rose
    Black pepper to taste
    1 cup mushrooms, sliced

    Start corockpot on high to hit simmer then reduce to low to maintain. It's started about dinner time and is ready by lunch next day having slow simmered all night the into the day.

    Tip, do not trim any fat off the corned beef brisket. (may trim servings later if desired).

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Mar 19 05:42:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    If you've never had mango I scream and you get a chance to try it - by
    all means give it a whirl.

    We've had it a number of times. Didn't get it this time as we were
    doing take out, not eating in.

    Fair enuff. I keep hop[ing to see it in my stupormarkups. I'd buy it before Moose Tracks or Washington Cherry (two of my usuals).

    I made the mistake of getting a Moose Tracks cone once, and then the
    young man scooping and his manager (!!) both denied there was peanut butter in it. Steve tasted it, agreed with me and they finally
    conceeded that yes, there is peanut butter and that they need to post a sign to warn peanut sensitive people. They also comped that cone--which Steve finished and I got another flavor. My usual is some sort of chocolate so at our usual place in town I'll split a small scoop with chocolate on the bottom, something else on top. Last time it was
    chocolate raspberry on top--yummy. This place makes their own ice
    cream, no artificial colors or flavors.

    That sent me to the search engines. I don't get peanut flavour in the
    stuff I get (It's Your Churn brand) I find that they do sell a "Peanut
    Moose Tracks" variety - which I have never tried. The disclaimer on the "Extreme Moose Tracks" says "Contains milk, soy. Produced in a facility
    that uses wheat, egg, peanuts and tree nuts." It's Your Churn is made by
    Denali Flavors.

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I think my most common "make" other than American is Italian, followed
    by sorta Mexican and mock Chinese. About once a year, when the weather starts cooling off, I'll pull out all the stops and do sauerbraten with red cabbage and (usually) noodles. Eating out, OTOH, we'll range all
    over the planet.

    Living single - my housemate seldom is on my meal schedule, nor does he
    partake of wehat I make except on rare occasions - I tend to so very
    simple meals for the most part with the occasional foray into something
    more elavourate that freezes well.

    Sauerbraten is fairly easy and can be made with slow cooker - as I did
    when I made the venison sauerbraten for the Y2K picnic that I hosted.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dirty Dave's Sauerbraten Marinade
    Categories: Marinades, Rubs, Herbs
    Yield: 1 Recipe

    MMMMM----------------------------RUB---------------------------------
    2 ts Salt
    1 ts Ground ginger

    MMMMM--------------------------MARINADE-------------------------------
    2 1/2 c Water
    2 c Cider or red wine vinegar
    1/3 c Sugar
    2 md Onions; peeled, sliced,
    - divided
    2 tb Mixed pickling spice;
    - divided
    1 ts Whole peppercorns; divided
    8 Whole cloves; divided
    2 Turkish bay leaves; divided
    2 tb Oil

    In a small bowl, combine salt and ginger; rub over meat.

    Place in a deep glass bowl. In a large bowl, combine the
    water, vinegar and sugar. Pour half of marinade into a
    large saucepan; add half of the onions, pickling spices,
    peppercorns, cloves and bay leaves. Bring to a boil. Pour
    over roast; turn to coat. Cover and refrigerate for 2 - 4
    days, turning twice a day.

    To the remaining marinade, add the remaining onions,
    pickling spices, peppercorns, cloves and bay leaves. Cover
    and refrigerate.

    TO COOK: Drain and discard marinade from meat; pat dry.
    Brown roast in oil on all sides. Place in a Dutch oven or
    crock-pot. Put one cup of reserved marinade with all of
    the onions and seasonings into a small sauce pan and bring
    to a boil. Pour over meat (cover and refrigerate balance
    of marinade). If using the Dutch oven cook at a simmer for
    3 hours or until the meat is tender. If using a crock-pot
    put the meat into the crock-pot and set to low, cook until
    meat is tender.

    TO MAKE GRAVY: Strain cooking juices, discarding onions
    and seasonings. Add enough reserved marinade to the
    cooking juices to measure 3 cups. Pour into a large
    saucepan; bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer until
    gravy is thickened. Slice roast and serve with gravy.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 19 17:06:53 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Fair enuff. I keep hop[ing to see it in my stupormarkups. I'd buy it before Moose Tracks or Washington Cherry (two of my usuals).

    I made the mistake of getting a Moose Tracks cone once, and then the
    young man scooping and his manager (!!) both denied there was peanut butter in it. Steve tasted it, agreed with me and they finally
    conceeded that yes, there is peanut butter and that they need to post a sign to warn peanut sensitive people. They also comped that cone--which Steve finished and I got another flavor. My usual is some sort of chocolate so at our usual place in town I'll split a small scoop with chocolate on the bottom, something else on top. Last time it was
    chocolate raspberry on top--yummy. This place makes their own ice
    cream, no artificial colors or flavors.

    That sent me to the search engines. I don't get peanut flavour in the stuff I get (It's Your Churn brand) I find that they do sell a "Peanut Moose Tracks" variety - which I have never tried. The disclaimer on
    the "Extreme Moose Tracks" says "Contains milk, soy. Produced in a facility that uses wheat, egg, peanuts and tree nuts." It's Your Churn
    is made by Denali Flavors.

    I don't recall what brand of ice cream this was, but we were in western
    NY when we got it. I'm half inclined to say Hershey's but not 100% sure
    on it.

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I think my most common "make" other than American is Italian, followed
    by sorta Mexican and mock Chinese. About once a year, when the weather starts cooling off, I'll pull out all the stops and do sauerbraten with red cabbage and (usually) noodles. Eating out, OTOH, we'll range all
    over the planet.

    Living single - my housemate seldom is on my meal schedule, nor does
    he partake of wehat I make except on rare occasions - I tend to so
    very
    simple meals for the most part with the occasional foray into
    something more elavourate that freezes well.

    I cook for me and Steve most of the time. This morning/afternoon we were
    down south of Raleigh, stopped at a Peruvian restaurant. Steve had a 1/4 chicken (dark meat), maduros (sweet plantains) and black beans. I had a
    1/4 chicken (white meat), maduros and green beans, brought about half of
    it home. I just don't eat a lot any more so we have a lot of leftovers
    at home, take homes at restaurants.

    Sauerbraten is fairly easy and can be made with slow cooker - as I did when I made the venison sauerbraten for the Y2K picnic that I hosted.

    I used to use the crock pot but switched to a dutch oven some years ago.
    Not sure why, but it seems to have a better flavor. (G)


    Title: Dirty Dave's Sauerbraten Marinade
    Categories: Marinades, Rubs, Herbs
    Yield: 1 Recipe

    MMMMM----------------------------RUB---------------------------------
    2 ts Salt
    1 ts Ground ginger

    I don't do a rub.


    MMMMM--------------------------MARINADE-------------------------------
    2 1/2 c Water
    2 c Cider or red wine vinegar
    1/3 c Sugar
    2 md Onions; peeled, sliced,
    - divided
    2 tb Mixed pickling spice;
    - divided
    1 ts Whole peppercorns; divided
    8 Whole cloves; divided
    2 Turkish bay leaves; divided
    2 tb Oil

    I use bay leaves, juniper berries, whole peppercorns, whole allspice
    berries and whole cloves in my spicing. Also usually use red wine or
    cider vinegar (depends on what's on hand, sugar, onions and water.


    TO MAKE GRAVY: Strain cooking juices, discarding onions
    and seasonings. Add enough reserved marinade to the
    cooking juices to measure 3 cups. Pour into a large
    saucepan; bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer until
    gravy is thickened. Slice roast and serve with gravy.

    I do a gingersnap gravy, about a dozen of them crushed with a bit of
    sugar to a couple of cups of the cooking liquid. I usually do a double
    batch of gravy so I have some to freeze with the left over meat.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Mar 21 06:40:02 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    chocolate so at our usual place in town I'll split a small scoop with chocolate on the bottom, something else on top. Last time it was
    chocolate raspberry on top--yummy. This place makes their own ice
    cream, no artificial colors or flavors.

    That sent me to the search engines. I don't get peanut flavour in the stuff I get (It's Your Churn brand) I find that they do sell a "Peanut Moose Tracks" variety - which I have never tried. The disclaimer on
    the "Extreme Moose Tracks" says "Contains milk, soy. Produced in a facility that uses wheat, egg, peanuts and tree nuts." It's Your Churn
    is made by Denali Flavors.

    I don't recall what brand of ice cream this was, but we were in western
    NY when we got it. I'm half inclined to say Hershey's but not 100% sure
    on it.

    So back to the search engine - I've never seen Hershey's I scream. Which
    makes sense now that I know they are a east and northeast U.S. company.
    (The Ice Cream part anyway)

    Of course, that branched me to:

    Denali Flavours is a Wisconsin company which originated Moose Tracks -
    to wit: Moose Tracks is a branded flavor of ice cream owned and licensed
    by Denali Flavors Inc. (first made in 1988) The name "Moose Tracks"
    came from a mini golf course in Marquette, Michigan located in the
    Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which was right down the street from
    Jilbert's Dairy, the first ice cream shop to carry Original Moose Tracks.

    Many different brands license the Moose Tracks flavor including Strohs, Belmont (ALDI), Market Pantry (Target), Private Selection (Kroger Co.),
    Dean's, Signature Select (Safeway/Albertsons), Mayfield, Kawartha Dairy Company, and Publix.

    No mention of Hershey's. And you, of course, are correct that peanut
    butter cups were a part of the original Moose Tracks - The Original
    Moose Tracks product description is as follows, "vanilla ice cream with
    peanut butter cups and famous Moose Tracks fudge"

    According to Denali's web site there is no peanut butter in the "Extreme!
    Moose Tracks - A chocolate lover's dream of Chocolate ice cream, melt- in-your-mouth Moose Tracks Fudge-filled cups, and Famous Moose Tracks
    Fudge!"

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I think my most common "make" other than American is Italian, followed
    by sorta Mexican and mock Chinese. About once a year, when the weather starts cooling off, I'll pull out all the stops and do sauerbraten with red cabbage and (usually) noodles. Eating out, OTOH, we'll range all
    over the planet.

    Living single - my housemate seldom is on my meal schedule, nor does
    he partake of wehat I make except on rare occasions - I tend to do
    very simple meals for the most part with the occasional foray into something more elaborate that freezes well.

    I cook for me and Steve most of the time. This morning/afternoon we
    were down south of Raleigh, stopped at a Peruvian restaurant. Steve had
    a 1/4 chicken (dark meat), maduros (sweet plantains) and black beans. I had a 1/4 chicken (white meat), maduros and green beans, brought about half of it home. I just don't eat a lot any more so we have a lot of leftovers at home, take homes at restaurants.

    Plantains are not bananas, but they are close relatives. They are starchy, less sweet, and usually cooked before eating. And since I have a bananana allergy I believe I'll have to pass.

    Sauerbraten is fairly easy and can be made with slow cooker - as I did when I made the venison sauerbraten for the Y2K picnic that I hosted.

    I used to use the crock pot but switched to a dutch oven some years
    ago. Not sure why, but it seems to have a better flavor. (G)

    I can't use my current Dutch oven on my stove. It's a flat-top electric
    and the pot has cast-in stubby legs that hold it off of the heat just
    enough to screw things up. At my previous place I had electric coils
    so it worked just fine.

    Title: Dirty Dave's Sauerbraten Marinade
    Categories: Marinades, Rubs, Herbs
    Yield: 1 Recipe

    MMMMM----------------------------RUB---------------------------------
    2 ts Salt
    1 ts Ground ginger

    I don't do a rub.

    Fair enough. I do .... mostly for the flavour.

    MMMMM--------------------------MARINADE-------------------------------
    2 1/2 c Water
    2 c Cider or red wine vinegar
    1/3 c Sugar
    2 md Onions; peeled, sliced,
    - divided
    2 tb Mixed pickling spice;
    - divided
    1 ts Whole peppercorns; divided
    8 Whole cloves; divided
    2 Turkish bay leaves; divided
    2 tb Oil

    I use bay leaves, juniper berries, whole peppercorns, whole allspice berries and whole cloves in my spicing. Also usually use red wine or
    cider vinegar (depends on what's on hand, sugar, onions and water.

    I mostly stay away from juniper berries unless they are in a spice mix
    already and not prominent in the flavour.

    TO MAKE GRAVY: Strain cooking juices, discarding onions
    and seasonings. Add enough reserved marinade to the
    cooking juices to measure 3 cups. Pour into a large
    saucepan; bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer until
    gravy is thickened. Slice roast and serve with gravy.

    I do a gingersnap gravy, about a dozen of them crushed with a bit of
    sugar to a couple of cups of the cooking liquid. I usually do a double batch of gravy so I have some to freeze with the left over meat.

    Another thing I don't care for (gingersnaps). If I need ginger flavour
    I have ginger I can grate/chop or a jar of ground ginger. But, most of
    the time there is sufficient ginger flavour in the drippings (due to the
    rub) that I don't need to add. Bv)=

    In this recipe I substituted Lemonades for the gingersnaps with
    notable success.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Sauerbraten Soup
    Categories: Beef, Herbs, Vegetables, Pasta
    Yield: 1 1/2 quarts

    2 tb Olive oil
    2 lb Beef chuck; in 1" cubes
    1 tb Mixed pickling spices
    1 Bay leaf
    6 c Beef broth; divided
    1 md Yellow onion; chopped
    16 oz Jar shredded sweet & sour red
    - cabbage
    1/2 ts Ground ginger
    1/4 ts Ground cloves
    8 Gingersnap cookies, crushed *
    Cooked wide egg noodles

    * I used Girl Scout Lemonade cookies - UDD

    In a large skillet, heat oil over medium-high heat;
    brown meat in batches. Transfer meat to a 4 or 5 qt.
    slow cooker.

    Place pickling spices and bay leaf on a double thickness
    of cheesecloth. Gather corners of cloth to enclose
    seasonings; tie securely with kitchen string. Add spice
    bag, 4 cups broth, onion, cabbage, ginger and cloves to
    slow cooker. Cook, covered, on high 3 hours.

    Meanwhile, in a saucepan, heat remaining broth and
    cookies over medium heat; cook and stir until
    thickened, about 10 minutes. Transfer to slow cooker;
    cook, covered, until meat is tender, about 1 hour
    longer. Discard spice bag. Serve with noodles.

    Jennifer Yerkes, Franklin Square, New York

    Makes: 12 cups

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Dave Drum on Thu Mar 21 15:48:47 2024
    The name "Moose Tracks" came from a mini golf course in Marquette, Michigan located in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which was right down the street from Jilbert's Dairy, the first ice cream shop to carry Original Moose Tracks.
    Dave! We have golf too. And You?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/107 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Mar 21 07:55:20 2024
    I cook for me and Steve most of the time. This morning/afternoon
    we
    were down south of Raleigh, stopped at a Peruvian restaurant.
    Steve had
    a 1/4 chicken (dark meat), maduros (sweet plantains) and black
    beans. I
    had a 1/4 chicken (white meat), maduros and green beans, brought
    about
    half of it home.

    Did they serve the plantains in the form of "fritters"? The first time I knowingly tried plantains was at a Puerto Rican restaurant. They were
    served in a form that looked a lot like my mother's/grandmother's
    cornbread "fritters" (i.e. look like cornbread pancackes). They were delicious. I only got to visit there a couple of times before it closed.
    :(

    Mike


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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Denis Mosko on Fri Mar 22 05:03:53 2024
    Denis Mosko wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    The name "Moose Tracks" came from a mini golf course in Marquette, Michigan located in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which was
    right down the street from Jilbert's Dairy, the first ice cream
    shop to carry Original Moose Tracks.

    Dave! We have golf too. And You?

    Gold is ubiquitous. I am not, however, a player of pasture pool. Nor
    the "mini golf" mentioned in the recipe.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Golf Balls
    Categories: Candy, Nuts, Chocolate, Snacks
    Yield: 36 Servings

    2 c Creamy peanut butter
    2 c Rice krispies
    2 c Powdered sugar
    1/2 c Soft butter
    6 oz Chocolate chips
    6 oz Butterscotch chips
    1/2 Bar of paraffin

    Mix the first 4 ingredients in bowl.

    Shape into balls and place on wax paper.

    Melt remaining ingredients in saucepan.

    Dip balls in warm sauce, place on wax paper
    and refrigerate.

    Makes about 3 dozen.

    From: http://www.grouprecipes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Dave Drum on Fri Mar 22 13:39:29 2024
    //Hello Dave,//
    on *22.03.24* at *5:03:53* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Golf"*.
    Dave! We have golf too. And You?
    Gold is ubiquitous. I am not, however, a player of pasture pool. Nor the "mini golf" mentioned in the recipe.
    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
    Title: Golf Balls
    Categories: Candy, Nuts, Chocolate, Snacks
    Yield: 36 Servings
    2 c Creamy peanut butter
    2 c Rice krispies
    2 c Powdered sugar
    1/2 c Soft butter
    6 oz Chocolate chips
    6 oz Butterscotch chips
    1/2 Bar of paraffin
    Mix the first 4 ingredients in bowl.
    Shape into balls and place on wax paper.
    Melt remaining ingredients in saucepan.
    Dip balls in warm sauce, place on wax paper
    and refrigerate.
    Makes about 3 dozen.
    We have desktop personal computer with Golf Ball as power button. And You? Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Mar 21 12:24:20 2024
    Hi Dave,

    That sent me to the search engines. I don't get peanut flavour in the stuff I get (It's Your Churn brand) I find that they do sell a "Peanut Moose Tracks" variety - which I have never tried. The disclaimer on
    the "Extreme Moose Tracks" says "Contains milk, soy. Produced in a facility that uses wheat, egg, peanuts and tree nuts." It's Your Churn
    is made by Denali Flavors.

    I don't recall what brand of ice cream this was, but we were in western
    NY when we got it. I'm half inclined to say Hershey's but not 100% sure
    on it.

    So back to the search engine - I've never seen Hershey's I scream.
    Which makes sense now that I know they are a east and northeast U.S. company. (The Ice Cream part anyway)

    Yes, we have seen it down here (NC) from time to time but the last place
    that we knew that had it closed a while back. A new bbq place opened in
    the same location but without the ice cream bar.

    Of course, that branched me to:

    Denali Flavours is a Wisconsin company which originated Moose Tracks -
    to wit: Moose Tracks is a branded flavor of ice cream owned and
    licensed by Denali Flavors Inc. (first made in 1988) The name "Moose Tracks"
    came from a mini golf course in Marquette, Michigan located in the
    Upper Peninsula of Michigan, which was right down the street from Jilbert's Dairy, the first ice cream shop to carry Original Moose
    Tracks.

    Many different brands license the Moose Tracks flavor including
    Strohs, Belmont (ALDI), Market Pantry (Target), Private Selection
    (Kroger Co.), Dean's, Signature Select (Safeway/Albertsons), Mayfield, Kawartha Dairy Company, and Publix.

    No mention of Hershey's. And you, of course, are correct that peanut butter cups were a part of the original Moose Tracks - The Original
    Moose Tracks product description is as follows, "vanilla ice cream
    with peanut butter cups and famous Moose Tracks fudge"

    According to Denali's web site there is no peanut butter in the
    "Extreme! Moose Tracks - A chocolate lover's dream of Chocolate ice
    cream, melt-
    in-your-mouth Moose Tracks Fudge-filled cups, and Famous Moose Tracks Fudge!"

    Now that one sounds like one I'd order. Last night's cone was chocolate
    on the bottom, raspberry on the top. The young lady that works Wednesday
    nights knows my regular is chocolate bottom, something else on top. She
    was training in a new worker last night.

    starts cooling off, I'll pull out all the stops and do sauerbraten with red cabbage and (usually) noodles. Eating out, OTOH, we'll range all
    over the planet.

    Living single - my housemate seldom is on my meal schedule, nor does
    he partake of wehat I make except on rare occasions - I tend to do
    very simple meals for the most part with the occasional foray into something more elaborate that freezes well.

    I cook for me and Steve most of the time. This morning/afternoon we
    were down south of Raleigh, stopped at a Peruvian restaurant. Steve had
    a 1/4 chicken (dark meat), maduros (sweet plantains) and black beans. I had a 1/4 chicken (white meat), maduros and green beans, brought about half of it home. I just don't eat a lot any more so we have a lot of leftovers at home, take homes at restaurants.

    Plantains are not bananas, but they are close relatives. They are
    starchy, less sweet, and usually cooked before eating. And since I
    have a bananana allergy I believe I'll have to pass.

    Smart idea, don't need any more trips to the ER.


    Sauerbraten is fairly easy and can be made with slow cooker - as I did when I made the venison sauerbraten for the Y2K picnic that I hosted.

    I used to use the crock pot but switched to a dutch oven some years
    ago. Not sure why, but it seems to have a better flavor. (G)

    I can't use my current Dutch oven on my stove. It's a flat-top
    electric and the pot has cast-in stubby legs that hold it off of the
    heat just
    enough to screw things up. At my previous place I had electric coils
    so it worked just fine.

    I've got both cast iron and stainless steel dutch ovens. The place we
    rented in WF had the old electric coils, bought a new stove when we
    bought the house and this one has the flat top. If I had my druthers,
    I'd ruther have a gas stove but Steve has nixed that because of my
    asthma. BTW, the fall RV/radio net rally will be in Pigeon Forge, TN so
    I've already told Steve that we're going to visit the Lodge outlet.


    Title: Dirty Dave's Sauerbraten Marinade
    Categories: Marinades, Rubs, Herbs
    Yield: 1 Recipe

    MMMMM----------------------------RUB---------------------------------
    2 ts Salt
    1 ts Ground ginger

    I don't do a rub.

    Fair enough. I do .... mostly for the flavour.

    MMMMM--------------------------MARINADE-------------------------------
    2 1/2 c Water
    2 c Cider or red wine vinegar
    1/3 c Sugar
    2 md Onions; peeled, sliced,
    - divided
    2 tb Mixed pickling spice;
    - divided
    1 ts Whole peppercorns; divided
    8 Whole cloves; divided
    2 Turkish bay leaves; divided
    2 tb Oil

    I use bay leaves, juniper berries, whole peppercorns, whole allspice berries and whole cloves in my spicing. Also usually use red wine or
    cider vinegar (depends on what's on hand, sugar, onions and water.

    I mostly stay away from juniper berries unless they are in a spice mix already and not prominent in the flavour.

    TO MAKE GRAVY: Strain cooking juices, discarding onions
    and seasonings. Add enough reserved marinade to the
    cooking juices to measure 3 cups. Pour into a large
    saucepan; bring to a boil. Reduce heat and simmer until
    gravy is thickened. Slice roast and serve with gravy.

    I do a gingersnap gravy, about a dozen of them crushed with a bit of
    sugar to a couple of cups of the cooking liquid. I usually do a double batch of gravy so I have some to freeze with the left over meat.


    CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE <<

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Mar 21 12:34:54 2024
    Hi Dave,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<


    Another thing I don't care for (gingersnaps). If I need ginger flavour
    I have ginger I can grate/chop or a jar of ground ginger. But, most of
    the time there is sufficient ginger flavour in the drippings (due to
    the rub) that I don't need to add. Bv)=

    Your choice, I've always used gingersnaps. My mom told us that whenever
    he mom made sauerbraten, her husband was the one that had to hunt down
    the gingersnaps, usually on Sunday mornings in a time when very few
    stores were open on Sunday. I can recall my mom making it only once,
    with a venison roast that hadn't been brined to get rid of the gamey
    taste. It was very strong. (G)


    In this recipe I substituted Lemonades for the gingersnaps with
    notable success.

    I've tasted those cookies, less than impressed with them.


    Title: Sauerbraten Soup
    Categories: Beef, Herbs, Vegetables, Pasta
    Yield: 1 1/2 quarts

    Different, but sounds interesting.

    ---
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Mike Powell on Thu Mar 21 12:40:22 2024
    Hi Mike,

    Steve had
    a 1/4 chicken (dark meat), maduros (sweet plantains) and black
    beans. I
    had a 1/4 chicken (white meat), maduros and green beans, brought

    Did they serve the plantains in the form of "fritters"? The first
    time I knowingly tried plantains was at a Puerto Rican restaurant.

    No, they were in the shape of hush puppies.

    They were MP> served in a form that looked a lot like my
    mother's/grandmother's MP> cornbread "fritters" (i.e. look like
    cornbread pancackes). They were MP> delicious. I only got to visit
    there a couple of times before it MP> closed. :(

    Sigh! We've had experiences like that. Other times we've been in a
    location for a short time and then (military) moved on before we could
    get back. If you're ever in San Angelo, TX, go to Zentner's Daughter, a steakhouse. We were in San Angleo only a few months but got there twice,
    both times bringing home enough leftovers to feed us for several days
    (our girls were young and didn't eat a lot).

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Denis Mosko on Sat Mar 23 06:25:00 2024
    Denis Mosko wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    //Hello Dave,//
    on *22.03.24* at *5:03:53* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Denis Mosko* about *"Re: Golf"*.
    Dave! We have golf too. And You?
    Gold is ubiquitous. I am not, however, a player of pasture pool. Nor the "mini golf" mentioned in the recipe.
    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
    Title: Golf Balls
    Categories: Candy, Nuts, Chocolate, Snacks
    Yield: 36 Servings

    We have desktop personal computer with Golf Ball as power button. And
    You? Regards,
    Denis Mosko

    Never seen such a thing. Wouldn't work on any of my confusers. Any goof
    ball I've ever had anything to do with has ended up in the rough or in
    the nwater. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Water Bagels
    Categories: Breads
    Yield: 18 Bagels

    1 c Milk; scalded
    1/4 c Butter
    1 tb Sugar
    1 ts Salt
    2 1/4 ts Pkg active dry yeast
    2 lg Eggs
    3 3/4 c All-purpose flour
    2 qt Water; almost boiling
    1 tb Sugar
    1 Egg white; beaten

    Set oven @ 400oF/205oC.

    Combine the scalded milk, butter, sugar and salt. Warm
    gently to a temperature of between 105oF/41oC and
    115oF/46oC. Remove from the heat and add and dissolve
    the yeast in the mixture. Wait 3 minutes while the
    yeast works. Blend in the eggs and flour.

    Knead this soft dough for 10 minutes, adding flour if
    needed to make it firm enough to handle. Place in a
    greased bowl, cover and let rise until doubled in bulk.
    Punch down and divide into equal parts (one part for
    each finished bagel).

    Roll each piece into a rope about 7" long and tapered at
    the ends. Wet the ends and form a doughnut-shaped ring
    from each rope. Cover and let rise on a floured board
    for about 15 minutes. Place in a refrigerator for 2
    hours to firm up the dough.

    Bring the water to a boil and add the sugar. Drop the
    rings, one at a time, into the boiling sugar water. When
    the bagels surface, turn them over and cook another 3
    minutes. Skim the bagels out of the water and place on
    an ungreased baking sheet. Coat each with beaten egg
    white. Bake in the oven until golden brown (The longer
    you bake, the crisper the bagel).

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Mar 23 06:26:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    According to Denali's web site there is no peanut butter in the
    "Extreme! Moose Tracks - A chocolate lover's dream of Chocolate ice
    cream, melt- in-your-mouth Moose Tracks Fudge-filled cups, and
    Famous Moose Tracks Fudge!"

    Now that one sounds like one I'd order. Last night's cone was chocolate
    on the bottom, raspberry on the top. The young lady that works
    Wednesday nights knows my regular is chocolate bottom, something else
    on top. She was training in a new worker last night.

    Most of my breakfast places know my "regular" order so if I want something
    a bit different I have to flag my server down before the order is sent
    to the galley.

    8<----- EXCISION ----->8

    I can't use my current Dutch oven on my stove. It's a flat-top
    electric and the pot has cast-in stubby legs that hold it off of
    the heat just enough to screw things up. At my previous place I
    had electric coils so it worked just fine.

    I've got both cast iron and stainless steel dutch ovens. The place we rented in WF had the old electric coils, bought a new stove when we
    bought the house and this one has the flat top. If I had my druthers,
    I'd ruther have a gas stove but Steve has nixed that because of my
    asthma. BTW, the fall RV/radio net rally will be in Pigeon Forge, TN so I've already told Steve that we're going to visit the Lodge outlet.

    Been there, done that. At the original in South Pittsburg - just off of
    I-24 pn the way to Chatanooga. Scored a really nice 12" ridged skillet
    and an oval griddle which sees a lot of use.

    I also found that they do enamelled cast iron. so if I need to replace
    any of the uber-expensive LeCreuset stuff I bargain shopped on eBay I
    can get it at Lodge for much more reasonable (and Made-In-America) cost.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Mountain Man Breakfast
    Categories: Five, Pork, Potatoes, Cheese, Eggs
    Yield: 6 servings

    2 lb Sausage
    2 lb Frozen hash brown potatoes
    8 lg Eggs
    +=BEATEN WITH=+
    1/4 c Water
    2 c Grated cheese

    In a 12" Camp Dutch Oven over a full bed of hot coals,
    fry and crumble sausage.

    Remove cooked sausage and drain on paper towels.

    Using the sausage drippings in the pan, brown potatoes
    and spread them evenly in bottom of Dutch oven.

    Pour beaten eggs into the Dutch oven, allowing them to
    seep down to the bottom. Cover the Dutch oven and place
    it directly onto 5 to 10 hot coals. Place another 12 to
    18 hot coals on top of the Dutch oven lid. Let cook
    until eggs are firm, about 40 minutes. Open the lid and
    sprinkle with Cheddar cheese. Cover and continue to cook
    until cheese has melted, about 5 minutes.

    Makes: 6 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.lodgecastiron.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Mar 23 06:28:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Hi Dave,

    Another thing I don't care for (gingersnaps). If I need ginger flavour
    I have ginger I can grate/chop or a jar of ground ginger. But, most of
    the time there is sufficient ginger flavour in the drippings (due to
    the rub) that I don't need to add. Bv)=

    Your choice, I've always used gingersnaps. My mom told us that whenever
    he mom made sauerbraten, her husband was the one that had to hunt down
    the gingersnaps, usually on Sunday mornings in a time when very few
    stores were open on Sunday. I can recall my mom making it only once,
    with a venison roast that hadn't been brined to get rid of the gamey taste. It was very strong. (G)

    That "gamey" taste comes from the adrenaline pumped into the bloodstream because the animal is frightened.

    In this recipe I substituted Lemonades for the gingersnaps with
    notable success.

    I've tasted those cookies, less than impressed with them.

    My favourite G.S. cookie is Thin Mints. I mis-typed in my previous. I
    used "Lemon-Ups" rather than the icing coated "Lemonades". My least
    liked G.S. variety is Do-Si-Dos (P-nut butter sandwich). If I'm gonna
    do a peanut butter sandwich I'll use Ritz crackers. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Girl Scout Mint Cookie Pie
    Categories: Pies, Desserts, Chocolate, Nuts, Dairy
    Yield: 6 Servings

    16 Girl Scout thin mint cookies
    3 Egg whites
    1/8 ts Salt
    3/4 c Sugar
    1/2 c Chopped nuts
    1/2 ts Vanilla
    1 c Heavy cream; whipped
    Shaved chocolate

    Set oven @ 325oF/160oC. Roll cookies between two sheets
    of wax paper to make fine crumbs (can freeze cookies a
    few minutes for easy rolling). Beat egg whites and salt
    until stiff and glossy. Fold in crumbs; nuts and vanilla.
    Spread in buttered 8" pie plate. Bake for 35 minutes.

    Cool and refrigerate 3 hours. Cover w/whipped cream and
    shaved chocolate.

    Recipe by: Denise Bradshaw

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 23 11:53:52 2024
    Hi Dave,

    cream, melt- in-your-mouth Moose Tracks Fudge-filled cups, and
    Famous Moose Tracks Fudge!"

    Now that one sounds like one I'd order. Last night's cone was chocolate
    on the bottom, raspberry on the top. The young lady that works
    Wednesday nights knows my regular is chocolate bottom, something else
    on top. She was training in a new worker last night.

    Most of my breakfast places know my "regular" order so if I want
    something a bit different I have to flag my server down before the
    order is sent to the galley.

    Can you call ahead and let them know you're coming but wanting something
    other than the usual? Or are there other ways to let them know, should
    the server be otherwise tied up, sees you and puts in "the usual"?

    8<----- EXCISION ----->8

    the heat just enough to screw things up. At my previous place I
    had electric coils so it worked just fine.

    I've got both cast iron and stainless steel dutch ovens. The place we
    I'd ruther have a gas stove but Steve has nixed that because of my
    asthma. BTW, the fall RV/radio net rally will be in Pigeon Forge, TN so I've already told Steve that we're going to visit the Lodge outlet.

    Been there, done that. At the original in South Pittsburg - just off
    of I-24 pn the way to Chatanooga. Scored a really nice 12" ridged
    skillet
    and an oval griddle which sees a lot of use.

    We saw a nice looking fry pan (looked to be about 7") at Bass Pro Shops
    the other day in their Lodge display. Thought about it but figured we'd
    wait until we go to the outlet--might get it at a better price. While we
    were living in Savannah, we got a round griddle (about 9" diameter) that
    gets a lot of use. I've got a lot of other cast iron, including a small pot/cover we found at ReStore--made in Mexico--that also gets a lot of
    use.


    I also found that they do enamelled cast iron. so if I need to replace
    any of the uber-expensive LeCreuset stuff I bargain shopped on eBay I
    can get it at Lodge for much more reasonable (and Made-In-America)
    cost.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, do I replace the regular cast iron with enamel clad or
    not? Tempting, but probably not. May pick up a piece or two but I've a
    good variety of pots/pans already so it would have to be something I
    don't have but could use.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Mar 23 12:04:11 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Your choice, I've always used gingersnaps. My mom told us that whenever
    he mom made sauerbraten, her husband was the one that had to hunt down
    the gingersnaps, usually on Sunday mornings in a time when very few
    stores were open on Sunday. I can recall my mom making it only once,
    with a venison roast that hadn't been brined to get rid of the gamey taste. It was very strong. (G)

    That "gamey" taste comes from the adrenaline pumped into the
    bloodstream because the animal is frightened.

    And my mom, being city raised, had no idea how to pre prep game. Dad was
    city raised also, so couldn't tell her, person that gave us the roast
    didn't mention it.


    In this recipe I substituted Lemonades for the gingersnaps with
    notable success.

    I've tasted those cookies, less than impressed with them.

    My favourite G.S. cookie is Thin Mints. I mis-typed in my previous. I

    Mine too, splurged on a box last year and put a sleeve in the freezer.
    Pulled it out a couple of months ago, still have a couple left.


    used "Lemon-Ups" rather than the icing coated "Lemonades". My least
    liked G.S. variety is Do-Si-Dos (P-nut butter sandwich). If I'm gonna
    do a peanut butter sandwich I'll use Ritz crackers. Bv)=

    Steve likes those too. Last year we bought a box of Thin Mints and a box
    of the other baker's D0-Si-Dos. They were not up to the quality of the
    Little Brownie Baker's Do-Si-Dos so we'll pass on any more cookie sales
    as long as this council orders from this baker (forget who it is, just
    remember LBB). The Thin Mints were ok but not quite as good as the ones
    from LBB. BTW, I spent years in Girl Scouts growing up, as an adult
    leader but would not reccommend them to any girl now.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Mar 25 06:15:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Most of my breakfast places know my "regular" order so if I want
    something a bit different I have to flag my server down before the
    order is sent to the galley.

    Can you call ahead and let them know you're coming but wanting
    something other than the usual? Or are there other ways to let them
    know, should the server be otherwise tied up, sees you and puts in "the usual"?

    Hasn't been necessary so far. Yesterday I had breakfast @ Charlie
    Parker's Diner (a nationally known place - been on Diners, Drive-
    Ins & Dives, won a national food competition put on by a food
    supplier, been written up in several cooking magazines and web
    sites - but it's still a friendly, cazy, home-town venue with a
    decent menu and reasonable prices. All of the wait-staff know me
    and they also point me out to new hires (not many of those, staff
    turnover is low). And like my other regular stops they know my
    "usual" but always confirm it with me before submitting the order
    to the kitchen.

    https://www.charlieparkersdiner.com/theSkinny.aspx.html

    8<----- EXCISION ----->8

    the heat just enough to screw things up. At my previous place I
    had electric coils so it worked just fine.

    I've got both cast iron and stainless steel dutch ovens. The place we
    I'd ruther have a gas stove but Steve has nixed that because of my
    asthma. BTW, the fall RV/radio net rally will be in Pigeon Forge, TN so I've already told Steve that we're going to visit the Lodge outlet.

    Been there, done that. At the original in South Pittsburg - just off
    of I-24 pn the way to Chatanooga. Scored a really nice 12" ridged
    skillet and an oval griddle which sees a lot of use.

    We saw a nice looking fry pan (looked to be about 7") at Bass Pro Shops the other day in their Lodge display. Thought about it but figured we'd wait until we go to the outlet--might get it at a better price. While
    we were living in Savannah, we got a round griddle (about 9" diameter) that gets a lot of use. I've got a lot of other cast iron, including a small pot/cover we found at ReStore--made in Mexico--that also gets a
    lot of use.

    My round griddle (inherited from my grandparents kitchen) hasn't seen
    use for several years. Since I cook just for one (two at most) much of
    the time the big guy is sort of overkill and the smaller, oval one works
    better and more conveniently.

    I also found that they do enamelled cast iron. so if I need to replace
    any of the uber-expensive LeCreuset stuff I bargain shopped on eBay I
    can get it at Lodge for much more reasonable (and Made-In-America)
    cost.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, do I replace the regular cast iron with enamel clad or
    not? Tempting, but probably not. May pick up a piece or two but I've a good variety of pots/pans already so it would have to be something I
    don't have but could use.

    The LeCruest pieses I have are an oval "French" oven of 9 1/2 qt size (https://www.lecreuset.com/oval-dutch-oven/21178US.html) and a small
    sauce pan (2 quart) w/composite handle which lets you pick it up w/out
    a pot holder or oven mitt. Very convenient. https://www.lecreuset.com/traditional-saucepan-cool-mint/29139018496012.html

    And lastly I have a small (6" - 7") skillet which is great for cooking
    eggs and sausage or ham for breakfast. But a little small for bacon. Bv)= https://www.lecreuset.com/signature-skillet/20182US.html

    All are in the colour LeCreuset calls "Flame" (orange). And all would
    be uber-expensive to replace w/new. The little skillet, I see, is U$136.
    I paid (IIRC) U$30 for the saucepan and little skillet on eBay several
    years ago.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Braised Chicken w/Leeks, Root Vegetables, Parsley & Wheat Grain
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Citrus, Grain, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    4 Chicken leg quarters
    +=OR=+
    4 lb Whole chicken; cleaned
    2 tb Olive oil
    2 md Yellow onions
    8 Leeks
    400 g (14 oz) parsnips
    4 cl Garlic
    1 Lemon; zest & juice
    24 oz Lager beer
    +=OR=+
    660 mL water or chicken broth
    100 g (3 /12 z)cooked wheat grains
    200 g (7 oz) cooked chickpeas
    1 c Flat-leaf parsley; rough
    - chopped
    Salt & black pepper

    First peel and clean all vegetables and chop them coarsely.

    Then brown the chicken off on all sides in a large pot
    in olive oil. Add the vegetables and brown them lightly
    off.

    Add the beer or water/chicken stock, lemon juice and
    lemon peel and bring to the boil. Season with salt and
    pepper.

    Put the lid on the pot and turn heat down to a simmer
    for approx. 45 min -1 hour until the chicken is tender.

    If the pan becomes too dry you can add more water or
    chicken stock.

    Add the wheat grains and chickpeas in the last 10 minutes of the
    cooking time.

    Taste the liquid adding more lemon juice, salt and
    pepper if need be.

    Add the parsley and serve with rice or bread.

    Le Creuset South Africa

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.lecreuset.co.za

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Mar 25 06:18:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Your choice, I've always used gingersnaps. My mom told us that whenever
    he mom made sauerbraten, her husband was the one that had to hunt down
    the gingersnaps, usually on Sunday mornings in a time when very few
    stores were open on Sunday. I can recall my mom making it only once,
    with a venison roast that hadn't been brined to get rid of the gamey taste. It was very strong. (G)

    That "gamey" taste comes from the adrenaline pumped into the
    bloodstream because the animal is frightened.

    And my mom, being city raised, had no idea how to pre prep game. Dad
    was city raised also, so couldn't tell her, person that gave us the
    roast didn't mention it.

    Just FYI if it ever comes up again ....

    To remove gamey taste from game (if any), you can marinate the flesh,
    trim off excess fat, age the meat, cook with acidic ingredients ( my
    easy methos - lemon or vinegar), Use strong flavors in seasoning, soak
    the meat in milk or buttermilk (called brining, not marinating),
    incorporate fruits or berries in the dish or cook until brown in the
    skillet, breaking up the meat until small chunks with a spoon.

    In this recipe I substituted Lemonades for the gingersnaps with
    notable success.

    I've tasted those cookies, less than impressed with them.

    My favourite G.S. cookie is Thin Mints. I mis-typed in my previous. I

    Mine too, splurged on a box last year and put a sleeve in the freezer. Pulled it out a couple of months ago, still have a couple left.

    used "Lemon-Ups" rather than the icing coated "Lemonades". My least
    liked G.S. variety is Do-Si-Dos (P-nut butter sandwich). If I'm gonna
    do a peanut butter sandwich I'll use Ritz crackers. Bv)=

    Steve likes those too. Last year we bought a box of Thin Mints and a
    box of the other baker's D0-Si-Dos. They were not up to the quality of
    the Little Brownie Baker's Do-Si-Dos so we'll pass on any more cookie sales as long as this council orders from this baker (forget who it is, just remember LBB). The Thin Mints were ok but not quite as good as the ones from LBB. BTW, I spent years in Girl Scouts growing up, as an
    adult leader but would not reccommend them to any girl now.

    I suppose it would depend on the leadership at the local level. We had
    quite the "scandal" a few years ago with the Boy Sprouts involving some pedo-homo activity.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Girl Scout Stew
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Grains,
    Yield: 6 servings

    28 oz (2 cans) beef broth
    6 oz Can tomato paste
    16 oz Can tomato sauce
    14 1/2 oz can diced tomatoes; w/juice
    2 Pucks of Frozen Seasoning
    - Blend (separate recipe)
    2 lb Ground beef
    2 c Rice
    2 tb Butter

    Brown hamburger, drain, and add beef broth and tomato
    sauce.

    Season to taste.

    Prepare rice according to directions, adding butter to
    water as well as salt

    Mix sauce with rice and serve.

    RECIPE FROM: https://3boysandadog.com

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    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Frozen Seasoning Blend
    Categories: Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 1 recipe

    Purple (red) onion
    Yellow onion
    Red bell pepper
    Yellow bell pepper
    Orange bell pepper

    MMMMM-------------------ANY OR ALL OF THESE--------------------------
    Green bell pepper
    Celery
    Garlic
    Mushrooms
    Green onions
    White onion
    Carrots

    Gather the fresh ingredients that you want in your
    seasoning blend.

    Chop everything using your "Vidalia Onion Chopper" and
    put it in a big bowl, then mix well

    Put scoops full of mix into lightly sprayed muffin pans,
    fill each "muffin" 3/4 of the way with water, and stick
    in the freezer for a couple hours.

    Pop the muffin shaped things out and stick them in a
    freezer bag to use the next time you need some flavor
    in your cooking!

    UDD NOTE: You might want to use your vacuum sealer here.

    RECIPE FROM: https://3boysandadog.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 26 12:21:28 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Can you call ahead and let them know you're coming but wanting
    something other than the usual? Or are there other ways to let them

    Hasn't been necessary so far. Yesterday I had breakfast @ Charlie
    Parker's Diner (a nationally known place - been on Diners, Drive-
    Ins & Dives, won a national food competition put on by a food
    supplier, been written up in several cooking magazines and web

    I've read your write ups of that place over the years. Glad to hear that they're keeping it same down home, friendly place.


    sites - but it's still a friendly, cazy, home-town venue with a
    decent menu and reasonable prices. All of the wait-staff know me
    and they also point me out to new hires (not many of those, staff
    turnover is low). And like my other regular stops they know my
    "usual" but always confirm it with me before submitting the order
    to the kitchen.

    Always good to confirm. Most mornings I have breakfast on the light
    side but it can vary from a bagel half with veggie cream cheese and
    yougurt to a bowl of cereal to a slice of toast with either a bit of
    butter blend or jam & yogurt to (rarely) bacon and eggs with a piece of
    toast. All of the above are accompanied by a mug of black tea. I've
    given up pancakes and waffles--too tempting to dump on the maple syrup.

    asthma. BTW, the fall RV/radio net rally will be in Pigeon Forge, TN so I've already told Steve that we're going to visit the Lodge outlet.

    Been there, done that. At the original in South Pittsburg - just off
    of I-24 pn the way to Chatanooga. Scored a really nice 12" ridged
    skillet and an oval griddle which sees a lot of use.

    We'll be camping at Pigeon Forge but no plans to go to Dollywood.

    better price. While RH> we were living in Savannah, we got a round
    griddle (about 9" diameter) RH> that gets a lot of use. I've got a lot
    of other cast iron, including a RH> small pot/cover we found at
    ReStore--made in Mexico--that also gets a RH> lot of use.

    My round griddle (inherited from my grandparents kitchen) hasn't seen
    use for several years. Since I cook just for one (two at most) much of
    the time the big guy is sort of overkill and the smaller, oval one
    works better and more conveniently.

    The round one works well for a lot of things--fits one of the "coils" or
    the induction cooker nicely. If we do some sort of grilled cheese or
    other grilled sandwich, we can fit both on the griddle at once. Also
    good for cooking several eggs or slices of bacon (cut in half, under a
    press), all in all, nice for one or two people.

    I also found that they do enamelled cast iron. so if I need to replace
    any of the uber-expensive LeCreuset stuff I bargain shopped on eBay I
    can get it at Lodge for much more reasonable (and Made-In-America)
    cost.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, do I replace the regular cast iron with enamel clad or
    not? Tempting, but probably not. May pick up a piece or two but I've a good variety of pots/pans already so it would have to be something I
    don't have but could use.

    The LeCruest pieses I have are an oval "French" oven of 9 1/2 qt size (https://www.lecreuset.com/oval-dutch-oven/21178US.html) and a small
    sauce pan (2 quart) w/composite handle which lets you pick it up w/out
    a pot holder or oven mitt. Very convenient. https://www.lecreuset.com/traditional-saucepan-cool-mint/2913901849601 .html

    We stopped into their outlet in SC along I-95 on our way to/from Florida
    a couple of times. Looked, but they didn't have what we wanted or could
    afford.

    And lastly I have a small (6" - 7") skillet which is great for
    cooking DD> eggs and sausage or ham for breakfast. But a little small
    for bacon. DD> Bv)=
    https://www.lecreuset.com/signature-skillet/20182US.html

    All are in the colour LeCreuset calls "Flame" (orange). And all would
    be uber-expensive to replace w/new. The little skillet, I see, is
    U$136. I paid (IIRC) U$30 for the saucepan and little skillet on eBay several
    years ago.

    You got a good deal. I like their blue but doubt I'll ever own any
    unless gifted it. Bought a number of stainless steel pieces a while ago
    that are our main pots, also have a couple of Calphalon pieces. Other
    stainless acquired over the years for canning include a 12 qt and 24 qt
    stock pots/water bath canners.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Mar 26 12:38:44 2024
    Hi Dave,

    That "gamey" taste comes from the adrenaline pumped into the
    bloodstream because the animal is frightened.

    And my mom, being city raised, had no idea how to pre prep game. Dad
    was city raised also, so couldn't tell her, person that gave us the
    roast didn't mention it.

    Just FYI if it ever comes up again ....

    To remove gamey taste from game (if any), you can marinate the flesh,
    trim off excess fat, age the meat, cook with acidic ingredients ( my
    easy methos - lemon or vinegar), Use strong flavors in seasoning, soak
    the meat in milk or buttermilk (called brining, not marinating), incorporate fruits or berries in the dish or cook until brown in the skillet, breaking up the meat until small chunks with a spoon.

    Considering that Mom has been gone almost 10 years, Dad, almost 7, I
    know they won't need the information. Mom had made the venison into
    sauerbraten but even the marinade wasn't strong enough to overcome the
    gamey taste. I don't recall what she used for spicing but it wasn't
    strong enough for the venison.


    My favourite G.S. cookie is Thin Mints. I mis-typed in my previous. I

    Mine too, splurged on a box last year and put a sleeve in the freezer. Pulled it out a couple of months ago, still have a couple left.

    used "Lemon-Ups" rather than the icing coated "Lemonades". My least
    liked G.S. variety is Do-Si-Dos (P-nut butter sandwich). If I'm gonna
    do a peanut butter sandwich I'll use Ritz crackers. Bv)=

    I ate the last of my thin Mints the other day, don't know when I'll get
    more.


    Steve likes those too. Last year we bought a box of Thin Mints and a
    box of the other baker's D0-Si-Dos. They were not up to the quality of
    the Little Brownie Baker's Do-Si-Dos so we'll pass on any more cookie sales as long as this council orders from this baker (forget who it is, just remember LBB). The Thin Mints were ok but not quite as good as the ones from LBB. BTW, I spent years in Girl Scouts growing up, as an
    adult leader but would not reccommend them to any girl now.

    I suppose it would depend on the leadership at the local level. We had

    It's a council decision, not an individual troop one.

    quite the "scandal" a few years ago with the Boy Sprouts involving
    some pedo-homo activity.

    Not surprised, I've read about things like that for quite a while.


    Title: Girl Scout Stew
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Grains,
    Yield: 6 servings

    For us, Girl Scout (aka Campfire) Stew was brown some ground beef, add a
    can or two of vegetable soup and some water. Simple, could be done over
    an open fire by girls with little to no cooking experience.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Mar 29 06:41:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My favourite G.S. cookie is Thin Mints. I mis-typed in my previous. I

    Mine too, splurged on a box last year and put a sleeve in the freezer. Pulled it out a couple of months ago, still have a couple left.

    used "Lemon-Ups" rather than the icing coated "Lemonades". My least
    liked G.S. variety is Do-Si-Dos (P-nut butter sandwich). If I'm gonna
    do a peanut butter sandwich I'll use Ritz crackers. Bv)=

    I ate the last of my thin Mints the other day, don't know when I'll get more.

    Keebler makes a very close copy that they call "Grasshopper" I can pick
    up a packet at my local Hy-Vee or Schnuks stupormarkep. The problem is
    that they don't seem to last very long after I open the packet. Bv)=

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    Title: Girl Scout Stew
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Grains,
    Yield: 6 servings

    For us, Girl Scout (aka Campfire) Stew was brown some ground beef, add
    a can or two of vegetable soup and some water. Simple, could be done
    over an open fire by girls with little to no cooking experience.

    That sounds a lot like C-Ration Stew - which I learned when I was in
    the California State Military Reserve. Basically each member of the
    squad empties the meat item from his C-ration into a helmet liner and
    it is cooked over the provided sterno or an actual campfire. And eaten
    from a canteen cup. The troop who thought to bring garlic salt is the
    "King" of the mess. Bv)=

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    Title: Hobo Stew
    Categories: Meat, Vegetables, Potatoes
    Yield: 1 serving

    MMMMM------------------------ANY OR ALL------------------------------
    Ground beef
    Garlic; minced
    Cherry tomatoes
    Onion; chopped
    Bell pepper; chopped
    Potatoes; sliced or diced
    Carrots; sliced
    Jalapenos; sliced

    MMMMM-------------------------SEASONING------------------------------

    Salt & pepper *
    Ketchup & mustard

    * if you thought to bring along garlic or onion salt or
    Lawry's/Mrs. Dash use those.

    BUILD CAMPFIRE: Build a campfire and wait for the
    charcoal or wood to ash over.

    MAKE FOIL PACKET: Lay two pieces on top of each other
    and shape it into a bowl.

    ADD INGREDIENTS: Add any ingredients you want, starting
    with ground beef and ending with cheese if you have
    any). Shape the foil into a ball.

    COOK: Place the foil pouches onto the hot coals. Cook
    for 30-60 minutes, rotating around the campfire, if
    needed. (If you added potatoes, it will probably take
    the full hour).

    Enjoy: Remove from the coals and let cool slightly.
    Carefully, peel open the pouch and eat with a fork.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.zestuous.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Mar 29 15:59:52 2024
    Hi Dave,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<

    supply of souffle' trays which are great for making baked spaghetti or
    pot/ shepherds/cottage pies.

    Now those, I could use a couple of.


    I've made this recipe and had to use all 12 of my trove of souffle
    dishes so. I'd say the the author's 8 - 10 servings is low. Bv)= It works
    without the ricotta, as well. Just put the pasta in the bottom, then
    sauce over, cover w/cheese and into the oven until the cheese begins
    to scorch arund the edges.

    Ever make a half batch and put some in the freezer for quick/easy meals?


    This recipe will feed a crowd - these days I make the meat sauce and freeze it in 1 - 2 person portions. Then when I want bakes spaghetti
    I pull one out of the freezer, cook a single/double portion of pan
    length pasta, assemble in the meatl souffle dish, pre-sliced mozzaella over the top and into the toaster oven.

    OK, almost as quick. (G)

    Title: Baked Spaghetti
    Categories: Pasta, Pork, Mushrooms, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 9 Servings

    It would easily feed a crowd, especially if you add salad and garlic
    bread.


    Rub the inside of a 13" x 9" casserole dish (a Pyrex dish
    works great) with olive oil. Spread 1 cup of the sauce

    A handy size to have; I've got 3 glass ones and a couple of metal ones.
    Had to take a meal to shut ins the other day so made a couple of smaller meatloaves, put them in a glass pan running the short side to short
    side. In between I put halved small white potatoes and baby carrots,
    baked the whole thing about an hour at 350. Took out and put in a take
    out container one meatloaf and about half of the potatoes & carrots.
    Turned the oven off, recovered the pan and slid it back into the oven
    while we made the delivery. Came home to a hot, no fuss supper and very
    little clean up.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Mar 29 16:08:55 2024
    Hi Dave,

    I ate the last of my thin Mints the other day, don't know when I'll get more.

    Keebler makes a very close copy that they call "Grasshopper" I can
    pick up a packet at my local Hy-Vee or Schnuks stupormarkep. The
    problem is
    that they don't seem to last very long after I open the packet. Bv)=

    I can use a lot of self control to make them last--only two cookies at a
    time, put the rest in the back of the fridge where they're hidden by
    other things............


    8<----- CUT ----->8

    Title: Girl Scout Stew
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Grains,
    Yield: 6 servings

    For us, Girl Scout (aka Campfire) Stew was brown some ground beef, add
    a can or two of vegetable soup and some water. Simple, could be done
    over an open fire by girls with little to no cooking experience.

    That sounds a lot like C-Ration Stew - which I learned when I was in
    the California State Military Reserve. Basically each member of the
    squad empties the meat item from his C-ration into a helmet liner and
    it is cooked over the provided sterno or an actual campfire. And eaten from a canteen cup. The troop who thought to bring garlic salt is the "King" of the mess. Bv)=

    And if someone had brought dehydrated onion flakes, it would have tasted
    even better. (G)


    Title: Hobo Stew
    Categories: Meat, Vegetables, Potatoes
    Yield: 1 serving

    The Boy Scout troop my brothers belonged to & dad assisted with did a
    foil stew--basically meat balls made of ground beef seasoned with S&P,
    carrots and potatoes. Cooked over a campfire. On our first long family
    camping trip my dad did that one night for supper. Problem was, after
    driving all day, then setting up camp, then preparing 7 packets and
    cooking them, supper was much later than we ususually ate. After that
    trip we usually had meals that could be quickly cooked on a white gas
    stove for supper.

    ---
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Mar 31 06:21:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    supply of souffle' trays which are great for making baked spaghetti or
    pot/ shepherds/cottage pies.

    Now those, I could use a couple of.

    Closest image I come up within the web was this - a Japanese curry plate https://tinyurl.com/BAKE-PASTA - close, but no cigar.

    I've made this recipe and had to use all 12 of my trove of souffle
    dishes so. I'd say the the author's 8 - 10 servings is low. Bv)=
    It works without the ricotta, as well. Just put the pasta in the
    bottom, then sauce over, cover w/cheese and into the oven until the
    cheese begins to scorch arund the edges.

    Ever make a half batch and put some in the freezer for quick/easy
    meals?

    Not yet. Bv)=

    This recipe will feed a crowd - these days I make the meat sauce and freeze it in 1 - 2 person portions. Then when I want bakes spaghetti
    I pull one out of the freezer, cook a single/double portion of pan
    length pasta, assemble in the souffle dish, pre-sliced mozzaella
    over the top and into the toaster oven.

    OK, almost as quick. (G)

    Title: Baked Spaghetti
    Categories: Pasta, Pork, Mushrooms, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 9 Servings

    It would easily feed a crowd, especially if you add salad and garlic bread.

    Or some of my Rustic Italian Cheese Bread (I've posed that happy recipe
    a number of times. And nearly every time I do it gets me jonesing for sandwiches made with it.

    Rub the inside of a 13" x 9" casserole dish (a Pyrex dish
    works great) with olive oil. Spread 1 cup of the sauce

    A handy size to have; I've got 3 glass ones and a couple of metal ones. Had to take a meal to shut ins the other day so made a couple of
    smaller meatloaves, put them in a glass pan running the short side to short side. In between I put halved small white potatoes and baby
    carrots, baked the whole thing about an hour at 350. Took out and put
    in a take out container one meatloaf and about half of the potatoes & carrots. Turned the oven off, recovered the pan and slid it back into
    the oven while we made the delivery. Came home to a hot, no fuss supper and very little clean up.

    I've got 13" X 9" in ceramic, Pyrex, and aluminum. Same for 10" square

    Here's one of my favourite thing top make in a 13" x 9" Pyrex dish

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: St. Louis Gooey Butter Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Desserts
    Yield: 18 servings

    MMMMM----------------------------CAKE---------------------------------
    3 tb (45 ml) milk; room temp
    1 3/4 ts (5 g) active dry yeast
    6 tb (85 g) unsalted butter; room
    - temp
    3 tb (45 g) sugar
    1 ts (5 g) kosher salt
    1 lg Egg
    1 3/4 c (215 g) all-purpose flour

    MMMMM--------------------------TOPPING-------------------------------
    3 tb + 1 ts (50 ml) light corn
    - syrup
    2 1/2 ts (10 ml) vanilla extract
    12 tb (170 g) unsalted butter;
    - room temp
    1 1/2 c (300 g) sugar
    1/2 ts (3 g) kosher salt
    1 lg Egg
    1 c + 3 tb (145 g) A-P flour
    Confectioners' sugar; for
    - sprinkling

    In a small bowl, mix milk with 2 tablespoons warm water.
    Add yeast and whisk gently until it dissolves. Mixture
    should foam slightly.

    Using an electric mixer with paddle attachment, cream
    butter, sugar and salt. Scrape down sides of bowl and
    beat in the egg. Alternately add flour and the milk
    mixture, scraping down sides of bowl between each
    addition. Beat dough on medium speed until it forms a
    smooth mass and pulls away from sides of bowl, 7 to 10
    minutes.

    Press dough into an ungreased 9" X 13" baking dish at
    least 2" deep. Cover dish with plastic wrap or clean tea
    towel, put in a warm place, and allow to rise until
    doubled, 2 1/2 to 3 hours.

    Set oven @ 350°F/175°C.

    TO PREPARE TOPPING, in a small bowl, mix corn syrup with
    2 tablespoons water and the vanilla. Using an electric
    mixer with paddle attachment, cream butter, sugar and
    salt until light and fluffy, 5 to 7 minutes. Scrape down
    sides of bowl and beat in the egg. Alternately add flour
    and corn syrup mixture, scraping down sides of bowl
    between each addition.

    Spoon topping in large dollops over risen cake and use a
    spatula to gently spread it in an even layer. Bake for
    35 to 45 minutes; cake will rise and fall in waves and
    have a golden brown top, but will still be liquid in
    center when done. Allow to cool in pan before sprinkling
    with confectioners' sugar for serving.

    By Melissa Clark

    Yield: 16 to 20 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Mar 31 06:24:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: Hobo Stew
    Categories: Meat, Vegetables, Potatoes
    Yield: 1 serving

    The Boy Scout troop my brothers belonged to & dad assisted with did a
    foil stew--basically meat balls made of ground beef seasoned with S&P, carrots and potatoes. Cooked over a campfire. On our first long family camping trip my dad did that one night for supper. Problem was, after driving all day, then setting up camp, then preparing 7 packets and cooking them, supper was much later than we ususually ate. After that
    trip we usually had meals that could be quickly cooked on a white gas stove for supper.

    Coleman stoves are a great goodness. Mine are propane fueled since it's
    nearly impossible to find white gas (petroleum naptha) at a reasonable
    price. Ace Hardware gets U$19/gallon. That's a bargain compared to the
    Amazon price of U$12/quart. The Ace Hardware price seems a bargain as
    most of the others I checked are in the U$25/gallon range. And you don't
    have to pump up the pressure on the propane versions. Just open the valve, light the burner and cook. Bv)=

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    Title: Camping Seasoning Mix
    Categories: Herbs, Condiments, Chilies
    Yield: 25 Servings

    1/3 c Salt
    1 tb Paprika
    1 tb Garlic Powder
    2 ts Onion Powder
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    1/2 ts Pepper

    Mix well and store in a double zip-lock bag or a good
    screw-top container. I usually make up 2 or 3 combinations
    when back-packing so that I have seasoning for meats, fish
    or the ubiquitous curry.

    Poster unknown - but, stolen for use by UDD who remembers
    the days in the field on "maneuvers" when the guy with the
    garlic salt was "king" and everybody's friend. Bv)=

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Mar 31 19:52:54 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    supply of souffle' trays which are great for making baked spaghetti or
    pot/ shepherds/cottage pies.

    Now those, I could use a couple of.

    Closest image I come up within the web was this - a Japanese curry
    plate https://tinyurl.com/BAKE-PASTA - close, but no cigar.

    I found more like what I was looking for by chance the other night. Our
    VFW had a dinner salute to mark 50 years since troops left Viet Nam,
    somebody had brought fried chicken in 2 metal (about 6"x10"x2") pans.
    After dinner someone had stacked the pans with a couple of pieces of
    chicken left for the taking. We took it home; the pans will be nice for
    small casseroles, etc.



    I've made this recipe and had to use all 12 of my trove of souffle
    dishes so. I'd say the the author's 8 - 10 servings is low. Bv)=
    It works without the ricotta, as well. Just put the pasta in the
    bottom, then sauce over, cover w/cheese and into the oven until the
    cheese begins to scorch arund the edges.

    Ever make a half batch and put some in the freezer for quick/easy
    meals?

    Not yet. Bv)=

    Cooking for two I can do a regular batch of some things and end up with
    left overs that will go into the freezer. I've got several meals in the
    freezer now, will put them in the camper fridge when we hit the road.


    Title: Baked Spaghetti
    Categories: Pasta, Pork, Mushrooms, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 9 Servings

    It would easily feed a crowd, especially if you add salad and garlic bread.

    Or some of my Rustic Italian Cheese Bread (I've posed that happy
    recipe a number of times. And nearly every time I do it gets me
    jonesing for
    sandwiches made with it.

    I've probably got the recipe tucked away in some file, somewhere. (G)


    Rub the inside of a 13" x 9" casserole dish (a Pyrex dish
    works great) with olive oil. Spread 1 cup of the sauce

    A handy size to have; I've got 3 glass ones and a couple of metal ones. Had to take a meal to shut ins the other day so made a couple of
    smaller meatloaves, put them in a glass pan running the short side to short side. In between I put halved small white potatoes and baby
    carrots, baked the whole thing about an hour at 350. Took out and put
    in a take out container one meatloaf and about half of the potatoes & carrots. Turned the oven off, recovered the pan and slid it back into
    the oven while we made the delivery. Came home to a hot, no fuss supper and very little clean up.

    I've got 13" X 9" in ceramic, Pyrex, and aluminum. Same for 10" square

    I don't think I've got it in ceramic but do have a ceramic lasagne pan
    that's similar in size, but deeper. A full lasagne recipe makes for one
    heavy pan. My metal pans are aluminum and stainless steel. Don't have a
    10" square but have 8" and 9" squares.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Mar 31 20:04:10 2024
    Hi Dave,

    cooking them, supper was much later than we ususually ate. After that
    trip we usually had meals that could be quickly cooked on a white gas stove for supper.

    Coleman stoves are a great goodness. Mine are propane fueled since
    it's nearly impossible to find white gas (petroleum naptha) at a

    We (Steve and I) have always had propane camp stoves, don't know what
    his family had. My parents had a 3 burner white gas stove.


    Title: Camping Seasoning Mix
    Categories: Herbs, Condiments, Chilies
    Yield: 25 Servings

    1/3 c Salt
    1 tb Paprika
    1 tb Garlic Powder
    2 ts Onion Powder
    1/2 ts Cayenne
    1/2 ts Pepper

    Looks good, I may mix up a batch to use in the house, another one for
    the camper. I do save/reuse glass spice jars for things like this.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Apr 2 05:57:07 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    supply of souffle' trays which are great for making baked spaghetti or
    pot/ shepherds/cottage pies.

    Now those, I could use a couple of.

    Closest image I come up within the web was this - a Japanese curry
    plate https://tinyurl.com/BAKE-PASTA - close, but no cigar.

    I found more like what I was looking for by chance the other night. Our VFW had a dinner salute to mark 50 years since troops left Viet Nam, somebody had brought fried chicken in 2 metal (about 6"x10"x2") pans. After dinner someone had stacked the pans with a couple of pieces of chicken left for the taking. We took it home; the pans will be nice for small casseroles, etc.

    That sounds like the nifty piece I referenced in my previous post to you.

    I've made this recipe and had to use all 12 of my trove of souffle
    dishes so. I'd say the the author's 8 - 10 servings is low. Bv)=
    It works without the ricotta, as well. Just put the pasta in the
    bottom, then sauce over, cover w/cheese and into the oven until the
    cheese begins to scorch arund the edges.

    Ever make a half batch and put some in the freezer for quick/easy
    meals?

    8<----- VERBIAGE EXCISED ----->8

    Rub the inside of a 13" x 9" casserole dish (a Pyrex dish
    works great) with olive oil. Spread 1 cup of the sauce

    A handy size to have; I've got 3 glass ones and a couple of metal ones. Had to take a meal to shut ins the other day so made a couple of
    smaller meatloaves, put them in a glass pan running the short side to short side. In between I put halved small white potatoes and baby
    carrots, baked the whole thing about an hour at 350. Took out and put
    in a take out container one meatloaf and about half of the potatoes & carrots. Turned the oven off, recovered the pan and slid it back into
    the oven while we made the delivery. Came home to a hot, no fuss supper and very little clean up.

    I've got 13" X 9" in ceramic, Pyrex, and aluminum. Same for 10" square

    I don't think I've got it in ceramic but do have a ceramic lasagne pan that's similar in size, but deeper. A full lasagne recipe makes for one heavy pan. My metal pans are aluminum and stainless steel. Don't have a 10" square but have 8" and 9" squares.

    My "ceramic" is actually, I think, stoneware. They be stout, hewavy and durable. Also oven safe.

    This recipe would work in one of the oval casseroles I linked in my last
    post to you.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Loaf Pan Lasagna
    Categories: Pork, Pasta, Cheese, Herbs, Vegetables
    Yield: 2 servings

    2 tb Olive oil
    1/2 lb Italian sausage; links or
    - bulk
    28 oz Can whole, peeled tomatoes
    1 cl Garlic; thin sliced
    1 ts Dried oregano
    1/2 ts Salt
    1/4 ts Sugar
    1 lg Egg
    1 c Ricotta cheese
    1/3 c Finely grated Parmesan
    pn Ground nutmeg
    pn Ground black pepper
    Oil/oil spray; for the pan
    4 No-boil lasagna noodles
    1/2 c Shredded mozzarella
    Chopped parsley; garnish

    COOK THE SAUSAGE: In a medium skillet over medium-high
    heat, add 1 tablespoon of the oil. Either slice the
    sausage into rounds or remove the casing from the
    sausage by slicing lengthwise down the side and cook it
    like ground sausage.

    When the oil shimmers, add the sausage to the pan, and
    cook for about 6 minutes or until browned. Use a cooking
    utensil to break the sausage up as you cook it. Transfer
    to a plate.

    SNIP THE TOMATOES: Open the can of tomatoes and use a
    large pair of scissors to snip and break them up in the
    can into chunky pieces. You will mash them a little more
    in the skillet.

    MAKE THE SAUCE: In the same skillet you used to brown
    the sausage, heat 1 tablespoon oil over medium heat. Add
    the sliced garlic and oregano. Cook for 30 seconds, or
    until the garlic sizzles. Add the tomatoes with their
    juices, salt, and sugar. Bring to a simmer and cook for
    2 to 3 minutes or until the sauce is hot.

    Use a potato masher to break up the tomatoes into
    smaller pieces (this is easiest to do when tomatoes
    soften in the heat). You are aiming for a chunky sauce.

    Add the sausage back to the pan and cook for 10 minutes.
    Taste, and add more salt and sugar, if you like.

    MAKE THE RICOTTA MIXTURE: Meanwhile, in a small bowl,
    stir the egg, ricotta, Parmesan, nutmeg, and pepper
    together.

    Set the oven @ 400ºF/205ºC: Brush or spray a 4" X 8"
    loaf pan with oil.

    ASSEMBLE THE LASAGNA: In the bottom of the loaf pan,
    ladle about 1/2 cup tomato-sausage sauce. Top with 1
    noodle. Spread with 1/2 cup sauce, and then spread 1/3
    mounded cup of the ricotta mixture over it.

    Place a second noodle on top of the ricotta mixture.
    Spread 1/3 mounded cup ricotta mixture over it, and top
    with 1/2 cup tomato-sausage sauce.

    Place a third noodle on top of the sauce. Spread with
    remaining ricotta and spoon 1/2 cup tomato-sausage sauce
    over it, using up all of the remaining sausage pieces in
    this layer.

    Place a fourth noodle on top of the sauce and spoon the
    remaining sauce on top. Sprinkle with the mozzarella.

    BAKE THE LASAGNA: Place the loaf pan on a baking sheet.
    Fold a large piece of foil in half and fold it in half
    again. Make a tent over the loaf pan (so it does not
    stick to the cheese.) Bake for 25 minutes.

    Remove the pan from the oven and remove the foil tent.
    Check to see if the lasagna is uneven or if it peaks in
    the middle. If it’s uneven, use the back of a spoon to
    press the top layer lightly to make it level in the loaf
    pan and submerge the noodles in the sauce.

    Turn the oven down to 375ºF/190ºC. Return lasagna to the
    oven and continue to bake for 15 minutes, or until the
    sauce bubbles and the cheese is golden brown. (If you
    like stretchy rather than browned cheese, check after 10
    minutes.)

    TO SERVE: Allow the lasagna to rest for 10 minutes
    before serving. Sprinkle with chopped parsley, if you
    like.

    By Sally Vargas

    Makes: 2 to 3 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.simplyrecipes.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 2 13:39:26 2024
    Hi Dave,

    supply of souffle' trays which are great for making baked spaghetti or
    pot/ shepherds/cottage pies.

    Now those, I could use a couple of.

    I found more like what I was looking for by chance the other night. Our VFW had a dinner salute to mark 50 years since troops left Viet Nam, somebody had brought fried chicken in 2 metal (about 6"x10"x2") pans. After dinner someone had stacked the pans with a couple of pieces of chicken left for the taking. We took it home; the pans will be nice for small casseroles, etc.

    That sounds like the nifty piece I referenced in my previous post to
    you.

    A nice size for making something for two people. I can make a full
    recipe and put half in each pan, then pop one into the freezer for use
    on a camping trip or at home when I don't feel like cooking.


    My "ceramic" is actually, I think, stoneware. They be stout, hewavy
    and durable. Also oven safe.

    Yes, and they look so nice for taking to a pot luck or just on your
    kitchen table. (G)

    This recipe would work in one of the oval casseroles I linked in my
    last post to you.


    Title: Loaf Pan Lasagna
    Categories: Pork, Pasta, Cheese, Herbs, Vegetables
    Yield: 2 servings

    Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce,
    raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
    some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
    to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other
    than our home made lasagne we ever had was back in the early 90s, Olive
    Garden was running a lasagne lover's special where you could get 2
    different ones on one plate. We each got 2, traded halves so each had 4 different lasagnes. Our consensus was that the seafood lasagne was the
    best other than the traditional cheese version. Sadly we've never seen
    it anywhere else, nor back at OG since then.

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to All on Wed Apr 3 18:35:05 2024
    //Hello All,//

    on *02.04.24* at *13:17:04* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Dave Drum* about *"Cookware [1]"*.

    her average tipped hourly income was north of U$20/hr
    (More than I
    Is it really?

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 4 06:38:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My "ceramic" is actually, I think, stoneware. They be stout, hewavy
    and durable. Also oven safe.

    Yes, and they look so nice for taking to a pot luck or just on your kitchen table. (G)

    This recipe would work in one of the oval casseroles I linked in my
    last post to you.


    Title: Loaf Pan Lasagna
    Categories: Pork, Pasta, Cheese, Herbs, Vegetables
    Yield: 2 servings

    Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce, raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
    some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
    to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other than our home made lasagne we ever had was back in the early 90s, Olive Garden was running a lasagne lover's special where you could get 2 different ones on one plate. We each got 2, traded halves so each had 4 different lasagnes. Our consensus was that the seafood lasagne was the best other than the traditional cheese version. Sadly we've never seen
    it anywhere else, nor back at OG since then.

    I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We have
    a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems to be falling
    off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of really good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good Greek venue.

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list, halved
    or quartered:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    MMMMM-------------------------FOR FRYING------------------------------
    2 kg Potatoes
    4 Eggplants
    4 lg Zucchinis

    MMMMM-------------------------FOR FLLING------------------------------
    1 c Olive oil
    1 1/2 kg Mixed mince; beef/pork
    1 lg Dry onion
    Parsley & dill
    500 g Tomato sauce
    1 Stock cube
    Salt & pepper
    1/2 kg Feta cheese

    MMMMM------------------------FOR BECHAMEL-----------------------------
    200 g Butter
    1 c Oil
    6 tb Flour
    1 1/2 l Milk
    Salt & pepper
    150 g Gouda cheese

    Peel and cut the potatoes and eggplants into round
    shapes. Cut the zucchini first into two halves and
    then in slices.

    Fry everything in the evening and leave them
    overnight in a strainer so that the oil drains.The
    following day, saute the onion in the olive oil, then
    add the mince, after that, the sauce, parsley, dill,
    the stock cube, salt and pepper. Let it boil for 15
    minutes.

    To make the bechamel, put the butter and the vegetable
    oil in a pot to brown, add the flour and whisk. About
    a minute later, add the milk, salt and pepper.

    Take a 30cm x 40cm baking tray and start the layers,
    beginning with the potatoes.

    Arrange the potatoes next to one another and if you have
    more, use them to ll in the empty spaces.

    Then, layer the zucchinis and on top of them, the mince,
    sprinkling 250 g feta cheese on top. Cover the mince and
    the feta cheese with a layer of eggplants then another
    layer of mince and the rest 250 g of the feta cheese.

    Slowly pour the bechamel over the top and sprinkle with
    the 150 g of Gouda.

    Bake in a convection oven at 150oC/300oF, for 1 hour.

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.cooklikegreeks.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Denis Mosko on Thu Apr 4 06:43:00 2024
    Denis Mosko wrote to All <=-

    her average tipped hourly income was north of U$20/hr
    (More than I

    Is it really?

    I see no reason to doubt that figure. She drives a nicer car than I do
    and is raising two children as a single mother. Plus she is a good,
    friendly server - which tends to make people tip more freely.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Waitress Pie *
    Categories: Pies, Desserts, Eggs, Dairy
    Yield: 6 Servings

    MMMMM---------------------------CRUST--------------------------------
    2 1/2 c Graham cracker crumbs
    1/2 c Brown sugar; packed
    1/2 c Melted butter

    MMMMM--------------------------CUSTARD-------------------------------
    2 c Whole milk
    2 lg Eggs
    1/3 c Granulated white sugar
    1/2 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Vanilla extract
    1/4 ts Ground cinnamon

    MMMMM--------------------------MERINGUE-------------------------------
    3 lg Egg whites
    pn Cream of tartar
    1/4 c Granulated white sugar

    Set oven @ 350oF/175oC.

    Prepare crust: Stir together crust ingredients until well
    blended. Press mixture into 9" pie pan. Bake 9 to 11
    minutes, or until crust is browned and crisp. Remove from
    the oven. Increase oven temperature to 425?F/218?C.

    Prepare custard: Heat milk in a small saucepan almost to a
    boil. Remove from heat. Beat eggs slightly in a large
    bowl. Whisk in sugar and salt. Add hot milk, (see Tips)
    1/4 cup at time, whisking constantly to temper egg mixture
    (to get warmer gradually). Whisk in vanilla. Pour custard
    through a fine sieve and into the prepared pie crust.
    Sprinkle top of custard with cinnamon.

    Bake on lower shelf of the oven for 20 to 25 minutes,
    until custard is set and firm to touch. Remove from oven
    and set on rack to cool slightly. (Keep oven on)

    Prepare meringue: In large bowl, beat egg whites until
    foamy. Gradually add sugar, continuing to beat until stiff
    peaks form. Spread meringue over cooked custard, and
    return to oven until the meringue is slightly browned.
    Cool for at least 15 minutes before serving.

    TIPS: Be sure to add milk gradually. If you add it to the
    egg mixture all at once, you'll cook the eggs and end up
    with scrambled eggs!

    Refrigerate any leftover pie.

    * Otherwise known as I Can't Have No Affair Because It's
    Wrong & I Don't Want Earl to Kill Me Pie (from the movie,
    Waitress)

    From: http://www.recipegirl.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 4 13:20:41 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Getting back to a previous post of yours to (IIRC) Ben: Living in
    Germany for almost 6 years got me comfortable with cooking metric and
    weighing things like flour. I have some German/English and one (maybe
    more?) cook books. Also, before we left, I bought a set of German
    measuring spoons/cups, still in use today. I'm not caught up short in my conversions. (G) Since I joined the echo here, I've occaisionally posted
    a recipe in dual measurements.

    This recipe would work in one of the oval casseroles I linked in my

    Title: Loaf Pan Lasagna

    Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce, raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
    some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
    to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other

    I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We

    True, I'm not as impressed with it as I was my first time or two there,
    many years ago. There are a few small non chain Italian restautants in
    WF and Raleigh that we usually go to instead of OG.

    have a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems to
    be falling off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of really
    good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good Greek
    venue.

    We have one pretty good Greek place but it's now in downtown Raleigh,
    near the NC State campus. Not an area we go to very often. Given a
    choice, I'd rather see a good German place open up locally. When we were
    in SLC last fall, our daughter told us of a German place they'd found in downtown SLC. We tried it and were less than impressed, but then too,
    we've had much better German food elsewhere.

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list,
    halved or quartered:

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    Looks good, have you tried the red sauce moussaka? That's good too.


    ---
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 4 13:43:39 2024
    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<

    paring kn ife would come in handy - coring/stemming tomatoes or
    peppers I usually find a steak knife first and use that. Bv)=

    I've used a chef's knife as a paring knife from time to time. (G)


    I looked on te interweb and their 7 1/2 qt. oval, enamelled Dutch
    oven can be had @ Target <U$100. I'd expect even friendlier pricing at
    the outlet store.

    They also offer ths: An oval casserole in 2 Quart size.

    https://www.amazon.com/Lodge-EC2C43-Oval-casserole-Quart/dp/B07GVPV2YL th=1

    I've got a 2.5 and a 3.5 oval casseroles in Corning Ware so I'm set
    there. Also have a god number of round casseroles in various sizes from 1/2 qt to (IIRC) 4 qt. One of my 1.5 qt ones gets used a lot for
    heating soup, cooking vegetables, etc--just right for the 2 of us.

    I don't gots an oval one that small. I may have to investigate
    further. This wold work well in that size casserole .......

    The 1/2 qt (500 ml) dish is a round one--good for small amounts but I
    don't even heat a can of soup in it (don't want to have to clean out the microwave).


    Title: Broccoli Casserole
    Categories: Casseroles, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 3 Servings

    FROM: Paula Deen

    Thought it looked familiar (G); I've got a couple of her cook books.


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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 5 17:50:43 2024
    //Hello Ruth,//

    on *04.04.24* at *13:43:39* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Dave Drum* about *"Cookware [2]"*.

    (don't want to have to clean out the
    microwave
    How to clean out the microwave?

    Regards,
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 6 04:59:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Getting back to a previous post of yours to (IIRC) Ben: Living in
    Germany for almost 6 years got me comfortable with cooking metric and weighing things like flour. I have some German/English and one (maybe more?) cook books. Also, before we left, I bought a set of German measuring spoons/cups, still in use today. I'm not caught up short in
    my conversions. (G) Since I joined the echo here, I've occaisionally posted a recipe in dual measurements.

    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and Nre
    York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are metric
    only, for the most part.

    One of my Australian sources has a nice "bolerplate" addition at the
    end of each recipe. To wit: /begin pasted/

    COOK'S NOTES: Oven temperatures are for conventional; if
    using fan-forced (convection), reduce the temperature by
    20°C.

    We use Australian tablespoons and cups: 1 teaspoon
    equals 5 ml; 1 tablespoon equals 20 ml; 1 cup equals
    250 ml.

    All herbs are fresh (unless specified) and cups are
    lightly packed.

    All vegetables are medium size and peeled, unless
    specified.

    All eggs are 55-60g (large) unless specified.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.sbs.com.au

    /end pasted/

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list,
    halved or quartered:

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    Looks good, have you tried the red sauce moussaka? That's good too.

    I have tried it more than once. I just prefer the white (bechamel) sauce.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Black Angus Beef w/Lucky Sauce (bo luc lac)
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Sauces, Rice
    Yield: 4 Servings

    500 g Black Angus beef rump or
    - eye fillet, in 1.5 cm pcs
    3 Cherry tomatoes; quartered
    1/2 Carrot; shredded
    1 c Watercress sprigs
    1/2 c Mixed herbs; such as perilla
    - (shiso)*, coriander, mint
    - and Vietnamese mint *
    2 tb To 3 tb nuoc cham
    1 tb Oil
    1 cl Garlic; crushed
    1/2 sm Onion; chopped
    50 g Butter
    Steamed jasmine rice; to
    - serve

    MMMMM------------------------LUCKY SAUCE-----------------------------
    125 ml (1/2 cup) oyster sauce
    2 ts Sesame oil
    2 ts Caster sugar

    * Perilla and Vietnamese mint are available from Asian
    food shops.

    TO MAKE LUCKY SAUCE, combine all the ingredients and 60
    ml (1/4 cup) hot water in a large bowl. Makes 180 ml (3/4
    cup).

    Place beef and 60 ml (1/4 cup) lucky sauce in a bowl and,
    using your hands, massage sauce into beef. Marinate for 5
    minutes. Remaining sauce will keep in an airtight
    container in the fridge for up to 1 week.

    Meanwhile, place tomatoes, carrot, watercress and herbs
    in a bowl. Add nuoc cham to taste and toss gently to
    combine.

    Heat a wok over high heat until smoking. Working quickly,
    add oil and swirl to coat wok. Drain marinade from beef
    and cook in batches, shaking the wok to seal the meat on
    all sides; the beef should be charred and the wok
    flaming. Return all the beef to the wok with garlic,
    onion and butter, and stir-fry for a further 3 minutes
    for medium-rare or until cooked to your liking.

    Season beef with salt and freshly ground black pepper.
    Serve immediately with rice and watercress salad.

    COOK'S NOTES: Oven temperatures are for conventional; if
    using fan-forced (convection), reduce the temperature by
    20ºC.

    We use Australian tablespoons and cups: 1 tsp equals 5
    ml; 1 tbs equals 20 ml; 1 cup equals 250 ml.

    All herbs are fresh (unless specified) and cups are
    lightly packed.

    All vegetables are medium size and peeled, unless
    specified.

    All eggs are 55-60 g, unless specified.

    As seen in Feast magazine, Sept 2011, Issue 1.

    By Luke Nguyen

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.sbs.com.au

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 6 06:35:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    paring kn ife would come in handy - coring/stemming tomatoes or
    peppers I usually find a steak knife first and use that. Bv)=

    I've used a chef's knife as a paring knife from time to time. (G)

    I'd find that difficult to accomplish with normal sized-hands. IIRC you
    have said in past that you have small hands. If so, then I bet video of
    you using even a 6" chef's knife as a paring knife wold make a good "highlights" reel. BvP=

    I looked on te interweb and their 7 1/2 qt. oval, enamelled Dutch
    oven can be had @ Target <U$100. I'd expect even friendlier pricing at
    the outlet store.

    They also offer this: An oval casserole in 2 Quart size.

    https://www.amazon.com/Lodge-EC2C43-Oval-casserole-Quart/dp/B07GVPV2YL th=1

    I've got a 2.5 and a 3.5 oval casseroles in Corning Ware so I'm set
    there. Also have a god number of round casseroles in various sizes from 1/2 qt to (IIRC) 4 qt. One of my 1.5 qt ones gets used a lot for
    heating soup, cooking vegetables, etc--just right for the 2 of us.

    I don't gots an oval one that small. I may have to investigate
    further. This wold work well in that size casserole .......

    The 1/2 qt (500 ml) dish is a round one--good for small amounts but I don't even heat a can of soup in it (don't want to have to clean out
    the microwave).

    Answer for that problem is to invert a plate or saucer over the dish
    and let the lava bubble and spatter on to the plate rather than the
    sides and roof of the nukser.

    Title: Broccoli Casserole
    Categories: Casseroles, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 3 Servings

    FROM: Paula Deen

    Thought it looked familiar (G); I've got a couple of her cook books.

    I'm making this for tomorrow night's supper:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dave's Tortellini Supper
    Categories: Pasta, Vegetables, Pork, Cheese, Sauces
    Yield: 6 servings

    19 oz Bag cheese-filled
    - tortellini
    10 oz Box broccoli florets; thawed
    26 oz Jar Onofrio's Basilico Sauce
    32 oz Italian sausage; sweet or
    - hot
    1 ts Garlic granules
    1/4 ts Black pepper
    Grated/shredded Parmesan

    In a skillet over high heat cook and stir the sausage,
    breaking up any lumps. When no pink remains in the
    meat add the tortellini andreduce heat to medium.

    Put sausage and tortellini into a 4 - 5 quart crockpot
    set to low.

    Add broccoli, garlic and pepper to sauce and stir
    gently; let it heat/cook until warmed through.

    Sprinkle with Parmesan cheese just before serving.

    Serve with a nice side salad and garlic bread.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to DAVE DRUM on Sat Apr 6 09:22:00 2024
    Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-

    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and
    Nre York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are
    metric only, for the most part.

    Sorry to play bad guy, but would it be so bad for American's to do the
    math instead of us?

    Shawn
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to DENIS MOSKO on Sat Apr 6 09:21:00 2024
    Quoting Denis Mosko to Ruth Haffly <=-

    How to clean out the microwave?

    Soap, water and a cloth. Do you really not clean your microwave?

    Shawn

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Denis Mosko on Sat Apr 6 17:08:53 2024
    Hello Denis,


    her average tipped hourly income was north of U$20/hr
    (More than I

    Is it really?

    Tipped hourly income in this fucked up country of ours is $2.13/hour.
    Plus tips, which must be shared with other employees.

    This tipped hourly income has remained the same for 14 years, and the
    US congress has no plans to raise it anytime soon.

    So please. Do feel free to thank your congresscritter and/or
    president for the fine mess you put our nation's workers in.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 6 17:09:05 2024
    Hello Dave,

    her average tipped hourly income was north of U$20/hr
    (More than I

    Is it really?

    I see no reason to doubt that figure. She drives a nicer car than I do and is raising two children as a single mother. Plus she is a good, friendly server - which tends to make people tip more freely.

    In the Old South, there were two kinds of slaves - field slaves
    and house slaves. All of them were of the same color. And we all
    know what color that was.

    I do not need to remind you, or anybody else, what kind of life
    those slaves had, back in those days. Times have not changed much
    since then, except for the lack of daily beatings and other forms
    of abuse.

    Maybe you think that you can afford to drive a nice car, raise
    two children, by yourself, as a single parent, on a part time job
    that pays a meager $2.13 an hour. Plus tips that must be shared
    with other employees, which might get you a few more pennies.

    I guess you figure such people also get welfare, food stamps,
    free health care, and other goodies that come with that meager
    pay.

    I've got news for you.

    Dirty Dave is full of beans. Which explains where all that
    hot air comes from. Should be safe, as long as nobody lights
    a match.

    Fuck me. Fuck me now. And don't forget to tip me for the pleasure.
    That is how we treat the working poor in this fucked up country of
    ours. And dirty Dave doesn't care, because he gets all his meds for
    free and lives on the dole. So why even bother with child support?
    After all, others will be more than happy to provide ...

    $2.13 an hour. Plus tips, shared with other employees. This is
    not a living wage of any kind. A federally mandated minimum wage
    that has not been raised in 14 years.

    Makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it "Dirty" Dave?

    And to think that five states (including Louisiana) do not have
    any minimum wage at all. What a fucking joke.

    Louisiana
    Mississippi
    Alabama
    Tennessee
    South Carolina

    Jefferson Davis would be proud.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to SHAWN HIGHFIELD on Sat Apr 6 09:52:00 2024
    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and
    Nre York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are metric only, for the most part.

    Sorry to play bad guy, but would it be so bad for American's to do the
    math instead of us?

    The way I read the part you quoted, Dave is saying that the American
    sources, like the New York Times, are doing the math and including both.
    It is the sources from the metric countries that often don't do the math
    and only include metric.

    OTOH, people in metric countries probably don't care what it is in other measurements. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Apr 6 11:51:51 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    Sorry to play bad guy, but would it be so bad for American's to do the math instead of us?

    I know MealMaster can convert Imperial measurements to metric on the fly and I believe most recipe management software can do it.

    By the way, the US tried to use metric in the 70s and it failed but there is one intersting vestige of that attempt: US Interstate 19.

    "I-19 is unique among US Interstates because signed distances are given in meters (hundreds or thousands as distance-to-exit indications) or kilometers (as distance-to-destination indications), and not miles. However, the speed limit signs give speeds in miles per hour."

    From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_19

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Metric Equivalents for U.s. Measurements
    Categories: Information, Ceideburg 2
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1 Information Only

    : METRIC EQUIVALENTS FOR VOLUME

    U.S.Volume ......................Metric Measure Equivalent 1/8
    t................................0.5 milliliter 1/4
    t..................................1 milliliter 1/2
    t..................................2 milliliters 1
    t....................................5 milliliters 1/2
    T..................................7 milliliters 1 T (3
    teaspoons).....................15 milliliters 2 T (1 fluid
    ounce)...................30 milliliters 1/4 c (4
    tablespoons).................60 milliliters 1/3
    c.................................80 milliliters 1/2 c (4 fluid
    ounces)...............125 milliliters 2/3
    c................................160 milliliters 3/4 c (6 fluid
    ounces................180 milliliters 1 c (16
    tablespoons).................250 milliliters 1 pt (2
    cups)........................500 milliliters 1 qt (4
    cups)..........................1 Liter

    METRIC EQUIVALENTS FOR TEMPERATURES

    Degrees...................................Degrees
    Fahrenheit................................Celcius 200
    F.....................................100 C 250
    F.....................................120 C 275
    F.....................................140 C 300
    F.....................................150 C 325
    F.....................................160 C 350
    F.....................................180 C 375
    F.....................................190 C 400
    F.....................................200 C 425
    F.....................................220 C 450
    F.....................................230 C

    : METRIC EQUIVALENTS FOR WEIGHT

    U.S. Weight..............................Metric
    Measure................................Equivalent 1/2
    ounce..............................15 grams 1
    ounce................................30 grams 2
    ounces...............................60 grams 3
    ounces...............................85 grams 1/4 lb (4
    ounces).....................115 grams 1/2 lb (8
    ounces).....................225 grams 3/4 lb (12
    ounces)....................340 grams 1 lb (16
    ounces)......................450 grams

    : METRIC EQUIVALENTS FOR DIMENSIONS

    U.S.....................................Metric
    Dimension.............................Equivalent 1/16
    inch.......................... 2 millimeters 1/8
    inch........................... 3 millimeters 3/16
    inch.......................... 5 millimeters 1/4
    inch........................... 6 millimeters 3/8
    inch........................... 9 millimeters 1/2
    inch...........................1.3 centimeters 3/4
    inch...........................1.9 centimeters 1
    inch.............................2.5 centimeters 1 1/2
    inches.........................4 centimeters 2
    inches.............................5 centimeters 3
    inches.............................8 centimeters 4
    inches............................10 centimeters 5
    inches............................13 centimeters 9
    inches............................23 centimeters 11
    inches...........................28 centimeters 13
    inches...........................33 centimeters

    NOTE: All metric equivalents are approximate; they have been rounded
    to the nearest metric equivalent for ease of use.

    BRITISH IMPERIAL EQUIVALENTS FOR U.S. VOLUME MEASURES U.S.
    Volume.............................Imperial
    Measure................................Equivalent 1 fluid
    ounce......................1.04 fluid ounces 1
    pint............................... 0.83 pint 1
    quart.............................. 0.83 quart 1
    gallon............................. 0.83 gallon

    From "Wok Cooking Class Cookbook" by the Editors of Consumer Guide,
    Beekman House, N.Y., 1983, ISBN: 0-517-40269-6

    Posted by Stephen Ceideberg; November 22 1992.

    File ftp://ftp.idiscover.co.uk/pub/food/mealmaster/recipes/cberg2.zip
    MMMMM

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Apr 6 11:56:31 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to DENIS MOSKO <=-

    Soap, water and a cloth. Do you really not clean your microwave?

    I boil a glass bowl full of water and steam the microwave then wipe it out. I cover everything when it goes into the microwave so it's usually really clean.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Creamy Polenta (Microwave or Stove)
    Categories: Italian
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 1/2 c Water
    1/2 c Yellow cornmeal
    1/2 ts Salt
    2 tb Grated Parmesan cheese
    1 ts Olive oil
    1/8 ts Black pepper

    Stir together the water, cornmeal, and salt in a microwave-safe
    1-quart measure. Microcook, uncovered, on HIGH for 5 minutes. Whisk
    well. Cover with waxed paper. Microcook on HIGH for an additional 5
    minutes. Add the Parmesan, oil, and pepper; whisk until smooth. Spoon
    onto plates to serve.

    STOVE: Place water, salt, and oil in a 2-quart saucepan and bring to
    boiling. Gradually whisk in the cornmeal. Boil gently, stirring
    constantly, for 3 minutes. Stir in the Parmesan and pepper.

    Makes 4 servings.

    Nutrient Value per Serving:

    85 Calories; 2 g Protein; 14 g Carbohydrate; 2 g Fat; 321 mg
    sodium; 2 mg Cholesterol Exchanges: 3/4 starch/bread; 1/2 fat

    [FAMILY CIRCLE; Oct 16, 1990]

    Posted by Fred Peters.

    From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini

    MMMMM

    -- Sean


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Apr 6 15:43:32 2024
    Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Shawn Highfield to DAVE DRUM on Sat Apr 06 2024 09:22 am

    Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-

    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and
    Nre York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are metric only, for the most part.

    Sorry to play bad guy, but would it be so bad for American's to do the
    math instead of us?

    Shawn
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    Works both ways Shawn. Think about it. Most of our recipes just say things like 2 potates, 1 onion, 2 carrots etc. The one I just posted left you with 1/3c wine (about 100ml) and 2lbs bottom round (roughly 1 kg.)

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Shawn Highfield on Sun Apr 7 05:20:00 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and
    Nre York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are
    metric only, for the most part.

    Sorry to play bad guy, but would it be so bad for American's to do the math instead of us?

    Neither good, nor bad. Just a fact of life as we know it.

    We've come a long way from this recipe for rabbit.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Coneys In Gravy
    Categories: Game, Nuts, Breads, Herbs
    Yield: 3 servings

    Rabbits
    Almond Milk
    Grated Bread or Wheat Starch
    Cloves or Ginger
    Wine or Sugar
    Water

    Seethe well your coneys in clear water,

    After, in cold water you wash them separately,

    Take milk of almonds, mix it anon

    With grated bread or amidon (wheat starch);

    Season it with cloves or good ginger;

    Boil it over the fire,

    Hew the coneys, put them thereto,

    Season it with wine or sugar then.

    RECIPE FROM: https://medievalbritain.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Sean Dennis on Sun Apr 7 06:33:00 2024
    Sean Dennis wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Sorry to play bad guy, but would it be so bad for American's to do the math instead of us?

    I know MealMaster can convert Imperial measurements to metric on the
    fly and I believe most recipe management software can do it.

    I've used Meal Masher since it was a shareware program and I did not
    know that. How does one do that?

    By the way, the US tried to use metric in the 70s and it failed but
    there is one intersting vestige of that attempt: US Interstate 19.

    "I-19 is unique among US Interstates because signed distances are given
    in meters (hundreds or thousands as distance-to-exit indications) or kilometers (as distance-to-destination indications), and not miles. However, the speed limit signs give speeds in miles per hour."

    From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_19

    What we're left with is a mish-mash. Wine and booze are now universally (almost) metric with bottle sizes measured in mL rather than oz or pint/ quaert/fifth etc.

    And nuts 'n' bolts. Your typical General Motors vehicle (if built in USA
    and not another country )is a mixture of SAE sizes and metric sizes.

    Still, we're better off than the British Empire which uses metric, BSF
    (British Standard Fine) *and* Whitworth standards. Anyone who has ever
    owned an older British motorcycle or car can tell you that you will need
    three sets of tool to work on it.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Metric Equivalents for U.s. Measurements
    Categories: Information, Ceideburg 2
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1 Information Only

    The temperature part of this charft is all wet. Especially the 350oF
    equalling 180oC which caught my eye. 180oC is closer to 360oF than it
    is to 350oC.

    Here's a little chart I made for my own use: The "degree" symbo is
    <ALT>167 if you want to use your own favoured degree sign and do a
    bulk seek and replace. I have also used (in past) <ALT>248 which gives
    just a small degree sign without the underscore. It's a matter of my
    preference for disambiguation.

    100oF/38oC
    105oF/40oC
    110oF/43oC
    115oF/46oC
    120oF/49oC
    125oF/52oC
    130oF/55oC
    135oF/57oC
    140oF/60oC
    145oF/63oC
    150oF/66oC
    155oF/68oC
    160oF/71oC
    165oF/74oC
    170oF/77oC
    175oF/79oC
    180oF/82oC
    185oF/85oC
    190oF/88oC
    200oF/93oC
    -+-
    210oF/99oC
    220oF/104oC
    225oF/107oC
    230oF/110oC
    235oF/113oC
    238oF/114oC
    250oF/121oC
    260oF/127oC
    275oF/135oC
    295oF/145oC
    -+-
    300oF/150oC
    325oF/165oC
    350oF/175oC
    360oF/182oC
    365oF/185oC
    375oF/190oC
    -+-
    400oF/205oC
    425oF/218oC
    450oF/232oC
    475oF/246oC
    500oF/260oC
    525oF/273oC
    550oF/288oC

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  • From Denis Mosko@1:153/757.1315 to All on Sun Apr 7 16:03:44 2024
    //Hello Sean,//

    on *06.04.24* at *11:56:31* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Shawn Highfield* about *"Re: Don't want to have to cle"*.

    I boil a glass bowl full of water and steam the microwave then wipe it out. I cover everything when it goes into the microwave so it's usually really clean.
    I cover everything too.
    And you?

    Regards,
    Denis Mosko
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to SEAN DENNIS on Sun Apr 7 08:24:00 2024
    "I-19 is unique among US Interstates because signed distances are given in meters (hundreds or thousands as distance-to-exit indications) or kilometers (as distance-to-destination indications), and not miles. However, the speed limit signs give speeds in miles per hour."

    From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_19

    During the Clinton Administration, I-265 around Louisville was dual signed
    for miles and kms. It has been under destruction for so long that I have
    not been on it in a while and am not sure if that is still the case or not.

    Mike


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Denis Mosko on Sat Apr 6 14:09:57 2024
    Hi Dennis,

    to *Dave Drum* about *"Cookware

    (don't want to have to clean out the
    microwave
    How to clean out the microwave?

    Warm to hot soapy water and a sponge or cloth will do a good job of
    cleaning a microwave. Take out the glass tray and wash/dry it separatly.
    I don't like to (but do) clean my microwave because it is mounted over
    the stove, making it hard to reach the back unless I grab a small step
    stool. I've seen some microwave interiors that look like they've not
    been cleaned in years but mine is not one of them--it gets cleaned
    regularly.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 6 14:15:01 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Germany for almost 6 years got me comfortable with cooking metric and weighing things like flour. I have some German/English and one (maybe more?) cook books. Also, before we left, I bought a set of German measuring spoons/cups, still in use today. I'm not caught up short in

    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and
    Nre York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are
    metric only, for the most part.

    Understandable as they're not as familiar with the American
    cups/tea/table spoons. But yes, it's not that hard to convert so a
    recipe can be written with dual measurements without problems. Only
    thing I'm not sure on (because I don't see it that often) is the gas
    marks on an oven. I've had nothing but electric stoves/ovens since
    leaving AZ so no need to be super concerned about that anyway. (G)


    One of my Australian sources has a nice "bolerplate" addition at the
    end of each recipe. To wit: /begin pasted/

    COOK'S NOTES: Oven temperatures are for conventional; if
    using fan-forced (convection), reduce the temperature by
    20°C.

    We use Australian tablespoons and cups: 1 teaspoon
    equals 5 ml; 1 tablespoon equals 20 ml; 1 cup equals
    250 ml.

    All herbs are fresh (unless specified) and cups are
    lightly packed.

    All vegetables are medium size and peeled, unless
    specified.

    All eggs are 55-60g (large) unless specified.

    Nice to know. Something I'd clip and tape to an (inside) cabinet door
    for quick reference. Looking at the above, main difference I see is that
    their tablespoon is 20 ml, vs the 15 ml I use.

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list,
    halved or quartered:

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    Looks good, have you tried the red sauce moussaka? That's good too.

    I have tried it more than once. I just prefer the white (bechamel)
    sauce.

    I'll take either one. (G)

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 6 14:35:12 2024
    Hi Dave,

    paring kn ife would come in handy - coring/stemming tomatoes or
    peppers I usually find a steak knife first and use that. Bv)=

    I've used a chef's knife as a paring knife from time to time. (G)

    I'd find that difficult to accomplish with normal sized-hands. IIRC
    you have said in past that you have small hands. If so, then I bet
    video of you using even a 6" chef's knife as a paring knife wold make
    a good "highlights" reel. BvP=

    I wouldn't want to try it now, having had a number of injuries to my
    hands over the years that have affected my dexterity. But yes, my hands
    are small--I can only reach 6 notes (an octave is 8) somewhat
    comfortably on a piano keyboard. I prefer my net book and tablet to a
    full sized computer keyboard. Even a size small men's work glove is too
    big for my hand, tho I did find some extra smalls, they're still too
    long in the fingers. And, I wear a size 4.5 to 5 ring, tho did get one
    sized to 5.25 so it would go over the knuckle.

    1/2 qt to (IIRC) 4 qt. One of my 1.5 qt ones gets used a lot for
    heating soup, cooking vegetables, etc--just right for the 2 of us.

    I don't gots an oval one that small. I may have to investigate
    further. This wold work well in that size casserole .......

    The 1/2 qt (500 ml) dish is a round one--good for small amounts but I don't even heat a can of soup in it (don't want to have to clean out
    the microwave).

    Answer for that problem is to invert a plate or saucer over the dish
    and let the lava bubble and spatter on to the plate rather than the
    sides and roof of the nukser.

    It has a cover but since the contents usually fill it quite full, I
    prefer to use the next size up dish. That way splatters will hit the lid
    and I have the "stir space" as needed.


    Title: Broccoli Casserole
    Categories: Casseroles, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 3 Servings

    FROM: Paula Deen

    Thought it looked familiar (G); I've got a couple of her cook books.

    I'm making this for tomorrow night's supper:

    Title: Dave's Tortellini Supper
    Categories: Pasta, Vegetables, Pork, Cheese, Sauces
    Yield: 6 servings


    Looks good. I'm waiting to see what time Steve gets home from RARSFest
    (Raleigh Amateur Radio Society) to finalise what we're doing for supper.
    The event ends around 3 but he volunteered to be on the clean up crew.
    It'll be interesting to see what he comes home with. (G)


    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in
    bacon. (G)

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ben Collver@1:105/500 to Dave Drum on Sun Apr 7 08:37:43 2024
    Re: Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Dave Drum to Sean Dennis on Sun Apr 07 2024 06:33 am

    I've used Meal Masher since it was a shareware program and I did not
    know that. How does one do that?

    It's in the Meal Masher Manual:

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20151030052335/ http://episoft.home.comcast.net/~episoft/mmdown.htm>

    Automatic Unit Conversion, pages 27-28

    Pressing Alt-E will convert all ingredients to English measures, and
    pressing Alt-M will convert all ingredients to Metric measures.

    ***

    I've noticed that it doesn't always pick the unit i would prefer, so
    i need to go to a specific ingredient and press Alt-U for that.
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Apr 7 09:28:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Works both ways Shawn. Think about it. Most of our recipes just say things like 2 potates, 1 onion, 2 carrots etc. The one I just posted
    left you with 1/3c wine (about 100ml) and 2lbs bottom round (roughly 1 kg.)

    I love Jamie Oliver's recipes, but setting the gas hob to #4 and using
    cuts of meat I've never heard before make an interesting challenge.



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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Sun Apr 7 10:35:58 2024
    Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I've used Meal Masher since it was a shareware program and I did not
    know that. How does one do that?

    Okay, I checked again. I confused "decimal fractions" with metric for some reason. I stand corrected.

    Still, we're better off than the British Empire which uses metric, BSF (British Standard Fine) *and* Whitworth standards. Anyone who has ever owned an older British motorcycle or car can tell you that you will
    need three sets of tool to work on it.

    The nice thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from.

    I saved your temp conversion list.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Cumberland Sausage
    Categories: Pork, British
    Yield: 4 Servings

    6 oz Pork back fat; minced
    1 lb Shoulder of pork; minced
    1 oz Stale breadcrumbs
    1/2 sl Smoked bacon; minced
    Salt
    Pepper
    Nutmeg
    Mace

    The pork should be boned and skinned. Mix the shoulder and the fat.
    Add 8 tablespoons hot water to the crumbs. Mix everything together
    (use your hands), seasoning well with pepper, and adding a generous
    pinch of both the spices. Fry a spoonful of the sausage to test the
    seasoning. Fill the sausage casings as usual. Prick in a few places
    and allow to sit overnight before cooking. ...These are very good
    baked in a buttered baking dish at 350F until browned. Turn after 20
    minutes, and raise the heat if the sausages are cooking too slowly.

    from Grigson's OBSERVER COOKBOOK

    From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Mike Powell on Sun Apr 7 10:53:13 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to SEAN DENNIS <=-

    During the Clinton Administration, I-265 around Louisville was dual
    signed for miles and kms. It has been under destruction for so long
    that I have not been on it in a while and am not sure if that is still
    the case or not.

    I didn't know about the dual signage but I believe it about "construction"...job security for 20 years.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Lamb's Wool
    Categories: Beverages, British, Holiday
    Yield: 8 Servings

    6 Apples, baking; cored
    2 tb Sugar, brown; up to 1/2 cup
    2 qt Cider, sweet; or hard cider
    -or a mixture of cider & ale
    1/8 ts Nutmeg
    1/4 ts Cinnamon
    1/4 ts Ginger; ground

    Roast the apples in a baking pan at 450F for about an hour, or until
    they are very soft and begin to burst. (An alternative - and quicker-
    procedure is to peel and boil the apples until they are very soft and
    flaky.) You may leave the apples whole, or break them up. In a large
    saucepan, dissolve the sugar a few tablespoons at a time in the cider
    or ale , tasting for sweetness. Add the spices. Bring to a boil and
    simmer for 10 to 15 minutes. Pour the liquid over the apples in a
    large punch bowl, or serve in a large heat resistant mugs. MAKES: 8 1
    cup servings Note: Nuts make a nice accompaniment to Lamb's Wool
    (they were originally roasted in with the apples.)

    From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Apr 7 13:45:33 2024
    Re: Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Kurt Weiske to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Apr 07 2024 09:28 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Works both ways Shawn. Think about it. Most of our recipes just say things like 2 potates, 1 onion, 2 carrots etc. The one I just posted left you with 1/3c wine (about 100ml) and 2lbs bottom round (roughly 1 kg.)

    I love Jamie Oliver's recipes, but setting the gas hob to #4 and using
    cuts of meat I've never heard before make an interesting challenge.



    ... The bubonic plague was spread by mini horses.

    Well, interesting but the recipe I posted (if referring to that) is NOT for stove top. It's very specifically crockpot aka 'slow cooker'. No hob will work, it's too fast/hot.

    xxcarol
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  • From Mash Potato@2:221/1 to Denis Mosko on Mon Apr 8 09:38:53 2024
    Hi Denis,

    07.04.2024 17:03:44, Denis wrote:


    I boil a glass bowl full of water and steam the microwave then
    wipe it out. I cover everything when it goes into the microwave
    so it's usually really clean.
    I cover everything too.
    And you?

    I don't cover everything. Because sometimes I forget. :-(
    Do you also sometimes forget to cover everything?

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 8 04:06:50 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum <=-

    thing I'm not sure on (because I don't see it that often) is the gas
    marks on an oven. I've had nothing but electric stoves/ovens since
    leaving AZ so no need to be super concerned about that anyway. (G)

    I /think/ (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) the gas mark bit is a very
    UK thing as I've never heard it out side of UK cookbooks / videos.

    I have a gas stove in the woods (now running propane) and it just has the standard temps in USCS as it's very old.

    Nice to know. Something I'd clip and tape to an (inside) cabinet door
    for quick reference. Looking at the above, main difference I see is
    that their tablespoon is 20 ml, vs the 15 ml I use.

    I will admit I have replaced my measuring things in the kitchen to USCS
    ones due to the fact most of my recipes come from this group and it was
    easier. ;)

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 8 06:15:59 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I'm seeing more published/print recipes, especially from Saveur and
    Nre York Times w/dual measures. The ones from metric countries are
    metric only, for the most part.

    Understandable as they're not as familiar with the American
    cups/tea/table spoons. But yes, it's not that hard to convert so a
    recipe can be written with dual measurements without problems. Only
    thing I'm not sure on (because I don't see it that often) is the gas
    marks on an oven. I've had nothing but electric stoves/ovens since
    leaving AZ so no need to be super concerned about that anyway. (G)

    I think the "Gas mark" is a British/UK thing. I cannot recall that I
    ever saw them on a gas oven that I used. Or possibly I didn't pay them
    an attention as I was trying to get the control to the Farenheit number
    given in the recipe. Bv)=

    One of my Australian sources has a nice "bolerplate" addition at the
    end of each recipe. To wit: /begin pasted/

    COOK'S NOTES: Oven temperatures are for conventional; if
    using fan-forced (convection), reduce the temperature by
    20°C.

    We use Australian tablespoons and cups: 1 teaspoon
    equals 5 ml; 1 tablespoon equals 20 ml; 1 cup equals
    250 ml.

    All herbs are fresh (unless specified) and cups are
    lightly packed.

    All vegetables are medium size and peeled, unless
    specified.

    All eggs are 55-60g (large) unless specified.

    Nice to know. Something I'd clip and tape to an (inside) cabinet door
    for quick reference. Looking at the above, main difference I see is
    that their tablespoon is 20 ml, vs the 15 ml I use.

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that others
    than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list,
    halved or quartered:

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    Looks good, have you tried the red sauce moussaka? That's good too.

    I have tried it more than once. I just prefer the white (bechamel)
    sauce.

    I'll take either one. (G)

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy
    moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the
    first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the twig
    is bent ....

    This is another of my Greek specialities. I had to learn to make this
    because we don't have a Greek restaurant within 75 miles amd the Saint Anthony's Greek Fest is only once a year.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Greek Lemon Chicken Soup (Avgolemono)
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Rice, Citrus
    Yield: 5 servings

    4 c Water
    2 lb Bone-in, skin-on chicken
    - thighs and/or legs
    1 md White onion, quartered
    2 lg Carrots; in chunks
    2 Ribs celery; in chunks
    2 Bay leaves
    1/4 c Long-grain white rice;
    - rinsed, drained
    1 Egg white; room temp
    3 Egg yolks; room temp
    1 tb Lemon zest
    1/4 c Lemon juice
    1 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Pepper
    Fresh parsley, dill &
    - oregano; garnish (opt)
    Fresh lemon zest; garnish
    - (opt)

    PREPARE THE CHICKEN BROTH: In a large soup pot, combine
    the water, chicken, onion, carrots, celery and bay
    leaves. Bring to a boil over medium-high heat and then
    reduce to a simmer. Let cook for 2-3 hours, skimming
    foam from the top, as needed, until a rich chicken broth
    forms. (Learn more about making chicken broth, if this
    is new to you.)

    After 2-3 hours, discard the veggies and bay leaves and
    remove the chicken from the broth. Separate the chicken
    meat from the skin and bones, shred and set aside.

    Step 3: Cook the rice Remove 1 cup of broth from the
    stockpot and set aside. Then, bring the remaining broth
    back to a boil and add the rice. Reduce to a simmer and
    cook the rice until tender, about 15-20 minutes.

    EDITOR'S TIP: You may be tempted to skip rinsing your
    rice, but please, don't. Rinsing the rice removes
    surface starch from individual grains, which can cause
    them to become gummy as they cook and clump together.
    For fluffy rice with a better texture, always rinse!

    PREPARE THE AVGOLEMONO: While the rice cooks, prepare
    the avgolemono. In a stand mixer fitted with a whisk
    attachment, beat the egg whites to soft peaks; it will
    take 2-3 minutes.

    Then, add the egg yolks and beat for another 1-2 minutes
    until frothy. Slowly add the lemon juice and zest and
    stir to combine. Then, temper the lemon-egg mixture by
    gradually adding the reserved cup of hot broth to the
    mixer in a slow, steady stream while whisking
    continuously. Continue to beat the mixture until
    well-blended; 1-2 minutes.

    ADD AVGOLEMONO TO SOUP: Slowly transfer the avgolemono
    to the pot of broth and fully cooked rice on the stove.
    Stir to combine and then bring the soup to a simmer. Add
    salt and pepper and cook for 10-12 minutes, or until the
    soup thickens.

    Ladle the soup into bowls and top with a bit of the
    reserved shredded chicken, if desired. Garnish with
    fresh parsley, dill, oregano and lemon zest, and serve
    with crusty bread.

    NOTE: You can save a lot of time by opting for a
    high-quality store-bought chicken broth rather than
    making your own. Simply pick up this recipe at Step 3
    if using store-bought broth.

    UDD NOTE: Broth is easy and easily done on an otherwise
    lazy Saturday afternoon. And making the broth also gives
    you the shredded chicken for many recipes.

    Lauren Habermehl, Mikwaukee, Wisconsin

    Makes: 4 - 6 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 8 07:07:45 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: Broccoli Casserole
    Categories: Casseroles, Vegetables, Cheese
    Yield: 3 Servings

    FROM: Paula Deen

    Thought it looked familiar (G); I've got a couple of her cook books.

    I'm making this for tomorrow night's supper:

    Title: Dave's Tortellini Supper
    Categories: Pasta, Vegetables, Pork, Cheese, Sauces
    Yield: 6 servings

    Looks good. I'm waiting to see what time Steve gets home from RARSFest (Raleigh Amateur Radio Society) to finalise what we're doing for
    supper. The event ends around 3 but he volunteered to be on the clean
    up crew. It'll be interesting to see what he comes home with. (G)


    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Did I say 6 servings on the supper recipe? I had my newly released from Hospital friend, Les and his wife over for supper. There were no (none,
    not even any gravy) leftovers. That's a keeper.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Aunt Peggy's Orange Glazed Ham Steak
    Categories: Five, Pork, Citrus
    Yield: 4 servings

    1/4 c Sugar
    1 tb + 1 ts cornstarch
    2 tb Boiling water
    1/4 c Orange juice
    2 Oranges; juiced, zest fine
    - grated
    2 Ham steaks; 1 lb, 1/2" thick
    - each

    Recipe Courtesy of Paula Deen

    Set the oven @ 350ºF/175ºC.

    In a small bowl, whisk together the sugar, cornstarch
    and boiling water until the granules dissolve. Whisk in
    the orange zest and juice.

    Put the ham steaks in a large baking dish. Pour half of
    the glaze over the meat, turning once to coat them
    evenly. Bake for 1 hour, turning the steaks occasionally
    and basting them with the remaining glaze. The glaze
    will thicken and the finished ham will be golden around
    the edges. Remove from the oven and transfer the steaks
    to a serving platter.

    Serve hot.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.foodnetwork.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ben Collver on Mon Apr 8 07:19:37 2024
    Ben Collver wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I've used Meal Masher since it was a shareware program and I did not
    know that. How does one do that?

    It's in the Meal Masher Manual:

    <https://web.archive.org/web/20151030052335/ http://episoft.home.comcast.net/~episoft/mmdown.htm>

    Automatic Unit Conversion, pages 27-28

    Pressing Alt-E will convert all ingredients to English measures, and pressing Alt-M will convert all ingredients to Metric measures.

    ***

    I've noticed that it doesn't always pick the unit i would prefer, so
    i need to go to a specific ingredient and press Alt-U for that.

    IOW - RTFM. Bv)=

    Thanks for the links. I'm also going to have to comb through the docs
    to see if there is a utility/function for weeding out duplicate recipes.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Duplicate
    Categories: Pasta, Vegetables, Cheese, Herbs
    Yield: 5 Servings

    12 oz Box Barilla Whole Grain
    - Spaghetti
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    2 ts Extra virgin olive oil
    1 pt Cherry tomatoes; halved
    Salt & fresh ground pepper
    6 Leaves basil; in thin strips
    1/2 c Parmesan cheese; grated

    Cook the pasta according to the directions on the box.
    Drain well.

    Combine the garlic, herbs, tomatoes and a pinch of salt
    in a microwaveable bowl. Add the pasta, making sure it's
    completely coated in the sauce so it doesn't dry out.

    Cover the bowl with cling film then pierce a few times
    in the centre. Put kitchen paper on your microwave plate
    to absorb any spills then place the bowl on top and cook
    on High for 2 mins. Carefully peel back the cling film
    and stir well. Add 5 tb water and stir again, then
    replace the film and leave to stand for 1 min.

    Serve on plates passing the Parmesan, salt and pepper.

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.foodnetwork.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 8 07:58:38 2024
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I've used Meal Masher since it was a shareware program and I did not
    know that. How does one do that?

    Okay, I checked again. I confused "decimal fractions" with metric for some reason. I stand corrected.

    s'okay Ben sent me/posted links to what I need. Now I'll have to RTFM.

    Still, we're better off than the British Empire which uses metric, BSF (British Standard Fine) *and* Whitworth standards. Anyone who has ever owned an older British motorcycle or car can tell you that you will
    need three sets of tool to work on it.

    The nice thing about standards is that there's so many to choose from.

    I saved your temp conversion list.

    I find it a handy tool when banging in recipes. And it's easy to cut &
    paste from the list into your recipe. And I edit on the fly as I enter
    them - rather than do a straight pste. The New York Times has a bug up
    its butt about Kosher salt. And they seem to have take payola from the
    Diamond Crystal folks. For example:

    1 pound brussels sprouts (or cruciferous vegetables like broccoli,
    cauliflower or even cabbage)
    1 lemon
    4 tablespoons extra-virgin olive oil
    Kosher salt (such as Diamond Crystal) and black pepper
    1/2 teaspoon red-pepper flakes
    1 (18-ounce) package shelf-stable or refrigerated potato gnocchi
    6 tablespoons unsalted butter, sliced into 6 pieces
    1/2 teaspoon honey
    Freshly grated Parmesan, for serving

    The original ingredients listing. I see no reason for Kosher salt and especially not their Payola Pal Brand. Here's the way it wound up in my database. You'll note, too, that I have made this and regular table salt
    worked just fine. Bv)= Makes a dandy non-meat supper.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Crisp Gnocchi w/Brussels Sprouts & Brown Butter
    Categories: Vegetables, Pasta, Citrus, Cheese, Chilies
    Yield: 4 servings

    1 lb Brussels sprouts *
    1 Lemon
    4 tb Extra-virgin olive oil
    Salt
    1/2 ts Red-pepper flakes
    18 oz Bag refrigerated or shelf-
    - stable potato gnocchi
    6 tb Unsalted butter; sliced in 6
    - pieces
    1/2 ts Honey
    Fresh grated Parmesan; to
    - serve

    * or cruciferous vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower
    or even cabbage.

    Trim and halve the brussels sprouts. Using a vegetable
    peeler, peel thick strips of lemon zest, then coarsely
    chop. (You should have about 2 teaspoons chopped zest.)

    In a large (preferably 12") skillet, heat 3 tablespoons
    olive oil over medium-high. Add the brussels sprouts,
    season with 1/2 teaspoon salt and a few grinds of
    pepper, then arrange the brussels sprouts in an even
    layer, cut side down. Scatter the lemon zest over the
    top and cook, undisturbed, until the brussels sprouts
    are well browned underneath, 3 to 5 minutes. Add the
    red-pepper flakes, stir and cook until the brussels
    sprouts are crisp-tender, 2 to 3 minutes. Transfer to a
    medium bowl.

    In the same skillet, heat the remaining 1 tablespoon
    olive oil over medium-high. Break up any gnocchi that
    are stuck together, add them to the pan and cook,
    covered and undisturbed, until golden brown on one side,
    2 to 4 minutes. Add the butter and honey, season with
    salt and a generous amount of black pepper, and cook,
    stirring, until the butter is golden, nutty smelling and
    foaming, 1 to 2 minutes. Stir in the brussels sprouts
    until warmed through. Serve with grated Parmesan.

    By: Ali Slagle

    Yield: 4 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 8 08:34:42 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    The one in WF isn't exactly on the main drag either. There used to be a PDQ beside it; they recently closed and I've heard that a Cook Out is coming to fill the spot. Best thing I've heard about them is that they regularly have about 45 flavors of milkshakes, with special ones added seasonally.

    'Nother chicken joint bites the dust. Long as you've got a Popeyes
    you're in good shape. Bv)=

    This one was more like Chick-Fil-A, but not as good. When they first opened, they had a blueberry cole slaw which was pretty good. We'd not been there in some years when we went a couple of years ago and found
    that the cole slaw had been taken off the menu. As for Popeyes--the nearest one is Raleigh; we do have a couple of Bojangles in town but we prefer Popeyes.

    Chick Filly was *never* high on my list of "bought chicken'. There used
    to was a regional chain called Brown's Chicen that had more location in Springfield than McDonalds. And the chicken was excellent so the places
    were alway busy. But in '93 there was a massacre in a Chicago area store
    (7 employees killed) which caused a fall off in business and led to the
    closure of many stores. All of the Springfield store closed. Many of the buildings hold other food places. One has my favourite Chinese restaurant,
    Tai Pan. A couple of others are now Subway stores. And one is home to
    Peerless Cleaning & Restoration Services a leading carpet cleaner,
    disaster resuce, flood restoration, etc. company.

    I was sad to see tem go. Especially when my other favourite chicken
    joint left town and I was stuck with Kentucky Fried Colonel until we
    got Popeyes.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Lee's Famous Coleslaw Copycat
    Categories: Greens, Vegetables, Salads
    Yield: 8 servings

    1 md Head cabbage
    1/4 c Sugar
    1 lg Carrot
    1 md Onion
    Mayonaise; as needed
    1/3 c Oil
    1/2 ts Salt

    Chop all vegetables fine. Add sugar, salt and oil. Add
    mayo to the consistency you like.

    A post online from someone who used to work for Lee's
    says they made this 50 lbs at a time, and noted that
    they use cottonseed oil rather than vegetable oil.

    UDD BOTE: Sometimes I add very finely diced green bell
    pepper. Both for the cruch and a bit of colour.

    From: Megan Stewart, Middletown, Ohio

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.justapinch.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Sean Dennis on Mon Apr 8 08:44:14 2024
    Sean Dennis wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    During the Clinton Administration, I-265 around Louisville was dual
    signed for miles and kms. It has been under destruction for so long
    that I have not been on it in a while and am not sure if that is still
    the case or not.

    I didn't know about the dual signage but I believe it about "construction"...job security for 20 years.

    The dual signage is not there. But, if you want to see long term
    construction look to I-64 past Beckley to the Virginia line. Three
    (or more) generations of road building tradesmen have retired from
    their constant "straightening and re-routing". It's a pretty drive
    You can save some miles by taking US 60 from Charlestown to where it
    re-joins I-64 at Lewistown, WV. Not recommended for semi-trucks Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: West Virginia Hot Dog Sauce
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Chilies
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1 lb 80/20 ground chuck
    1 md Onion; diced small
    3 oz Tomato paste
    18 oz Tap water
    1/2 c Ketchup
    1 ts Apple cider vinegar
    1 tb Chilli spice mix
    1/2 ts Salt; more to taste
    1 ts Black pepper

    In a large pot add hamburger and enough water to cover
    meat. Work meat with hands to crumble. Cook over medium
    till meat is done.

    Add remaining ingredients and cook for an hour and a
    half, add more water if needed to thin. 1/4 teaspoon of
    red pepper flake may be added durning the last half hour
    if you prefer a little heat...enjoy

    By: Dave Thomas

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.justapinch.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Denis Mosko on Mon Apr 8 12:27:04 2024
    Hi Denis,


    on *06.04.24* at *11:56:31* You wrote in area *COOKING*
    to *Shawn Highfield* about *"Re: Don't want to have to cle"*.

    I boil a glass bowl full of water and steam the microwave then wipe it out. I cover everything when it goes into the microwave so it's usually really clean.

    I cover everything too.
    And you?

    I'll cover about 99% of stuff. If I'm just heating something like a
    muffin or similar, I'll set it on a napkin, then hit the 30 second power button. I'll check it after 15-20 seconds, if warm enough then, I'll
    take it out and cancel the remaining time. Same with reheating a mug of
    tea, just give it a short burst of power, adding more if neccessary but stopping before it goes to a boil.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Mon Apr 8 12:34:49 2024
    Hi Shaun,


    thing I'm not sure on (because I don't see it that often) is the gas
    marks on an oven. I've had nothing but electric stoves/ovens since
    leaving AZ so no need to be super concerned about that anyway. (G)

    I /think/ (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) the gas mark bit is a
    very UK thing as I've never heard it out side of UK cookbooks /
    videos.

    Same here, and the only time I cooked in England, it was all stove top.
    Back in 1988 I went over (from Germany) with some friends. We rented a
    house in Tunbridge Wells for a week, I cooked supper one night.
    Spaghetti with meat sauce, no garlic bread so no oven needed.


    I have a gas stove in the woods (now running propane) and it just has
    the standard temps in USCS as it's very old.

    We have a propane stove in the camper--3 burners and an oven. Since it's American built, it's all American markings. Last year up in VT, the
    place we stayed at (the rest of the team; we stayed in our camper,
    parked outside) had a small kitchen with a nice big (gas) countertop
    range. The rest of the kitchen wasn't that great, just a fridge and
    microwave, but we were able to work with it.

    Nice to know. Something I'd clip and tape to an (inside) cabinet
    door RH> for quick reference. Looking at the above, main difference I
    see is RH> that their tablespoon is 20 ml, vs the 15 ml I use.

    I will admit I have replaced my measuring things in the kitchen to
    USCS ones due to the fact most of my recipes come from this group and
    it was easier. ;)

    Smart--just make sure they're nice and sturdy. I started out with a set
    of Tupperware (plastic) measures but a while back switched to all metal
    and glass measures.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wed Apr 10 06:11:00 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    We have a propane stove in the camper--3 burners and an oven. Since
    it's American built, it's all American markings. Last year up in VT,

    Ours is a full size range old old old never heard of the brand, when I get there in another month or so I'll write it down and let you know.

    Our oven is an electric one I picked up years ago that uses light somehow.
    The gas oven doesn't seem to work and we don't cook enough in it to fix it
    when the countertop one works so well. (Plus electricity is included in my yearly fee's)

    Smart--just make sure they're nice and sturdy. I started out with a
    set of Tupperware (plastic) measures but a while back switched to all metal and glass measures.

    I use all metal and glass here as well. I don't expect I'll have to
    replace anything unless I drop it. :)

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 9 12:27:16 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I think the "Gas mark" is a British/UK thing. I cannot recall that I

    Seems to be. We had an electric stove in Berlin, and, IIRC, Frankfurt so
    I didn't have to be concerned with gas mark conversions.

    ever saw them on a gas oven that I used. Or possibly I didn't pay
    them DD> an attention as I was trying to get the control to the
    Farenheit DD> number given in the recipe. Bv)=

    For decades, even before Steve went into the Army, we've kept a
    thermometer in the oven. Last place we lived in Swansboro, the oven had
    no markings and we had a rather dark brown pizza the night we moved in.
    I'd had an electric stove at the previous place and just guessed where I
    needed to turn the knob on the gas stove. IIRC, we also bought a
    replacement knob with the markings.


    One of my Australian sources has a nice "bolerplate" addition at the
    end of each recipe. To wit: /begin pasted/

    Nice to know. Something I'd clip and tape to an (inside) cabinet door
    for quick reference. Looking at the above, main difference I see is
    that their tablespoon is 20 ml, vs the 15 ml I use.

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that
    others than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    As I understand, most USA recipies are now written with large eggs as
    the standard. I think the conversion to medium is 3 medium equal 2
    large eggs.

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list,
    halved or quartered:

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    Looks good, have you tried the red sauce moussaka? That's good too.

    I have tried it more than once. I just prefer the white (bechamel)
    sauce.

    I'll take either one. (G)

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the
    twig is bent ....

    Yes, same as my favorite bbq is eastern NC pork. (G)


    This is another of my Greek specialities. I had to learn to make this because we don't have a Greek restaurant within 75 miles amd the Saint Anthony's Greek Fest is only once a year.


    Title: Greek Lemon Chicken Soup (Avgolemono)
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Rice, Citrus
    Yield: 5 servings

    That'll work. One of the Greek Orthodox churches in Raleigh does a big
    festival every year but we've yet to go. Nearest Greek restaurant is
    also in Raleigh.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 9 12:38:05 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I'm making this for tomorrow night's supper:

    Title: Dave's Tortellini Supper
    Categories: Pasta, Vegetables, Pork, Cheese, Sauces
    Yield: 6 servings

    Looks good. I'm waiting to see what time Steve gets home from RARSFest (Raleigh Amateur Radio Society) to finalise what we're doing for
    supper. The event ends around 3 but he volunteered to be on the clean
    up crew. It'll be interesting to see what he comes home with. (G)

    He got home about 5:30 so I slipped a (commercial) lasagne in the oven,
    had it with grlic bread. He came home with a few odds and ends, gave me
    the T-shirt he got for being a volunteer.


    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)



    Did I say 6 servings on the supper recipe? I had my newly released
    from Hospital friend, Les and his wife over for supper. There were no (none, not even any gravy) leftovers. That's a keeper.

    Those are the best, when there are no left overs when having guests over
    for a meal. Less clean up since all the food was eaten. Load up the
    dishwasher (if you have one) and do a bunch of hand wash dishes, then
    kick back and relax.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 9 12:47:28 2024
    Hi Dave,

    'Nother chicken joint bites the dust. Long as you've got a Popeyes
    you're in good shape. Bv)=

    This one was more like Chick-Fil-A, but not as good. When they first opened, they had a blueberry cole slaw which was pretty good. We'd not been there in some years when we went a couple of years ago and found
    that the cole slaw had been taken off the menu. As for Popeyes--the nearest one is Raleigh; we do have a couple of Bojangles in town but we prefer Popeyes.

    Chick Filly was *never* high on my list of "bought chicken'. There
    used to was a regional chain called Brown's Chicen that had more
    location in Springfield than McDonalds. And the chicken was excellent
    so the places were alway busy. But in '93 there was a massacre in a

    We've always like C-F-A, never had any regional chains.


    I was sad to see tem go. Especially when my other favourite chicken
    joint left town and I was stuck with Kentucky Fried Colonel until we
    got Popeyes.

    We've tried both Bojangles and KFC (both represented here in WF) but
    prefer Popeyes, even tho the closest one is in Raleigh.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 11 06:46:35 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Denis Mosko <=-

    I boil a glass bowl full of water and steam the microwave then wipe it out. I cover everything when it goes into the microwave so it's usually really clean.

    I cover everything too.
    And you?

    I'll cover about 99% of stuff. If I'm just heating something like a
    muffin or similar, I'll set it on a napkin, then hit the 30 second
    power button. I'll check it after 15-20 seconds, if warm enough then,
    I'll take it out and cancel the remaining time. Same with reheating a
    mug of tea, just give it a short burst of power, adding more if
    neccessary but stopping before it goes to a boil.

    I only cover stuff that I think will splatter. Heating water for tea or
    hot chocolate - no cover because water is thin enough that the bubbles
    when it nears boiling don't cause spatter. Soups, now, that's different. Anything with a thick, viscous liquid gets a cover of some sort if I'm
    giving it more than a minute in my 1100 watt nuker. Usually a saucer or
    plate set on top of the bowl with the grub. Cream of (whatever) soups especially.

    If doing pot pies, the pie gets a diaper - usually a saucer, which is
    easily washable, instead of a paper towel.

    Then we get to making "baked" potatoes in the microwave. Bv)=

    This doesn't require a diaper nor a cover. Just a sweet tooth and/or
    an appetite.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Chile-Chocolate Microwave Mug Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Snacks, Chocolate, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Serving

    4 tb (45 g) self raising flour
    4 tb (55 g) caster sugar
    2 tb (17 g) cocoa powder
    1 lg Egg
    3 tb (43 ml) milk
    3 tb (25 ml) sunflower oil
    3 tb Chocolate chips
    sm Dash of vanilla extract
    lg Pinch of dried chile *

    * You could use ground chile powder or replace the choc
    chips with chile chocolate. You could also use more or
    less chile depending on your tastebuds. - UDD

    Add dry ingredients (including chile) to a large coffee
    mug, and mix well. Add the egg and mix thoroughly Add
    the milk and oil - mix well (don't forget the corners /
    edges of the mug). Add the chocolate chips (if using)
    and vanilla extract, and mix again Put your mug in the
    microwave and cook for 3 minutes (in an 800 watt
    microwave).

    The cake will rise above the top of the mug, but don't
    worry it's supposed to! Allow to cool a little, tip out
    onto a plate.

    EAT and enjoy - this can serve two - it's a huge portion
    for one!

    From: http://blog.chilliupnorth.co.uk

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 11 06:51:15 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I think the "Gas mark" is a British/UK thing. I cannot recall that I

    Seems to be. We had an electric stove in Berlin, and, IIRC, Frankfurt
    so I didn't have to be concerned with gas mark conversions.

    ever saw them on a gas oven that I used. Or possibly I didn't pay
    them any attention as I was trying to get the control to the
    Farenheit number given in the recipe. Bv)=

    For decades, even before Steve went into the Army, we've kept a thermometer in the oven. Last place we lived in Swansboro, the oven had
    no markings and we had a rather dark brown pizza the night we moved in. I'd had an electric stove at the previous place and just guessed where
    I needed to turn the knob on the gas stove. IIRC, we also bought a replacement knob with the markings.

    I've an oven thermometer (dial) that also works in the freezer - in fact
    I keep it dangling from a shelf grid almost at eye level most of the time.
    I use(d) it to get an approximation of the accuracy of the temperature
    settings on whichever oven I am using. My current smooth top has digital settings for the oven which are amazingly accurate. If it's a dial setting
    and it's within five degrees either way I'm happy with that.

    One of my Australian sources has a nice "bolerplate" addition at the
    end of each recipe. To wit: /begin pasted/

    Nice to know. Something I'd clip and tape to an (inside) cabinet door
    for quick reference. Looking at the above, main difference I see is
    that their tablespoon is 20 ml, vs the 15 ml I use.

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that
    others than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    As I understand, most USA recipies are now written with large eggs as
    the standard. I think the conversion to medium is 3 medium equal 2
    large eggs.

    It's hard to find medium or small (pullet) eggs in most markets. I do
    see "jumbo" sized - which I have bought to make breakfast eggs or egg sandwiches but not for use in recipes as an ingredient.

    8<----- CUT ----->8

    I've not made this yet - but it's high on my "Roun d Tuit" list,
    halved or quartered:

    Title: Sophia's Moussaka
    Categories: Potatoes, Vegetables, Beef, Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 12 Servings

    Looks good, have you tried the red sauce moussaka? That's good too.

    I have tried it more than once. I just prefer the white (bechamel)
    sauce.

    I'll take either one. (G)

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the
    twig is bent ....

    Yes, same as my favorite bbq is eastern NC pork. (G)

    I don't know if I've posted my version of N.C. sauce - which I make
    following an article in Chile Pepper Magazine. (see below)

    This is another of my Greek specialities. I had to learn to make this because we don't have a Greek restaurant within 75 miles amd the Saint Anthony's Greek Fest is only once a year.

    Title: Greek Lemon Chicken Soup (Avgolemono)
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Rice, Citrus
    Yield: 5 servings

    That'll work. One of the Greek Orthodox churches in Raleigh does a big festival every year but we've yet to go. Nearest Greek restaurant is
    also in Raleigh.

    You should make it a point to go if only for the food (moussaka, dolmades (cabbage rolls) and the sop. There are other very nice food items for you
    to put your wasitline in danger with. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: North Carolina BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Bbq, Sauces, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Batch

    1/2 c Brown sugar
    1/2 c Butter
    1 c Red Gold tomato sauce
    5 oz Heniz 57 Sauce (sm bottle)
    1 tb Celery seed
    1 c Onion; chopped
    1 cl Garlic
    1/2 c Vinegar
    1 tb Dry Mustard
    Red pepper flakes

    Carmelise butter and sugar until bubbly. Add vinegar and
    whisk until lumps are gone. Add all other ingredients
    and cook over low heat until thickened.

    More garlic may be added to taste. Red pepper flakes
    can be added to taste.

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 11 06:54:01 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: Dave's Tortellini Supper
    Categories: Pasta, Vegetables, Pork, Cheese, Sauces
    Yield: 6 servings

    Looks good. I'm waiting to see what time Steve gets home from RARSFest (Raleigh Amateur Radio Society) to finalise what we're doing for
    supper. The event ends around 3 but he volunteered to be on the clean
    up crew. It'll be interesting to see what he comes home with. (G)

    He got home about 5:30 so I slipped a (commercial) lasagne in the oven, had it with grlic bread. He came home with a few odds and ends, gave me the T-shirt he got for being a volunteer.

    I find that every "store bought" lasagna I have tries is sorely under flavoured. Even some of the restaurant versions. And sadly, the best of Springfield Italian restaurant has fallen to the wrecking ball of
    progress (highway overpass) and the death of 'Nona' Bianco. I used to
    reply "Whatever Grandma's speecial of the day is" when asked what I'd
    have for supper there. Never got a disappointing meal.

    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)

    That will fit in a tagline only by leaving Ms. Deen out of it. Bv)=

    Did I say 6 servings on the supper recipe? I had my newly released
    from Hospital friend, Les and his wife over for supper. There were no (none, not even any gravy) leftovers. That's a keeper.

    Those are the best, when there are no left overs when having guests
    over for a meal. Less clean up since all the food was eaten. Load up
    the dishwasher (if you have one) and do a bunch of hand wash dishes,
    then kick back and relax.

    I do have a dishwasher. Two of them. Right hand and left hand. There, literally, is no room in my tiny Pullman kitchen for an electric dish
    washer. And cabinet space is so limited I'm dogged if I'll give any of
    it over to a convenience appliance.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dishwasher Lasagne
    Categories: Five, Cheese, Pasta, Greens, Sauces
    Yield: 2 Servings

    450 g (16 oz) ricotta cheese
    2 c Baby spinach leaves; chopped
    2 cl Garlic; crushed
    1/2 ts (ea) salt & fresh ground
    - pepper
    375 g (13 oz) pasta sauce *
    4 Fresh lasagne sheets

    * Half a jar of your favourite store-bought marinara.

    In a bowl, place the ricotta, spinach, garlic, salt and
    pepper and combine. Lay out four large sheets of foil on
    top of each other.

    Spoon around 1/4 cup of pasta sauce onto the foil and
    top with a lasagne sheet. Place quarter of the ricotta
    mixture and then pasta sauce again.

    Repeat until all ingredients are used, ending with pasta
    sauce.

    Roll the edges up tightly on all four sides. Place into
    the dishwasher for a full hot cycle. Do not add any
    dishwasher powder.

    RECIPE FROM: https://foodlist.pro

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 11 06:55:51 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    'Nother chicken joint bites the dust. Long as you've got a Popeyes
    you're in good shape. Bv)=

    This one was more like Chick-Fil-A, but not as good. When they first opened, they had a blueberry cole slaw which was pretty good. We'd not been there in some years when we went a couple of years ago and found
    that the cole slaw had been taken off the menu. As for Popeyes--the nearest one is Raleigh; we do have a couple of Bojangles in town but we prefer Popeyes.

    Chick Filly was *never* high on my list of "bought chicken'. There
    used to was a regional chain called Brown's Chicen that had more
    location in Springfield than McDonalds. And the chicken was excellent
    so the places were alway busy. But in '93 there was a massacre in a

    We've always like C-F-A, never had any regional chains.

    Diff'rnt strokes for diff'rnt folks ... said the old lady as she kissed
    the cow.

    I was sad to see them go. Especially when my other favourite chicken
    joint left town and I was stuck with Kentucky Fried Colonel until we
    got Popeyes.

    We've tried both Bojangles and KFC (both represented here in WF) but prefer Popeyes, even tho the closest one is in Raleigh.

    Never tried Bojangles. We've got a newly come to town Cane's on the
    far west side ('bout as far from me as is possible and still be "in
    town"). I have yet to try them.

    We used to have a Church's Chicken but whoever picked the location
    seemingly went strictly on traffic count. Easy enough to get into
    their parking lot - but getting out was a really frustrating, road rage inducing experience. They are ((were, haven't been for a while) very
    close to Popeyes. There is one near(ish) to you in Raliegh and another
    in Durham if you get over that way.

    This is for their tame chicken. They also serve a zippy version.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Church's Fried Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Herbs
    Yield: 4 Servings

    4 lb Frying chicken; in eight
    - serving pieces

    MMMMM--------------------------BREADING-------------------------------
    1 tb Sugar
    1 1/2 c Self-rising flour
    1/2 c Cornstarch
    3 ts Seasoned salt
    2 ts Paprika
    1/2 ts Baking soda
    1/2 c Biscuit mix
    1 Envelope Italian Dressing
    - Mix
    1 Envelope Onion Soup Mix

    MMMMM------------------------COATING DIP-----------------------------
    2 lg Eggs
    +=MIXED w/ITH=+
    1/4 c Cold water
    1 c Corn oil

    Combine all breading ingredients and blend well. Store
    tightly covered at room temperature up to 3 months.

    TO USE - Dip the chicken pieces in egg mixture and then
    into dry coating mix and back into egg to coat pieces
    evenly and finally back into dry mix. Have oil hot in a
    heavy skillet. Brown skin-side down for 4 to 6 minutes.
    Use medium high heat. Turn and brown a few minutes.

    Transfer to an oiled or Pam-sprayed 9" X 12" X 2" pan.
    Cover pan with foil, sealing only 3 sides of pan. Bake
    350ºF/175ºC for about 45 to 50 minutes. Remove foil.
    Bake another 5 min just to crisp the coating.

    Gloria Pitzer Copycat Recipes

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Wed Apr 10 12:00:18 2024
    Hi Shaun,

    We have a propane stove in the camper--3 burners and an oven. Since
    it's American built, it's all American markings. Last year up in VT,

    Ours is a full size range old old old never heard of the brand, when I
    get there in another month or so I'll write it down and let you know.

    As long as it works, that's the important part. Nancy Backus (was on the
    echo until she passed away in 2020) talked about her stove that had 2 of
    the 4 burners working, plus the oven. She said it came with the house
    which they bought in the mid 70s. We visited her (and husband) several
    times; the first time, when I saw the stove, I was taken back some
    years. It was exactly the same one as my mom had had. Dad had put in a
    new electric stove when he built the house in the mid 50s. About 1976
    she had the kitchen partly remodeled, put in a new stove, sink, fridge
    and cabinets. Don't know what she did with the old stove but it had some interesting features.


    Our oven is an electric one I picked up years ago that uses light
    somehow. The gas oven doesn't seem to work and we don't cook enough in
    it to fix it when the countertop one works so well. (Plus electricity
    is included in my yearly fee's)

    We bought a new stove when we bought this house in late 2014. It's
    electric, with a smooth cook top. First one of those I had in GA,
    military quarters. Found out I have to hold on to the handle of the
    pot/pan while I'm stirring so it won't wander off.


    Smart--just make sure they're nice and sturdy. I started out with a
    set of Tupperware (plastic) measures but a while back switched to all metal and glass measures.

    I use all metal and glass here as well. I don't expect I'll have to replace anything unless I drop it. :)

    Or wear out the measure marks on the glassware. I found out that putting
    the glass measuring cups in the dishwasher wore off the marks over time
    so I replaced them, washing the new ones only by hand. The one cup glass measure that I use the most is showing a few signs of wear but it's
    still very readable. Had I continued using the dishwasher for it, I
    would have probably replaced it several times already.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 12 06:11:46 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    several times; the first time, when I saw the stove, I was taken back
    some years. It was exactly the same one as my mom had had. Dad had put

    That was a fluke for sure!

    in a new electric stove when he built the house in the mid 50s. About
    1976 she had the kitchen partly remodeled, put in a new stove, sink, fridge and cabinets. Don't know what she did with the old stove but it
    had some interesting features.

    The old ones were interesting. My grandmother had a 50's era kitchen, I
    am going to ask Mom if she has any pictures as I can't remember much, but
    I do remember her range had two ovens one above the burners and one under
    the burners (in the normal spot).

    electric, with a smooth cook top. First one of those I had in GA,
    military quarters. Found out I have to hold on to the handle of the pot/pan while I'm stirring so it won't wander off.

    My daughter has one of those smooth tops. I prefer the older electric
    one we have, but I'm also used to it. (She lives 3 floors below us in
    same building, but her apartment is a recent re-model). Our apartment
    is right out of 1977. LOL

    Or wear out the measure marks on the glassware. I found out that
    putting the glass measuring cups in the dishwasher wore off the marks
    over time so I replaced them, washing the new ones only by hand. The

    No dishwasher here, but marks wear off anyway, I find showing the ingredient the cup works while I eyeball amounts. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 11 14:22:33 2024
    I cover everything too.
    And you?

    I'll cover about 99% of stuff. If I'm just heating something like a
    muffin or similar, I'll set it on a napkin, then hit the 30 second
    power button. I'll check it after 15-20 seconds, if warm enough then,
    I'll take it out and cancel the remaining time. Same with reheating a
    mug of tea, just give it a short burst of power, adding more if
    neccessary but stopping before it goes to a boil.

    I only cover stuff that I think will splatter. Heating water for tea
    or hot chocolate - no cover because water is thin enough that the
    bubbles
    when it nears boiling don't cause spatter. Soups, now, that's

    And a little bit of boiling water will help keep the microwave cleaner.
    (G)


    different. Anything with a thick, viscous liquid gets a cover of some
    sort if I'm
    giving it more than a minute in my 1100 watt nuker. Usually a saucer
    or plate set on top of the bowl with the grub. Cream of (whatever)
    soups especially.

    We've got the plastic covers but will use a plate or whatever sometimes. Especially if it's something that can be dumped into the bowl or onto
    the plate, we'll go with them instead of the regular cover.


    If doing pot pies, the pie gets a diaper - usually a saucer, which is easily washable, instead of a paper towel.

    Makes more sense, you can invert the pot pie onto the plate after
    heating to make it easier to eat.


    Then we get to making "baked" potatoes in the microwave. Bv)=

    Remember to pierce them with a fork or knife several times; it'll help
    control the explosions.

    This doesn't require a diaper nor a cover. Just a sweet tooth
    and/or DD> an appetite.


    Title: Chile-Chocolate Microwave Mug Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Snacks, Chocolate, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Serving

    4 tb (45 g) self raising flour
    4 tb (55 g) caster sugar
    2 tb (17 g) cocoa powder
    1 lg Egg
    3 tb (43 ml) milk
    3 tb (25 ml) sunflower oil
    3 tb Chocolate chips
    sm Dash of vanilla extract
    lg Pinch of dried chile *

    * You could use ground chile powder or replace the choc
    chips with chile chocolate. You could also use more or
    less chile depending on your tastebuds. - UDD

    EAT and enjoy - this can serve two - it's a huge portion
    for one!

    Looks good and easy enough to mix up and "bake" while working on the
    rest of the meal.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 11 14:30:13 2024
    Hi Dave,

    ever saw them on a gas oven that I used. Or possibly I didn't pay
    them any attention as I was trying to get the control to the
    Farenheit number given in the recipe. Bv)=

    For decades, even before Steve went into the Army, we've kept a thermometer in the oven. Last place we lived in Swansboro, the oven had
    no markings and we had a rather dark brown pizza the night we moved in. I'd had an electric stove at the previous place and just guessed where
    I needed to turn the knob on the gas stove. IIRC, we also bought a replacement knob with the markings.

    I've an oven thermometer (dial) that also works in the freezer - in

    I've got a separate one in the freezer, have had problems with the
    milirary housing issued ones over the years also. Some were replaced
    with brand new, others just swapped out with one from a empty housing
    unit.

    settings on whichever oven I am using. My current smooth top has
    digital settings for the oven which are amazingly accurate. If it's a

    That's what mine has also.

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that
    others than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    Except for those that are literalists. (G)

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the
    twig is bent ....

    Yes, same as my favorite bbq is eastern NC pork. (G)

    I don't know if I've posted my version of N.C. sauce - which I make following an article in Chile Pepper Magazine. (see below)


    Title: North Carolina BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Bbq, Sauces, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Batch

    That's more of a Lexington or western NC BBQ sauce. Lexington style is a
    hybrid of eastern which is basically vinegar and spices, western which
    is a tomato sauce based with spices. Lexington is thinner than western
    NC, somewhat thicker than eastern. My favorite is eastern NC but
    Lexington is pretty good as a 2nd choice.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 11 14:38:08 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I find that every "store bought" lasagna I have tries is sorely under flavoured. Even some of the restaurant versions. And sadly, the best

    Of the various ones we've tried, we like Micheal Angelo's the best,
    Stouffers the least.


    of Springfield Italian restaurant has fallen to the wrecking ball of progress (highway overpass) and the death of 'Nona' Bianco. I used to reply "Whatever Grandma's speecial of the day is" when asked what I'd
    have for supper there. Never got a disappointing meal.

    If Grandma is cooking, it's got to be good. Don't remember if Grandpa
    Sam's (the one we've been to a couple of times with Steve's mom &
    siblings) has a special like that but we've enjoyed it. Steve's older
    sister and husband always get the chicken parm, whenever/wherever
    they're at an Italian place; we try different things to see how they
    compare to what we make or have had in other places. I had the chicken
    piccotta last time which got me thinking about making my own--which
    turned out surprisingly easy to do.

    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)

    That will fit in a tagline only by leaving Ms. Deen out of it. Bv)=

    OK, "coat with butter, bacon wrap, batter dip & fry". Paula Deen


    I do have a dishwasher. Two of them. Right hand and left hand. There, literally, is no room in my tiny Pullman kitchen for an electric dish washer. And cabinet space is so limited I'm dogged if I'll give any of
    it over to a convenience appliance.

    I understand. Deborah gave my parents a portable dishwasher, fit right
    beside the counter that separated the kitchen and dining room. OTOH, I
    like my built in--but would settle for a portable if I had no other
    option. Mom could have put in a built in when she had the kitchen
    remodeled but didn't want to give up cabinet space, and said she had
    enough dishwasher/dryer help when we were home. At that time only the
    last of the 5 kids was at home full time; I was married & others were in various colleges or otherwise on their own.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 11 14:52:03 2024
    Hi Dave,

    We've tried both Bojangles and KFC (both represented here in WF) but prefer Popeyes, even tho the closest one is in Raleigh.

    Never tried Bojangles. We've got a newly come to town Cane's on the
    far west side ('bout as far from me as is possible and still be "in town"). I have yet to try them.

    I presume you'll give a report when you do. Bojangles is a southern
    chain, IIRC, based here in NC.



    We used to have a Church's Chicken but whoever picked the location seemingly went strictly on traffic count. Easy enough to get into

    They don't seem to take anything else but into consideration. Both the
    one in Jacksonville and the one in Savannah (first couple we ever
    saw/tried) were on busy, divided roads/streets without a convenient
    traffic light. One we stopped at in northern AZ out in almost the middle
    of nowhere was on the main road thru town but it was a small town so
    ther probably wasn't a lot of traffic on the road.

    their parking lot - but getting out was a really frustrating, road
    rage inducing experience. They are ((were, haven't been for a
    while) DD> very DD> close to Popeyes. There is one near(ish) to you in
    Raliegh and another DD> in Durham if you get over that way.

    This is for their tame chicken. They also serve a zippy version.


    Title: Church's Fried Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Herbs
    Yield: 4 Servings

    The one we stopped at in AZ didn't offer the jalapeno pepper with the
    meal. It was closed for eat in (drive thru was open) but they let us
    inside since we couldn't do the drive in while towing the camper.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 13 05:33:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    If doing pot pies, the pie gets a diaper - usually a saucer, which is easily washable, instead of a paper towel.

    Makes more sense, you can invert the pot pie onto the plate after
    heating to make it easier to eat.

    My house-mate does that. I just use the flimsy pan it came in and a
    fork. Any debris stick to the pan is a doggy treat for Izz-a-bel or
    Jasper, Dennis' grand-dogs.

    Then we get to making "baked" potatoes in the microwave. Bv)=

    Remember to pierce them with a fork or knife several times; it'll help control the explosions.

    Oh, I do. If I'm feeling "sporty" I'll pierce the tater on one end, then
    on the opposite size on the other end. Sometimes it causes the potato to
    spi like a top from the escaping steam.

    This doesn't require a diaper nor a cover. Just a sweet tooth
    and/or DD> an appetite.

    Title: Chile-Chocolate Microwave Mug Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Snacks, Chocolate, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Serving

    Looks good and easy enough to mix up and "bake" while working on the
    rest of the meal.

    It's one of the very few complex things I cook in the microwave. I don't
    count "steam in bag" veggies or similar as cooking, just hotting up.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Microwave Baked Potato
    Categories: Five, Potatoes
    Yield: 1 Spud

    1 lg Russet potato
    Salt & freshly ground pepper
    Butter or sour cream; to
    - serve

    Wash potato thoroughly and pat completely dry. Pierce 3
    to 4 times with a fork.

    Place potato on microwave-safe plate and microwave 7
    minutes, turning over halfway through cooking. If your
    potato isn't fork-tender after 7 minutes, continue
    microwaving in 1 minute increments until fully cooked.

    Let rest for 2 minutes.

    Split potato down the middle, being careful of steam.
    Season with salt and pepper, and top with butter before
    serving.

    UDD NOTES: Sometimes I like to fork the potato near the
    ends on opposite sides. This can make the potato spin
    like a whirl-a-gig from the escaping steam. Besides the
    butter and/or sour cream toppings I like to use shredded
    cheese and/or bacon bits sometimes. Or salsa/pico di
    gallo. Get inventive.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.delish.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 13 06:03:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I've an oven thermometer (dial) that also works in the freezer - in

    I've got a separate one in the freezer, have had problems with the milirary housing issued ones over the years also. Some were replaced
    with brand new, others just swapped out with one from a empty housing unit.

    I do have a pair of "stick" thermometers, one in the upright freezer
    and the other in the freezer compartment of the ice box. But the dial
    is much easier to read in a glance. Bv)=

    settings on whichever oven I am using. My current smooth top has
    digital settings for the oven which are amazingly accurate. If
    it's a

    That's what mine has also.

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that
    others than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    Except for those that are literalists. (G)

    Or not used to the terms. When I'm inputting recipes I *always* change
    "cub ed" to "diced" if referring to vegetable prep. Cubed, to me is an operation to tenderise a tough piece of meat.

    I also swap "chilli spice mix" for "chili powder" where it's obvious
    that they're not talking about powdered chilies. And I disambiguate that
    from "chili powder" to ground chile (chilies).

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the
    twig is bent ....

    Yes, same as my favorite bbq is eastern NC pork. (G)

    I don't know if I've posted my version of N.C. sauce - which I make following an article in Chile Pepper Magazine. (see below)


    Title: North Carolina BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Bbq, Sauces, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Batch

    That's more of a Lexington or western NC BBQ sauce. Lexington style is
    a hybrid of eastern which is basically vinegar and spices, western
    which is a tomato sauce based with spices. Lexington is thinner than western NC, somewhat thicker than eastern. My favorite is eastern NC
    but Lexington is pretty good as a 2nd choice.

    Here's one I have yet to try .....

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Big Bob Gibson's Alabama White BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Sauces, Chilies, Citrus, Bbq
    Yield: 2 quarts

    1 qt Mayonnaise
    1 1/2 pt Apple cider vinegar
    1/2 c Corn syrup
    1 ts Cayenne pepper; more to taste
    Prepared horseradish
    Lemon juice
    Salt & fresh ground pepper

    Recipe courtesy of Don McLemore

    Place all ingredients in a very large blender or food
    processor. (It may be necessary to do this in 2 batches;
    just add 1/2 of each ingredient and then repeat.) Blend
    for 1 minute, or until thoroughly combined and mixture
    is smooth. Pour sauce into a large bowl.

    Use when grilling chicken; brush lightly over the
    chicken during the last few minutes of grilling. This
    sauce is also great for dipping; set some sauce aside
    for passing at the table.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.foodnetwork.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 13 06:42:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I find that every "store bought" lasagna I have tries is sorely under flavoured. Even some of the restaurant versions. And sadly, the best

    Of the various ones we've tried, we like Micheal Angelo's the best, Stouffers the least.

    Agreed. Stouffer's has some decent frozen entrees - but lasagna ain't one
    of them. I get along just fine with their spaghetti w/meat sauce as long
    as the Parmesan shaker isn't empty. And the Chicke fettucine Alfredo with broccoli is pretty good.

    of Springfield Italian restaurant has fallen to the wrecking ball of progress (highway overpass) and the death of 'Nona' Bianco. I used to reply "Whatever Grandma's speecial of the day is" when asked what I'd
    have for supper there. Never got a disappointing meal.

    If Grandma is cooking, it's got to be good. Don't remember if Grandpa Sam's (the one we've been to a couple of times with Steve's mom & siblings) has a special like that but we've enjoyed it. Steve's older sister and husband always get the chicken parm, whenever/wherever
    they're at an Italian place; we try different things to see how they compare to what we make or have had in other places. I had the chicken piccotta last time which got me thinking about making my own--which
    turned out surprisingly easy to do.

    I had a favourite stop in Detroit Michhigan back in my truck driving days.
    It was on Michigan Avenue near Briggs (basebasll) Stadium - called the "Starlite Cafe" the front door was lettered "Little Warsaw" although it
    was run by Ukranians. As with Bianco's I'd ask "what's Mom (the owner's
    mother) making tonight?" and generally order that.

    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)

    That will fit in a tagline only by leaving Ms. Deen out of it. Bv)=

    OK, "coat with butter, bacon wrap, batter dip & fry". Paula Deen

    I surrender ............

    I do have a dishwasher. Two of them. Right hand and left hand. There, literally, is no room in my tiny Pullman kitchen for an electric dish washer. And cabinet space is so limited I'm dogged if I'll give any of
    it over to a convenience appliance.

    I understand. Deborah gave my parents a portable dishwasher, fit right beside the counter that separated the kitchen and dining room. OTOH, I like my built in--but would settle for a portable if I had no other option. Mom could have put in a built in when she had the kitchen remodeled but didn't want to give up cabinet space, and said she had enough dishwasher/dryer help when we were home. At that time only the
    last of the 5 kids was at home full time; I was married & others were
    in various colleges or otherwise on their own.

    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as the
    hum of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home office space
    off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher, counter seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more), etc. And lots or cabinet and
    pantry space. I've mentally budgeted U$50,000.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Old-Fashioned Pierogies
    Categories: Potatoes, Cheese, Pastry, Dairy
    Yield: 12 servings

    1/4 lb Butter
    1 1/4 c Fine chopped onion; divided
    3 lg Baking potatoes; peeled; in
    - chunks
    1/2 c Shredded cheddar cheese
    1 1/2 ts Salt; divided
    1/4 ts Black pepper
    3 lg Eggs
    1 c Sour cream
    3 c A-P flour; extra for
    - rolling
    1 tb Baking powder

    In a skillet over medium heat, melt butter and saute
    onion 5 to 7 minutes or until tender. Remove 1/4 cup of
    onion and set aside. Continue to cook remaining onion 5
    to 7 minutes or until golden; set aside. In a large
    saucepan, boil potatoes 15 to 20 minutes or until
    tender; drain and mash.

    In a large bowl, combine the 1/4 cup onion, the mashed
    potatoes, cheese, 1 teaspoon salt, and the pepper; mix
    well and set aside.

    To make the dough, in another large bowl, mix eggs and
    sour cream until smooth. In a medium bowl, combine 3
    cups flour, the baking powder, and remaining 1/2
    teaspoon salt; mix well. Add flour mixture to egg
    mixture and stir until dough comes together.

    Place dough on a lightly floured surface and knead until
    smooth. Divide dough in half and cover half with plastic
    wrap. Lightly flour your work surface and, with a
    rolling pin, roll out the dough to 1/8-inch thickness.
    Using a 3" cookie cutter or drinking glass, cut out
    the dough. Place 1 teaspoon potato filling in center of
    each dough round. Moisten edges with water, fold the
    dough over the filling and pinch edges together to seal.
    Repeat with remaining dough and potato mixture.

    Bring a large pot of salted water to a boil over high
    heat. Add pierogies in batches and cook 4 minutes.
    Remove with a slotted spoon to a paper towel-lined
    platter. Over medium heat, add pierogis to skillet with
    remaining onion. Cook until golden and heated through.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.mrfood.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 13 07:19:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    We've tried both Bojangles and KFC (both represented here in WF) but prefer Popeyes, even tho the closest one is in Raleigh.

    Never tried Bojangles. We've got a newly come to town Cane's on the
    far west side ('bout as far from me as is possible and still be "in town"). I have yet to try them.

    I presume you'll give a report when you do. Bojangles is a southern
    chain, IIRC, based here in NC.

    According to the Bing search engine there are 4 in Illinois. The nearest
    is 60 miles north of me in Normal, IL. Long way to go for fats food.

    We used to have a Church's Chicken but whoever picked the location seemingly went strictly on traffic count. Easy enough to get into

    They don't seem to take anything else but into consideration. Both the
    one in Jacksonville and the one in Savannah (first couple we ever saw/tried) were on busy, divided roads/streets without a convenient traffic light. One we stopped at in northern AZ out in almost the
    middle of nowhere was on the main road thru town but it was a small
    town so ther probably wasn't a lot of traffic on the road.

    their parking lot - but getting out was a really frustrating, road
    rage inducing experience. They are ((were, haven't been for a while)
    very close to Popeyes. There is one near(ish) to you in Raliegh
    and another in Durham if you get over that way.

    This is for their tame chicken. They also serve a zippy version.

    Title: Church's Fried Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Herbs
    Yield: 4 Servings

    The one we stopped at in AZ didn't offer the jalapeno pepper with the meal. It was closed for eat in (drive thru was open) but they let us inside since we couldn't do the drive in while towing the camper.

    The nearest one to me is over 70 miles northwest in Peoria. And in a
    VERY dodgy neighbourhood. I was never tempted to stop there when I was delivering to the AutoZone right down the street.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Deep Fried Chicken Gizzards
    Categories: Poultry, Chilies, Dairy
    Yield: 3 servings

    1 lb Chicken gizzards; cleaned, or
    - chicken livers
    1 c Whole milk buttermilk
    2 tb Hot sauce
    2 ts Everglades or Mrs. Dash
    - seasoning, to taste

    MMMMM-------------------------BREADING-------------------------------
    1 c Self rising flour
    1 tb Everglades or Mrs. Dash
    - seasoning, to taste
    2 ts Smoked paprika
    1 ts Black pepper

    Marinate chicken gizzards in ingredients 2-4 for 8-12
    hours to overnight. The buttermilk will help tenderize
    the gizzards

    Drain chicken gizzards/livers. In a mixing bowl combine
    all the breading ingredients. Bread the giblets, making
    sure you coat them evenly.

    Set deep fryer @ 325oF/165oC.

    Deep fry for 4-6 minutes or until golden brown. Drain
    on paper towels

    Plate up and serve with your favorite hot sauce!

    If you want really tender gizzards, simmer the chicken
    gizzards in some water with a little salt, garlic powder
    and hot sauce for 10-15 minutes. Cool, bread, then fry.

    Makes 2 to 4 serings

    Sherri Williams, Crestview, Florida

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.justapinch.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Fri Apr 12 13:43:32 2024
    Hi Shaun,


    several times; the first time, when I saw the stove, I was taken back
    some years. It was exactly the same one as my mom had had. Dad had put

    That was a fluke for sure!

    Quite the surprise. She'd mentioned it a few times but without too much
    of a description. Took seeing it in person to know it was the same as
    mom's.


    in a new electric stove when he built the house in the mid 50s. About
    1976 she had the kitchen partly remodeled, put in a new stove, sink, fridge and cabinets. Don't know what she did with the old stove but it
    had some interesting features.

    The old ones were interesting. My grandmother had a 50's era kitchen,
    I am going to ask Mom if she has any pictures as I can't remember
    much, but I do remember her range had two ovens one above the burners
    and one under the burners (in the normal spot).

    At times I wish I had two ovens, not so much now but when the girls were
    still living at home. The oven I liked the most was in the post housing
    on Fort Hood--it was built into the wall. Stove top was a counter top
    model, IIRC, gas. Our older daughter's kitchen has a stacking built into
    the wall microwave on top, oven on bottom unit and a counter top almost professional gas cook top. The oven doesn't seem to be as big, maybe
    because putting the microwave on top limits its size.

    electric, with a smooth cook top. First one of those I had in GA,
    military quarters. Found out I have to hold on to the handle of the pot/pan while I'm stirring so it won't wander off.

    My daughter has one of those smooth tops. I prefer the older electric
    one we have, but I'm also used to it. (She lives 3 floors below us in same building, but her apartment is a recent re-model). Our apartment
    is right out of 1977. LOL

    Any chance your unit will be remodeled any time soon? They may be
    waiting to do yours until you move out, before working on it; that seems
    to be the way things work.


    Or wear out the measure marks on the glassware. I found out that
    putting the glass measuring cups in the dishwasher wore off the marks
    over time so I replaced them, washing the new ones only by hand. The

    No dishwasher here, but marks wear off anyway, I find showing the ingredient the cup works while I eyeball amounts. LOL

    Get a fine point paint pen and mark the outside. Don't know how well
    nail polish would work but a paint pen should do the trick.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Apr 14 08:16:44 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    At times I wish I had two ovens, not so much now but when the girls
    were still living at home. The oven I liked the most was in the post

    That's when Grandma used them both was when all the kids were home, bread
    and such. Even at the end one oven was for baked goods and the other was
    for the rest of the things.

    Any chance your unit will be remodeled any time soon? They may be
    waiting to do yours until you move out, before working on it; that
    seems to be the way things work.

    They re-model when you move out. We're on an old lease so we will never
    get it re-modelled as we will die in this apartment.

    Get a fine point paint pen and mark the outside. Don't know how well
    nail polish would work but a paint pen should do the trick.

    Andrea marked the one she uses. I don't wnat mine messed with. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 13 12:06:25 2024
    Hi Dave,


    If doing pot pies, the pie gets a diaper - usually a saucer, which is easily washable, instead of a paper towel.

    Makes more sense, you can invert the pot pie onto the plate after
    heating to make it easier to eat.

    My house-mate does that. I just use the flimsy pan it came in and a
    fork. Any debris stick to the pan is a doggy treat for Izz-a-bel or Jasper, Dennis' grand-dogs.

    Depending on time of day for the meal, if I'm eating by myself or in the
    living room (watching the news), I usually want a plate as it's easier
    to hold than a hot pie pan. Also, no dogs around to clean up the
    remains.


    Then we get to making "baked" potatoes in the microwave. Bv)=

    Remember to pierce them with a fork or knife several times; it'll help control the explosions.

    Oh, I do. If I'm feeling "sporty" I'll pierce the tater on one end,
    then on the opposite size on the other end. Sometimes it causes the
    potato to spi like a top from the escaping steam.

    Fun, if you've got the time to watch it. I'm usually doing something
    else for the meal at the same time.


    This doesn't require a diaper nor a cover. Just a sweet tooth
    and/or DD> an appetite.

    Title: Chile-Chocolate Microwave Mug Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Snacks, Chocolate, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Serving

    Looks good and easy enough to mix up and "bake" while working on the
    rest of the meal.

    It's one of the very few complex things I cook in the microwave. I
    don't count "steam in bag" veggies or similar as cooking, just hotting
    up.

    I think ours gets used mostly for rewarming tho I know Steve likes to do "baked" apples from time to time.


    Place potato on microwave-safe plate and microwave 7
    minutes, turning over halfway through cooking. If your
    potato isn't fork-tender after 7 minutes, continue
    microwaving in 1 minute increments until fully cooked.

    A paper towel works just as well, especially if you use the plain white
    ones.


    ---
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 13 12:12:32 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I've an oven thermometer (dial) that also works in the freezer - in

    I've got a separate one in the freezer, have had problems with the milirary housing issued ones over the years also. Some were replaced
    with brand new, others just swapped out with one from a empty housing unit.

    I do have a pair of "stick" thermometers, one in the upright freezer
    and the other in the freezer compartment of the ice box. But the dial
    is much easier to read in a glance. Bv)=

    Ours are dial also, as yousay, easy to read.

    settings on whichever oven I am using. My current smooth top has
    digital settings for the oven which are amazingly accurate. If
    it's a

    That's what mine has also.

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that
    others than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    Except for those that are literalists. (G)

    Or not used to the terms. When I'm inputting recipes I *always* change "cub ed" to "diced" if referring to vegetable prep. Cubed, to me is an operation to tenderise a tough piece of meat.

    But it's also a legitimate term for larger than diced pieces.


    I also swap "chilli spice mix" for "chili powder" where it's obvious
    that they're not talking about powdered chilies. And I disambiguate
    that from "chili powder" to ground chile (chilies).

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the
    twig is bent ....

    Yes, same as my favorite bbq is eastern NC pork. (G)

    I don't know if I've posted my version of N.C. sauce - which I make following an article in Chile Pepper Magazine. (see below)


    Title: North Carolina BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Bbq, Sauces, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Batch

    That's more of a Lexington or western NC BBQ sauce. Lexington style is
    a hybrid of eastern which is basically vinegar and spices, western
    which is a tomato sauce based with spices. Lexington is thinner than western NC, somewhat thicker than eastern. My favorite is eastern NC
    but Lexington is pretty good as a 2nd choice.

    Here's one I have yet to try .....


    Title: Big Bob Gibson's Alabama White BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Sauces, Chilies, Citrus, Bbq
    Yield: 2 quarts

    I think I'll take a pass on this one for pork.


    ---
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 13 12:15:54 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I find that every "store bought" lasagna I have tries is sorely under flavoured. Even some of the restaurant versions. And sadly, the best

    Of the various ones we've tried, we like Micheal Angelo's the best, Stouffers the least.

    Agreed. Stouffer's has some decent frozen entrees - but lasagna ain't
    one of them. I get along just fine with their spaghetti w/meat sauce
    as long as the Parmesan shaker isn't empty. And the Chicke fettucine Alfredo with broccoli is pretty good.

    We've not tried any of their other products as I make my own versions.
    But some years ago, we were up at my parent's house, with my 2 brothers.
    They (brothers) were talking about how good Stouffer's is; Steve and I
    sat there inwardly cringing at their lack of taste. But, considering
    both of them were single, it's not really a surprise. Younger brother
    could cook some, older brother did well to heat water.

    I had a favourite stop in Detroit Michhigan back in my truck driving
    days. It was on Michigan Avenue near Briggs (basebasll) Stadium -
    called the
    "Starlite Cafe" the front door was lettered "Little Warsaw" although
    it was run by Ukranians. As with Bianco's I'd ask "what's Mom (the
    owner's mother) making tonight?" and generally order that.

    Sounds like it would be a good choice.


    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)

    That will fit in a tagline only by leaving Ms. Deen out of it. Bv)=

    OK, "coat with butter, bacon wrap, batter dip & fry". Paula Deen

    I surrender ............

    Don't forget, I'm a newspaper editor's daughter. (G)

    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hum of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home office space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher, counter
    seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more), etc. And lots
    or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted U$50,000.

    And maid service to keep it clean?

    ---
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 13 12:22:13 2024
    Hi Dave,

    I presume you'll give a report when you do. Bojangles is a southern
    chain, IIRC, based here in NC.

    According to the Bing search engine there are 4 in Illinois. The
    nearest is 60 miles north of me in Normal, IL. Long way to go for fats food.

    But if you're ever in the area.............


    Title: Church's Fried Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Herbs
    Yield: 4 Servings

    The one we stopped at in AZ didn't offer the jalapeno pepper with the meal. It was closed for eat in (drive thru was open) but they let us inside since we couldn't do the drive in while towing the camper.

    The nearest one to me is over 70 miles northwest in Peoria. And in a
    VERY dodgy neighbourhood. I was never tempted to stop there when I was delivering to the AutoZone right down the street.

    Sounds like a good area to avoid.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Apr 14 15:42:56 2024
    Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 13 2024 12:12 pm


    Agreed on cubed vs diced. Dave, diced is a thin cut. Cubed isn't. Dave, when I add cubed pork loin to a stirfry, it's a 1inch think pork loin cut lengthwise tp 1 inch strips then cross-cut to 1 inch cubes. It's not 'diced' which would be scraplits.

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Apr 14 05:03:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    At times I wish I had two ovens, not so much now but when the girls
    were still living at home. The oven I liked the most was in the post housing on Fort Hood--it was built into the wall. Stove top was a
    counter top model, IIRC, gas. Our older daughter's kitchen has a
    stacking built into the wall microwave on top, oven on bottom unit and
    a counter top almost professional gas cook top. The oven doesn't seem
    to be as big, maybe because putting the microwave on top limits its
    size.

    I had a double wall oven (electric) when I lived in the tin can. My top
    oven was abot 2/3 the size of the bottom unit. When I did Thanksgiving
    dinner dishes for a family get together I did the turkey in the bottom
    and pies in the top. Side dishes, salads, and starters were provided by
    others.

    When I do my dream kitchen I think I'll go for the convection/nuker as
    the top unit.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Two-Crust Pie Pastry
    Categories: Five, Pastry
    Yield: 1 double-crust pastry

    2 c A-P flour
    1 ts Table salt
    2/3 c Lard *
    5 tb Ice water; as needed

    * Butter or Crisco will work if you must.

    Whisk flour and salt together in a large bowl. Cut in
    lard with a knife or pastry blender until the mixture
    resembles coarse crumbs.

    Sprinkle in water, 1 tablespoon at a time, blending
    gently with a fork or pastry blender until all flour is
    moistened and dough almost cleans the sides of the bowl.

    Divide the dough in half and shape flattened rounds.
    Wrap in plastic and refrigerate for at least 1 hour
    before rolling out.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.allrecipes.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 15 05:37:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    If doing pot pies, the pie gets a diaper - usually a saucer, which is easily washable, instead of a paper towel.

    Makes more sense, you can invert the pot pie onto the plate after
    heating to make it easier to eat.

    My house-mate does that. I just use the flimsy pan it came in and a
    fork. Any debris stick to the pan is a doggy treat for Izz-a-bel or Jasper, Dennis' grand-dogs.

    Depending on time of day for the meal, if I'm eating by myself or in
    the living room (watching the news), I usually want a plate as it's
    easier to hold than a hot pie pan. Also, no dogs around to clean up
    the remains.

    I am almost always eating by myself as Dennis' and my mealtimes seldom coincide. I don't watch the glass teat unless there is a Formula One
    race on oneof the broadcast channels. Usually I'm in front of the desk
    holding my confuser set-up, banging in recipes, doing r-mail or reading
    news feeds and looking up arcane or ambiguous references on my Bing
    search engine.

    So I've usually let five or more minutes elapse between the ending chime
    for the cookig cycle and the opening of the door. The plate is usually
    too hot to handle comfortably but the pot pie may be easily picked up
    by spanning the top to use the rim. I carry it yo my confuser desk and
    chow down as I pursue wharever I'm working on.

    Then we get to making "baked" potatoes in the microwave. Bv)=

    Remember to pierce them with a fork or knife several times; it'll help control the explosions.

    Oh, I do. If I'm feeling "sporty" I'll pierce the tater on one end,
    then on the opposite size on the other end. Sometimes it causes the
    potato to spi like a top from the escaping steam.

    Fun, if you've got the time to watch it. I'm usually doing something
    else for the meal at the same time.

    I don't do it often. And sometimes I'll make "regular" potatoes, like
    for potato salad by poeeling and dicing the spuds and putting them in
    a shallow bowl w/water and covering the bowl with a plate or saucer to
    steam the potatoes in the nuker.

    This doesn't require a diaper nor a cover. Just a sweet tooth
    and/or DD> an appetite.

    Title: Chile-Chocolate Microwave Mug Cake
    Categories: Cakes, Snacks, Chocolate, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Serving

    Looks good and easy enough to mix up and "bake" while working on the
    rest of the meal.

    It's one of the very few complex things I cook in the microwave. I
    don't count "steam in bag" veggies or similar as cooking, just hotting
    up.

    I think ours gets used mostly for rewarming tho I know Steve likes to
    do "baked" apples from time to time.

    I've never done baled apples except in a pie or cake. O prefer to "tooth"
    of a fresh Cosmic Crisp or Pink Lady to the soft mushiness of baked.

    Place potato on microwave-safe plate and microwave 7
    minutes, turning over halfway through cooking. If your
    potato isn't fork-tender after 7 minutes, continue
    microwaving in 1 minute increments until fully cooked.

    A paper towel works just as well, especially if you use the plain white ones.

    Or, for that matter, since it's just a washed, clean potato - the tray
    without a diaper. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Microwave Mashed Potatoes
    Categories: Five, Potatoes, Dairy
    Yield: 5 servings

    6 md Potatoes; peeled, diced
    1/2 c (to 3/4 c) milk or Half &
    - Half
    1/4 c Butter; to taste
    Salt & pepper

    Rinse peeled and diced potatoes.

    Arrange potatoes in medium glass bowl.

    Cover with plastic wrap and pierce the wrap in the
    center to allow steam to escape.

    Cook at HIGH for 9 to 10 1/2 minutes; stir once. You
    can set your kitchen timer for a reminder to stir.
    Potatoes should be tender.

    Let stand, covered, for 5 minutes.

    During this 5 minute standing time, combine milk,
    butter, salt and pepper in a large glass bowl or 8 cup
    glass Pyrex measuring cup.

    Cook milk mixture at MEDIUM for 2 to 3 minutes or
    until hot.

    Drain potatoes.

    Add potatoes to the hot milk mixture; mash until
    smooth.

    UDD NOTES: Any potatoes work but Yukon Golds work
    best. I use a potato ricer I inherited from my
    Grandmother. Once you've "riced" your potatoes you
    will push your masher far to the back of your kitchen
    tools drawer.

    For a taste treat add cloves of peeled garlic to the
    potatoes while cooking. Or add garlic granules/powder
    to the milk mixture.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.food.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 15 05:51:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    It's a nice addition and a recognition that the editors know that
    others than their "own" will be reading and (hopefully) making the recipes.

    Except for those that are literalists. (G)

    Or not used to the terms. When I'm inputting recipes I *always* change "cubed" to "diced" if referring to vegetable prep. Cubed, to me is an operation to tenderise a tough piece of meat.

    But it's also a legitimate term for larger than diced pieces.

    Not im my house. Either large dice or chunks. Cubed, io my mind still
    refers to smacking with a meat mallet or mechanical tenderising.

    I also swap "chilli spice mix" for "chili powder" where it's obvious
    that they're not talking about powdered chilies. And I disambiguate
    that from "chili powder" to ground chile (chilies).

    I said "prefer" not reject the other. Bv)= When I do the red gravy moussaka I keep thinking "Who put potatoes in the lasagna?" Also, the first experience I had with moussaka was the white version. As the
    twig is bent ....

    Yes, same as my favorite bbq is eastern NC pork. (G)

    I don't know if I've posted my version of N.C. sauce - which I make following an article in Chile Pepper Magazine. (see below)

    Title: North Carolina BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Bbq, Sauces, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Batch

    That's more of a Lexington or western NC BBQ sauce. Lexington style is
    a hybrid of eastern which is basically vinegar and spices, western
    which is a tomato sauce based with spices. Lexington is thinner than western NC, somewhat thicker than eastern. My favorite is eastern NC
    but Lexington is pretty good as a 2nd choice.

    Here's one I have yet to try .....


    Title: Big Bob Gibson's Alabama White BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Sauces, Chilies, Citrus, Bbq
    Yield: 2 quarts

    I think I'll take a pass on this one for pork.

    I'd try it at least once. But approach it with caution.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Smothered Cube Steaks
    Categories: Cajun, Beef, Herbs, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    2 tb Butter
    2 tb A-PFlour
    1 1/2 c Rich beef broth
    pn Sage leaves; crumbled
    6 (6 oz or more ea) thick
    - pieces round steak; cubed
    1 c Flour for dredging
    Salt & pepper
    1/2 c Lard
    3 lg Onions; peeled, sliced
    3 cl Garlic; minced
    1/4 c Celery; minced

    No matter where they're served, smothered meat dishes are
    extremely popular (and remarkably similar) throughout the
    South: meat heaped high with sauteed onions and a spicy
    brown gravy. This Mississippi/Louisiana recipe borrows
    several New Orleans Creole techniques.

    In a small saucepan melt butter over medium-high heat,
    stir in the 2 tb flour, and cook, stirring constantly
    with a wire whisk, until lightly browned. Stir in
    broth and sage, mix well, remove from heat, and set
    aside. This mixture will be the sauce.

    Add salt and pepper to the 1 cup flour; dredge chops in
    the mixture. In a large, heavy skillet heat 1/4 cup of the
    lard over medium-high heat. Add steaks and cook until they
    are browned. Move browned chops to a large, oven-proof
    casserole with a cover.

    Set oven @ 350oF/175oC.

    Melt the remaining lard in skillet over high heat. Add
    onions, garlic, and celery; lower heat to medium, and
    cook, stirring frequently to avoid burning, until onions
    are golden (about 8 to 10 minutes). Remove vegetables with
    a slotted spoon and place over steaks in the casserole.

    Pour off all lard from the skillet. Add reserved sauce,
    raise heat to high, bring to a boil, and cook for 1 minute,
    stirring vigorously and scraping the bottom of the skillet.
    Pour sauce over chops in casserole, cover, and bake for 30
    minutes. Serve with mashed potatoes.

    Serves 6.

    From "Regional American Classics", California Culinary
    Academy, Chevron Chemical Company, 1987.

    Posted by Stephen Ceideberg; November 3 1992.

    Modified by Dave Drum for beef steaks

    From: http://www.recipesource.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 15 06:15:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I find that every "store bought" lasagna I have tries is sorely under flavoured. Even some of the restaurant versions. And sadly, the best

    Of the various ones we've tried, we like Micheal Angelo's the best, Stouffers the least.

    Agreed. Stouffer's has some decent frozen entrees - but lasagna ain't
    one of them. I get along just fine with their spaghetti w/meat sauce
    as long as the Parmesan shaker isn't empty. And the Chicke fettucine Alfredo with broccoli is pretty good.

    We've not tried any of their other products as I make my own versions.
    But some years ago, we were up at my parent's house, with my 2
    brothers. They (brothers) were talking about how good Stouffer's is;
    Steve and I sat there inwardly cringing at their lack of taste. But, considering both of them were single, it's not really a surprise.
    Younger brother could cook some, older brother did well to heat water.

    As a single guy, cooking for one, the frozen dinners/entrees are a great convenience. And handy when I'm busy trying to finish up all my "round
    tuits" before my black camel kneels. Bv)=

    I am somewhat a connoisseur of frozen single serves. The most reliably, overall, is Healty Choice steamers. Never hit a clinker yet. The bottom
    of the garbage pail is Michelena's - never tasted a good one. Stouffer's,
    as I said, has some good stuff. As does Marie Callendar's - but the price
    makes me wince. Bv)=

    I had a favourite stop in Detroit Michhigan back in my truck driving
    days. It was on Michigan Avenue near Briggs (basebasll) Stadium -
    called the
    "Starlite Cafe" the front door was lettered "Little Warsaw" although
    it was run by Ukranians. As with Bianco's I'd ask "what's Mom (the
    owner's mother) making tonight?" and generally order that.

    Sounds like it would be a good choice.

    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)

    That will fit in a tagline only by leaving Ms. Deen out of it. Bv)=

    OK, "coat with butter, bacon wrap, batter dip & fry". Paula Deen

    I surrender ............

    Don't forget, I'm a newspaper editor's daughter. (G)

    And I'm an old newspaper reporter/editor/publisher/columnist/etc. Throw
    in ad salesman/graphic artist/printer and janitor. Everything but photo
    taker including circulation manager. Ahhhh, the good ol' (if not very profitable) days.

    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hum of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home office space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher, counter
    seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more), etc. And lots
    or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted U$50,000.

    And maid service to keep it clean?

    If I hit the lottery, why not? There's this cleaning service called
    "Military Sherry's" ........

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Navy Bean Soup
    Categories: Soups, Beans, Pork, Vegetables
    Yield: 6 Servings

    2 c Dried navy beans
    1 lb Ham hocks
    1 c Chopped onion
    3/4 c Chopped celery
    3/4 c Sliced or diced carrot
    14 1/2 oz Can diced tomatoes;undrained
    +=OR=+
    8 oz Can tomato sauce
    1 ts Salt
    Pepper
    4 c Water

    Put soaked beans in a large saucepot; add 4 cups water
    and remaining ingredients except salt. Cover and cook
    1 1/2 to 2 hours, until beans are tender. Add the salt
    (to taste) 15 minutes before removing the pot from the
    heat source.

    Take the soup off the stove and fish the hocks out.
    Strip everything from the bones and give the bones to
    your dog/cat. Return the flesh to the bean pot.

    If a thicker soup is desired, mash a few of the beans
    against the side of the pot until the desired viscosity
    is reached.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Apr 15 06:29:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Agreed on cubed vs diced. Dave, diced is a thin cut. Cubed isn't.
    Dave, when I add cubed pork loin to a stirfry, it's a 1inch think pork loin cut lengthwise tp 1 inch strips then cross-cut to 1 inch cubes.
    It's not 'diced' which would be scraplits.

    Dice come in *all* sized. "Cubes" are different than "cubed". Cubed is
    *always and forever* a term for machanically tenderised tough cuts of
    meat.

    Diced pieces may vary from 1/4" chunks (which would be a fine chop) to
    1" large chunks (which would be a rough chop)

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Cube Steak Cacciatore
    Categories: Five, Beef, Mushrooms
    Yield: 2 Servings

    12 oz Cubed beef steaks
    4 oz Can mushroom stems & pieces;
    - undrained
    29 oz (2 cans) stewed tomatoes;
    - undrained
    Salt & pepper

    Brown meat lightly. Add mushrooms, simmer 10 minutes. Add
    tomatoes. Simmer 20 minutes. Season to taste.

    Serve over rice.

    From: http://www.cooks.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Sun Apr 14 20:25:10 2024
    Hi Shaun,

    At times I wish I had two ovens, not so much now but when the girls
    were still living at home. The oven I liked the most was in the post

    That's when Grandma used them both was when all the kids were home,
    bread and such. Even at the end one oven was for baked goods and the other was for the rest of the things.

    So for her, having two ovens was a good option. My mom never was a fancy
    cook so her oven was used for "ordinary" baking........I think the
    fanciest thing that went in it was the one time one of my sisters tried
    making popovers. They didn't pop over for some reason and I don't think
    either my sister or mom ever tried any fancy baking after that.


    Any chance your unit will be remodeled any time soon? They may be
    waiting to do yours until you move out, before working on it; that
    seems to be the way things work.

    They re-model when you move out. We're on an old lease so we will
    never get it re-modelled as we will die in this apartment.

    Sigh! I can understand their point tho. But, what if your stove dies
    before you do; will they replace it with a smooth top then?


    Get a fine point paint pen and mark the outside. Don't know how well
    nail polish would work but a paint pen should do the trick.

    Andrea marked the one she uses. I don't wnat mine messed with. LOL

    Helps tell them apart. (G) Still, I would like to have at least basic
    markings on the cup so I know how accurate my measures are.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DAVE DRUM on Mon Apr 15 10:30:00 2024
    I am almost always eating by myself as Dennis' and my mealtimes seldom coincide. I don't watch the glass teat unless there is a Formula One
    race on oneof the broadcast channels.

    I tune into F1 sometimes but I usually don't miss an IndyCar event.

    OT: the F1 usenet newsgroup is available here.

    Mike


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 15 13:58:26 2024
    Re: Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Apr 15 2024 06:29 am


    Sorry Dave but a cubed potato has no relation to tenderizing meat. Maybe your area is just odd on that?

    xxcarol

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to RUTH HAFFLY on Tue Apr 16 06:17:00 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    So for her, having two ovens was a good option. My mom never was a
    fancy cook so her oven was used for "ordinary" baking........I think

    Yes, she lived in the kitchen.

    Sigh! I can understand their point tho. But, what if your stove dies before you do; will they replace it with a smooth top then?

    The last time it died, they replaced it with something they had laying
    in the storage room. I suspect it would be the same again, same with
    the fridge just whatever old junk they have in storage.

    Andrea marked the one she uses. I don't wnat mine messed with. LOL
    Helps tell them apart. (G) Still, I would like to have at least basic markings on the cup so I know how accurate my measures are.

    I have some left so it's not tooooo hard to figure it out. But if I'm
    way off then I figure it's my own fault! ;)

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Apr 16 06:55:53 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Re: Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Mon Apr 15 2024 06:29 am

    Sorry Dave but a cubed potato has no relation to tenderizing meat.
    Maybe your area is just odd on that?

    It's a matter of the King's English and how it is used. But you proceed
    down your path and I'll remain on the high road. Bv)=

    "Dice means to cut foods into squares/cubes using a sharp kitchen knife.
    These pieces should be as even as possible, usually for appearance's
    sake. In some cuisines, especially Southeast Asian cuisine, exact sizes
    of the food pieces are important for even cooking. This term is part of
    "mise en place" which means to get all the food together and prepared
    before you start to cook." https://www.thespruceeats.com

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Zeno's Oven Fried Parmesan Garlic Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Breads, Vegetables, Herbs, Cheese
    Yield: 8 Servings

    8 Boned chicken breast halves
    1/2 c Butter
    2 cl Garlic; pressed
    1 c Fine dry breadcrumbs
    2/3 c Grated Parmesan cheese
    1/4 c Chopped parsley
    +=OR=+
    1 1/2 tb Dried parsley flakes
    1 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Ground black pepper

    Gather the ingredients.

    Set the oven @ 375ºF/190ºC. Line a large, rimmed baking
    sheet with foil or parchment paper.

    Combine the butter and garlic in a saucepan and heat
    over medium-low heat until the butter has melted and the
    mixture is simmering. Pour the butter mixture into a
    wide, shallow bowl.

    Combine the breadcrumbs, Parmesan cheese, chopped
    parsley, salt, and pepper.

    Dip chicken pieces in butter and then roll them in crumb
    mixture. Arrange the coated chicken breasts on the
    prepared baking sheet.

    Bake the chicken for about 25 to 35 minutes. Large
    chicken breasts might take longer.

    Enjoy your meal!

    TIPS: Chicken breasts can become dry when overcooked, so
    try to time them based on the size and thickness. Small
    chicken breasts or cutlets will take far less time than
    larger pieces. Large chicken breasts can take as long as
    45 to 50 minutes, while small or flattened pieces will
    be done in as little as 20 to 30 minutes. A reliable
    instant-read thermometer is a handy tool to have in your
    arsenal.

    Many people prefer the stronger flavor of flat-leaf
    parsley, but curly parsley is just fine. Add more or
    less, as desired.

    RECIPE VARIATIONS: For a crunchier coating, replace the
    fine dry breadcrumbs with panko crumbs.

    For a spicy coating, add 1 to 2 teaspoons of Cajun or
    Creole seasoning to the breadcrumb mixture. Reduce the
    salt to 1/2 teaspoon if the seasoning blend contains
    salt.

    For additional color, add 2 teaspoons of ground sweet
    paprika to the breadcrumb mixture. Or add smoked paprika
    for smoky flavor.

    Add extra herbs to the Parmesan and breadcrumb coating.
    Add about 1 tablespoon of finely chopped fresh chives or
    thyme. Or add about 1 teaspoon of dry Italian herb
    blend.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.thespruceeats.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Mike Powell on Tue Apr 16 06:58:48 2024
    Mike Powell wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    I am almost always eating by myself as Dennis' and my mealtimes seldom coincide. I don't watch the glass teat unless there is a Formula One
    race on oneof the broadcast channels.

    I tune into F1 sometimes but I usually don't miss an IndyCar event.

    I gave up on IndyCar when it became a silhouette series with little/no originalkity or innovation allowed. If those rules had been in place
    from the start the motors whould still be up front where GaWd and Henry
    Ford put them and men were men BUT smelled like horses. Bv)=

    OT: the F1 usenet newsgroup is available here.

    Or in my browser https://www.formula1.com/en/latest

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Indianapolis Potato Casserole
    Categories: Five, Casseroles, Potatoes, Cheese, Pork
    Yield: 16 Servings

    8 lg Baking potatoes; peeled,
    - diced in cubes
    1 c Mayonnaise
    8 oz Process cheese food; diced
    1 c Chopped onion
    8 oz Sliced bacon

    Set oven @ 350ºF/175ºC.

    Place potatoes into a pot and fill with enough water to
    cover. Bring to a boil and cook until easily pierced with
    a fork, about 12 minutes. Drain and pour into a 9" X 13"
    baking dish. Mix with mayonnaise, processed cheese and
    onion.

    While the potatoes are boiling, fry the bacon in a large
    skillet over medium heat until crisp. Drain and break in
    large pieces. Place on top of the potatoes.

    Bake for 1 hour until cheese is browned.

    From: http://allrecipes.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 15 11:49:11 2024
    Hi Dave,

    stacking built into the wall microwave on top, oven on bottom unit and
    a counter top almost professional gas cook top. The oven doesn't seem
    to be as big, maybe because putting the microwave on top limits its
    size.

    I had a double wall oven (electric) when I lived in the tin can. My
    top oven was abot 2/3 the size of the bottom unit. When I did
    Thanksgiving
    dinner dishes for a family get together I did the turkey in the bottom
    and pies in the top. Side dishes, salads, and starters were provided
    by others.

    We've been smoking a turkey the last few years we've been home for Thanksgiving. Last year we were up in NY with Steve's family, almost had
    fresh venison for dinner. As Steve and I were on the way to his sister's
    house in the early afternoon, a deer jumped out in front of the truck.
    Steve stood on the brakes, stopped about a foot short of hitting it.


    When I do my dream kitchen I think I'll go for the convection/nuker as
    the top unit.

    We had that in our first camper, worked ok but couldn't do anything big
    in it. New camper has a regular oven, can do a small turkey in it but
    it's not convection. Stove at home has a combo convection/regular oven,
    full size microwave above it.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 15 11:55:26 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Depending on time of day for the meal, if I'm eating by myself or in
    the living room (watching the news), I usually want a plate as it's
    easier to hold than a hot pie pan. Also, no dogs around to clean up
    the remains.

    I am almost always eating by myself as Dennis' and my mealtimes seldom coincide. I don't watch the glass teat unless there is a Formula One
    race on oneof the broadcast channels. Usually I'm in front of the desk holding my confuser set-up, banging in recipes, doing r-mail or
    reading news feeds and looking up arcane or ambiguous references on my Bing search engine.

    Steve eats at his computer desk sometimes. Since my net book sits in my
    lap, I can't put a plate or bowl there at the same time. I'll grab a
    tray to set the food on, on a side table if I need to use the computer
    during one of those meal times.


    So I've usually let five or more minutes elapse between the ending
    chime for the cookig cycle and the opening of the door. The plate is usually
    too hot to handle comfortably but the pot pie may be easily picked up
    by spanning the top to use the rim. I carry it yo my confuser desk and chow down as I pursue wharever I'm working on.


    Oh, I do. If I'm feeling "sporty" I'll pierce the tater on one end,
    then on the opposite size on the other end. Sometimes it causes the
    potato to spi like a top from the escaping steam.

    Fun, if you've got the time to watch it. I'm usually doing something
    else for the meal at the same time.

    I don't do it often. And sometimes I'll make "regular" potatoes, like
    for potato salad by poeeling and dicing the spuds and putting them in
    a shallow bowl w/water and covering the bowl with a plate or saucer to steam the potatoes in the nuker.

    I usually stove top cook the potatoes for salad, and yes, I also cut
    them up beforehand. Peeling is optional, depending on what kind of
    potatoes I'm using--russets get peeled but yukon gold and red don't.

    It's one of the very few complex things I cook in the microwave. I
    don't count "steam in bag" veggies or similar as cooking, just hotting
    up.

    I think ours gets used mostly for rewarming tho I know Steve likes to
    do "baked" apples from time to time.

    I've never done baled apples except in a pie or cake. O prefer to
    "tooth" of a fresh Cosmic Crisp or Pink Lady to the soft mushiness of baked.

    I'll go either way. We discovered Empires when we came back from Germany
    in 1992, still a favorite of ours. I also use a lot of Honeycrisps in
    different things, both raw and cooked.


    Place potato on microwave-safe plate and microwave 7

    A paper towel works just as well, especially if you use the plain white ones.

    Or, for that matter, since it's just a washed, clean potato - the tray without a diaper. Bv)=

    True.

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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 15 12:03:02 2024
    Hi Dave,


    Or not used to the terms. When I'm inputting recipes I *always* change "cubed" to "diced" if referring to vegetable prep. Cubed, to me is an operation to tenderise a tough piece of meat.

    But it's also a legitimate term for larger than diced pieces.

    Not im my house. Either large dice or chunks. Cubed, io my mind still refers to smacking with a meat mallet or mechanical tenderising.

    Just so long as we're on the same sheet of music if cooking together.


    Title: Big Bob Gibson's Alabama White BBQ Sauce
    Categories: Sauces, Chilies, Citrus, Bbq
    Yield: 2 quarts

    I think I'll take a pass on this one for pork.

    I'd try it at least once. But approach it with caution.

    I don't like the red bbq sauce and use very little of the eastern NC,
    might try a dab of the white as a taster.


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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 15 12:06:06 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Agreed. Stouffer's has some decent frozen entrees - but lasagna ain't
    one of them. I get along just fine with their spaghetti w/meat sauce
    as long as the Parmesan shaker isn't empty. And the Chicke fettucine Alfredo with broccoli is pretty good.

    We've not tried any of their other products as I make my own versions.
    But some years ago, we were up at my parent's house, with my 2
    brothers. They (brothers) were talking about how good Stouffer's is;
    Steve and I sat there inwardly cringing at their lack of taste. But, considering both of them were single, it's not really a surprise.
    Younger brother could cook some, older brother did well to heat water.

    As a single guy, cooking for one, the frozen dinners/entrees are a
    great convenience. And handy when I'm busy trying to finish up all my "round
    tuits" before my black camel kneels. Bv)=


    I can understand; I've not really had too much experience cooking for
    just one person.


    I am somewhat a connoisseur of frozen single serves. The most
    reliably, overall, is Healty Choice steamers. Never hit a clinker yet.
    The bottom of the garbage pail is Michelena's - never tasted a good
    one. Stouffer's, as I said, has some good stuff. As does Marie
    Callendar's - but the price makes me wince. Bv)=

    ... What would Paula Deen do? Wrap it in bacon, dip it in batter & deep-fry it!

    You forgot that it gets slathered with butter before being wrapped in bacon. (G)

    Wouldn't fit in the tagline. No matter the truth of it. Bv)=

    Slather it with butter, wrap in bacon, batter dip, then deep fry. (G)

    That will fit in a tagline only by leaving Ms. Deen out of it. Bv)=

    OK, "coat with butter, bacon wrap, batter dip & fry". Paula Deen

    I surrender ............

    Don't forget, I'm a newspaper editor's daughter. (G)

    And I'm an old newspaper reporter/editor/publisher/columnist/etc.
    Throw in ad salesman/graphic artist/printer and janitor. Everything
    but photo taker including circulation manager. Ahhhh, the good ol' (if
    not very
    profitable) days.

    Dad was editor, not owner so it wasn't profitable for us. He
    supplimented income by doing wedding, etc photos, mom did Local &
    Personal column for the paper until I was in 6th grade (youngest sibling
    in first grade), then she worked for the school. General aide for 2
    years, then moved into the library for about 20. I learned to cook as
    part of her getting a Master's degree.

    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hum of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home
    office DD> space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher,
    counter DD> seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more),
    etc. And lots DD> or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted
    U$50,000.

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Apr 17 05:17:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    We've been smoking a turkey the last few years we've been home for Thanksgiving. Last year we were up in NY with Steve's family, almost
    had fresh venison for dinner. As Steve and I were on the way to his sister's house in the early afternoon, a deer jumped out in front of
    the truck. Steve stood on the brakes, stopped about a foot short of hitting it.

    That "free" veison can get quite expensive if it's Bambi by Bumper. A
    local body shop here runs a billboard every couple of years with the
    message "If you got your deer by accident come see us for an estimate"

    When I do my dream kitchen I think I'll go for the convection/nuker as
    the top unit.

    We had that in our first camper, worked ok but couldn't do anything big
    in it. New camper has a regular oven, can do a small turkey in it but
    it's not convection. Stove at home has a combo convection/regular oven, full size microwave above it.

    It goes without saying the "big' oven would be fan forced as well as
    standard. I have a toaster oven for counter-top use that is also an air fryer/convection oven. It lives in the utility closet with the furnace
    and water heater until I clear enough of my (very) limited counter space
    to bring it out and use it.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Roadkilled Venison Roast
    Categories: Game, Pork, Vegetables, Mushrooms
    Yield: 6 servings

    3 lb Venison roast
    6 sl Bacon
    1 ts Salt
    1 1/4 ts Pepper
    1 qt Meat stock
    Garlic or garlic granules/
    - powder
    6 sm Carrots (not "baby")
    6 Mushrooms
    1 md Onion;
    1/2 c Celery; minced
    2/3 c Sherry
    +=OR=+
    1/3 c Cider vinegar
    +=AND=+
    1/3 c Water

    Fry slices bacon crisp in dutch oven. Remove bacon and
    leave grease in oven. Pierce roast and insert slivers of
    garlic in holes or coat roast with garlic powder, salt
    and pepper. Heat bacon grease and sear roast on all
    sides until very brown. Add medium diced onion, carrots,
    mushrooms and celery.

    Cook very slowly for about 3 hours (or until done). Or,
    transfer to a crockpot set on low. Blend vegetables to
    thicken sauce. Add Sherry or diluted vinegar.

    RECIPE FROM: http://deadfood.com/

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Apr 17 06:11:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Don't forget, I'm a newspaper editor's daughter. (G)

    And I'm an old newspaper reporter/editor/publisher/columnist/etc.
    Throw in ad salesman/graphic artist/printer and janitor. Everything
    but photo taker including circulation manager. Ahhhh, the good ol' (if
    not very profitable) days.

    Dad was editor, not owner so it wasn't profitable for us. He
    supplimented income by doing wedding, etc photos, mom did Local &
    Personal column for the paper until I was in 6th grade (youngest
    sibling in first grade), then she worked for the school. General aide
    for 2 years, then moved into the library for about 20. I learned to
    cook as part of her getting a Master's degree.

    I started by writing an outdoors column for a Sports paper based in Springfield - whilst living in California. When I moved back "home"
    I became a jack-of-all-trades for the little weekly paper. Then the owner/editor/pub;lisher had a heart problem and I was forced to learn
    the printing trade in order to keep the doors open. After that I had
    a college weekly, followed by a group of small town papers. And ran
    a "job shop" printnig operation at te same time.

    I was young and energetic. These days I'm north of 80 and getting tired.

    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hub of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home
    office DD> space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher,
    counter DD> seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more),
    etc. And lots DD> or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted
    U$50,000.

    The problem with a house that fancy is that the local gummint wants their "pound of flesh" every year at tax time. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Pound of Flesh
    Categories: Fruits, Cheese, Wine, Halloween
    Yield: 8 servings

    1 Seedless watermelon; sliced,
    - rinds removed
    1/3 c Cream sherry
    1/4 c Butter
    Salt & pepper
    1/2 c Balsamic vinegar
    3 tb Feta cheese; crumbled
    Mint leaves; chiffonade, as
    - garnish

    Line a rimmed cookie sheet or roasting pan with
    parchment paper.

    Cut off rind and then cut watermelon into 6-8
    rectangular slices. Place slices on a prepared cookie
    sheet or roasting pan and pour cream sherry over the
    watermelon steaks, top with small pats of butter, and
    sprinkle with salt and pepper. Place another sheet of
    parchment paper over watermelon and then cover the whole
    pan tightly with foil.

    Bake in a 350ºF/175ºC oven for 2 1/2 hours or until the
    edges begin to brown.

    Heat the balsamic vinegar in a small saucepan over
    medium heat until reduced by half. Set aside.

    Drizzle watermelon steaks with the balsamic reduction,
    crumbled feta cheese and mint and serve.

    RECIPE FROM: https://ghoulatheart.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Apr 17 06:20:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I am almost always eating by myself as Dennis' and my mealtimes seldom coincide. I don't watch the glass teat unless there is a Formula One
    race on oneof the broadcast channels. Usually I'm in front of the desk holding my confuser set-up, banging in recipes, doing r-mail or
    reading news feeds and looking up arcane or ambiguous references on my Bing search engine.

    Steve eats at his computer desk sometimes. Since my net book sits in my lap, I can't put a plate or bowl there at the same time. I'll grab a
    tray to set the food on, on a side table if I need to use the computer during one of those meal times.

    I have a TeeVee table, part of a set of four nice blond oak w/carrier
    (holder) that I scored from my local Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. If
    I'm doing Wendy's Biggie Bag (burger and fries) I might not use the side
    table. But if it's soup/chilli, or Popeyes, or a meal I have prepared
    I use the little table.

    So I've usually let five or more minutes elapse between the ending
    chime for the cooking cycle and the opening of the door. The plate
    is usually too hot to handle comfortably but the pot pie may be easily picked up by spanning the top to use the rim. I carry it to my
    confuser desk and chow down as I pursue wharever I'm working on.

    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    Oh, I do. If I'm feeling "sporty" I'll pierce the tater on one end,
    then on the opposite size on the other end. Sometimes it causes the
    potato to spi like a top from the escaping steam.

    Fun, if you've got the time to watch it. I'm usually doing something
    else for the meal at the same time.

    I don't do it often. And sometimes I'll make "regular" potatoes, like
    for potato salad by poeeling and dicing the spuds and putting them in
    a shallow bowl w/water and covering the bowl with a plate or saucer to steam the potatoes in the nuker.The Cosmic Drisp

    I usually stove top cook the potatoes for salad, and yes, I also cut
    them up beforehand. Peeling is optional, depending on what kind of potatoes I'm using--russets get peeled but yukon gold and red don't.

    I don't make 'tater salad often. Or macaroni/pasta salad.

    It's one of the very few complex things I cook in the microwave. I
    don't count "steam in bag" veggies or similar as cooking, just hotting
    up.

    I think ours gets used mostly for rewarming tho I know Steve likes to
    do "baked" apples from time to time.

    I've never done baled apples except in a pie or cake. I prefer the
    "tooth" of a fresh Cosmic Crisp or Pink Lady to the soft mushiness of baked.

    I'll go either way. We discovered Empires when we came back from
    Germany in 1992, still a favorite of ours. I also use a lot of
    Honeycrisps in different things, both raw and cooked.

    My current favourite is a variant of the Honeycrisp ... called Cosmic
    Crisp. So called, I suppose because it was developed from the Honey
    Crisp and because the peel's speckles reminded someone of a space
    telescope picture w/lots of stars.

    The Cosmic Crisp works well in this:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Pork & Apple Salad for Two
    Categories: Pork, Nuts, Citrus, Fruits
    Yield: 2 Servings

    1/2 c Slivered almonds, toasted
    2 c Diced, cooked pork
    1 Red-skinned apple; cored,
    - thin sliced
    2 ts Lemon juice
    1/2 c Seedless grapes; halved
    4 tb Mayonnaise
    1/2 ts Soy sauce
    1/2 ts Curry powder
    Crisp salad greens

    Spread almonds in a shallow pan and toast in 350ºF/175ºC
    oven for 8-10 min or until golden or toast in a non-stick
    pan on the stove.

    Combine meat and slivered almonds. Core and thinly slice
    apple - coat w/lemon juice to prevent browning. Add to
    meat-almond mixture. Stir in the grapes.

    Blend mayonnaise w/soy and curry, pour over salad, stir
    to mix/combine. Press into a bowl, cover and chill for
    15 min. Turn out on a bed of greens.

    Based on Ham & Turkey Salad in "Cooking for Two ... or
    Just for You"

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 16 13:08:02 2024
    Hi Dave,


    Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce, raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
    some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
    to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other

    I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We
    have a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems to
    be falling off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of really
    good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good Greek
    venue.

    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those
    that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.


    ---
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Tue Apr 16 13:15:12 2024
    Hi Shawn,

    So for her, having two ovens was a good option. My mom never was a
    fancy cook so her oven was used for "ordinary" baking........I think

    Yes, she lived in the kitchen.

    Don't see that these days, except maybe baking days for the Amish and
    other groups like that.


    Sigh! I can understand their point tho. But, what if your stove dies before you do; will they replace it with a smooth top then?

    The last time it died, they replaced it with something they had laying
    in the storage room. I suspect it would be the same again, same with
    the fridge just whatever old junk they have in storage.

    Sounds like military housing. We had mixed "luck" with our appliances.
    The fridge went out once while we were in AZ (but gone for the week end)
    so it was replaced by a side by side. Other appliances, other duty
    stations were usually from "stock on hand". We had a gas stove in Fort
    Devens (MA), when we packed out, the packers accidentally grabbed the instruction manual for it. Moved to Fort Huachuca (AZ) and when we got
    housing, the stove was identical to the one in MA.

    Andrea marked the one she uses. I don't wnat mine messed with. LOL
    Helps tell them apart. (G) Still, I would like to have at least
    basic RH> markings on the cup so I know how accurate my measures are.

    I have some left so it's not tooooo hard to figure it out. But if I'm
    way off then I figure it's my own fault! ;)

    As long as you have a few markings, you should be able to guess-timate
    fairly accurately. I have a back up one cup liquid cup that gets pulled
    out every once in a while when I need 2 liquid measures for the same
    recipe but can't do the rinse and reuse thing.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Apr 17 15:52:53 2024
    Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 16 2024 01:08 pm


    On Olive Garden, grin, it's my speed! Yes, I still can't cook Italian. I can get close but always the meal is a bit 'tweaked' someplace. If nothing else, the side will be.

    Ah well, my stir fry isn't Asian either, might be closer to Greek? Ah well. It's good and that's what matters.

    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by extending it out to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back. Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some good curtians.

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 18 06:09:10 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Yes, she lived in the kitchen.
    Don't see that these days, except maybe baking days for the Amish and other groups like that.

    No you sure don't. She was a product of her time that's for sure!

    Sounds like military housing. We had mixed "luck" with our appliances.

    These two have been here at least 8 years so we're used to the quirks in
    the oven. 350 is 380(ish) on the dial, etc.

    instruction manual for it. Moved to Fort Huachuca (AZ) and when we got housing, the stove was identical to the one in MA.

    That was handy!

    As long as you have a few markings, you should be able to guess-timate fairly accurately. I have a back up one cup liquid cup that gets
    pulled out every once in a while when I need 2 liquid measures for the same recipe but can't do the rinse and reuse thing.

    We have the backup ones as well but they are plastic and were a gift from someone, Andrea likes those.

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Apr 18 06:34:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce, raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
    some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
    to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other

    Nearly every cook puts a personal "spin" on a recipe. My good friend Joe DeFrates once told me "You can make my recipe but you can't make my chilli"

    When I asked him "Whassup with that?" He explained that everyone tastes
    and "adjusts" as they and wander off the straight and narrow.

    I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We
    have a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems to
    be falling off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of really
    good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good Greek
    venue.

    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    If they grew up with Italian food at all. Chef Boyardee notwithstanding.

    O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on the profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The Middle".

    I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best Italian
    food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to "My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

    That being said:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Olive Garden Chicken Gnocchi Soup
    Categories: Poultry, Pasta, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    4 tb Butter
    1 tb Extra virgin olive oil
    1 c Finely diced onion
    1/2 c Finely diced celery
    2 cl Garlic; minced
    1/4 c A-P flour
    1 qt Half & Half
    28 oz Chicken broth
    1/2 ts Dried thyme
    1/2 ts Dried parsley flakes
    1/4 ts Ground nutmeg; (opt)
    1 c Carrots; fine shredded
    1 c Spinach leaves; coarse
    - chopped
    1 c Chicken, cooked, diced
    +=OR=+
    1 c Rotissiere chicken;
    - shredded
    16 oz Bag ready-to-use gnocchi

    Melt the butter and olive oil in a large pot or a Dutch
    oven over medium heat.

    Add the chopped onion, celery, and garlic and cook,
    stirring occasionally until the onion becomes
    translucent.

    Whisk in the flour and cook for about 1 minute. Whisk in
    the Half & Half. Simmer until thickened.

    Whisk in the chicken broth. Simmer until thickened
    again. Stir in 1/2 teaspoon salt, thyme, parsley, nutmeg
    (if using), shredded carrots, spinach, chicken, and
    gnocchi.

    Simmer until the soup is heated through. Before serving,
    season with additional salt, if necessary.

    UDD NOTE: Next time I'll substitute rigani or oregano
    for the nutmeg. And find/make gnocchi alla Romana with
    semolina instead of potatoes.

    Author: Stephanie Manley

    RECIPE FROM: https://copykat.com

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    Title: Roman-Style Gnocchi
    Categories: Pasta, Cheese, Dairy
    Yield: 4 servings

    3 c Whole milk
    1 ts Kosher salt; to taste
    +=OR=+
    2/3 ts Table salt; to taste
    1 1/4 c Semolina flour
    1 c Freshly grated Parmigiano
    - Reggiano cheese (see note)
    2 lg Egg yolks
    3 tb Cold unsalted butter; in
    -small cubes
    3 tb Unsalted butter; melted
    pn Cayenne pepper; more to taste
    2 tb Fresh grated Parmigiano-
    - Reggiano cheese; or more to
    - cover

    Line a rimmed baking sheet pan with plastic wrap.

    Combine milk and salt in a saucepan over medium-high
    heat; bring to almost a simmer. As soon as bubbles start
    to break the surface, gradually whisk in semolina until
    mixture thickens, about 20 seconds. Reduce the heat to
    medium-low and continue stirring with a wooden spoon
    until very thick, 7 to 10 minutes.

    Remove from the heat. Add 1 cup Parmigiano-Reggiano
    cheese, egg yolks, and cold butter; stir quickly to
    prevent yolks from cooking.

    Transfer mixture to the prepared pan and spread out
    evenly. Cover with another piece of plastic wrap.
    Refrigerate until firm enough to cut, about 30 minutes.

    Set the oven @ 425oF/218oC. Grease a round, shallow
    baking dish.

    Cut out circles of semolina dough with a 2 3/4" diameter
    cookie cutter. Use damp hands to gather and flatten any
    dough scraps. Press scraps between plastic wrap and cut
    as many more circles as possible.

    Arrange gnocchi in a circular, overlapping pattern in
    the prepared baking dish. Drizzle melted butter over top
    and spread evenly with a brush. Sprinkle with cayenne
    pepper and cover with remaining Parmigiano-Reggiano
    cheese.

    Bake in the preheated oven until golden brown, about 25
    minutes.

    CHEF'S NOTES: I used a 2 3/4" cutter but use whatever
    size you have that's close.

    To get 1 cup grated Parmigiano-Reggiano, grate a
    1-3/4 oz piece on a Microplane grater.

    By John Mitzewich

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.allrecipes.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Apr 18 06:49:00 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    On Olive Garden, grin, it's my speed! Yes, I still can't cook Italian.
    I can get close but always the meal is a bit 'tweaked' someplace. If nothing else, the side will be.

    Nearly everyone "tweaks" to his/her taste. It's a universal truth. I
    learned about *real* Chinese (well, the Cantonese part) when I stumbled
    into House of Yee in Inglewood, CA. I started at the top of the menu
    and worked my way to the bottom, keeping mental notes. Bv)=

    Ah well, my stir fry isn't Asian either, might be closer to Greek? Ah well. It's good and that's what matters.

    It's a poor cook who can't suit him/herself. I've been known to tell
    diners in a private home (not always mine) who complain about what they
    were served "The door is over there. And Mickey D's is about six blocks
    in (whichever) direction."

    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by extending
    it out to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back. Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some good curtians.

    Mine (from scratch) would be modelled on something similar to the kitchen
    Janis had in Binghamton(?) when she hosted the echo picnic. IIRC you were
    there - but my memory, at 82, gets "convenient" sometimes and I misemember.

    This was my first attempt at D.I.Y. Chinese food.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Lobster Cantonese
    Categories: Oriental, Seafood, Shellfish, Rice
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 lb Lobster tails
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    1 ts Fermented black beans;
    - rinsed, drained
    2 tb Oil
    1/4 lb Ground pork
    1 1/2 c Hot water
    1 1/2 tb Soy sauce
    1 ts MSG (highly optional)
    2 tb Cornstarch
    3 tb Dry sherry
    1 Egg
    3 tb Water
    Cilantro sprigs
    Green onion curls
    Hot cooked rice

    For the best results in preparing this attractive
    Chinese dish cook the lobster pieces as quickly as
    possible. The beaten egg added to the sauce makes it
    richer and creamier.

    With sharp knife, pry lobster meat from shell and
    slice into medallions. Mince garlic and black beans
    together. Heat oil in wok or skillet and add garlic
    mixture. Cook and stir a few seconds. Add pork and
    cook about 10 minutes, stirring to break up meat.
    Add hot water, soy sauce and MSG.

    Add lobster medallions and cook 2 minutes. Mix corn
    starch and sherry and stir into sauce. Beat egg with
    3 tablespoons water and blend into sauce. Cook over
    low heat 30 seconds, stirring constantly.

    Sauce should be creamy but not heavy.

    Spoon sauce into center of platter.

    Arrange medallions in sauce in decorative pattern.
    Garnish with cilantro and green onion curls.

    For each serving, place a few lobster medallions
    over rice in bowl. Spoon sauce over lobster.

    Recipe from: http://www.recipesource.com

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to CAROL SHENKENBERGER on Thu Apr 18 08:49:00 2024
    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by extending it out
    to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back. Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some good curtians.

    Some of those corn-cob curtains like Marge Simpson has. :D

    Mike


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Apr 17 13:28:29 2024
    Hi Dave,

    We've been smoking a turkey the last few years we've been home for Thanksgiving. Last year we were up in NY with Steve's family, almost
    had fresh venison for dinner. As Steve and I were on the way to his sister's house in the early afternoon, a deer jumped out in front of
    the truck. Steve stood on the brakes, stopped about a foot short of hitting it.

    That "free" veison can get quite expensive if it's Bambi by Bumper. A local body shop here runs a billboard every couple of years with the message "If you got your deer by accident come see us for an estimate"

    That's why a lot of trucks in deer areas have bumper guards, to
    (hopefully) deflect the worst of the impact. Years ago, riding home from college on break, with a friend, as we turned onto one road, I cautioned
    him about the road being notorious for deer hits. I'd barely gotten the
    words out of my mouth when we saw one on the side of the road. He stayed
    there and we didn't see any more the rest of the trip. Now when Steve
    and I travel, especially around dusk and in an area with lots of open
    fields, I keep my eyes roving.

    When I do my dream kitchen I think I'll go for the convection/nuker
    as DD> the top unit.

    We had that in our first camper, worked ok but couldn't do anything big
    in it. New camper has a regular oven, can do a small turkey in it but
    it's not convection. Stove at home has a combo convection/regular oven, full size microwave above it.

    It goes without saying the "big' oven would be fan forced as well as standard. I have a toaster oven for counter-top use that is also an
    air fryer/convection oven. It lives in the utility closet with the
    furnace
    and water heater until I clear enough of my (very) limited counter
    space to bring it out and use it.

    OTOH our toaster/convection oven lives on a counter top right by the
    stove. It gets used quite often; yesterday I toasted half a bagel in the morning and baked some short cakes (to go with fresh strawberries) in
    the afternoon.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Apr 17 13:36:55 2024
    Hi Dave,

    And I'm an old newspaper reporter/editor/publisher/columnist/etc.
    Throw in ad salesman/graphic artist/printer and janitor. Everything
    but photo taker including circulation manager. Ahhhh, the good ol' (if
    not very profitable) days.

    Dad was editor, not owner so it wasn't profitable for us. He
    supplimented income by doing wedding, etc photos, mom did Local &
    Personal column for the paper until I was in 6th grade (youngest
    sibling in first grade), then she worked for the school. General aide
    for 2 years, then moved into the library for about 20. I learned to
    cook as part of her getting a Master's degree.

    I started by writing an outdoors column for a Sports paper based in Springfield - whilst living in California. When I moved back "home"
    I became a jack-of-all-trades for the little weekly paper. Then the owner/editor/pub;lisher had a heart problem and I was forced to learn
    the printing trade in order to keep the doors open. After that I had
    a college weekly, followed by a group of small town papers. And ran
    a "job shop" printnig operation at te same time.

    I never got into it that much but Dad did a lot for the paper, probably
    more than I ever knew. I've done some writing, not a lot in the past few
    years (except for Fido), published mostly in a (monthly) church
    newsletter, but had some published in the paper as well. In the back of
    my brain I think about getting back to it, but it hasn't happened yet.


    I was young and energetic. These days I'm north of 80 and getting
    tired.

    I'm not there yet but times I feel much older. Other times I feel I'm
    too young to be this old. (G)


    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hub of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home
    office DD> space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher,
    counter DD> seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more),
    etc. And lots DD> or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted
    U$50,000.

    The problem with a house that fancy is that the local gummint wants
    their "pound of flesh" every year at tax time. Bv)=

    Tell me about it! Wake County re-evaluates property every 4 years as
    compared to 8 years for the rest of the state. Our taxes more than
    doubled with the last re-evaluation, done last year. According to them,
    the house/lot is worth more than twice what we paid for it in fall of
    2014 but we can't sell it for that much.

    Meanwhile, local strawberries are beginning to hit the market. Steve
    picked some up for me at the local farmer's market so we've had
    strawberry short cake and a riff on a salad we'd had last year in
    Fairbanks. Salad has candied pecans, craisins, bacon bits, feta cheese, strawberries, greens (I used fresh spinach) and a balsamic vinegarette dressing. We'll probably enjoy it a few more times before the end of
    fresh strawberry season. (G)


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Apr 17 13:50:05 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Steve eats at his computer desk sometimes. Since my net book sits in my lap, I can't put a plate or bowl there at the same time. I'll grab a
    tray to set the food on, on a side table if I need to use the computer during one of those meal times.

    I have a TeeVee table, part of a set of four nice blond oak w/carrier (holder) that I scored from my local Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. If
    I'm doing Wendy's Biggie Bag (burger and fries) I might not use the
    side table. But if it's soup/chilli, or Popeyes, or a meal I have
    prepared
    I use the little table.

    We've got a set of those with a walnut finish, picked up at a yard sale.

    Oh, I do. If I'm feeling "sporty" I'll pierce the tater on one end,
    then on the opposite size on the other end. Sometimes it causes the
    potato to spi like a top from the escaping steam.

    Fun, if you've got the time to watch it. I'm usually doing something
    else for the meal at the same time.

    I don't do it often. And sometimes I'll make "regular" potatoes, like
    for potato salad by poeeling and dicing the spuds and putting them in
    a shallow bowl w/water and covering the bowl with a plate or saucer to steam the potatoes in the nuker.The Cosmic Drisp

    I usually stove top cook the potatoes for salad, and yes, I also cut
    them up beforehand. Peeling is optional, depending on what kind of potatoes I'm using--russets get peeled but yukon gold and red don't.

    I don't make 'tater salad often. Or macaroni/pasta salad.

    I do a Pennsylvania Dutch one at least once during the summer, a hot
    German potato salad a bit more often. My mom's version of potato salad
    was just potatoes, hard boiled egg and mayo (with a splash of vinegar
    and celery seed) dressing. I've also done a cold potato salad by cooking
    the potaotes, draing them , then adding Italian dressing and letting
    them sit in that for an hour or so. By then they've absorbed most of the dressing; what they haven't, I'll drain. Then I'll add chopped hard
    boiled (steamed) eggs and a mayo/mustard dressing. Yummy!


    I think ours gets used mostly for rewarming tho I know Steve likes to
    do "baked" apples from time to time.

    I've never done baled apples except in a pie or cake. I prefer the
    "tooth" of a fresh Cosmic Crisp or Pink Lady to the soft mushiness of baked.

    I'll go either way. We discovered Empires when we came back from
    Germany in 1992, still a favorite of ours. I also use a lot of
    Honeycrisps in different things, both raw and cooked.

    My current favourite is a variant of the Honeycrisp ... called Cosmic Crisp. So called, I suppose because it was developed from the Honey
    Crisp and because the peel's speckles reminded someone of a space telescope picture w/lots of stars.

    I've seen them, not tried them but maybe next fall.....

    The Cosmic Crisp works well in this:

    Title: Pork & Apple Salad for Two
    Categories: Pork, Nuts, Citrus, Fruits
    Yield: 2 Servings

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, looks good and now that Steve is back eating pork...............

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 18 16:03:55 2024
    Re: Ethnics ws: Cookware (par
    By: Dave Drum to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Apr 18 2024 06:49 am

    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    On Olive Garden, grin, it's my speed! Yes, I still can't cook Italian.
    I can get close but always the meal is a bit 'tweaked' someplace. If nothing else, the side will be.

    Nearly everyone "tweaks" to his/her taste. It's a universal truth. I
    learned about *real* Chinese (well, the Cantonese part) when I stumbled
    into House of Yee in Inglewood, CA. I started at the top of the menu
    and worked my way to the bottom, keeping mental notes. Bv)=

    Ah well, my stir fry isn't Asian either, might be closer to Greek? Ah well. It's good and that's what matters.

    It's a poor cook who can't suit him/herself. I've been known to tell
    diners in a private home (not always mine) who complain about what they
    were served "The door is over there. And Mickey D's is about six blocks
    in (whichever) direction."

    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by extending it out to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back. Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some good curtians.

    Mine (from scratch) would be modelled on something similar to the kitchen Janis had in Binghamton(?) when she hosted the echo picnic. IIRC you were there - but my memory, at 82, gets "convenient" sometimes and I misemember.

    This was my first attempt at D.I.Y. Chinese food.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Lobster Cantonese
    Categories: Oriental, Seafood, Shellfish, Rice
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 lb Lobster tails
    1 cl Garlic; minced
    1 ts Fermented black beans;
    - rinsed, drained
    2 tb Oil
    1/4 lb Ground pork
    1 1/2 c Hot water
    1 1/2 tb Soy sauce
    1 ts MSG (highly optional)
    2 tb Cornstarch
    3 tb Dry sherry
    1 Egg
    3 tb Water
    Cilantro sprigs
    Green onion curls
    Hot cooked rice

    For the best results in preparing this attractive
    Chinese dish cook the lobster pieces as quickly as
    possible. The beaten egg added to the sauce makes it
    richer and creamier.

    With sharp knife, pry lobster meat from shell and
    slice into medallions. Mince garlic and black beans
    together. Heat oil in wok or skillet and add garlic
    mixture. Cook and stir a few seconds. Add pork and
    cook about 10 minutes, stirring to break up meat.
    Add hot water, soy sauce and MSG.

    Add lobster medallions and cook 2 minutes. Mix corn
    starch and sherry and stir into sauce. Beat egg with
    3 tablespoons water and blend into sauce. Cook over
    low heat 30 seconds, stirring constantly.

    Sauce should be creamy but not heavy.

    Spoon sauce into center of platter.

    Arrange medallions in sauce in decorative pattern.
    Garnish with cilantro and green onion curls.

    For each serving, place a few lobster medallions
    over rice in bowl. Spoon sauce over lobster.

    Recipe from: http://www.recipesource.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

    ... It takes seven years for a deer to grow up into a moose.

    Yup! I tweak a lot. My stir frys show it a lot. Rarely the same ever. Tonight's features Shishedo peppers (mild). Oyster and shemenji mushrooms and leftover rice with fake lobster and carrot peels plus garlic. Based on a mix of butter with a little cornstach and chiken broth made to a slurry of sauce.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Mike Powell on Thu Apr 18 16:05:44 2024
    Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Mike Powell to CAROL SHENKENBERGER on Thu Apr 18 2024 08:49 am

    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by extending it
    out
    to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back. Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some good curtians.

    Some of those corn-cob curtains like Marge Simpson has. :D

    Mike


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    Naw but one with small blue flowers with green leaves would be happy making here for the kitchen!
    xxcarol
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 19 06:23:06 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Hi Dave,

    We've been smoking a turkey the last few years we've been home for Thanksgiving. Last year we were up in NY with Steve's family, almost
    had fresh venison for dinner. As Steve and I were on the way to his sister's house in the early afternoon, a deer jumped out in front of
    the truck. Steve stood on the brakes, stopped about a foot short of hitting it.

    That "free" veison can get quite expensive if it's Bambi by Bumper. A local body shop here runs a billboard every couple of years with the message "If you got your deer by accident come see us for an estimate"

    That's why a lot of trucks in deer areas have bumper guards, to (hopefully) deflect the worst of the impact. Years ago, riding home
    from college on break, with a friend, as we turned onto one road, I cautioned him about the road being notorious for deer hits. I'd barely gotten the words out of my mouth when we saw one on the side of the
    road. He stayed there and we didn't see any more the rest of the trip.
    Now when Steve and I travel, especially around dusk and in an area with lots of open fields, I keep my eyes roving.

    When I do my dream kitchen I think I'll go for the convection/nuker
    as DD> the top unit.

    We had that in our first camper, worked ok but couldn't do anything big
    in it. New camper has a regular oven, can do a small turkey in it but
    it's not convection. Stove at home has a combo convection/regular oven, full size microwave above it.

    It goes without saying the "big' oven would be fan forced as well as standard. I have a toaster oven for counter-top use that is also an
    air fryer/convection oven. It lives in the utility closet with the
    furnace
    and water heater until I clear enough of my (very) limited counter
    space to bring it out and use it.

    OTOH our toaster/convection oven lives on a counter top right by the stove. It gets used quite often; yesterday I toasted half a bagel in
    the morning and baked some short cakes (to go with fresh strawberries)
    in the afternoon.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 19 06:53:22 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I started by writing an outdoors column for a Sports paper based in Springfield - whilst living in California. When I moved back "home"
    I became a jack-of-all-trades for the little weekly paper. Then the owner/editor/pub;lisher had a heart problem and I was forced to learn
    the printing trade in order to keep the doors open. After that I had
    a college weekly, followed by a group of small town papers. And ran
    a "job shop" printnig operation at te same time.

    I never got into it that much but Dad did a lot for the paper, probably more than I ever knew. I've done some writing, not a lot in the past
    few years (except for Fido), published mostly in a (monthly) church newsletter, but had some published in the paper as well. In the back of
    my brain I think about getting back to it, but it hasn't happened yet.

    I've got a lot of "round tuits" many of which may never be gotten around
    to. But I do get a sense of satisfaction when I mark one off the list.

    I was young and energetic. These days I'm north of 80 and getting
    tired.

    I'm not there yet but times I feel much older. Other times I feel I'm
    too young to be this old. (G)

    I know the word to that song. Time has been kind to my physical shell
    and many people are amazed when they lear that I'm the age I am. "You
    sure don't look that old." To which my standard comeback is "Try looking through my eyes" Bv)=

    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hub of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home
    office DD> space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher,
    counter DD> seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more),
    etc. And lots DD> or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted
    U$50,000.

    The problem with a house that fancy is that the local gummint wants
    their "pound of flesh" every year at tax time. Bv)=

    Tell me about it! Wake County re-evaluates property every 4 years as compared to 8 years for the rest of the state. Our taxes more than
    doubled with the last re-evaluation, done last year. According to them, the house/lot is worth more than twice what we paid for it in fall of
    2014 but we can't sell it for that much.

    Illiois has a "Homestead Act" for residential property that is occupied
    by its owner or owners as his or their principal dwelling place. Plus
    the "Low-Income Senior Freeze" provides limited-income seniors with
    protection against real estate tax increases due to rising property
    values.

    My taxes haven't gone up since I moved into this home. Used to have to
    make the trek to the Country Assessor's office to apply/renew the deal in-person. And may have to in future. But, for now, the CoVid pandamic
    has put the brakes on the in-person deal. Bv)=

    Meanwhile, local strawberries are beginning to hit the market. Steve picked some up for me at the local farmer's market so we've had
    strawberry short cake and a riff on a salad we'd had last year in Fairbanks. Salad has candied pecans, craisins, bacon bits, feta cheese, strawberries, greens (I used fresh spinach) and a balsamic vinegarette dressing. We'll probably enjoy it a few more times before the end of
    fresh strawberry season. (G)

    We're a bit behind you. Our season is mid-May to ...... We have several
    U-Pick and/or farm stands plus the farmer's market.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: White Chocolate-Dipped Strawberries
    Categories: Five, Fruits, Cocolate
    Yield: 18 Servings

    12 oz White baking chips (2 cups)
    1 tb Shortening
    18 lg Strawberries w/leaves
    1/2 c Semisweet chocolate chips
    1 ts Shortening

    Cover cookie sheet with waxed paper. Heat white baking
    chips and 1 tablespoon shortening in 2-quart saucepan
    over low heat, stirring constantly, until chips are
    melted.

    For each strawberry, poke fork or toothpick into stem
    end, and dip three-fourths of the way into melted chips,
    leaving top of strawberry and leaves uncoated. Place on
    waxed paper-covered cookie sheet.

    Heat semisweet chocolate chips and 1 teaspoon shortening
    in 1-quart saucepan over low heat, stirring constantly,
    until chocolate chips are melted. (Or place chocolate
    chips and shortening in small microwavable bowl.
    Microwave uncovered on Medium (50%) 1 minute; stir.
    Microwave 2 to 3 minutes longer, until mixture can be
    stirred smooth.)

    Drizzle melted semisweet chocolate over dipped
    strawberries, using small spoon. Refrigerate uncovered
    about 30 minutes or until coating is set.

    EXPERT TIPS: Dip the berries in the melted semisweet
    chocolate and drizzle with the melted white baking
    chips.

    Melt the semisweet chocolate chips and 1 teaspoon
    shortening in a resealable plastic food-storage bag in
    the microwave on Medium (50%) until chips are softened;
    squeeze bag until chips are smooth. Snip a corner of the
    bag, and squeeze for easy drizzling.

    Rinse strawberries with cool water just before you are
    ready to use them, and pat dry with paper towels. If you
    wash and then refrigerate the strawberries ahead of
    time, they will turn mushy.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.bettycrocker.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 19 07:09:01 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I have a TeeVee table, part of a set of four nice blond oak w/carrier (holder) that I scored from my local Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. If
    I'm doing Wendy's Biggie Bag (burger and fries) I might not use the
    side table. But if it's soup/chilli, or Popeyes, or a meal I have
    prepared I use the little table.

    We've got a set of those with a walnut finish, picked up at a yard
    sale.

    They are handy. Even if I hardly ever watch TeeVee. Bv)=

    I don't make 'tater salad often. Or macaroni/pasta salad.

    I do a Pennsylvania Dutch one at least once during the summer, a hot German potato salad a bit more often. My mom's version of potato salad
    was just potatoes, hard boiled egg and mayo (with a splash of vinegar
    and celery seed) dressing. I've also done a cold potato salad by
    cooking the potaotes, draing them , then adding Italian dressing and letting them sit in that for an hour or so. By then they've absorbed
    most of the dressing; what they haven't, I'll drain. Then I'll add
    chopped hard boiled (steamed) eggs and a mayo/mustard dressing. Yummy!

    If I use eggs in/on my 'tater or macaroni salad they are generally sliced
    as garnis/topping. But I does like a good egg salad sandwich sometimes.

    I think ours gets used mostly for rewarming tho I know Steve likes to
    do "baked" apples from time to time.

    I've never done baked apples except in a pie or cake. I prefer the
    "tooth" of a fresh Cosmic Crisp or Pink Lady to the soft mushiness of baked.

    I'll go either way. We discovered Empires when we came back from
    Germany in 1992, still a favorite of ours. I also use a lot of
    Honeycrisps in different things, both raw and cooked.

    My current favourite is a variant of the Honeycrisp ... called Cosmic Crisp. So called, I suppose because it was developed from the Honey
    Crisp and because the peel's speckles reminded someone of a space telescope picture w/lots of stars.

    I've seen them, not tried them but maybe next fall.....

    They are a good duplicate for Honey Crisp - being a close cousin. I
    recommended them to Dale Shipp, who was a Honet Crisp acolyte. Worked
    out well for him.

    The Cosmic Crisp works well in this:

    Title: Pork & Apple Salad for Two
    Categories: Pork, Nuts, Citrus, Fruits
    Yield: 2 Servings

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, looks good and now that Steve is back eating pork...............

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Old-Fashion Egg Salad
    Categories: Sandwiches, Eggs, Citrus, Vegetables
    Yield: 3 Servings

    1/4 c Mayonnaise
    2 ts Lemon juice
    1 tb Minced onion
    1/4 ts (ea) Salt & Pepper
    6 lg Hard-cooked eggs; sliced and
    - diced 1/8"
    1/2 c Fine chopped celery
    Curly-leaf parsley sprigs;
    - garnish
    Lettuce leaves or bread

    In a bowl, combine mayonnaise, lemon juice, onion, salt
    and pepper. Stir in eggs and celery. Cover and chill.

    For each serving, spoon about 1/2 cup onto a lettuce leaf
    or spread on thick-sliced bread. Top with a second slice
    and cut in half diagonally and serve. Enjoy!!!

    Serves: 3 to 4

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Apr 18 13:30:22 2024
    Hi Carol,

    By: Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 16 2024 01:08 pm

    On Olive Garden, grin, it's my speed! Yes, I still can't cook
    Italian. I can get close but always the meal is a bit 'tweaked' someplace. If nothing else, the side will be.

    I know, we each have our own areas of cooking that we do better in than
    others. For chain Italian, we prefer Carraba's but there aren't any
    local ones. For non chain Italian, we've got a few good ones in the
    area, plus my home made. (G)


    Ah well, my stir fry isn't Asian either, might be closer to Greek? Ah well. It's good and that's what matters.

    That's all that matters. Years ago I said that I do mock Chinese--throw everything in a wok and stir fry it. Michael wrote back and said that
    it's the real thing as he does it himself. I still do that from time to
    time.


    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by
    extending it out to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back.

    For this house I'd expand the whole back wall so I could have a larger
    sewing room and Steve, a larger computer room/ham radio shack/library in addition to the larger kitchen. I'd try to incorporate a space for the
    washer and dryer, turn that space into a linen and broom closet. I'd
    also do a bigger deck/patio area.


    Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some
    good curtians.

    I'd make curtains but yes, more (and better cabinetry. We have a hanging
    rack for pots and pans which is a big help as I don't need to devote
    cabinet space to them. We have more storage than we did in the rental
    house, but not a lot more. Nice to dream but..........we're debating a
    possible move out west in the future, don't know if that will actually
    come about tho.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Thu Apr 18 13:45:07 2024
    Hi Shawn,


    Yes, she lived in the kitchen.
    Don't see that these days, except maybe baking days for the Amish and other groups like that.

    No you sure don't. She was a product of her time that's for sure!

    My mom started that way but having 5 kids and Dad's job not paying a
    whole lot, she changed gears aand became a working (outside the house)
    woman. I can't remember her doing a whole lot of cooking/baking other
    than for what was needed for meals, plus occaisions like birthdays or Christmas. Even then, it wasn't too much beyond her routine stuff. (Thanksgiving was celebrated down in NJ--where she grew up--with her
    parents and sisters.)


    Sounds like military housing. We had mixed "luck" with our appliances.

    These two have been here at least 8 years so we're used to the quirks
    in the oven. 350 is 380(ish) on the dial, etc.

    instruction manual for it. Moved to Fort Huachuca (AZ) and when we got housing, the stove was identical to the one in MA.

    That was handy!

    Quite so, we made sure we left it in AZ when we moved to HI. Had an
    electric stove over there, actually replaced at one point because the
    oven was wonky. Then, back to the main land, had brand new housing in
    GA, with a smooth top stove. Instruction/warrenty book was in a binder,
    with the rest of the appliances--smart idea--that was left when we
    moved.

    As long as you have a few markings, you should be able to
    guess-timate RH> fairly accurately. I have a back up one cup liquid cup
    that gets RH> pulled out every once in a while when I need 2 liquid
    measures for the RH> same recipe but can't do the rinse and reuse
    thing.

    We have the backup ones as well but they are plastic and were a gift
    from someone, Andrea likes those.

    I've got a set of plastic (in addition to my metric measures) around
    somewhere but it's missing the (IIRC) half cup. Not a big deal. Also
    have a basic set of metal dry measures for back up but the every day
    metal cups and spoons are hung on the inside of 2 upper cabinet doors
    with Command Strip hooks. I've several sets of spoons as some of them
    have the less than common (2 tablespoon/teaspoon, 1 1/2 tablespoon,
    pinch, smidgeon, packet of yeast [from King Arthur Flour] measures. The
    cup measures range from 1/8 cup to one, including 2/3 and 3/4 cups.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Apr 18 14:00:49 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Steve's mom (Italian heritage) gave me her various recipes for sauce, raviolis, lasagne, meat balls, etc as a wedding present. I've tweaked
    some of them over the years (making a meat or spinach lasagne, changes
    to the sauce, etc) but keeping fairly close to the original. Best other

    Nearly every cook puts a personal "spin" on a recipe. My good friend
    Joe DeFrates once told me "You can make my recipe but you can't make
    my chilli"

    When I asked him "Whassup with that?" He explained that everyone
    tastes and "adjusts" as they and wander off the straight and narrow.

    Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as
    written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started
    cooking as my dad insisted on the basics. As time went on, I tinkered
    more and more with them, still somewhat trying to cater to his tastes
    but seeing what I could "get away with". Some years back, before he
    went into the nursing home, we were up visiting and he asked me to make
    a meat loaf for supper. I did, putting in some sauteed onion, which I do
    when making it at home. He ate--and enjoyed--it; I never did tell him
    about the onion because he had declared a few days earlier that he
    didn't like onions. I'd put them in other things that I made when we
    visited or he came to visit us; he ate them without complaint.

    I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We
    have a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems
    to DD> be falling off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of
    really DD> good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good
    Greek DD> venue.

    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    If they grew up with Italian food at all. Chef Boyardee
    notwithstanding.

    I didn't grow up with Chef Boyardee Italian, just my mom's poor version
    of it. There was one local-ish Italian place my folks took us to
    occaisionally, I remember one time we all ordered lasagne. It came out,
    looking nothing like what my mom made but tasted good. Years later,
    after meeting Steve, I found out that was the more authentic Italian
    lasagne. I've made it myself over the years--taught my mom how to do it
    but don't know if she ever did before the dememtia set in.

    O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on
    the DD> profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The Middle".

    I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best
    Italian food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to
    "My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

    I'd probably have answered "my mother in law's kitchen" followed by "my kitchen", then depends on where we were living. We've encountered some
    places that cook like Steve's mom used to (chef coming from the same
    region of Italy as her family) but a lot more "nice try, but..." places.


    That being said:


    Title: Olive Garden Chicken Gnocchi Soup
    Categories: Poultry, Pasta, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Steve tried it the last time we went to OG and was less than impressed
    with it.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 19 14:38:22 2024
    Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Ruth Haffly to Carol Shenkenberger on Thu Apr 18 2024 01:30 pm

    Hi Carol,

    By: Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 16 2024 01:08 pm

    On Olive Garden, grin, it's my speed! Yes, I still can't cook
    Italian. I can get close but always the meal is a bit 'tweaked' someplace. If nothing else, the side will be.

    I know, we each have our own areas of cooking that we do better in than others. For chain Italian, we prefer Carraba's but there aren't any
    local ones. For non chain Italian, we've got a few good ones in the
    area, plus my home made. (G)


    Ah well, my stir fry isn't Asian either, might be closer to Greek? Ah well. It's good and that's what matters.

    That's all that matters. Years ago I said that I do mock Chinese--throw everything in a wok and stir fry it. Michael wrote back and said that
    it's the real thing as he does it himself. I still do that from time to time.


    Lets see, if I won a million, I'd edit my existing kitchen by
    extending it out to the porch area, moving the paio sliding door back.

    For this house I'd expand the whole back wall so I could have a larger sewing room and Steve, a larger computer room/ham radio shack/library in addition to the larger kitchen. I'd try to incorporate a space for the washer and dryer, turn that space into a linen and broom closet. I'd
    also do a bigger deck/patio area.


    Custom cabinets of cedar. Lots of pots-n-pans storage. Maybe some good curtians.

    I'd make curtains but yes, more (and better cabinetry. We have a hanging rack for pots and pans which is a big help as I don't need to devote
    cabinet space to them. We have more storage than we did in the rental
    house, but not a lot more. Nice to dream but..........we're debating a possible move out west in the future, don't know if that will actually
    come about tho.



    On renovations, grin as you saw at the picnic, I have that porch in spades! Mine was done on the picnic table on the porch.

    On the stir fry, tonight it's flat italian green beans with garlic and mushrooms in olive oil. Main dish will be garlic parmesan alfredo over egg noodles with sliced kielbasa and garnished with shishido peppers and strips of red bell peppers.

    Should all be good!
    xxcarol
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Apr 19 20:11:02 2024
    Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Sorry Dave but a cubed potato has no relation to tenderizing meat.

    I like these definitions for myself as this is what I was basically taught growing up:

    "There is a different meaning to the cooking terms "chop", "cube", "dice",
    and "mince". The easiest way to remember these terms is by size. "Chop" refers to cutting foods into pieces that are not necessarily even, but all about 1/2" in diameter. "Cube" means to cut food into pieces that are even, like a square. The size is usually about the same as the chopped pieces
    sizes; about 1/3 to 1/2". "Dice" means to cut food into even, small squares about 1/4" in diameter. And "mince" means to cut foods into even, very
    small pieces about 1/8" in diameter."

    From https://tinyurl.com/3845t68z (thespruceeats.com)

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Lemon and Basil Pork Chops
    Categories: None
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1/2 c Freshly made bread crumbs
    4 Boneless pork loin chops,
    -1-1/4" thick
    1 tb Melted butter or margarine
    2 ts Grated lemon peel (I have
    -used orange peel, too)
    1 ts Dried basil leaves
    1 Egg, slightly beaten
    1 ts Lemon juice
    1/2 c Marinara sauce

    Heat oven to 375. Grease a 15x10x1 inch baking pan. Combine bread
    crumbs, butter, lemon peel & basil. In small bowl, combine egg &
    lemon juice. Brush chops with egg, then dip in crumb mix to coat top
    & sides. Place on prepared pan. Bake at 375 for 30-40 mins, or until
    meat thermometer reaches 160, turning once halfway through baking. In
    small saucepan, heat marinara sauce. Serve over chops. 4 servings.

    Posted to EAT-L Digest 17 October 96

    Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 22:08:36 -0400

    From: Twallace <twallace@BIDDEFORD.COM>

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 19 20:13:46 2024
    Dave Drum wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-

    https://www.thespruceeats.com

    See my quote from the same website about the terms "cube", "dice", and
    "chop" to xxCarol in this same packet.

    Continuing on my theme for this packet:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Mom's Chop Suey
    Categories: Main dish
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 c Pork or chicken, chopped
    3/4 c Onion, chopped
    2 tb Sugar
    2 tb Soy sauce
    1 lg Can Chinese vegetables

    Fry meat until nearly done. Add sugar, soy sauce, and juice from
    canned veggies. Add onion and cook until tender. Add veggies. Add 1c
    water. Thicken with corn starch <take 1/4c cold water and 2T corn
    starch>.

    Serve hot with rice and chow mein noodles.

    From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 19 20:19:41 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    There's a small local Italian place here in Johnson City called "The Crazy Tomato" that beats Olive Garden hands down IMNSHO. I haven't eaten at Olive Garden in years as they want too much for their food.

    Now here's something I like (and everyone else thinks I'm crazy) sans the brandy:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Myra's Jewish Chopped Liver
    Categories: Poultry, Appetizers, Jewish
    Yield: 3 Servings

    1 lb Chicken livers
    1/2 c Schmaltz or Nyafat
    1 lg Onion, coarsely chopped
    3 Eggs, hard boiled and
    Peeled
    2 tb Brandy
    1/2 ts Kosher salt
    Pepper to taste

    In broiler pan, spread livers and broil until very well done (no
    pinkness remaining). In skillet, melt schmaltz and saute onion until
    very brown. Add livers and cook an additional few minutes, allowing
    the liver to absorb the schmaltz-onion flavor.

    In food processor or blender, chop eggs, add the liver-onion mixture
    and remaining ingredients. Pulse until everything is ground and mixed
    together.

    Put in bowl or crock and refrigerate.

    NOTE: Schmaltz is rendered chicken fat with onion, and is available
    in the kosher section of your market. Nyafat is a cholesterol-free,
    schmaltz-flavored vegetable shortening, also available in the kosher
    section.

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 19 20:31:53 2024
    Dave Drum wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-

    Nearly everyone "tweaks" to his/her taste. It's a universal truth. I learned about *real* Chinese (well, the Cantonese part) when I stumbled into House of Yee in Inglewood, CA. I started at the top of the menu
    and worked my way to the bottom, keeping mental notes. Bv)=

    There is a little, tiny, hole-in-the-wall Chinerse place called "The Magic
    Wok" here in Johnson City. It's been around for several decades and it's
    run by a Sichuan (Szechuan) couple and the owner's mother. When I was still married to my second wife, we went there for dinner. We were promptly
    seated by the mother and given two menus.

    The first one, the mother explained, was "Chinese food". Then she pointed
    out the Sichuan menu and said in a sly voice, "This real Chinese food!"

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Crab Won Tons with Blackberry Szechuan Sauce
    Categories: Appetizers, Seafood, Fruits
    Yield: 3 Dozen

    MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
    1/2 c Blackberry puree
    1/2 c Saki or dry sherry
    1 tb Cornstarch
    1/2 ts Salt (to taste)
    1/2 ts Red pepper flakes (to taste)
    1/2 ts Ginger, grated
    1 ts Lime juice
    2 x Garlic cloves, minced
    1 1/2 tb Honey

    MMMMM--------------------------FILLING-------------------------------
    3 oz Spinach, fresh
    1 tb Butter
    4 tb Onion, chopped finely
    3 oz Cream cheese
    2 tb Lemon juice
    2 tb Breadcrumbs, dry
    1/2 lb Crabmeat, flaked, cooked
    1 ds Salt, pepper, tabasco (opt)

    MMMMM--------------------------WON TONS-------------------------------
    36 x Won Ton wrappers
    Vegetable oil

    BLACKBERRY PUREE: Place 1 cup fresh or thawed whole frozen
    blackberries in food mill, blender, or food processor ans process
    until smooth. If desired, seeds may be removed by straining through a
    medium sieve and using a rubber spatula to press pulp through while
    scraping underside of sieve. Add sugar to taste. A good rule of thumb
    for sweetening is about 2 T sugar per cup of whole berries. SZECHUAN
    SAUCE: Mix all sauce ingredients in a saucepan. Bring to a boil over
    medium high heat. Lower heat and cook until clear and thickened. (The
    flavor of this sauce improves after standing overnight.) FILLING:
    Remove stems and wash spinach. With water still clinging to the
    leaves, place in a large pan over medium high heat. Cook until
    spinach just begins to wilt and most of water has evaporated. Empty
    onto cutting board and chop finely. Set aside. Melt butter in saute
    pan. Saute onions until transparent. Cut cream cheese into small
    chunks. Reduce heat to low, and add cream cheese. when cheese begins
    to soften, add lemon juice to blend. Remove pan from heat and stir in
    breadcrumbs. crab and spinach. WONTONS: Place 1 - 2 tsp. filling in
    each wrapper and seal according to package directions. Place single
    layer of wontons in hot oil (about 1/4" in bottom of wok)and fry 2 -
    3 minutes until golden brown. Drain on paper bags or paper towels,
    and serve immediately with blackberry sauce.

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Sean Dennis on Sat Apr 20 05:42:00 2024
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    https://www.thespruceeats.com

    See my quote from the same website about the terms "cube", "dice", and "chop" to xxCarol in this same packet.

    I respectfully disagree with those astute folks at Spruce. Cubed, to me,
    will *always* refer to mechanically tenderied meat(s).

    Continuing on my theme for this packet:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Mom's Chop Suey
    Categories: Main dish
    Yield: 4 Servings

    Not quite Chun King - but close. Here's my entry:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Chicken Chop Suey
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Sauces
    Yield: 2 servings

    2 md Skinned/boned chicken thighs
    1 1/2 lb Bok choy; washed, in 1/8ths
    - lengthwise, then in 3" to
    - 4" ribbons crosswise
    2 tb Oil
    1 1/2 tb Oyster sauce
    1 ts Sugar
    1 tb Cornstarch
    +=MIXED WITH=+
    2 tb Water
    1 ts Toasted sesame oil
    Salt & white pepper

    In two cups of boiling water, simmer the chicken for 30
    minutes. Remove chicken from the water, and let cool.
    Reserve the stock. When the chicken is cool enough to
    handle, remove the meat, chop and set aside; discard the
    skin and bones.

    Put the vegetable oil in a large, wide skillet set over
    high heat. When it is hot, add the bok choy, and cook
    for 1 minute, stirring constantly. Then add half the
    reserved stock to the pan, and cover; cook until the bok
    choy is crisp but still tender, about 2 minutes. Remove
    the cover, and continue cooking until the liquid
    evaporates and the bok choy browns a bit, 5 to 6
    minutes. Transfer to a plate.

    Add the remaining stock and the chicken to the pan set
    over high heat. Heat the chicken through, then add the
    oyster sauce, sugar, cornstarch slurry, sesame oil and
    reserved bok choy; season to taste. Toss to combine, and
    serve immediately over rice.

    Recipe from: China Cafe

    Adapted by: Mark Bittman

    Yield: 2 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 20 06:23:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Nearly every cook puts a personal "spin" on a recipe. My good friend
    Joe DeFrates once told me "You can make my recipe but you can't make
    my chilli"

    When I asked him "Whassup with that?" He explained that everyone
    tastes and "adjusts" as they and wander off the straight and narrow.

    Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started cooking as my dad insisted on the basics. As time went on, I tinkered
    more and more with them, still somewhat trying to cater to his tastes
    but seeing what I could "get away with". Some years back, before he
    went into the nursing home, we were up visiting and he asked me to make
    a meat loaf for supper. I did, putting in some sauteed onion, which I
    do when making it at home. He ate--and enjoyed--it; I never did tell
    him about the onion because he had declared a few days earlier that he didn't like onions. I'd put them in other things that I made when we visited or he came to visit us; he ate them without complaint.

    My house-mate also claims he can't eat onions because they give him a "heartburn". But he scarfs down my chuck roast which is made with both
    sliced onion and a packet of onion soup mix. And once, just for a giggle
    I made calves liver w/bacon and onions and smothered it in a nice gravy.
    He always claimed that he "hated" liver sonce his Navy days. But he did
    second helpings on this. Bv)=

    I've always found O.G. to be lowest common denominator Italian. We
    have a substantial Italian population (the first generation seems
    to DD> be falling off their twigs a lot lately) and have no lack of
    really DD> good, authentic Italian restaurants. What we need is a good
    Greek DD> venue.

    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    If they grew up with Italian food at all. Chef Boyardee
    notwithstanding.

    I didn't grow up with Chef Boyardee Italian, just my mom's poor version
    of it. There was one local-ish Italian place my folks took us to occaisionally, I remember one time we all ordered lasagne. It came out, looking nothing like what my mom made but tasted good. Years later,
    after meeting Steve, I found out that was the more authentic Italian lasagne. I've made it myself over the years--taught my mom how to do it but don't know if she ever did before the dememtia set in.

    In his defense, Chef Hector Boiardi (before the advertising people revised
    the spelling of his name) had a very nice restaurant in Cleveland, Ohio. And
    he began selling his pasta sauce in washed milk bottles. That grew into a full-fledged manufacturing deal which was later sold to American Home Foods and was later gobbled up by ConAgra.

    O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on
    the profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The Middle".

    I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best
    Italian food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to
    "My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

    I'd probably have answered "my mother in law's kitchen" followed by "my kitchen", then depends on where we were living. We've encountered some

    But, you're not an Italian. Bv)=

    places that cook like Steve's mom used to (chef coming from the same region of Italy as her family) but a lot more "nice try, but..."
    places.

    That being said:

    Title: Olive Garden Chicken Gnocchi Soup
    Categories: Poultry, Pasta, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 8 servings

    Steve tried it the last time we went to OG and was less than impressed with it.

    I'm not much on gnocci in soup. I'm much more likely to use tortellini if
    not doing pasta shapes. For gnocchi, especially potato gnocchi I'm more
    prone to do this:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: One-Pan Shrimp Scampi w/Crispy Gnocchi
    Categories: Seafood, Pasta, Vegetables, Herbs, Chilies
    Yield: 3 servings

    3 tb Extra-virgin olive oil; more
    - to serve
    1 lb Gnocchi; fresh, frozen or
    - shelf-stable
    2 tb Unsalted butter
    4 cl Garlic; fine grated or
    - minced
    1/2 c Dry white wine; or clam
    - juice, or broth
    Salt & fresh ground pepper
    1/3 ts Red-pepper flakes; more to
    - serve
    1 lb Large or extra-large shrimp;
    - shelled, deveined
    1 Lemon
    1/2 c Chopped parsley

    In a large, preferably non-stick skillet, heat 2
    tablespoons oil over medium-high. Add gnocchi to the
    pan, breaking up any that are stuck together. Cook for
    10 to 12 minutes, tossing every 1 to 2 minutes, so they
    get golden and crispy all over. Transfer to a bowl or
    plate.

    In the same skillet over medium-high, add remaining 1
    tablespoon oil and all of the butter, letting it melt
    for a few seconds. Add garlic and sauté until fragrant,
    30 seconds to 1 minute. Add wine, 1/2 teaspoon salt, 1/4
    teaspoon black pepper and all of the red-pepper flakes.
    Bring to a simmer, and let the wine reduce by half,
    about 2 minutes.

    Add shrimp and saute until they just start to turn pink,
    2 to 3 minutes, depending on their size.

    Return gnocchi to the pan and add another ¼ teaspoon
    salt. Using a Microplane or other fine grater, grate the
    zest from the lemon into the pan. Add parsley, tossing
    well. If your pan looks dry, add a splash of water, 1
    tablespoon at a time, tossing to combine, then remove
    pan from the heat.

    Cut the naked lemon in two and squeeze in the juice from
    one half, gently tossing to combine. Taste and add more
    salt if you like. Cut the remaining lemon half into
    wedges to serve.

    Top with more olive oil and more red-pepper flakes, if
    you’d like, and serve with lemon wedges on the side.

    By: Melissa Clark

    Yield: 3 to 4 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://cooking.nytimes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM


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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 20 06:46:19 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    My mom started that way but having 5 kids and Dad's job not paying a
    whole lot, she changed gears aand became a working (outside the house)

    Survival comes first!

    GA, with a smooth top stove. Instruction/warranty book was in a
    binder, with the rest of the appliances--smart idea--that was left when
    we moved.

    That is a good idea. Probably something I should have done over the years,
    we have a drawer filled with manuals in a file cabinet and we can never find what we want, so I just end up using google to see if I can figure it out.

    I've got a set of plastic (in addition to my metric measures) around somewhere but it's missing the (IIRC) half cup. Not a big deal. Also

    We're missing a few from the plastic set. I'm not sure where they went.

    have the less than common (2 tablespoon/teaspoon, 1 1/2 tablespoon,
    pinch, smidgeon, packet of yeast [from King Arthur Flour] measures.
    The cup measures range from 1/8 cup to one, including 2/3 and 3/4 cups.

    That's handy!

    Reminds me of my Mother before her mother passed away they spent time in
    the kitchen so Mom could say to Granny "Okay give me a pinch." and then she measured it. "Give me a small handful" and measure. etc. LOL
    So the family recipes now say "Big handful" - 1/2 cup or something like that. Granny was good about writing them down just used her own hands as a
    measuring device. LOL

    Shawn

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Sean Dennis on Sat Apr 20 07:00:58 2024
    Quoting Sean Dennis to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Now here's something I like (and everyone else thinks I'm crazy) sans
    the brandy:
    Title: Myra's Jewish Chopped Liver

    Here's the one my Jewish friend taught me to make and it's perfect IMO. Basically the same but we don't over cook the liver.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06 by AccuChef (tm) www.AccuChef.com

    Title: Chopped Liver (Heather R Original)
    Categories: Meats,Shawn
    Yield: 1 Servings

    1 Or two packaged liver
    6 Onion
    2 Hard eggs,Boiled
    2 T Mayo
    Salt and pepper,To Taste

    Rince livers until water until they run clean. If using beef liver
    consider soaking in milk for a bit as well.

    Fry livers until done (slightly pink) and set aside to cool.

    Fry onion in meduim heat in LOTS of oil (almost poaching them)

    Hard boil the eggs peel and cool

    Chop livers in food processor, stir in mayo, crumble in eggs, drump
    in all oil and onion from pan. salt pepper to taste.
    -----

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Apr 20 07:07:23 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Dave Drum <=-

    Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started

    Andrea is like this. I even have recipes printed and pretend to use them
    when I make something I've made a 100 times just so she'll eat it. "I don't like when you change recipes, make them correctly." (Hope she doens't see this) As long as a printed recipe is handy she will eat it. ;)

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 19 14:41:10 2024
    Hi Dave,

    I never got into it that much but Dad did a lot for the paper, probably more than I ever knew. I've done some writing, not a lot in the past
    few years (except for Fido), published mostly in a (monthly) church newsletter, but had some published in the paper as well. In the back of
    my brain I think about getting back to it, but it hasn't happened yet.

    I've got a lot of "round tuits" many of which may never be gotten
    around to. But I do get a sense of satisfaction when I mark one off
    the list.

    My list is probably longer than I realise but it does feel good to get
    items marked off from time to time.


    I was young and energetic. These days I'm north of 80 and getting
    tired.

    I'm not there yet but times I feel much older. Other times I feel I'm
    too young to be this old. (G)

    I know the word to that song. Time has been kind to my physical shell
    and many people are amazed when they lear that I'm the age I am. "You
    sure don't look that old." To which my standard comeback is "Try
    looking through my eyes" Bv)=

    Work/keeping you active has probably kept you going.


    If I hit the lottery I'm going to have my dream kitchen designed as
    the hub of my new home. Then hang the living, sleeping and home
    office DD> space off of that. Wall ovens, walk-in reefer, dishwasher,
    counter DD> seating for eat-in, nook for a table for six (or more),
    etc. And lots DD> or cabinet and pantry space. I've mentally budgeted
    U$50,000.

    The problem with a house that fancy is that the local gummint wants
    their "pound of flesh" every year at tax time. Bv)=

    Tell me about it! Wake County re-evaluates property every 4 years as compared to 8 years for the rest of the state. Our taxes more than
    doubled with the last re-evaluation, done last year. According to them, the house/lot is worth more than twice what we paid for it in fall of
    2014 but we can't sell it for that much.

    Illiois has a "Homestead Act" for residential property that is
    occupied by its owner or owners as his or their principal dwelling
    place. Plus
    the "Low-Income Senior Freeze" provides limited-income seniors with protection against real estate tax increases due to rising property values.

    I don't think we've got anything like that but it does sound nice.

    My taxes haven't gone up since I moved into this home. Used to have to make the trek to the Country Assessor's office to apply/renew the deal in-person. And may have to in future. But, for now, the CoVid pandamic
    has put the brakes on the in-person deal. Bv)=

    Probably a lot of formerly walk ins have gone to having everything done
    on line. Nice for those of us that have a computer at home but another
    twist in getting things done easy if you don't. Find a public space
    (library?) that has computers/meshes with the time you can get in to use
    them. But first, find public transportation that will get you there.

    Meanwhile, local strawberries are beginning to hit the market.
    Steve RH> picked some up for me at the local farmer's market so we've
    had RH> strawberry short cake and a riff on a salad we'd had last year
    in RH> Fairbanks. Salad has candied pecans, craisins, bacon bits, feta
    cheese, RH> strawberries, greens (I used fresh spinach) and a balsamic
    vinegarette RH> dressing. We'll probably enjoy it a few more times
    before the end of RH> fresh strawberry season. (G)

    We're a bit behind you. Our season is mid-May to ...... We have
    several U-Pick and/or farm stands plus the farmer's market.

    I picked some up at one of the local grocery stores this afternoon. More strawberry salads and maybe a strawberry pie in the near future.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 19 14:50:25 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I have a TeeVee table, part of a set of four nice blond oak w/carrier (holder) that I scored from my local Habitat for Humanity Re-Store. If

    We've got a set of those with a walnut finish, picked up at a yard
    sale.

    They are handy. Even if I hardly ever watch TeeVee. Bv)=

    Good for catching a stack of magazines or papers when you run out of
    other flat surfaces. (G)


    I don't make 'tater salad often. Or macaroni/pasta salad.

    I do a Pennsylvania Dutch one at least once during the summer, a hot German potato salad a bit more often. My mom's version of potato salad
    was just potatoes, hard boiled egg and mayo (with a splash of vinegar
    and celery seed) dressing. I've also done a cold potato salad by
    cooking the potaotes, draing them , then adding Italian dressing and letting them sit in that for an hour or so. By then they've absorbed
    most of the dressing; what they haven't, I'll drain. Then I'll add
    chopped hard boiled (steamed) eggs and a mayo/mustard dressing. Yummy!

    If I use eggs in/on my 'tater or macaroni salad they are generally
    sliced as garnis/topping. But I does like a good egg salad sandwich sometimes.

    I'll mix in a couple of eggs with my salad, and yes, enjoy an egg salad sandwich from time to time.


    My current favourite is a variant of the Honeycrisp ... called Cosmic Crisp. So called, I suppose because it was developed from the Honey
    Crisp and because the peel's speckles reminded someone of a space telescope picture w/lots of stars.

    I've seen them, not tried them but maybe next fall.....

    They are a good duplicate for Honey Crisp - being a close cousin. I recommended them to Dale Shipp, who was a Honet Crisp acolyte. Worked
    out well for him.

    Worth giving them a try. I know Dale is no longer on the Echo but have
    you heard anything out of him/Gail lately?

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Apr 21 05:55:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I never got into it that much but Dad did a lot for the paper, probably more than I ever knew. I've done some writing, not a lot in the past
    few years (except for Fido), published mostly in a (monthly) church newsletter, but had some published in the paper as well. In the back of
    my brain I think about getting back to it, but it hasn't happened yet.

    I've got a lot of "round tuits" many of which may never be gotten
    around to. But I do get a sense of satisfaction when I mark one off
    the list.

    My list is probably longer than I realise but it does feel good to get items marked off from time to time.

    Some people call that a bucket list.

    I was young and energetic. These days I'm north of 80 and getting
    tired.

    I'm not there yet but times I feel much older. Other times I feel I'm
    too young to be this old. (G)

    But we all know someone our age (or a bit younger) who is in far wprse
    shape than we.

    I know the word to that song. Time has been kind to my physical shell
    and many people are amazed when they lear that I'm the age I am. "You
    sure don't look that old." To which my standard comeback is "Try
    looking through my eyes" Bv)=

    Work/keeping you active has probably kept you going.

    If it were onl;y possible to be old without getting old. Bv)=


    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    Meanwhile, local strawberries are beginning to hit the market.
    Steve RH> picked some up for me at the local farmer's market so we've
    had RH> strawberry short cake and a riff on a salad we'd had last year
    in RH> Fairbanks. Salad has candied pecans, craisins, bacon bits, feta
    cheese, RH> strawberries, greens (I used fresh spinach) and a balsamic
    vinegarette RH> dressing. We'll probably enjoy it a few more times
    before the end of RH> fresh strawberry season. (G)

    We're a bit behind you. Our season is mid-May to ...... We have
    several U-Pick and/or farm stands plus the farmer's market.

    I picked some up at one of the local grocery stores this afternoon.
    More strawberry salads and maybe a strawberry pie in the near future.

    I'm begiknning to see them in some of the stupormarkups as a high value.
    Suttill's Farm or Jefferies Orchard (local Farm stands) are offering
    onion set and seed potatoes on their signage. Apparetly nothing much
    is "in" just yet. And the current outdoors temp as I type this is 33o
    So it will be a bit before the plants take off.

    I've had something very much like this in the past. It wold be very easy
    to make with a pre-made graham cracher or chocolate cookie crust.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Big Guy Strawberry Pie
    Categories: Pies, Pastry, Fruits
    Yield: 6 Servings

    1 c Water
    3/4 c White sugar
    1/4 ts Salt
    2 tb Cornstarch
    1/4 ts Red food coloring; (opt)
    1 c All-purpose flour
    1/2 c Butter
    3 tb Confectioners' sugar
    1 ts Vanilla extract
    1 qt Fresh strawberries; hulled

    In a saucepan, combine water, white sugar, salt,
    cornstarch and food coloring (optional). Bring to a
    boil, and cook for about 5 minutes or until thickened.
    Set aside to cool. Set oven to 350oF/175oC.

    In a large bowl, combine flour, confectioners' sugar,
    and vanilla. Cut in butter until the mixture resembles
    small crumbs. Press into a 9" pie pan. Prick all over
    with a fork and bake in the preheated oven for 8 to 10
    minutes, or until lightly browned.

    When crust is cool, place berries in the shell, and pour
    the thickened mixture over the top. Chill in
    refrigerator.

    "This is a fresh berry pie; the fruit is not cooked.
    Serve with a dollop of whipped cream."

    Recipe By: Pat Collins

    RECIPE FROM: http://allrecipes.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sat Apr 20 15:00:36 2024
    Hi Carol,

    I'd make curtains but yes, more (and better cabinetry. We have a hanging rack for pots and pans which is a big help as I don't need to devote
    cabinet space to them. We have more storage than we did in the rental
    house, but not a lot more. Nice to dream but..........we're debating a possible move out west in the future, don't know if that will actually
    come about tho.

    On renovations, grin as you saw at the picnic, I have that porch in spades! Mine was done on the picnic table on the porch.

    I do remember that. Our back door opens up onto a small deck, with a
    patio (new since 2021) off to the side. We'd have to tear down the deck
    and figure how to incorporate the water heater room into an expansion.
    But, since we probably will never inhert a million dollars, it's just
    pipe dream.


    On the stir fry, tonight it's flat italian green beans with garlic and mushrooms in olive oil. Main dish will be garlic parmesan alfredo
    over egg noodles with sliced kielbasa and garnished with shishido
    peppers and strips of red bell peppers.

    Should all be good!

    Sounds good to me. I fell yesterday, bruised my lower back (went to
    urgent care this morning, x-rays showed no breaks) so not feeling like
    doing much cooking or eating for a few days. When I do get into it
    again, we've several options to choose from, depending on my ambition
    level.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Sean Dennis on Sat Apr 20 15:09:05 2024
    Hi Sean,

    Long time no hear, hope all is going well with you.


    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    There's a small local Italian place here in Johnson City called "The
    Crazy Tomato" that beats Olive Garden hands down IMNSHO. I haven't
    eaten at Olive Garden in years as they want too much for their food.

    Sounds good. Back in November we were in Raleigh doing some run around, including stopping at the Bernina store to show one of their instructors
    my finished piece from one of her classes. She was teaching another
    class on the same project when we went in so I had to model it (a
    patchwork jacket) for the others and show how I varied it from the
    pattern. It was supper time so we asked her about the restaurant near
    the store, turns out it's a pricy steak house. She reccommended the
    Italian place in the same plaza--we walked in without reservations but
    got seated right away. It was a white tablecloth place so I was
    expecting prices to match and was pleasantly surprised that they were reasonable. Turned out to be a family owned place, from the same region
    of Italy as Steve's mom's family so we got a good meal, with plans to go
    back.

    As for Olive Garden--the local one does a free lunch (limited menu) for veterans on Nov.11 so we went with another vet and his daugher (he's
    also a ham). IIRC, I had something like chicken parm with angel hair
    pasta. The meat was ok--not great, not terrible--but the pasta was
    nothing I would order again. I think Steve would agree with me in that
    O.G. is ok for times like that, other times we'll go to a non chain
    place.


    Now here's something I like (and everyone else thinks I'm crazy) sans
    the brandy:


    Title: Myra's Jewish Chopped Liver
    Categories: Poultry, Appetizers, Jewish
    Yield: 3 Servings

    Probably something you can handle with your mouth--or do you have the
    new set of teeth yet?

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sat Apr 20 15:25:07 2024
    Hi Dave,

    Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started cooking as my dad insisted on the basics. As time went on, I tinkered
    more and more with them, still somewhat trying to cater to his tastes
    but seeing what I could "get away with". Some years back, before he
    went into the nursing home, we were up visiting and he asked me to make
    a meat loaf for supper. I did, putting in some sauteed onion, which I
    do when making it at home. He ate--and enjoyed--it; I never did tell
    him about the onion because he had declared a few days earlier that he didn't like onions. I'd put them in other things that I made when we visited or he came to visit us; he ate them without complaint.

    My house-mate also claims he can't eat onions because they give him a "heartburn". But he scarfs down my chuck roast which is made with both sliced onion and a packet of onion soup mix. And once, just for a
    giggle I made calves liver w/bacon and onions and smothered it in a
    nice gravy. He always claimed that he "hated" liver sonce his Navy
    days. But he did second helpings on this. Bv)=

    Neither of our daughters are fans of liver; I served it a fair amount
    when they were growing up. My favorite way to fix it was to slice it
    into strips or chunk, fry it, cut up onions, bell peppers and mushrooms together, then add a marinara-ish sauce, cook it down and serve it over
    brown rice. Haven't done that in a while but maybe I'll check out the
    liver next time I go shopping--don't see it as much as I used to. My mom
    would fry up bacon (one slice per person), then cook beef liver that had
    been dredged in flour in it--always tough. After all the kids left home,
    she discovered baby beef liver was much more tender than regular beef
    (probably from an older cow or steer) liver.


    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    If they grew up with Italian food at all. Chef Boyardee
    notwithstanding.

    I didn't grow up with Chef Boyardee Italian, just my mom's poor version
    of it. There was one local-ish Italian place my folks took us to occaisionally, I remember one time we all ordered lasagne. It came out, looking nothing like what my mom made but tasted good. Years later,
    after meeting Steve, I found out that was the more authentic Italian lasagne. I've made it myself over the years--taught my mom how to do it but don't know if she ever did before the dememtia set in.

    In his defense, Chef Hector Boiardi (before the advertising people
    revised the spelling of his name) had a very nice restaurant in
    Cleveland, Ohio. And he began selling his pasta sauce in washed milk bottles. That grew into a full-fledged manufacturing deal which was
    later sold to American Home Foods and was later gobbled up by ConAgra.

    It was his selling out that made him popular, especially as a canned,
    easy to fix (especially with a microwave) meal. If he'd been able to
    keep it as a regional product, he wouldn't have made as much money but
    his name on canned Italian food wouldn't have been a L.C.D. product.

    O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on
    the profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The
    Middle".

    I'm less and less enamored of it, the more I eat there. Best things on
    the menu are the tossed salad, breadsticks and chocolate lasagne, IMO.

    I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best
    Italian food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to
    "My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

    I'd probably have answered "my mother in law's kitchen" followed by "my kitchen", then depends on where we were living. We've encountered some

    But, you're not an Italian. Bv)=

    No, but when I cooked Italian for Steve's folks about 9 months after we
    were married, his mom said that I cook "like a good little dago". (G)
    Knocked her socks off one time a few years later with a lasagne (her
    recipe) but with home made noodles.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Apr 20 15:41:15 2024
    Hi Shawn,

    My mom started that way but having 5 kids and Dad's job not paying a
    whole lot, she changed gears aand became a working (outside the house)

    Survival comes first!

    Very much so! We ate a lot of cheap meat meals and pb&j but never had to
    miss a meal.

    GA, with a smooth top stove. Instruction/warranty book was in a RH>
    binder, with the rest of the appliances--smart idea--that was left when
    we moved.

    That is a good idea. Probably something I should have done over the years, we have a drawer filled with manuals in a file cabinet and we
    can never find what we want, so I just end up using google to see if I
    can figure it out.

    We've got a file box that we have most of the older warranties in--need
    to go thru and purge out what we no longer have. Newer (since we bought
    the house in 2014) warranties are in a drawer in the kitchen.


    I've got a set of plastic (in addition to my metric measures) around somewhere but it's missing the (IIRC) half cup. Not a big deal. Also

    We're missing a few from the plastic set. I'm not sure where they
    went.

    have the less than common (2 tablespoon/teaspoon, 1 1/2 tablespoon,
    pinch, smidgeon, packet of yeast [from King Arthur Flour] measures.
    The cup measures range from 1/8 cup to one, including 2/3 and 3/4 cups.

    That's handy!

    Very much so as it's the corner where I do a lot of prep work. The
    lay-out of that part of the kitchen has fridge to the left as you come
    in, a small cabinet/counter top with the toaster oven on it, followed by
    a corner counter (a corner cabinet unit makes the lower blind corner
    cabinet fully useable) leading to the sink, with the dishwasher on the
    right side, then the pantry. We have what Lowe's (hardware) called a
    "butler" a couple of feet in back of the sink; the pot rack hangs above
    it (saving us from bonking our heads) for some storage. It's an eat in
    kitchen with the table, several storage units and an upright freezer to
    the right as you come in.


    Reminds me of my Mother before her mother passed away they spent time
    in the kitchen so Mom could say to Granny "Okay give me a pinch." and
    then she measured it. "Give me a small handful" and measure. etc. LOL
    So the family recipes now say "Big handful" - 1/2 cup or something
    like that. Granny was good about writing them down just used her own
    hands as a
    measuring device. LOL

    Sounds like how my MIL standadised her sauce and meatballs recipies,
    especially the spicing. For the sauce, she took the pot she made it in,
    lined up the spices and shook each one into the pot, dumping out and
    measuring it before doing the next one in line. I think she did the same
    basic thing with the meatballs, spices, cheese, breadcrumbs, etc. She
    told us all the story when we were up for a family get together.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Apr 20 16:01:36 2024
    Hi Shawn,


    Most everybody does, but I know of some that stick to the recipe as written, every time, no exceptions. I did that when I first started

    Andrea is like this. I even have recipes printed and pretend to use
    them when I make something I've made a 100 times just so she'll eat
    it. "I don't like when you change recipes, make them correctly."
    (Hope she doens't see this) As long as a printed recipe is handy she
    will eat it. ;)

    I'll use a printed recipe for guidance the first time I'll make
    something, unless it's a cake or similar. Those, I'll stay fairly close
    to the original (some tweaking from time to time) as they're more
    sensitive to changes. Other times I'll keep the recipe handy aas a
    reference for key ingredients--make sure I don't leave anything major
    out--and quite often, I'll wing it, especially if I've made it a
    gazillion times before.

    Something funny--shortly after we got married, the comic strip "Blondie"
    showed Dagwood in the kitchen, mixing something. He reads the recipe and
    sees that it calls for 2 teaspoons of water. Blondie is in the living
    room so he yells in "is that heaping or level?". When we first got
    married and Steve tried his hand at cooking some things (more so,
    baking) he'd read the recipe, then ask me what had to be level or what
    could be heaping. I showed him the comic and for a long time, he'd see
    an ingredient and just ask "is it heaping or level?".

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 22 06:13:17 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My house-mate also claims he can't eat onions because they give him a "heartburn". But he scarfs down my chuck roast which is made with both sliced onion and a packet of onion soup mix. And once, just for a
    giggle I made calves liver w/bacon and onions and smothered it in a
    nice gravy. He always claimed that he "hated" liver sonce his Navy
    days. But he did second helpings on this. Bv)=

    Neither of our daughters are fans of liver; I served it a fair amount
    when they were growing up. My favorite way to fix it was to slice it
    into strips or chunk, fry it, cut up onions, bell peppers and mushrooms together, then add a marinara-ish sauce, cook it down and serve it over brown rice. Haven't done that in a while but maybe I'll check out the liver next time I go shopping--don't see it as much as I used to. My
    mom would fry up bacon (one slice per person), then cook beef liver
    that had been dredged in flour in it--always tough. After all the kids left home, she discovered baby beef liver was much more tender than regular beef (probably from an older cow or steer) liver.

    I grew up with liver 'n onions a common thing at our house. Lerned
    about liver 'n bacon at a local restaurant run by Isidro Valadaz and
    his American wife. After my dad died and Mom moved back to Springfield
    she asked me to come live with her so she wouldn't be alone. That's
    where I met the worst liver I've ever experienced. Ma got a "deal" on
    liver at the stupormarkup and was going to make liver for dinner. That
    produced one of the foulest odors I have ever had the misfortune to get
    up my nose. Seems it was pork liver, from a boar that was in ryt. We
    opened all the doors and windows, turned the fans on high and went to
    a restaurant for our supper. These days I leave the pork liver where
    found. Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
    more than once. But never again pork liver.

    But for most people, O.G. is the Italian taste they grew up with. Those that were raised with parents that didn't do much cooking--frozen
    entrees or take out, O.G. would be the best Italian cooking they know.

    If they grew up with Italian food at all. Chef Boyardee
    notwithstanding.

    8<----- SNIP ----->8

    O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on
    the profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The
    Middle".

    I'm less and less enamored of it, the more I eat there. Best things on
    the menu are the tossed salad, breadsticks and chocolate lasagne, IMO.

    I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best
    Italian food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to
    "My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

    I'd probably have answered "my mother in law's kitchen" followed by "my kitchen", then depends on where we were living. We've encountered some

    But, you're not an Italian. Bv)=

    No, but when I cooked Italian for Steve's folks about 9 months after we were married, his mom said that I cook "like a good little dago". (G) Knocked her socks off one time a few years later with a lasagne (her recipe) but with home made noodles.

    I made pasta one time - more as a challenge to myself after watching
    Mario Batali on the Fod Network make it look so easy. At home, on my
    own and without video tape editing (or experience) it proved somewhat
    more problematic. And it's just like (almost) my recipe for egg noodles
    I got from my grandmother ... using different flour and finishing steps.

    I gave the pasta roller to my sister-in-law and now buy pre-made from
    the store. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Whole Wheat Egg Noodles or Dumplings
    Categories: Five, Pasta
    Yield: 1 Batch

    4 tb Ground flax seed
    2 c Whole wheat flour
    2 lg Eggs
    1 ts Salt
    1 ts Baking powder *
    Water as needed

    * Why put baking powder in noodles, anyway? Egg noodles
    tend to be a little lighter in texture than regular pasta,
    and it's baking powder that gives them that boost.

    Combine flax seed, whole wheat flour, egg and salt in a
    medium bowl. Add and mix in 1 tablespoon of water at a
    time, until the dough is no longer sticky.

    Roll the dough out in a rectangle shape, as thin as you
    can. If it shrinks back, let it rest for about 10 minutes,
    then try again. Carefully roll it up like a jelly roll.
    Using a very sharp knife, cut it into 1/2 inch sections.
    Unroll the pieces, put unto a baking sheet with flour on
    it and let it rest/dry until you are ready to use it.

    P.S. These freeze well in ZipLoc bags.

    Adapted from a recipe of my Grandmother, Helen E. Moore

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Mon Apr 22 06:32:00 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    sensitive to changes. Other times I'll keep the recipe handy aas a reference for key ingredients--make sure I don't leave anything major out--and quite often, I'll wing it, especially if I've made it a
    gazillion times before.

    This is pretty much what I do. But don't tell Andrea. :)

    recipe and sees that it calls for 2 teaspoons of water. Blondie is in
    the living room so he yells in "is that heaping or level?". When we

    LOL.

    what could be heaping. I showed him the comic and for a long time, he'd see an ingredient and just ask "is it heaping or level?".

    My daughter will call and ask me from time to time "Did you measure this?"
    when she reads my recipes because when I write them down mostly I just
    guess at what I threw in. LOL Drives her crazy because she can't get things
    to taste exactly like mine. (Which is how I keep my POWER!!!!!!)

    Shawn

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 22 06:39:43 2024
    Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-

    to a restaurant for our supper. These days I leave the pork liver where found. Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep
    liver more than once. But never again pork liver.

    I wonder if you got a bad peice? I've cooked pork liver many many times
    and never had that issue. In order for me: Chicken Livers, Pork, Beef.
    Never tried sheep yet as everytime I order lamb from the farm he's out of
    organ meat.

    I gave the pasta roller to my sister-in-law and now buy pre-made from
    the store. Bv)=

    The only pasta I make regular are Lasagna noodles and perogies (SP),
    everything else we buy ready made. The Lasagna noodles I make are just
    so much better then the boxed ones. (Remember my kitchen is GF)

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Apr 21 15:33:36 2024
    Hi Dave,

    I've got a lot of "round tuits" many of which may never be gotten
    around to. But I do get a sense of satisfaction when I mark one off
    the list.

    My list is probably longer than I realise but it does feel good to get items marked off from time to time.

    Some people call that a bucket list.

    Either way, it's something to aim for. I told Steve earlier today that
    the quilt kit we picked up last September at the RV/radio net rally in
    TX will probably be put together next year. I'm trying to devote most of
    this year to UFOs but not getting as many done as I hoped to--latest
    hold up is a fall last Friday that didn't break anything but gave me
    some deep bruises on the left side of my back.


    I was young and energetic. These days I'm north of 80 and getting
    tired.

    I'm not there yet but times I feel much older. Other times I feel I'm
    too young to be this old. (G)

    But we all know someone our age (or a bit younger) who is in far wprse shape than we.

    I know the word to that song. Time has been kind to my physical shell
    and many people are amazed when they lear that I'm the age I am. "You
    sure don't look that old." To which my standard comeback is "Try
    looking through my eyes" Bv)=

    Work/keeping you active has probably kept you going.

    If it were onl;y possible to be old without getting old. Bv)=

    Did you ever see the movie or read the book "Tuck Everlasting"? We
    caught a bit of the movie one time, basically a family discovers a
    fountain of youth thing (we missed how) and their relationships with the "outside world" over the years. Don't know how it ended up.

    8<----- EDIT ----->8

    Meanwhile, local strawberries are beginning to hit the market.
    Steve RH> picked some up for me at the local farmer's market so we've
    had RH> strawberry short cake and a riff on a salad we'd had last year
    in RH> Fairbanks. Salad has candied pecans, craisins, bacon bits, feta
    cheese, RH> strawberries, greens (I used fresh spinach) and a balsamic
    vinegarette RH> dressing. We'll probably enjoy it a few more times
    before the end of RH> fresh strawberry season. (G)

    We're a bit behind you. Our season is mid-May to ...... We have
    several U-Pick and/or farm stands plus the farmer's market.

    I picked some up at one of the local grocery stores this afternoon.
    More strawberry salads and maybe a strawberry pie in the near future.

    I'm begiknning to see them in some of the stupormarkups as a high
    value. Suttill's Farm or Jefferies Orchard (local Farm stands) are offering
    onion set and seed potatoes on their signage. Apparetly nothing much
    is "in" just yet. And the current outdoors temp as I type this is 33o
    So it will be a bit before the plants take off.


    We'll have local berries from now until late May, then the local
    blueberries will take over, until early August, then we'll get local
    peaches.

    I've had something very much like this in the past. It wold be very
    easy to make with a pre-made graham cracher or chocolate cookie
    crust.


    Title: Big Guy Strawberry Pie
    Categories: Pies, Pastry, Fruits
    Yield: 6 Servings

    Among the recipies Steve's mom gave me when we first got married was
    something similar to this. Not quite as involved but probably just as
    good; I've made it probably most every spring since we've been married.
    I'll do one later this week with Steve helping to do the crust, etc as
    my back isn't in shape for things like that yet.


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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Shawn Highfield on Mon Apr 22 14:19:29 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Here's the one my Jewish friend taught me to make and it's perfect IMO. Basically the same but we don't over cook the liver.

    That does look good. I've saved that.

    A little something that's easy to make:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: One-Pan Potatoes & Chicken Teriyaki
    Categories: Main dish, Poultry
    Yield: 2 Servings

    2/3 lb (2 medium) potatoes
    -- cut into 1/2-inch wedges
    8 oz Chicken breasts
    -- (boneless and skinless)
    -- cut into 1/2-inch strips
    1 tb Vegetable oil
    1/4 c Sliced green onions
    2 tb Prepared teriyaki sauce

    Place potatoes in shallow 1-quart microwave-safe dish. Cover with
    plastic wrap, venting one corner. Microwave on HIGH 5 minutes until
    just tender. While potatoes cook, in medium nonstick skillet over
    high heat, toss and brown chicken in oil 5 minutes. Add potatoes;
    toss until potatoes are lightly browned. Add onions and teriyaki
    sauce; toss until heated through.

    NOTE: Microwave cooking times are based on a 700-watt microwave.
    Adjust cooking times to your own oven.

    Menu: Cucumber Salad, Lime Sherbet with Papaya Wedges

    Nutritional Information Per Serving: 280 calories; 9 g fat; 45 mg
    cholesterol; 740 mg sodium; 28 g carbohydrate; 3 g fiber; 21 g
    protein.

    Source: The Potato Board <recipes@potatoes.com>

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 22 14:24:58 2024
    Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    I respectfully disagree with those astute folks at Spruce. Cubed, to
    me, will *always* refer to mechanically tenderied meat(s).

    I think it may be also how one was raised as I rarely, if ever, had cubed steak. In my home, "cubed" was to mean "chopped into small cubes". I do
    like cubed steak, however, it's out of my budget. I'm now losing 14% of my monthly budget to Medicare which I don't actually need but I know if I don't get it now, I may not be able to get it later.

    Not quite Chun King - but close. Here's my entry:

    That looks tasty.

    This looks like something I might make this Thanksgiving for myself though reducing it to just two Cornish hens (four is a bit much):

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Orange Glazed Cornish Hens
    Categories: Main dish, Poultry
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1 lg Reynolds oven bag
    3 tb Flour; divided
    4 Cornish hens (1.5 lbs. each)
    1 c Orange marmalade
    2 tb Soy sauce
    1 1/2 ts Ground ginger

    Preheat oven to 350 F.

    Shake 1 tb. flour in oven bag; place in 13x9x2" baking pan. Wash
    hens; pat dry. Place hens in bag.

    In a small bowl, combine remaining flour, marmalade, soy sauce and
    ginger. Spoon sauce over hens in bag. Close bag with nylon tie; cut 6
    half-inch slits in top. Bake until juices run clear and hens are
    tender, 1 to 1/2 hours. Let stand in bag 5 minutes. Serve with
    sauce, if desired.

    In brochure that came with package of Reynolds large (19x23.5") oven
    bags. Richmond, VA: Consumer Products Division/Reynolds Metals
    Company, 1988. Typed for you by Cathy Harned.

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Sean Dennis on Tue Apr 23 06:14:16 2024
    Quoting Sean Dennis to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Basically the same but we don't over cook the liver.
    That does look good. I've saved that.

    With chicken liver even people who dislike chopped liver will like
    it. At least that's the case here as Andrea isn't a liver fan.

    Title: One-Pan Potatoes & Chicken Teriyaki

    Saved that one. My hours are changing so one pan / one person meals
    couple times a week are in my future.

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Shawn Highfield on Tue Apr 23 05:26:00 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    to a restaurant for our supper. These days I leave the pork liver
    where found. Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried
    sheep liver more than once. But never again pork liver.

    I wonder if you got a bad peice? I've cooked pork liver many many
    times and never had that issue. In order for me: Chicken Livers, Pork, Beef. Never tried sheep yet as everytime I order lamb from the farm
    he's out of organ meat.

    This was a one off, my mother learned from the butcher at the market
    where she bought the liver. Someone slipped a boar into the supplly
    chain and didn't me ntion it or something. According to the butcher
    boar's liver is supposed to be a separate item and all liver sold as
    pork live is supposed to be from sows.

    I gave the pasta roller to my sister-in-law and now buy pre-made
    from the store. Bv)=

    The only pasta I make regular are Lasagna noodles and perogies (SP), everything else we buy ready made. The Lasagna noodles I make are just
    so much better then the boxed ones. (Remember my kitchen is GF)

    Yeah, I know. 'Ats why I sent you the GF cookie recipe. As to making
    pasta - it was like a lot of my "accoplishments". I tried it to see
    how hard/involved it was after seeing it done or reading about it. And
    with some stuff it turns out that it really dows make a difference.

    Pasta, not so much. Well, Italian pasta. Some speciality noodles - it
    is worth it to make your own ... like the recipe I posted to you.

    Here's a recipe I've not tried but have eaten (as a dessert item). I'm
    pretty sure you could make these GF.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Varenyki (Filled Dumplings) Ukrainian
    Categories: Dumplings, Breads
    Yield: 10 Servings

    5 c Unbleached A-P flour
    1 ts Salt
    2 tb Butter
    1 c Evaporated milk; NOT
    - condensed milk
    1/2 c Water; as needed
    Filling; your choice

    Combine the flour and salt in a large bowl, forming a
    well in the middle. Add the butter and milk and mix
    lightly until the flour is absorbed. (Add a little warm
    water as needed.) Knead until the dough sticks together,
    cover and allow to rest for a few minutes, then knead
    until smooth. Cover and set aside. (This dough should
    be somewhat soft, since more flour will be added as the
    dough is rolled out.)

    Or, in a processor, combine the flour, salt, and butter,
    stirring a few times, then with the machine running, add
    liquids until a ball forms. Allow to rest for a few
    minutes and then process until smooth. Place the dough
    in a lightly oiled bowl, turn, and cover for about 30
    minutes. (It may be wrapped in plastic and refrigerated
    for a day or so, brought to room temperature and then
    rolled out.)

    Place a fourth of the dough on a floured work surface,
    re-covering the rest of the dough. Roll into a circle,
    starting at the center and rolling outwards to maintain
    an even thickness, turn over and again from the center,
    roll the dough out to about 1/8" thickness. Run a hand
    under the bottom to loosen it.

    With a 3" biscuit cutter or wine glass, cut into rounds.

    When done cutting, place 1 Tb of the filling on one side
    of each, flipping the other half over the top and sealing
    with your fingers or a fork. Make sure each is sealed or
    the filling will come out when cooked. Place each of the
    dumplings on a floured cookie sheet, keeping the
    dumplings covered with a towel. Repeat with remaining
    dough, saving the scraps until last. Use as little flour
    as possible in this process or the scraps will be come
    tough and heavy.

    Gently drop 12 to 15 varenyky into 3 quarts of boiling
    water, in a large wide pot or Dutch oven. Do NOT
    overcrowd. Stir and cook for about 3 to 4 minutes. Drain
    in a collander and place on a lightly oiled cookie sheet,
    shaking to coat with a thin film to prevent sticking. Do
    NOT pile the dumplings on top of each other as this
    distorts their shape. If the varenyky are to be frozen,
    remove with a slotted spoon when they float to the top.
    DO NOT overcook.

    To freeze. place in the freezer on an oiled cookie sheet
    when tepid (lukewarm). When they are rigid, store in
    tightly sealed plastic bags.

    TO SERVE: Varenyky may be poached, pan-fried or steamed,
    served as an accompaniment or meats or served with sour
    cream, chopped sauteed onions or fried bacon with a
    little bacon fat.

    As served at the Alabama Jam Picnic @ Pat Stockett's

    From: Don Houston

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Sean Dennis on Tue Apr 23 07:03:00 2024
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I respectfully disagree with those astute folks at Spruce. Cubed, to
    me, will *always* refer to mechanically tenderied meat(s).

    I think it may be also how one was raised as I rarely, if ever, had
    cubed steak. In my home, "cubed" was to mean "chopped into small
    cubes". I do like cubed steak, however, it's out of my budget. I'm
    now losing 14% of my monthly budget to Medicare which I don't actually need but I know if I don't get it now, I may not be able to get it
    later.

    Medicare is an "automatic" when you become 65. They nick the premium
    out of your Social Security cheque.

    Not quite Chun King - but close. Here's my entry:

    That looks tasty.

    This looks like something I might make this Thanksgiving for myself
    though reducing it to just two Cornish hens (four is a bit much):

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Orange Glazed Cornish Hens
    Categories: Main dish, Poultry
    Yield: 4 Servings

    I'm with you. I'd add this to the recipe:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Bacon-Cheddar Stuffing
    Categories: Breads, Pork, Vegetables, Herbs, Cheese
    Yield: 8 Servings

    16 oz Stale bagels; in 1" cubes
    2 Ribs celery; chopped
    1 lg Onion; chopped
    6 tb Butter; diced
    1 c Stale beer
    1 lb Bacon; cooked, crumbled
    1 tb + 1 1/2 ts minced fresh
    - thyme
    +=OR=+
    1 1/2 ts Dried thyme
    Salt & pepper
    1 c Chicken or pork stock
    1 lg Egg
    12 oz Cheddar cheese; shredded

    Set oven @ 350ºF/175ºC.

    Place bread in a single layer on two rimmed baking
    sheets. Bake for 15-20 minutes or until toasted, turning
    once. Cool completely on a wire rack.

    Saute celery and onion in butter in a large skillet over
    medium-high heat for 6-8 minutes or until tender. Reduce
    heat to medium; pour in beer. Bring to a boil; cook and
    stir for 2-4 minutes or until liquid is reduced to 1/2
    cup. Remove from the heat. Stir in bacon and thyme.
    Season with salt and pepper to taste.

    Whisk stock and egg in a large bowl. Add bread cubes and
    bacon mixture; toss until well coated. Fold in shredded
    cheddar.

    Spoon into a greased 2 quart baking dish. Bake, covered,
    for 30 minutes. Uncover; bake for 15-20 minutes longer
    or until top is golden brown.

    Or use to stuff butterfly pork chops.

    Stuffs 8 chops nicely. Leftover stuffing may be baked
    and served with a nice gravy as a side dish at another
    meal.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

    This recipe halves very easily (thank providence) and if you're stuffing
    two game hens the leftovers may be baked as a side dish for another meal.

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Mon Apr 22 12:06:44 2024
    Hi Dave,

    My house-mate also claims he can't eat onions because they give him
    for a DD> giggle I made calves liver w/bacon and onions and smothered
    it in a DD> nice gravy. He always claimed that he "hated" liver sonce
    his Navy DD> days. But he did second helpings on this. Bv)=

    Neither of our daughters are fans of liver; I served it a fair amount
    left home, she discovered baby beef liver was much more tender than regular beef (probably from an older cow or steer) liver.

    I grew up with liver 'n onions a common thing at our house. Lerned
    about liver 'n bacon at a local restaurant run by Isidro Valadaz and

    I think Steve grew up with liver and onions but we'll do it both ways.
    Years ago, on our move from Fort Devens, MA to Fort Huachuca, AZ (we
    drove cross country), we stopped somewhere in the mid west (IIRC,
    Indianna) for the night. There was a restaurant associated with the
    motel so we went there for supper--Steve ordered the liver. The next
    morning we went back there for breakfast and he noticed buckwheat
    pancakes were on the menu so ordered them. When they came out, looking
    grey-ish from the buckwheat flour, the girls thought he'd ordered liver pancakes. That's become the running joke in our family any time
    buckwheat pancakes were served.

    his American wife. After my dad died and Mom moved back to
    Springfield DD> she asked me to come live with her so she wouldn't be
    alone. That's DD> where I met the worst liver I've ever experienced. Ma
    got a "deal" on DD> liver at the stupormarkup and was going to make
    liver for dinner. That DD> produced one of the foulest odors I have
    ever had the misfortune to DD> get up my nose. Seems it was pork liver,
    from a boar that was in ryt. DD> We DD> opened all the doors and
    windows, turned the fans on high and went to DD> a restaurant for our
    supper. These days I leave the pork liver where DD> found.

    We tried pork liver once, when we were living on $500./month (early 80s,
    pre army) and food stamps. Once was enough; it wasn't as bad as your
    experience but just too strong for our tastes. Baby beef, calf's or
    chicken liver are our preferred choices now.


    Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep DD> liver
    more than once. But never again pork liver.

    We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.


    O. G. does have some decent dishes - but most of their stuff is on
    the profitable path of "Hey Diddle Diddle, Straight Up The
    Middle".

    I'm less and less enamored of it, the more I eat there. Best things on
    the menu are the tossed salad, breadsticks and chocolate lasagne, IMO.

    I find that most times that you ask an Italian "Where's the best
    Italian food in this town/area?" you'll get an answer very close to
    "My mother's kitchen!" Bv)=

    I'd probably have answered "my mother in law's kitchen" followed by "my kitchen", then depends on where we were living. We've encountered some

    But, you're not an Italian. Bv)=

    No, but when I cooked Italian for Steve's folks about 9 months after we were married, his mom said that I cook "like a good little dago". (G) Knocked her socks off one time a few years later with a lasagne (her recipe) but with home made noodles.

    I made pasta one time - more as a challenge to myself after watching
    Mario Batali on the Fod Network make it look so easy. At home, on my
    own and without video tape editing (or experience) it proved somewhat
    more problematic. And it's just like (almost) my recipe for egg
    noodles I got from my grandmother ... using different flour and
    finishing steps.

    We had the attachment with our Oster Kitchen Center, also got it for the Kitchen Aide but have bought it more than making it. Partly stems from
    the fact that I don't have the space to dry it, counter space is
    limited, table space even more so. Used to have a chest freezer and washer/dryer in the kitchen that could be used as extra flat surfaces
    but freezer is now an upright, laundry stuff in in a hallway alcove.

    I gave the pasta roller to my sister-in-law and now buy pre-made
    from DD> the store. Bv)=

    So much easier, especially now that whole wheat pasta is more readily
    available than it was when we first started using it in the mid 70s. Had
    to buy it in GNC (stateside) or Reformhaus (health food store) in
    Germany.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Mon Apr 22 12:23:50 2024
    Hi Shawn,

    sensitive to changes. Other times I'll keep the recipe handy aas a reference for key ingredients--make sure I don't leave anything major out--and quite often, I'll wing it, especially if I've made it a
    gazillion times before.

    This is pretty much what I do. But don't tell Andrea. :)

    I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
    up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

    recipe and sees that it calls for 2 teaspoons of water. Blondie is
    in RH> the living room so he yells in "is that heaping or level?". When
    we

    LOL.

    what could be heaping. I showed him the comic and for a long time, he'd see an ingredient and just ask "is it heaping or level?".

    My daughter will call and ask me from time to time "Did you measure
    this?" when she reads my recipes because when I write them down mostly
    I just
    guess at what I threw in. LOL Drives her crazy because she can't get things to taste exactly like mine. (Which is how I keep my
    POWER!!!!!!)

    When she first got married, our older daughter called me quite often to
    get recipies so I'd dictate, with tweaks, to her. Now I'll take a
    picture, text it to her but note if there's anything I do different from
    how it's printed. (I think some of the calls were more just to talk;
    she'd moved to an area where the only one she initally knew was her
    husband.)

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Tue Apr 23 19:40:28 2024
    Dave Drum wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Medicare is an "automatic" when you become 65. They nick the premium
    out of your Social Security cheque.

    I'm 51 and on it now but that's because I draw SSDI.

    I'm with you. I'd add this to the recipe:
    Title: Bacon-Cheddar Stuffing

    Saved. That looks delicious.

    This recipe halves very easily (thank providence) and if you're
    stuffing two game hens the leftovers may be baked as a side dish for another meal.

    Yes, I'd eat both as leftovers!

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: 30-Min: Chili Cornmeal Chicken
    Categories: Poultry etc, Chili
    Yield: 4 Servings

    3 tb Cornmeal
    1 tb All-purpose flour
    1 tb Chili powder
    1 ts Ground cumin
    1 ts Dried oregano
    1/4 ts Salt
    1 pn Cayenne pepper
    4 Chicken breasts, boneless,
    -skinless
    1 tb Vegetable oil

    Slice some juicy, fresh tomatoes while you steam green beans and new
    potatoes to serve with this dish.

    In shallow dish, combine cornmeal, flour, chili powder, cumin,
    oregano, salt and cayenne.

    Press chicken into mixture to coat all over. In nonstick skillet,
    beat oil over medium heat; cook chicken, turning once, for 10-15
    minutes or until no longer pink inside.

    4 servings for $5.92CDN [Aug 95]

    Per Serving: about 180 calories, 28 g protein, 5 g fat, 3 g
    carbohydrate,

    Source: Canadian Living magazine, Aug 95 Article "30-Minute Summer
    Suppers" Recipe by Canadian Living Test Kitchen

    [-=PAM=-] PA_Meadows@msn.com

    MMMMM

    -- Sean

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Shawn Highfield on Tue Apr 23 19:41:43 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    With chicken liver even people who dislike chopped liver will like
    it. At least that's the case here as Andrea isn't a liver fan.

    I am a big fan of lightly fried chicken gizzards. Only person in my family
    who likes them. I share a love of ginger snaps and real licorice with my
    mom but with eggnog, like gizzards, I stand alone. XD

    Saved that one. My hours are changing so one pan / one person meals couple times a week are in my future.

    I thought you'd like that one. I enjoy "one-pan" and "one dish" dinners
    also. I do love my George Foreman grill, my Instant pot, and slow cooker. It's nice to be able to whip up something quickly.

    Unfortunately, my long-term use of doxycycline (because of my MRSA
    infection) has made me permanently nauseated and all I can eat are saltines.
    I was taken off of doxycycline and am being put on minocycline which
    shouldn't cause that nausea though nausea is a side effect of all
    "cyclines".

    Here is a recipe I transcribed from a YT video. I might acutally make this
    as my financial belt, thanks to Medicare, is so tight that my wallet refuses
    to open for anything but bills I owe.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Milk Soup (Soviet-era)
    Categories: Main dish, Russian, Pasta, Sean Dennis
    Yield: 2 Servings

    1 c (250 mL) Uncooked pasta
    2 c (500 mL) water
    2 c (500 mL) milk
    1 t (5 mL) salt
    2 T (30 mL) butter
    2 T (30 mL) sugar

    Boil water. Add salt to water. When water is boiling, add pasta.
    Boil until pasta almost ready (discard pasta water if you want soup
    less salty; I do not). Pour milk to pasta mix. Mix in sugar and
    butter. Lower temperature to low and let simmer for few minutes until
    pasta ready. Serve hot with side of buterbrod.

    Recipe by Boris of "Life of Boris" on YouTube.

    More info on buterbrod:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0KcoZhG3oE ("Life of Boris" channel)

    From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqolE_j_90 ("Life of Boris"
    channel)

    Transcribed to MealMaster format by Sean Dennis (1:18/200@Fidonet;
    616:618/10@Micronet) on 23 April 2024.

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to SEAN DENNIS on Wed Apr 24 06:30:00 2024
    Quoting Sean Dennis to Shawn Highfield <=-

    I am a big fan of lightly fried chicken gizzards. Only person in my family who likes them. I share a love of ginger snaps and real
    licorice with my mom but with eggnog, like gizzards, I stand alone. XD

    I like those as well, my Son will eat them with me but he's about it.
    However because the chicken hearts used to be so cheap my family all eat
    those as I told them 20 years ago they were chicken nuggets. ;)

    saltines. I was taken off of doxycycline and am being put on
    minocycline which shouldn't cause that nausea though nausea is a side effect of all "cyclines".

    Well it's one way to lose weight.

    Shawn

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to DAVE DRUM on Wed Apr 24 06:37:00 2024
    Quoting Dave Drum to Shawn Highfield <=-

    boar's liver is supposed to be a separate item and all liver sold as
    pork live is supposed to be from sows.

    Ohhh I get it now.

    how hard/involved it was after seeing it done or reading about it. And with some stuff it turns out that it really dows make a difference.

    I prefer the home made ones for Lasagna but for anything else store brands
    are good enough.

    Here's a recipe I've not tried but have eaten (as a dessert item). I'm pretty sure you could make these GF.
    Title: Varenyki (Filled Dumplings) Ukrainian

    Yes quite easy. I saved it but it's not really Andrea's thing so I'll
    run it past her first.

    Shawn

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to RUTH HAFFLY on Wed Apr 24 06:41:00 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
    up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

    Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Apr 24 05:29:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    We tried pork liver once, when we were living on $500./month (early
    80s, pre army) and food stamps. Once was enough; it wasn't as bad as
    your experience but just too strong for our tastes. Baby beef, calf's
    or chicken liver are our preferred choices now.

    Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
    more than once. But never again pork liver.

    We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.

    Here's a chicken liver recipe from Ian Hoare's friend Denis who does a
    far better job with English than I could with French. I made this once
    and it was tasty ... but I had a problem finding the cognac to "flame"
    at the finish. Wound up using some Christian Brothers brandy I scored
    from an Episcopal priest .... as near as I could figure the call out
    in the recipe was the equivalent for a teaspoonful. I used a tablespoon
    and let it burn a bit longer to burn off the alcohol.

    I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
    it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Salade de Foies [Livers Salad]
    Categories: Offal, Poultry, Pork, Salads, Booze
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1/4 lb Smoked bacon
    1 lg Onion
    Black pepper
    1 lb Chicken livers
    1/4 fl Cognac
    Salt; (opt)
    Water-cress

    Cut bacon in sticks; put over low heat in a large skillet.
    Chop the onion finely; when the fat of bacon is
    translucent and some has melted in the pan, add the
    chopped onion.

    Clean thoroughly the livers. When onion is wilted,
    increase the heat to high, add pepper, livers and saute
    them a few minutes, until they color to brown-black and
    begin to sweat some blood drops.

    Add the cognac, deglaze a few seconds, then flame, let
    burn a few seconds, then turn the heat off, wait until
    flames disappear, cover, let rest 1 or 2 minutes.

    Dress a bed of water cress in each plate, ladle livers and
    juices evenly, serve immediatly with toasted french bread
    and a good dry rose wine.

    Notes:

    Salt is normally not needed, as bacon is already salted;
    if however needed, add it just before serving.

    No need of seasoning the salad, there's enough juices.

    The point is, if overcooked, livers are tough and dry, if
    undercooked, they're raw. One has to have to find the good
    moment, but awaiting for blood drops appearance, and not
    more, seems the good way.

    Recipe & MM by Denis R Clement, LMY, 03/1998

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Sean Dennis on Wed Apr 24 06:00:00 2024
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Medicare is an "automatic" when you become 65. They nick the premium
    out of your Social Security cheque.

    I'm 51 and on it now but that's because I draw SSDI.

    My sister was on Medicare early because of disability. She'd been going
    to university to complete a Master's in Public Health Administration when
    she was declared "disabled" and force to give up her job. The student
    loans people could not touch her SSDI. But when she turned 65 and was put
    on regular Social Security they garnished damned near all of her cheque.

    I'm with you. I'd add this to the recipe:
    Title: Bacon-Cheddar Stuffing

    Saved. That looks delicious.

    It is. And you can cheat on the English muffins with store bought cubes
    of bread for stuffing. I've done both and can't detect and difference in flavour and very slight variance in texture.

    This recipe halves very easily (thank providence) and if you're
    stuffing two game hens the leftovers may be baked as a side dish for another meal.

    Yes, I'd eat both as leftovers!

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: 30-Min: Chili Cornmeal Chicken
    Categories: Poultry etc, Chili
    Yield: 4 Servings

    I just banged this one in for posting as part of a Top 10 list. So
    you'll see it again. I confess I dunno why Deb ditches the skin - I
    may have to make it twice to find out.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Cornmeal Fried Chicken
    Categories: Poultry, Breads, Herbs, Dairy
    Yield: 6 servings

    1/2 c Dry bread crumbs
    1/2 c Cornmeal
    1/3 c Grated Parmesan cheese
    1/4 c Minced fresh parsley
    +=OR=+
    4 ts Dried parsley flakes
    3/4 ts Garlic powder
    1/2 ts Salt
    1/2 ts Onion powder
    1/2 ts Dried thyme
    1/2 ts Pepper
    1/2 c Buttermilk
    4 lb Broiler/fryer chicken;
    - skinned, cut up
    1 tb Butter; melted

    In a large shallow dish, combine the first 9
    ingredients. Place the buttermilk in a shallow bowl.
    Dip chicken in buttermilk, then dip in bread crumb
    mixture, a few pieces at a time, and turn to coat.

    Place in a 13" X 9" baking pan coated with cooking
    spray. Bake @ 375oF/190oC for 10 minutes; drizzle with
    butter. Bake until juices run clear, 30-40 minutes
    longer.

    Deborah Williams, Peoria, Arizona

    Makes: 6 servings

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.tasteofhome.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Wed Apr 24 11:42:57 2024
    Hi Shawn,


    I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
    up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

    Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)

    It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the
    captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,
    NS. He was able to pull in at Sydney, NS and one of the tours available
    was to the Alexander Graham Bell museum at Badeck. We went on that,
    didn't have as much time as we would have liked at the museum so that
    got us thinking about possibly driving up some day. We also stopped in
    Halifax, NS the next day and did a harbor tour.

    The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise ship
    we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the main
    dining room for supper but other times were on our own so Steve and I
    usually headed to the buffet deck for breakfast and lunch. Had a good
    long (probably about 2 hours) talk one morning over an extended
    breakfast with a couple from England on a wide variety of topics.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Apr 24 11:54:05 2024
    Hi Dave,


    Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
    more than once. But never again pork liver.

    We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.

    Here's a chicken liver recipe from Ian Hoare's friend Denis who does a
    far better job with English than I could with French. I made this once
    and it was tasty ... but I had a problem finding the cognac to "flame"
    at the finish. Wound up using some Christian Brothers brandy I scored
    from an Episcopal priest .... as near as I could figure the call out
    in the recipe was the equivalent for a teaspoonful. I used a
    tablespoon and let it burn a bit longer to burn off the alcohol.

    I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
    it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.

    We'll probably look into some alternative way to give it a bit of the
    same flavor but without the fire. Those are recipies we leave to those
    cooks with more experience in that line (G) ....fun to try eating but
    not one that I'd want to try making.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 26 06:03:05 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,

    If you make it to this part of Ontario be sure to let us know.

    The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise
    ship we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the

    We haven't done a cruise yet, though friends of ours keep telling us to
    try one.

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Shawn Highfield on Thu Apr 25 16:01:00 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    boar's liver is supposed to be a separate item and all liver sold as
    pork live is supposed to be from sows.

    Ohhh I get it now.

    how hard/involved it was after seeing it done or reading about it. And with some stuff it turns out that it really dows make a difference.

    I prefer the home made ones for Lasagna but for anything else store
    brands are good enough.

    Here's a recipe I've not tried but have eaten (as a dessert item). I'm pretty sure you could make these GF.
    Title: Varenyki (Filled Dumplings) Ukrainian

    Yes quite easy. I saved it but it's not really Andrea's thing so I'll
    run it past her first.

    These were a dessert ravioli/pierogi/varenky with strawberry jam filling
    served in a sour cream sauce. Quite tasty.

    I am a fan, too, of toasted ravioli (St. Louis Style) served in a good
    red marinara gravy.

    These can be boiled or toasted - either way looks decent.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Gluten Free Ravioli or Tortellini
    Categories: Five, Pasta
    Yield: 1 recipe

    1 1/2 c (202.5 g) G-F A P Flour.
    1 tb Extra virgin olive oil
    1/2 c Very warm water
    2 c Steamed spinach; (opt)
    Salt for water
    Pasta sauce.

    MMMMM-------------------------FILLINGS-------------------------------
    Pesto
    Hummus
    Tapenade
    . Ground beef/pork/poultry;
    . - cooked
    Cheese
    Mashed potatoes, etc.

    Measure and add A-P Gluten Free Flour to a large bowl
    and form a shallow well in the flour. Add the oil and
    water a little at a time into the flour well and mix
    with pastry blender or fork until it all comes together
    into a smooth ball or disc. If adding steamed spinach,
    add into the dough at this time. Wrap in clear plastic
    wrap and allow to rest for 30 minutes to 1 hour.

    Bring a large pot of water to boil with salt. Remove
    half of the pasta dough and leave the other half
    wrapped. Roll it into the shape desired: ravioli,
    tortellini, lasagne, etc. Roll a little thinner than
    lasagne noodles - remember that you're putting two
    pieces of dough together so you don't want the edges to
    be thick and doughy, but the dough shouldn't be so thin
    that it's easy for the fillings to poke through. It
    doesn't matter the shape you cut the dough, just as long
    as you have pairs that match.

    For ravioli, prepare a clean counter or pastry mat by
    dusting with A-P Gluten Free Flour and cut with a large
    biscuit cutter or roll into long strips, cutting into
    equal-sized squares or rectangles.

    Drop a dollop of filling in the middle of every 2 pieces
    of dough. Dab the edges with wet fingers, and press the
    two sides together to seal; press the tines of a fork
    into the edges if desired, to make sure they are sealed.
    Set filled ravioli aside on a plate and cover with a
    damp towel while making remaining ravioli.

    Drop into boiling water. Cook for about 3 minutes - the
    dough will become more translucent and the raviolis
    should float before removing with a slotted spoon.

    For tortellini, make the square or circle larger than
    with the ravioli because you'll need more dough to bring
    the edges together. Fill as directed above, then fold
    the dough over itself, one corner to the opposite, then
    pull the other two corners together and dab with water
    to make them stick. Follow the directions below for
    boiling as you would ravioli.

    Serve warm with your favorite sauce.

    NOTES: Recipe is easily doubled.

    Add 1 mixed egg to dough for richer flavor or if using a
    pasta roller.

    RECIPE FROM: https://gfjules.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 26 05:21:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Chicken/poultry liver is a favourite. And I've tried sheep liver
    more than once. But never again pork liver.

    We've never tried sheep's liver, never had the opportunity.

    Here's a chicken liver recipe from Ian Hoare's friend Denis who does a
    far better job with English than I could with French. I made this once
    and it was tasty ... but I had a problem finding the cognac to "flame"
    at the finish. Wound up using some Christian Brothers brandy I scored
    from an Episcopal priest .... as near as I could figure the call out
    in the recipe was the equivalent for a teaspoonful. I used a
    tablespoon and let it burn a bit longer to burn off the alcohol.

    I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
    it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.

    We'll probably look into some alternative way to give it a bit of the
    same flavor but without the fire. Those are recipies we leave to those cooks with more experience in that line (G) ....fun to try eating but
    not one that I'd want to try making.

    Accordig to the Wiki: "Flambiing reduces the alcohol content of the food modestly. In one experimental model, about 25% of the alcohol was boiled
    off. The effects of the flames are also modest: although the temperature within the flame may be quite high (over 500oC), the temperature at the surface of the pan is lower than that required for a Maillard browning reaction or for caramelization.

    Whether or not there is a change in flavor as a result of flambeing is unclear. Some claim that because the flame is above the food, and since
    hot gases rise, it cannot significantly affect the flavor. Indeed, experimental work shows that most people cannot tell the difference. That said, in an informal taste test conducted by the Los Angeles Times of
    two batches of caramelized apples (one flambeed and one simmered), one
    tester declared the "flambeed dish was for adults, the other for kids."
    Others, however, dispute this and quote celebrated French chefs who
    claim that flambeing is strictly a show-biz aspect of the restaurant
    business that ruins food but is done to create an impressive visual presentation at a dramatic point in the preparation of a meal."

    I have noted that setting it alight is always "at table" never in the
    kitchen. So the "show biz" claim in the Wiki article is on-target. And
    it does look spectacular - especially in a dimly lit bistro. Lights up
    the room ... which is OK so long as it doesn't set off the sprinklers.

    Here's a tasty dish for which I have recipes that call for setting it
    on fire and recipes that leave well enough alone.

    It's from America's Test Kitchen which means it's in fine detail and
    fulll of minutae. I can almost see Mr. Bow Tie McPrissy (Christopher
    Kimball - not retired) presenting it on their PBS TV show. Be sure to
    read my note at the bottom. Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Steak Diane
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Wine, Booze
    Yield: 6 Servings

    4 tb Oil
    4 ts Tomato paste
    1 1/3 c Onions
    1/2 c Whole carrots
    4 cl Garlic
    1/4 c Water
    4 ts Unbleached A-P Flour
    1 1/2 c Dry red wine
    3 1/2 c Beef broth
    1 3/4 c Chicken broth
    2 ts Black pepper
    3 ts Fresh thyme
    2 Whole bay leaves
    48 oz Strip steak
    2 tb Shallot
    1/4 c Cognac
    2 ts Dijon mustard
    2 tb Butter
    1 ts Worcestshire sauce
    2 tb Chives

    FOR SAUCE: Heat 2 tablespoons of oil and tomato paste in
    a dutch oven over medium high heat. stir constantly,
    until brown, about 3 min. Add onions, carrot, garlic
    (all chopped fine). Cook stirring until brown about 2
    minutes. Add 2 Tbsp water when needed to prevent
    scorching. Add flour cook 1 minute. Add wine, stir
    bottom of pan to get off browned bits. bring to boil.
    stir constantly until thickened; add beef, chicken broth
    and rest of herbs. bring to boil and cook uncovered,
    occasionally scraping bottom and sides until reduced to
    2 1/2 cups. 35-40 minutes.

    Strain mixture pressing solids to get all liquid. About
    1 3/4 cups.

    FOR STEAKS: Heat 1 tbsp oil in a 12 in skillet over
    medium high heat. until smoking. Meanwhile, season
    steaks w/salt and pepper. Place 2 steaks (that you have
    pounded to 1/2" thick, and cut away excess fat) in the
    skillet and cook until well browned 1 1/2 minutes per
    side. Transfer steaks to large platter and tent with
    foil. Do second batch.

    FOR SAUCE: Off heat add last of oil and shallot to the
    now empty skillet. Using residual heat cook, stirring
    frequently until soft and brown 45 seconds. Add cognac
    and let stand until warm (10 seconds), then set skillet
    over high heat. Using long match ignite the cognac and
    shake skillet until flames subside, then simmer the
    cognac until reduced to about 1 tablespoon, 10 seconds.
    Add sauce base, mustard and simmer until thickened and
    reduced to 1 cup, 2-3 minutes. Whisk in butter. Off the
    heat add worchestshire sauce and accumulated juices from
    the steaks, and 1 tablespoon of chives (chopped). Season
    to taste.

    Serve steaks with sauce and chives. Immediately.

    UDD NOTE: This recipe is included in my archives to
    help illustrate the sillinesses that some people get
    up to. It stands scant chance of being converted to
    "UDD's Kitchen" status.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.americastestkitchen.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Apr 26 06:06:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
    up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

    Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)

    It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,
    NS. He was able to pull in at Sydney, NS and one of the tours available was to the Alexander Graham Bell museum at Badeck. We went on that,
    didn't have as much time as we would have liked at the museum so that
    got us thinking about possibly driving up some day. We also stopped in Halifax, NS the next day and did a harbor tour.

    The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise
    ship we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the
    main dining room for supper but other times were on our own so Steve
    and I usually headed to the buffet deck for breakfast and lunch. Had a good long (probably about 2 hours) talk one morning over an extended breakfast with a couple from England on a wide variety of topics.

    Easiest way yo get to Toronto from N.S. would be to drop back into the
    States and point west on I-90 to Buffalo, NY then tip it north to Toronto.

    I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few
    areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in Canuckistan
    you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and
    zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.

    Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Home Canned Spiced Peaches (My Grandmother's Recipe)
    Categories: Fruits, Spices, Preserving
    Yield: 7 Quarts

    MMMMM--------------------------PEACHES-------------------------------
    10 lb Peaches (abt 15 large)
    14 Cinnamon sticks
    3 1/2 ts Whole cloves
    3 1/2 ts Whole allspice

    MMMMM---------------------------SYRUP--------------------------------
    12 c Granulated sugar
    +=OR=+
    6 c Granulated sugar (for light
    - syrup)
    12 c Water

    Prepare your water bath canner and clean jars. Start the
    canner coming to a boil. If it is ready before the fruit
    you can turn it off. It will come back to a boil very
    quickly when you are ready.

    Put spices into the jars. 1/2 teaspoon of whole
    allspice, 1/2 teaspoon of cloves, 2 whole cinnamon
    sticks per jar.

    Prepare desired sugar syrup by heating water and sugar
    in a sauce pan until sugar is dissolved. Set it aside.

    Blanch peaches by dipping in boiling water for 30-60
    seconds. Use a large slotted spoon and do 5 peaches at a
    time. Immediately remove peaches to a sink or bowl with
    ice water to stop the cooking.

    Slice each peach in half along the natural line of the
    peach. The skin will slip off easily after it is cut.
    Remove skin, pit, and any little fragments of pit left
    in the peach.

    Fill one jar at a time. Each peach half is supposed to
    be packed pit side down. As you fill a jar, cover the
    peaches with hot syrup leaving 1/2" head space.

    Load 7 quarts into a boiling water bath canner. Make
    sure the jars are covered by at least 2" of water.

    Bring the water back to a boil. Process for 30 minutes.

    Remove jars of peaches and place on a towel to cool.
    Allow them to come to room temperature. The lids will
    seal at this time. Any lids that do not seal need to be
    processed again or refrigerated and eaten within a week.
    Sealed jars can be labeled and stored on a shelf out of
    direct light for up to two years.

    By: Mrs. George W. Moore

    FROM: St. Martha's Guild, St. Paul's Episcopal Church,
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Sean Dennis on Fri Apr 26 17:26:46 2024
    Re: Re: Cookware (part #2)
    By: Sean Dennis to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 19 2024 08:13 pm

    Dave Drum wrote to Carol Shenkenberger <=-

    https://www.thespruceeats.com

    See my quote from the same website about the terms "cube", "dice", and "chop" to xxCarol in this same packet.

    Continuing on my theme for this packet:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Mom's Chop Suey
    Categories: Main dish
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 c Pork or chicken, chopped
    3/4 c Onion, chopped
    2 tb Sugar
    2 tb Soy sauce
    1 lg Can Chinese vegetables

    Fry meat until nearly done. Add sugar, soy sauce, and juice from
    canned veggies. Add onion and cook until tender. Add veggies. Add 1c
    water. Thicken with corn starch <take 1/4c cold water and 2T corn
    starch>.

    Serve hot with rice and chow mein noodles.

    From Gemini's MASSIVE MealMaster collection at www.synapse.com/~gemini

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to DAVE DRUM on Sat Apr 27 05:57:00 2024
    Quoting Dave Drum to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
    into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.

    Zooming on the 401 is only possible in the middle of the night and even
    then you'll probably hit a traffic jam.

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Fri Apr 26 13:51:31 2024
    Hi Shawn,


    It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the captain had to cancel our stops in Bar Harbor, ME and St, John's Bay,

    If you make it to this part of Ontario be sure to let us know.

    Will do, we might make it a part of a trip to VT. We'll be going up
    again this year, hopefully no disaster relief this time but "normal"
    VBS, community service and so on. Maple creemees will be a must.


    The cruise was nice--food was good but I think the Celebrity Cruise
    ship we were on back in 2017 was even better. We ate together in the

    We haven't done a cruise yet, though friends of ours keep telling us
    to try one.

    We thought our first Alaska one would be the "one and only", then
    Steve's mom wanted to do a family one to New England. While on that one,
    Steve decided to book another Alaska trip to catch some of the things we
    didn't on the first trip.

    His parents and sisters have done a good bit of cruising but my parents
    never did. Could be because Dad was WWII, Navy. One of my mom's sisters
    did a fair amount of winter cruises to the Carribean area, especially
    after her mom had a series of strokes, et. It was one way she could get
    away for a few days yet be close enough to home (New Jersey) if needed.
    After her mom passed away, she ranged further in her travels.

    On our last cruise, since we didn't have family with us, we did
    something differrent for the evening meal. We said that we would share a
    table with whoever the wait staff would seat with us. As a result, we
    shared the table with people from all over the world, quite an
    interesting experience talking with them. One night we had all Americans
    at the table but from different parts of the country so again, we had
    quite the interesting conversation. That's been one of the fun parts of
    these cruises--get to meet people from all over the world, with life
    stories so different from yours.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 26 14:09:02 2024
    Hi Dave,

    I've not made it without the flambe step so I don't know what effect
    it would have on the taste/texture of the finished dish.

    We'll probably look into some alternative way to give it a bit of the
    same flavor but without the fire. Those are recipies we leave to those cooks with more experience in that line (G) ....fun to try eating but
    not one that I'd want to try making.

    Accordig to the Wiki: "Flambiing reduces the alcohol content of the
    food modestly. In one experimental model, about 25% of the alcohol was boiled off. The effects of the flames are also modest: although the temperature within the flame may be quite high (over 500oC), the temperature at the surface of the pan is lower than that required for
    a Maillard browning
    reaction or for caramelization.

    I think it's more for the WOW! effect than anything else.

    I have noted that setting it alight is always "at table" never in the kitchen. So the "show biz" claim in the Wiki article is on-target. And
    it does look spectacular - especially in a dimly lit bistro. Lights up
    the room ... which is OK so long as it doesn't set off the sprinklers.

    It definatly is an eye catcher, especially if they dim the lights. Our
    last couple of cruises were on Princess line ((The Love Boat) ships;
    they did a Baked Alaska parade one night at dinner. Basically, get
    everyone seated, eating and almost ready for dessert. Then they dimmed
    the lights in the dining room and paraded around with about a dozen
    flaming Baked Alaskas. Not sure as I didn't get a close up look as to
    how they kept the flames going but it was quite the show, especially the
    night they did it on the Alaska trip--we'd spent the day cruising in
    Glacier Bay.

    Here's a tasty dish for which I have recipes that call for setting
    it DD> on fire and recipes that leave well enough alone.

    It's from America's Test Kitchen which means it's in fine detail and
    fulll of minutae. I can almost see Mr. Bow Tie McPrissy (Christopher Kimball - not retired) presenting it on their PBS TV show. Be sure to
    read my note at the bottom. Bv)=

    Title: Steak Diane
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Wine, Booze
    Yield: 6 Servings

    I've got the recipe as I've got several ATK compilation books and a
    couple of years of the magazine. IIRC, I've seen a (very) few of the
    shows but have enjoyed reading the magazine to find out just "how did
    they do that". Tried a few recipies from the magazine but most of them
    were not really to our taste.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Apr 26 14:18:33 2024
    Hi Dave,


    I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
    up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

    Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)

    It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the


    Easiest way yo get to Toronto from N.S. would be to drop back into the States and point west on I-90 to Buffalo, NY then tip it north to
    Toronto.

    We have family in western NY so it would be an easy trip from there.
    Another possibility would be in conjunction with our mission trips to
    VT, but then, we usually stop in NY as part of those.


    I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in

    We've towed on all kinds of roads so it wouldn't be a problem. As long
    as the GPS is accurate and traffic is flowing well, cities are not a
    problem. Last year we went thru Austin on a Saturday afternoon--lots
    more traffic and construction than we'd anticipated but the GPS was
    accurate and we got thru without incident.


    Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and
    zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.

    Depends on what other plans we have. This year there's no graduations or weddings, other trips are spaced so that we're not going any further
    west than Ohio. Have to plan the western trips well in advance since
    we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
    that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
    house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
    a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to
    Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.

    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Mickey@1:229/307 to Shawn Highfield on Sat Apr 27 23:10:04 2024
    Re: Real Deal
    By: Shawn Highfield to DAVE DRUM on Sat Apr 27 2024 05:57:00

    Zooming on the 401 is only possible in the middle of the night and even
    then you'll probably hit a traffic jam.

    Shawn


    THAT'S Guaranteed! Stupid people. :)


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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:154/700 to RUTH HAFFLY on Sun Apr 28 07:14:00 2024
    Quoting Ruth Haffly to Shawn Highfield <=-

    If you make it to this part of Ontario be sure to let us know.
    Will do, we might make it a part of a trip to VT. We'll be going up
    again this year, hopefully no disaster relief this time but "normal"
    VBS, community service and so on. Maple creemees will be a must.

    Sounds good. When we are in the woods we'll tell campground owner you're coming and then he won't be "Full". LOL

    We thought our first Alaska one would be the "one and only", then
    Steve's mom wanted to do a family one to New England. While on that
    one, Steve decided to book another Alaska trip to catch some of the
    things we didn't on the first trip.

    We have friends who are addicted to crusing. They go on at least 2 a year.
    We cant' afford that, but maybe once in a lifetime we can save for it so
    that's what I've been trying to do.

    shared the table with people from all over the world, quite an
    interesting experience talking with them. One night we had all

    That would be something I would look forward too.

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Shawn Highfield on Sun Apr 28 05:51:00 2024
    Shawn Highfield wrote to DAVE DRUM <=-

    Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
    into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of the daughters is near.

    Zooming on the 401 is only possible in the middle of the night and even then you'll probably hit a traffic jam.

    It's been over 35 years since I was on the 401 - so I'm working from an idealized memory. My first "real" experience with Canada (other than
    nipping over the Ambassador Bridge to Windsor to drop a trailer laod of
    bottles off at Hiram Waler's plant in Walkerville was when I was Road
    Race Products manager for Hoosier tire. We were covering a race in
    Quebec at San Air Sp;eedway. Crossed iknto Canada at Thousand Islands
    point of entry and set off on the 401 to Montreal, thence on to St. Pie
    abd the racetrack. Stopped at a service plaza for some breakfast and to
    get the bad taste of our experience with the Douanes Canada minions
    strutting their stuff at the point of entry. Had a very nice breakfast
    and when I handed the cashier a U$20 bill and got C$30 and a bit more
    in change I remarked to my crew "I think I'm going to like this country." Bv)=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Canadian Rabbit Stew
    Categories: Game, Vegetables, Herbs, Breads
    Yield: 3 Servings

    1 lg Whole rabbit
    1 qt Water
    2 tb Cornstarch
    6 Sliced carrots
    6 md Potatoes; diced
    1 c Corn niblets
    1 c Green peas
    1 c Wax or green beans
    1 md Onion; chopped
    1 c Diced celery
    1 Bay leaf
    Salt & pepper

    MMMMM-------------------------DUMPLINGS------------------------------
    1 c A-P flour
    1 1/2 ts Baking powder
    1/2 ts Salt
    2 tb Chilled shortening or lard
    1/4 c (to 1/2 c) milk *

    * the less you use, the better the dumplings seem to
    hold together

    Boil the rabbit in the water until its meat is tender,
    then remove it from the pot and bone it. Put the meat
    into a large kettle, add 2 cups of the broth in which
    the rabbit was cooked, bring to a boil, and add a
    thickening sauce that you've made by stirring the
    cornstarch into 1/4 cup of the remaining rabbit broth.
    Allow the kettle's contents to boil for another minute,
    then reduce the heat. Add all the remaining ingredients.

    DUMPLINGS: Sift the dry ingredients together into a
    bowl, then cut in the shortening with a pastry blender
    until the mixture resembles coarse meal. Add the milk
    all at once, stir lightly just until the dough holds
    together, and then drop rounded tablespoonfuls of the
    mixture on top of the gently bubbling stew. With the
    heat adjusted so that the liquid just simmers, let the
    dumplings cook - uncovered - for 10 minutes, then cover
    and let them cook 10 minutes longer, or until the steam
    has fluffed them up nicely.

    If you need to thicken the stew, do so after removing
    the dumplings.

    Serve homemade tomato relish and cranberry sauce on the
    side, to give your hearty meal just the proper finishing
    touch.

    By George Fournier and Robert C. Winans

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.motherearthnews.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Apr 28 06:33:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I won't, probably good chance we'll never meet--unless we do the drive
    up to Nova Scotia with the camper some time.

    Then it's a short 8 or so hour drive here. ;)

    It's something we're thinking about. Back in fall of 2022 we did a New England/Canada cruise with Steve's family. Due to stormy weather the

    Easiest way yo get to Toronto from N.S. would be to drop back into the States and point west on I-90 to Buffalo, NY then tip it north to
    Toronto.

    We have family in western NY so it would be an easy trip from there. Another possibility would be in conjunction with our mission trips to
    VT, but then, we usually stop in NY as part of those.

    I'd not want to do it pulling a cramper trailer. But, other than a few areas of urban sprawl it can be a pretty drive. And once in

    We've towed on all kinds of roads so it wouldn't be a problem. As long
    as the GPS is accurate and traffic is flowing well, cities are not a problem. Last year we went thru Austin on a Saturday afternoon--lots
    more traffic and construction than we'd anticipated but the GPS was accurate and we got thru without incident.

    How did we get along before the GPS driving coach?

    Canuckistan you can jump on the 401, one of Canada's nice East-West highways and zoom west until you get to to Windsor. Then drop back
    into USA and the Interstate system and keep on West until one of
    the daughters is near.

    Shawn messaged me that "zooming" on the 401 will be clogged with traffic.
    But I thik that just in the urban sprawl of Toronto.

    Depends on what other plans we have. This year there's no graduations
    or weddings, other trips are spaced so that we're not going any further west than Ohio. Have to plan the western trips well in advance since
    we're usually gone about a month with them. Interesting, along the way, shopping in different supermarkets--found a Lowe's out in New Mexico
    that claimed no affiliation with the NC chain but did carry the same
    house brands. Harmon's, just down the road from our daughter in UT, has
    a good sized store that is very similar to Wegman's, maybe closer to Publix or a big Harris Teeter but a fun store to shop in.

    Never shopped in a Lowe's grocery store. Just their hardware/lumber/
    plumbing stores. And I find that I prefer Menard's (who carry groceries
    at really good price points) overall.

    For groceries locally I prefer Hy-Vee for staples, Humphrey's for meat
    and store-bought produce. With Hy-Vee I can order staple items, have their minions pick the and bag order and put it in my car - if I buy a U$25 or
    more order. And we know that's not hard to do in today's economy.

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    vision of what the author meant. Reading a book your mind builds your
    own vision ....

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Stuffed Red Peppers
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Rice, Herbs, Cheese
    Yield: 6 Servings

    6 md Red bell peppers
    1 lb Ground round
    1/2 White onion; diced
    2 cl Garlic; minced
    1/2 c Diced bell pepper; from the
    - tops you removed
    1/2 c Shredded carrots
    1/4 c Dry quick barley
    1/2 c Dry instant brown rice
    1 c Vegetable broth
    1 c Shredded mozzarella; divided

    Set oven @ 250oF/120oC.

    Cut tops off peppers; remove seeds and membranes. Place
    peppers in a large pot; cover with salted water. Bring
    to a boil; reduce heat, cover and simmer for 5 minutes.
    Drain peppers and set aside.

    In a large skillet, brown beef w/diced onion & garlic.

    Stir in bell pepper, carrots, barley, rice and broth.
    Simmer, covered, for 10 to 15 minutes.

    Stir in 1/2 cup cheese.

    Fill each bell pepper with beef mixture. Top each with
    remaining cheese and bake for 25 minutes.

    Source: Hy-Vee weekly ad from the week of March 6, 2013.

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.hy-vee.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:2320/105 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Apr 28 06:39:00 2024
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I think it's more for the WOW! effect than anything else.

    I have noted that setting it alight is always "at table" never in the kitchen. So the "show biz" claim in the Wiki article is on-target. And
    it does look spectacular - especially in a dimly lit bistro. Lights up
    the room ... which is OK so long as it doesn't set off the sprinklers.

    It definatly is an eye catcher, especially if they dim the lights. Our last couple of cruises were on Princess line ((The Love Boat) ships;
    they did a Baked Alaska parade one night at dinner. Basically, get everyone seated, eating and almost ready for dessert. Then they dimmed
    the lights in the dining room and paraded around with about a dozen flaming Baked Alaskas. Not sure as I didn't get a close up look as to
    how they kept the flames going but it was quite the show, especially
    the night they did it on the Alaska trip--we'd spent the day cruising
    in Glacier Bay.

    I prefer my restaurant lighting to be bright enough that I can see what
    I'm about to put in my mouth. And bright enough that I can read the menu without resorting to my cell phone's flashlight function.

    Here's a tasty dish for which I have recipes that call for setting
    it DD> on fire and recipes that leave well enough alone.

    It's from America's Test Kitchen which means it's in fine detail and
    fulll of minutae. I can almost see Mr. Bow Tie McPrissy (Christopher Kimball - not retired) presenting it on their PBS TV show. Be sure to
    read my note at the bottom. Bv)=

    Title: Steak Diane
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Herbs, Wine, Booze
    Yield: 6 Servings

    I've got the recipe as I've got several ATK compilation books and a
    couple of years of the magazine. IIRC, I've seen a (very) few of the
    shows but have enjoyed reading the magazine to find out just "how did
    they do that". Tried a few recipies from the magazine but most of them were not really to our taste.

    I might catch an episode or two not the Mr. Prissy has gone off bothering family members instead of the viewing public. Still, they remind me (or
    did) that, like with Consumer Reports, what's important to them is nor
    always important to me. They do get exhaustive sometimes.

    And for all their nit-pickiness they still manage to forget that a
    shepherd's pie is made with lamb/mutton. If it's made with beef or
    pork it's a "cottage pie". This recipe is really for a cottage pie.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Irish Comfort Classics Shepherd's Pie
    Categories: Beef, Potatoes, Dairy, Vegetables, Mushrooms
    Yield: 5 Servings

    1 1/2 lb 93% lean ground beef (ground
    - round) *
    2 tb + 2 ts water
    Salt & pepper
    1/2 ts Baking soda
    2 1/2 lb Russet potatoes; peeled,
    - in 1" chunks
    4 tb Unsalted butter; melted
    1/2 c Whole milk
    1 lg Egg yolk
    8 Scallions; green only, thin
    - sliced
    2 ts Oil
    1 lg Onion; peeled, chopped
    4 oz White mushrooms; trimmed,
    - chopped
    1 tb Tomato paste
    2 cl Garlic; minced
    2 tb Madeira or ruby port
    2 tb All-purpose flour
    1 1/4 c Beef broth
    2 ts Worcestershire sauce
    2 Sprigs fresh thyme
    1 Bay leaf
    2 Carrots; peeled, chopped
    2 ts Cornstarch

    * Don't use ground beef that's fattier than 93% or the
    dish will be greasy. (Drain the grease, doofus - UDD)

    Toss beef with 2 tablespoons water, 1 teaspoon salt,
    1/4 teaspoon pepper, and baking soda in bowl until
    thoroughly combined. Set aside for 20 minutes.

    Meanwhile, place potatoes in medium saucepan; add water
    to just cover and 1 tablespoon salt. Bring to boil over
    high heat. Reduce heat to medium-low and simmer until
    potatoes are soft and tip of paring knife inserted into
    potato meets no resistance, 8 to 10 minutes. Drain
    potatoes and return to saucepan. Return saucepan to low
    heat and cook, shaking pot occasionally, until any
    surface moisture on potatoes has evaporated, about 1
    minute. Remove pan from heat and mash potatoes well.
    Stir in melted butter. Whisk together milk and egg yolk
    in small bowl, then stir into potatoes. Stir in scallion
    greens and season with salt and pepper to taste. Cover
    and set aside.

    Heat oil in broiler-safe 10" skillet over medium heat
    until shimmering. Add onion, mushrooms, 1/2 teaspoon
    salt, and 1/4 teaspoon pepper; cook, stir occasionally,
    until vegetables are just starting to soften and dark
    bits form on bottom of skillet, 4 to 6 minutes. Stir
    in tomato paste and garlic; cook until bottom of skillet
    is dark brown, about 2 minutes. Add Madeira and cook,
    scraping up any browned bits, until evaporated, about 1
    minute. Stir in flour and cook for 1 minute. Add broth,
    Worcestershire, thyme, bay leaf, and carrots; bring to
    boil, scraping up any browned bits.

    Reduce heat to medium-low, add beef in 2" chunks to
    broth, and bring to gentle simmer. Cover and cook until
    beef is cooked through, 10 to 12 minutes, stirring and
    breaking up meat chunks with 2 forks halfway through.
    Stir cornstarch and remaining 2 teaspoons water together
    in bowl. Stir cornstarch mixture into filling and
    continue to simmer for 30 seconds. Remove thyme and bay
    leaf. Season with salt and pepper to taste.

    Adjust oven rack 5" from broiler element and heat
    broiler. Place mashed potatoes in large zipper-lock bag
    and snip off 1 corner to create 1" opening.

    Pipe potatoes in even layer over filling, making sure
    to cover entire surface. Smooth potatoes with back of
    spoon, then use tines of fork to make ridges over
    surface. Place skillet on rimmed baking sheet and broil
    until potatoes are golden brown and crusty and filling
    is bubbly, 10 to 15 minutes. Let cool for 10 minutes
    before serving.

    SHEPHERD'S PIE MAKEOVER: Between trimming, searing, and
    braising chunks of stew meat and then mashing and piping
    the potato topping, traditional shepherd's pie is an
    all-afternoon project. Plus, it's hefty fare. Here's how
    we freshened up the concept and got dinner on the table
    in about an hour.

    SWAP GROUND BEEF FOR STEW MEAT: Ground meat cooks in
    less than half the time required by bigger chunks and
    needs no butchering.

    SERVES 4 TO 6

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.americastestkitchen.com

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