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    From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Wed Jan 11 05:29:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Sounds good. The Legion and Auxillary do a pancake breakfast once a
    month as a fundraiser & the VFW has a chuck wagon (burgers and hot
    dogs) they take to community events as their major fund raiser.

    Post 32 (where my brother was commander for a couple of years) has
    "The Mess Hall" which is open to the public. It's a pub serving both
    food and "adult" beverages. Profits are a big part of the Post's

    Ours is a dry post and there's no "mess hall" operation. The kitchen is used for meals on AL (American Legion), MCL (Marine Corps League, VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) and ALA (American Legion Auxillary) meeting nights. It's also rented out one or two days a week for commercial
    bakers. The Hall is used by several groups during the week, including several that used to meet at the local senior center. That building was renovated and was about to reopen when Covid hit in 2020. They finally reopened about a year ago, then about a month later got hit by
    lightning and caught fire. Didn't destroy the whole building but as I understand things, they're having problems with the insurance companies that has to be settled before they can rebuild.

    Both Legion posts and both VFW posts are enthusiastically "wet". Post 32
    was originally downtown in rented space. It had a bar for members and their guests but AFAIK no one was ever asked to prove status. Anyway, the owneer
    of the property decided to build a vacant lot there in lieu of paying to
    repair the many violations of code that the building inspectors founs.

    It so happened that a bar & grill operation was up for sale with a big
    lot (room to park more than 100 cars) a good sized building with an up
    to date commercial kitchen, etc. And it was directly across the street
    from the Illinois State Fairground. In addition to the income from the
    pub aspects of the post a fair whack of $$$$ is made selling parking by
    the day during State Fair time. The post cooperates with other groups
    to man the parking deal. My motorcycle club (Vintage Iron Riders - (old
    folks and old bikes) got U$850 as our cut of the pot for parking cars
    and selling bottled water on a single day (not the busiest of the fair) mid-week.

    budget. They host a chilli cook-off as well as a couple of chicken-fry fund raisers every year. They are well known in the north end of
    town for their fried buzzard.

    Sounds like a worthy cause. The local fire department and one of the
    local churches do fish fries about once a year as fund raisers; we've supported the former more than the latter.

    They also host a car show and their motorcycle group (Legion Riders) do
    a motorcycle show and cruise. Main charity (recent,y) is sponsoring the
    "Honor Flights" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_Flight which were
    for WWII veterans. But as the number of survivors from that war has
    dwindled the focus has shifted to Keoran War and Vietnam era vets.

    8<----- Jump to chilli ----->B

    Around here, people like beans in their chili. That should increase the

    People in this area like beans (except kidney beans) in their red
    chilli. Chile Verde (green) not so much.

    Seems like anything goes here from what I've seen. The beanless chilis don't seem to do as well, despite our years of trying to educate folks
    as to what true chili is.

    Texas chauvanists have spent years trying to convince people that
    beans don't belog in chilli. Chilli was developed by trail cooks
    adding chilies and other spices to beef that had "gone off" due to
    lack of refrigeration. They added beans to the mix to stretch the
    budget since beans are waaaay less expensive than beef.

    I grew up with beans in my chili, have made it that way quite often myself. Added corn when Steve and I got married, until he realised his corn allergy. Now I'll make chili for us with tomatoes, meat, peppers
    and onions; for church competitions and pot lucks, I'll do chili the
    way I used to make it, making it on the mild side for chili wimps.

    My chilli is not meant for "wimps". It won't destroy your tongue but it
    will get your attention. A good bowl of chilli should leave you with a
    nice glow from the chilies and a memory of the flavour in that experience.

    I once made a batch intentionally mild as a concession to a specific
    person. As you will see in the notes - it didn't work.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Alabama Picnic Chilli
    Categories: Chilli, Vegetables, Herbs, Chilies, Stews
    Yield: 12 Servings

    5 lb Coarse-ground beef
    1 lg Onion; diced fairly fine
    1/2 c Green bell pepper; diced
    2 tb GFS or Minor's beef base
    1 ts Cocoa (Nestle or Hershey) *
    5 ts Powdered garlic granules
    1 tb Ground cumin
    48 oz Can tomato juice
    5 tb + (3 ts) chilli spice
    1/2 ts Fresh black pepper

    * NOT the hot chocolate drink mix with sugar and other
    nasties that don't go well in my chilli.

    Here is one of mine that is a good starting point for
    experimenting. I use my own chilli mix... but Gebhardt's,
    Mexene or Chilli Man will work pretty well. Ray's Chilli
    owner says he is bringing out a line of chilli mix as soon
    as he finds a spice company to mix and package to his
    recipe. Apparently it has different requirements from using
    spices to can chilli.

    Combine the beef base, tomato juice, chopped veggies, cocoa
    and 4 teaspoons of powdered garlic in a dutch oven over a low
    (simmer) flame.

    Divide the hamburger into three more-or-less equal batches
    and brown it in a separate skillet. Add 1 teaspoon of chilli
    spice per batch. When browned and crumbled drain excess fat
    and add to dutch oven. Repeat until all ground beef is in
    the chilli pot. Add the black pepper to the chilli pot.

    Stir in 1 tablespoon per pound of meat of the chilli powder
    (5 Tb for this batch). Cover pot and let simmer, stirring
    once in a while. When the onions and peppers are cooked
    (about 1 1/2 hr) taste the pot.

    You will probably find that you'll need to add the remaining
    tablespoon of garlic powder and the tablespoon of ground
    cumin. You may also want to add an additional tablespoon of
    chilli powder at this time. Trust me on the garlic and
    cumin. It adds the final kick.

    For those desiring a hotter product add cayenne until your
    lips turn numb and your sinuses drain if you like. I made
    this batch extra-mild in deference to picnic attendees who
    don't handle heat real well. Sadly, Maya Houston thought it
    was still too hot after she tasted a spoonful.

    As noted - this recipe starts extra mild as a base line in
    deference to the non chile heads for whom I made it. Add
    heat or chipotles to suit yourself. Black or pinto beans
    will work - add them AFTER the chilli is cooked.

    From: Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen
    Posted By: Dave Drum, xrated@cityscape.net
    Post Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Jan 11 14:47:18 2023
    Hi Dave,

    Typing one handed as the right hand is 95% wrapped to the wrist, orders
    not to even use the exposed fingers and thumb for a week. Makes life interesting. (G) Thankfully I have a relativly small keyboard.

    Post 32 (where my brother was commander for a couple of years) has
    "The Mess Hall" which is open to the public. It's a pub serving both
    food and "adult" beverages. Profits are a big part of the Post's

    Ours is a dry post and there's no "mess hall" operation. The kitchen is used for meals on AL (American Legion), MCL (Marine Corps League, VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) and ALA (American Legion Auxillary) meeting

    Both Legion posts and both VFW posts are enthusiastically "wet". Post
    32 was originally downtown in rented space. It had a bar for members
    and their guests but AFAIK no one was ever asked to prove status.
    Anyway, the owneer of the property decided to build a vacant lot there
    in lieu of paying to repair the many violations of code that the
    building inspectors founs.

    I'm not sure what the old builibg had; it was torn down to make space
    for the new city hall built just before we moved to WF. Town gave AL a
    lot and prefab building across from the post office as a replacement.

    It so happened that a bar & grill operation was up for sale with a big
    lot (room to park more than 100 cars) a good sized building with an up
    to date commercial kitchen, etc. And it was directly across the street from the Illinois State Fairground. In addition to the income from the
    pub aspects of the post a fair whack of $$$$ is made selling parking
    by the day during State Fair time. The post cooperates with other
    groups
    to man the parking deal. My motorcycle club (Vintage Iron Riders -
    (old folks and old bikes) got U$850 as our cut of the pot for parking
    cars
    and selling bottled water on a single day (not the busiest of the
    fair) mid-week.

    Sounds like a good deal there. Our church lets people park for free in
    its 2 lots when there's an event in town. We also give out bottled
    water, a tote bag and info about the church.

    for WWII veterans. But as the number of survivors from that war has dwindled the focus has shifted to Keoran War and Vietnam era vets.

    I've heard of honor flights, had some go out of RDU but none since 2019.

    People in this area like beans (except kidney beans) in their red
    chilli. Chile Verde (green) not so much.

    Seems like anything goes here from what I've seen. The beanless chilis don't seem to do as well, despite our years of trying to educate folks
    as to what true chili is.

    corn allergy. Now I'll make chili for us with tomatoes, meat, peppers
    and onions; for church competitions and pot lucks, I'll do chili the
    way I used to make it, making it on the mild side for chili wimps.

    My chilli is not meant for "wimps". It won't destroy your tongue but
    it will get your attention. A good bowl of chilli should leave you
    with a
    nice glow from the chilies and a memory of the flavour in that
    experience.

    Same here, for my true chili. I use an assortment of peppers so that the
    heat from them goes fairly evenly from the lips to the throat, no "one
    note on the roof of the mouth" taste.

    I once made a batch intentionally mild as a concession to a specific person. As you will see in the notes - it didn't work.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Alabama Picnic Chilli
    Categories: Chilli, Vegetables, Herbs, Chilies, Stews
    Yield: 12 Servings

    I've a friend like that, even a bell pepper is too hot for her.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Wed Jan 11 15:06:35 2023
    Hi Dave,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<

    and 4 teaspoons of powdered garlic in a dutch oven over a low
    (simmer) flame.
    this batch extra-mild in deference to picnic attendees who
    don't handle heat real well. Sadly, Maya Houston thought it
    was still too hot after she tasted a spoonful.

    As noted - this recipe starts extra mild as a base line in
    deference to the non chile heads for whom I made it. Add
    heat or chipotles to suit yourself. Black or pinto beans
    will work - add them AFTER the chilli is cooked.

    If I make my family style chili mild, I usually bring an assortment of
    powdered peppers and hot sauce so those that want heat can add to
    theirs. Once in HI I brought (among others) some powdered habenero. I'd
    labeled the top as HAB; one guy misread it as just HOT and sprinkled
    some on his bowl full of chili. After he cooled his mouth off, he asked
    me about it so I told him it was powdered habenero. He said he'd be sure
    to read the labelling better next time.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Jan 13 06:20:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Typing one handed as the right hand is 95% wrapped to the wrist, orders not to even use the exposed fingers and thumb for a week. Makes life interesting. (G) Thankfully I have a relativly small keyboard.

    Did they give you an "immobility" aid? I once broke the knuckle of my "signalling" finger on my right hand. The doctor had an aluminum sort
    of splint/appliance which he taped me into and it held the fingers in
    place. Wore that for a week then he switched me to one that just kept
    the finger with busted knuckle from moving.

    It so happened that a bar & grill operation was up for sale with a big
    lot (room to park more than 100 cars) a good sized building with an up
    to date commercial kitchen, etc. And it was directly across the street from the Illinois State Fairground. In addition to the income from the
    pub aspects of the post a fair whack of $$$$ is made selling parking
    by the day during State Fair time. The post cooperates with other
    groups to man the parking deal. My motorcycle club (Vintage Iron
    Riders - (old folks and old bikes) got U$850 as our cut of the pot
    for parking cars and selling bottled water on a single day (not the busiest of the fair) mid-week.

    Sounds like a good deal there. Our church lets people park for free in
    its 2 lots when there's an event in town. We also give out bottled
    water, a tote bag and info about the church.

    So the cost to park is accepting the propaganda. Bv)=

    for WWII veterans. But as the number of survivors from that war has dwindled the focus has shifted to Keoran War and Vietnam era vets.

    I've heard of honor flights, had some go out of RDU but none since
    2019.

    Central Illinois does a couple per year - in the spring and again in
    the fall. Each begins with a tour of the local war memorial sites that
    begins with Lincoln's tomb then the WWII memorial and the Korean War
    Memorial .... all in fairly close proximity and the tours arranged to
    require minimal walking. Then to Capital Airport and the silver bird
    to one of the three Washington aerodromes.

    People in this area like beans (except kidney beans) in their red
    chilli. Chile Verde (green) not so much.

    Seems like anything goes here from what I've seen. The beanless chilis don't seem to do as well, despite our years of trying to educate folks
    as to what true chili is.

    No bean chilli is known around here as Coney Island Sauce. Bv)=

    My chilli is not meant for "wimps". It won't destroy your tongue but
    it will get your attention. A good bowl of chilli should leave you
    with a nice glow from the chilies and a memory of the flavour in
    that experience.

    Same here, for my true chili. I use an assortment of peppers so that
    the heat from them goes fairly evenly from the lips to the throat, no
    "one note on the roof of the mouth" taste.

    Other than the chilies in the pre-made chilli spice mix I only do one
    large-ish jalapeno of average heat (no Biker Billys) for the flavour.

    I once made a batch intentionally mild as a concession to a specific person. As you will see in the notes - it didn't work.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Alabama Picnic Chilli
    Categories: Chilli, Vegetables, Herbs, Chilies, Stews
    Yield: 12 Servings

    I've a friend like that, even a bell pepper is too hot for her.

    But, but, but bell peppers have NO HEAT. Unless it's a "Mexi-bell" that resulted from a cross-pollination with the bell pepper's cousin a real
    chile .... most often a jalapeno. She may have gotten one of those once
    and the heat is now psychosomatic.

    If I make my family style chili mild, I usually bring an assortment of powdered peppers and hot sauce so those that want heat can add to
    theirs. Once in HI I brought (among others) some powdered habenero. I'd labeled the top as HAB; one guy misread it as just HOT and sprinkled
    some on his bowl full of chili. After he cooled his mouth off, he asked
    me about it so I told him it was powdered habenero. He said he'd be
    sure to read the labelling better next time.

    I never offer powder or flakes. Just a bottle of Cholula or Trappey's
    Red Devil. And NEVER EVER Tabasco which gives a sour vinegary pong to
    the chilli. I want the offered add-ins to enhance the flavour not cover
    or obscure it.

    Do you offer Texas Pete hot sauce which is made not far from you in winston-Salem? It's the 3rd best selling hot sauce in the land.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Dirty Dave's Coney Island Hot Dog Sauce
    Categories: Beef, Vegetables, Chilies
    Yield: 48 Servings

    1 1/2 lb Finely ground beef
    1 1/2 lb Minced beef heart
    1 lb Suet
    2 tb Minced garlic
    1 tb Yellow mustard
    6 oz Water
    6 oz Tomato paste
    3 tb Chilli spice mix
    Salt & pepper

    Render the suet in a large skillet and cook the hamburger
    and beef heart until the meat has no pink left, stirring
    to break up any hint of lumps.

    Add the garlic and mustard. Mix the tomato paste with
    the water and add to the skillet, stirring the while.
    Now stir in the chilli spice and salt and pepper as you
    wish. Continue to cook until the mixture is done.

    Place in a stainless steel steam table vessel for serving
    over good quality (preferably all-meat) hot dogs.

    Stir sauce before dipping onto the sandwich so as to
    incorporate plenty of red "oil" to soak into the good
    quality buns. Top each Coney dog with yellow mustard
    (unless it's for me) and chopped onions. And plenty of
    napkins to catch the oil that wants to run down the
    customer's arm and stain his shirt.

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Jan 13 14:28:07 2023
    Hi Dave,


    Typing one handed as the right hand is 95% wrapped to the wrist, orders not to even use the exposed fingers and thumb for a week. Makes life interesting. (G) Thankfully I have a relativly small keyboard.

    Did they give you an "immobility" aid? I once broke the knuckle of my "signalling" finger on my right hand. The doctor had an aluminum sort
    of splint/appliance which he taped me into and it held the fingers in place. Wore that for a week then he switched me to one that just kept
    the finger with busted knuckle from moving.

    Right now the first and middle fingers are wrapped together and there's
    some sort of support om my palm, then all is wrapped up just past the
    wrist toward the elbow. My ring and little fingers are fully free, and
    the thumb is partly so. When I go to the therapy appointment on Tuesday
    it'll be re-done. The knuckle of the middle finger was the one replaced.

    is made selling parking DD> by the day during State Fair time. The post
    cooperates with other DD> groups to man the parking deal. My motorcycle
    club (Vintage Iron DD> Riders - (old folks and old bikes) got U$850 as
    our cut of the pot DD> for parking cars and selling bottled water on a
    single day (not the DD> busiest of the fair) mid-week.

    Sounds like a good deal there. Our church lets people park for free in
    its 2 lots when there's an event in town. We also give out bottled
    water, a tote bag and info about the church.

    So the cost to park is accepting the propaganda. Bv)=

    No, they can decline the bag and still park. And, it's NOT! propaganda.

    for WWII veterans. But as the number of survivors from that war has dwindled the focus has shifted to Keoran War and Vietnam era vets.

    I've heard of honor flights, had some go out of RDU but none since
    2019.

    Central Illinois does a couple per year - in the spring and again in
    the fall. Each begins with a tour of the local war memorial sites that begins with Lincoln's tomb then the WWII memorial and the Korean War Memorial .... all in fairly close proximity and the tours arranged to require minimal walking. Then to Capital Airport and the silver bird
    to one of the three Washington aerodromes.

    A very full day as I recall. If I remember rightly, when they landed at
    RDU, the plane went thru a water salute from the airport fire
    department.

    No bean chilli is known around here as Coney Island Sauce. Bv)=

    We had some of that once--hardly any texture or heat to it. OK on a hot
    dog but not even close to what I'd call chili.


    Title: Alabama Picnic Chilli
    Categories: Chilli, Vegetables, Herbs, Chilies, Stews
    Yield: 12 Servings

    I've a friend like that, even a bell pepper is too hot for her.

    But, but, but bell peppers have NO HEAT. Unless it's a "Mexi-bell"
    that resulted from a cross-pollination with the bell pepper's cousin a real
    chile .... most often a jalapeno. She may have gotten one of those
    once and the heat is now psychosomatic.

    I don't know the story behind it. When we (both Steve and me, her &
    husband) were in HI, she got some kim chee when we went to a Korean
    restaurant once. One bite and her husband got the rest of it.


    If I make my family style chili mild, I usually bring an assortment of powdered peppers and hot sauce so those that want heat can add to
    theirs. Once in HI I brought (among others) some powdered habenero. I'd labeled the top as HAB; one guy misread it as just HOT and sprinkled
    some on his bowl full of chili. After he cooled his mouth off, he asked
    me about it so I told him it was powdered habenero. He said he'd be
    sure to read the labelling better next time.

    I never offer powder or flakes. Just a bottle of Cholula or Trappey's
    Red Devil. And NEVER EVER Tabasco which gives a sour vinegary pong to
    the chilli. I want the offered add-ins to enhance the flavour not
    cover or obscure it.

    I offer an assortment so people can choose their heat/flavor profile. Pseudo-Malinda's is usually the only liquid one, unless I happen to have something else on hand.

    Do you offer Texas Pete hot sauce which is made not far from you in winston-Salem? It's the 3rd best selling hot sauce in the land.

    No, never bought it but suppose I should, some day, It's the one that restaurants keep on the table with salt, pepper and pepper vinegar.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Jan 15 05:26:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Hi Dave,

    Typing one handed as the right hand is 95% wrapped to the wrist, orders not to even use the exposed fingers and thumb for a week. Makes life interesting. (G) Thankfully I have a relativly small keyboard.

    Did they give you an "immobility" aid? I once broke the knuckle of my "signalling" finger on my right hand. The doctor had an aluminum sort
    of splint/appliance which he taped me into and it held the fingers in place. Wore that for a week then he switched me to one that just kept
    the finger with busted knuckle from moving.

    Right now the first and middle fingers are wrapped together and there's some sort of support om my palm, then all is wrapped up just past the wrist toward the elbow. My ring and little fingers are fully free, and
    the thumb is partly so. When I go to the therapy appointment on Tuesday it'll be re-done. The knuckle of the middle finger was the one
    replaced.

    That's the same knuckle I busted. My fingers were taped to the aluminum appliance individually and the tape/wrapping ran to my writs - which was
    left flexible. When I asked the surgeon why they didn't just immobilise
    the finger with the busted knuckle he replied "Two reasons. The fingers interact and we don't want any strees on that knuckle while it heals.
    And think about what it would look like if you ran around all day with
    that finger extended." I got the point. Bv)=

    Do you offer Texas Pete hot sauce which is made not far from you in winston-Salem? It's the 3rd best selling hot sauce in the land.

    No, never bought it but suppose I should, some day, It's the one that restaurants keep on the table with salt, pepper and pepper vinegar.

    The company which makes Texas Pete is being sued by the state of Texas
    for being owned/made in North Carolina and using "Texas" in their name.

    That looks pretty frivolous to me. And while it serves to give a politician something to do it wastes the time of the judicia; system.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Prudence Penney's Pork Knuckles
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs, Beer
    Yield: 2 Servings

    1 sm Leek
    1 Rib celery
    1 md Carrot
    1 md Onion
    2 Meaty pork knuckles
    Salt & black peppercorns
    2 tb Cooking fat
    +=OR=+
    2 tb Vegetable shortening
    1/8 ts Cumin; to taste
    Beer or water

    Wash and dice the leek, celery, carrot and onion.

    Cook pork knuckles, diced vegetables, salt and peppercorns
    in water to cover 2 to 3 hours or until tender; avoid
    overcooking.

    Remove from water; drain well reserving vegetables and
    cooking liquid.

    Preheat oven to 425øF/218øC.

    Melt fat or shortening in an dutch oven.

    Add drained pork knuckles, cooked vegetables and a small
    amount of cooking liquid.

    Bake 30 minutes, moistening meat frequently with more
    cooking liquid.

    Just before meat is done, sprinkle with beer or water in
    which a good amount of salt has been dissolved.

    Add cumin to taste.

    Serve with potato or white bread dumplings or sauerkraut
    salad.

    NOTE: The juices and cooking liquid may be strained and
    served as an accompanying sauce.

    Recipe taken from Coupon Cooking by Prudence Penney

    From: http://www.food.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Jan 15 17:44:25 2023
    Hi Dave,

    Typing one handed as the right hand is 95% wrapped to the wrist, orders not to even use the exposed fingers and thumb for a week. Makes life interesting. (G) Thankfully I have a relativly small keyboard.

    Did they give you an "immobility" aid? I once broke the knuckle of my "signalling" finger on my right hand. The doctor had an aluminum sort
    of splint/appliance which he taped me into and it held the fingers in place. Wore that for a week then he switched me to one that just kept
    the finger with busted knuckle from moving.

    Right now the first and middle fingers are wrapped together and there's some sort of support om my palm, then all is wrapped up just past the wrist toward the elbow. My ring and little fingers are fully free, and
    the thumb is partly so. When I go to the therapy appointment on Tuesday it'll be re-done. The knuckle of the middle finger was the one
    replaced.

    That's the same knuckle I busted. My fingers were taped to the
    aluminum appliance individually and the tape/wrapping ran to my writs
    - which was left flexible. When I asked the surgeon why they didn't
    just immobilise the finger with the busted knuckle he replied "Two reasons. The fingers interact and we don't want any strees on that
    knuckle while it heals.
    And think about what it would look like if you ran around all day with that finger extended." I got the point. Bv)=


    My wrist isn't flexible so life is more of a challenge. We went over to
    a local cafeteria for lunch after church today. I got beef tips over
    rice, carrot/raisin salad (in a cup) and chocolate pie. Steve put some
    of the salad on my plate with the beef; I took some of his pickled beets
    (in a small bowl) from time to time. I'd thought about having their
    banana puddin' for dessert but realised I couldn't hold the cup so went
    with the pie. No knife or spoon needed for the meal.

    Do you offer Texas Pete hot sauce which is made not far from you
    in DD> winston-Salem? It's the 3rd best selling hot sauce in the land.

    No, never bought it but suppose I should, some day, It's the one that restaurants keep on the table with salt, pepper and pepper vinegar.

    The company which makes Texas Pete is being sued by the state of Texas
    for being owned/made in North Carolina and using "Texas" in their
    name.

    I thought it was an individual that brought the suit. A waste of time,
    IMO.


    That looks pretty frivolous to me. And while it serves to give a politician something to do it wastes the time of the judicia; system.


    Title: Prudence Penney's Pork Knuckles
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs, Beer
    Yield: 2 Servings

    Hmmm, maybe something to try, but probably beef stock as the liquid.


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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Jan 17 05:27:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My wrist isn't flexible so life is more of a challenge. We went over to
    a local cafeteria for lunch after church today. I got beef tips over
    rice, carrot/raisin salad (in a cup) and chocolate pie. Steve put some
    of the salad on my plate with the beef; I took some of his pickled
    beets (in a small bowl) from time to time. I'd thought about having
    their banana puddin' for dessert but realised I couldn't hold the cup
    so went with the pie. No knife or spoon needed for the meal.

    I can sort of understand immobilising the wrist. When you bend the wrist
    the tendons pull on the knuckls. And that might cause problems.

    Do you offer Texas Pete hot sauce which is made not far from you
    in DD> winston-Salem? It's the 3rd best selling hot sauce in the land.

    No, never bought it but suppose I should, some day, It's the one that restaurants keep on the table with salt, pepper and pepper vinegar.

    The company which makes Texas Pete is being sued by the state of Texas
    for being owned/made in North Carolina and using "Texas" in their
    name.

    I thought it was an individual that brought the suit. A waste of time, IMO.

    You are correct. I was told it was Greg Abbott or Ted Cruz who got that
    ball rolling. And since that was a plausible assumption I didn't fact
    check the story. Turns out it's not even a Texan who has instigated the
    lawsuit but some clown from Los Angeles, Califunny.

    That looks pretty frivolous to me. And while it serves to give a politician something to do it wastes the time of the judicia; system.

    It's still frivolous though.

    Title: Prudence Penney's Pork Knuckles
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs, Beer
    Yield: 2 Servings

    Hmmm, maybe something to try, but probably beef stock as the liquid.

    If not using the beer (and I'm sure you wouldn't) stick with the water
    or use pork stock if you have it. I fear the beef would cause a change
    of flavour and not for the better.

    Here's on that doesn't call for brewski:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Crispy Pork Knuckle (Czech Veprove Koleno)
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 2 servings

    4 lb (2 kg) Pork knuckle; raw,
    - w/skin-on

    MMMMM---------------------MARINATING BRINE---------------------------
    3 3/4 qt (3.5 L) water
    1/2 c (140 g) salt
    2 tb (26 g) granulated sugar
    7 Balls allspice
    18 Peppercorns
    4 Bay leaves
    6 cl Garlic

    MMMMM-------------------------TO SERVE-------------------------------
    Fresh bread
    Dill pickles
    Yellow mustard; Czech,
    - Polish or German style
    Horseradish
    Sauerkraut
    Other pickled vegetables

    Clean the knuckle under running water. Take a sharp
    knife and score the skin all around. Continue to cut the
    skin in the shape of strips about 1/2" (1.2 cm) apart.

    MAKE A BRINE: Add salt and sugar to the cold water, and
    stir well to create a salty solution. 

    BRINE THE KNUCKLE: Place the pork knuckle in the pot,
    flesh side down, bone side up. Pour the brine over the
    meat so that it is completely submerged. Add the
    peppercorns, allspice, and bay leaves. Peel the garlic
    cloves and roughly crush them with a knife; there is no
    need to press them finely. Add the garlic to the brine
    as well. Stir briefly.

    MARINATING: Put the pot with the brined knuckle in the
    fridge and let it marinate for three to four days. Check
    every day. If part of the meat is not immersed, turn it
    over so that the brine soaks into all its areas.

    ROAST THE BRINED KNUCKLE: Pour a cup of clean, hot water
    into the baking dish. Remove the knuckle from the brine
    and place it meat-side down in the dish. Se the oven to
    250°F/120°C and bake the pig knee for 5 1/2 hours. Check
    occasionally and add a little more water if necessary.

    MAKE A CRISPY CRUST: Increase the heat to 450ºF/230ºC
    and bake until the skin is golden brown. Crispy blisters
    will form on the surface. If your oven has a grill
    function, turn it on for the last few minutes. However,
    keep an eye on the roast so that the surface doesn't
    burn - in the hot oven, it goes quickly!

    SERVING: If possible, serve it on a round wooden board
    and stick a fork into it for a better visual effect.
    Fresh bread, pickles, horseradish, mustard, and pickled
    sauerkraut go perfectly with the knuckle. 

    Author: Petra Kupská

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.cooklikeczechs.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Jan 17 12:17:37 2023
    Hi Dave,


    My wrist isn't flexible so life is more of a challenge. We went over to
    a local cafeteria for lunch after church today. I got beef tips over
    so went with the pie. No knife or spoon needed for the meal.

    I can sort of understand immobilising the wrist. When you bend the
    wrist the tendons pull on the knuckls. And that might cause problems.

    True; I go to therapy for the first time today. We'll see what he
    reccommends I do to start gently exercising the finger.


    The company which makes Texas Pete is being sued by the state of Texas
    for being owned/made in North Carolina and using "Texas" in their
    name.

    I thought it was an individual that brought the suit. A waste of time, IMO.

    You are correct. I was told it was Greg Abbott or Ted Cruz who got
    that ball rolling. And since that was a plausible assumption I didn't
    fact
    check the story. Turns out it's not even a Texan who has instigated
    the lawsuit but some clown from Los Angeles, Califunny.

    That looks pretty frivolous to me. And while it serves to give a politician something to do it wastes the time of the judicia; system.

    And anyone else involved.

    It's still frivolous though.

    Agreed.


    Title: Prudence Penney's Pork Knuckles
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs, Beer
    Yield: 2 Servings

    Hmmm, maybe something to try, but probably beef stock as the liquid.

    If not using the beer (and I'm sure you wouldn't) stick with the water
    or use pork stock if you have it. I fear the beef would cause a change
    of flavour and not for the better.

    Here's on that doesn't call for brewski:

    Might be for the good, gon't know until we try.


    Title: Crispy Pork Knuckle (Czech Veprove Koleno)
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 2 servings

    4 lb (2 kg) Pork knuckle; raw,
    - w/skin-on

    First, find the knucle--not a common item in today's supermarkets.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Jan 19 05:08:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Title: Prudence Penney's Pork Knuckles
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs, Beer
    Yield: 2 Servings

    Hmmm, maybe something to try, but probably beef stock as the liquid.

    If not using the beer (and I'm sure you wouldn't) stick with the water
    or use pork stock if you have it. I fear the beef would cause a change
    of flavour and not for the better.

    Here's on that doesn't call for brewski:

    Might be for the good, gon't know until we try.

    Title: Crispy Pork Knuckle (Czech Veprove Koleno)
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 2 servings

    4 lb (2 kg) Pork knuckle; raw,
    - w/skin-on

    First, find the knucle--not a common item in today's supermarkets.

    Possibly I'm fortunate in having two stores whose fresh meat offerings
    are all "service meat". Magro's moved to Springfield from a nearby small
    town when the city fathers there got their noses out of joint over Tubby
    Magro running a slaughterhouse amd offering retail meats to the public.

    There was some neighbourhood resistance in Springfield with nrighbours
    of the new location worried over smells and the noise of trucks making deliveries of pork chops "on the hoof". Tubby moved inton the defunct
    Eagle supermarket building six years ago and there have been no neighbour complaints.

    And, of course, there is my beloved Humphrey's which has been doing
    business at their "same old stand" since 1915. The neighbourhood
    has changed around them but nthe soldier on, winning the "Beat Meat"
    category in the annual nReader's Choice" and "Best Of" pools in both
    the daily (State Journal-Register) and weekly (Illinois Tines) newspapers.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Humphrey's Traditional Irish Shepherd's Pie
    Categories: Lamb/mutton, Vegetables, Herbs, Potatoes, Dairy
    Yield: 4 Servings

    2 tb Oil
    1 lg Onion; fine cut
    1 1/4 lb Lean ground lamb, beef, or
    - turkey
    4 cl Garlic; minced
    1 Bay leaf
    1 1/4 c Hot water
    2 tb Tomato paste
    2 tb Worcestershire sauce
    1/4 ts Salt
    Ground black pepper
    pn Thyme
    1 lb Frozen mixed vegetables;
    - peas, carrots, corn, (opt)
    - mushrooms, green beans

    MMMMM--------------------------TOPPING-------------------------------
    2 1/2 lb Russet potatoes
    Salt & pepper
    4 tb Unsalted butter
    1/2 c Whole milk or cream
    1 Egg yolk
    3 Scallions; thin sliced (opt)

    * Shepherd's Pie has always been a staple of traditional
    Irish cooking. The British use lamb in their Shepherd's
    Pie, but beef is quite popular and ground turkey can be
    used if preferred. This recipe can also be made in
    individual pie dishes, which are always a hit. Drop by
    Humphrey's Market to pick up all of your ingredients.

    Add 2 Tbsp oil to a medium-size pot, on medium heat,
    saute the onions until golden.

    Raise the heat to medium-high, add meat, continuously
    stir while sauteing, until it begins to brown.

    When meat is cooked through, add 1 1/4 cups of hot water,
    bay leaf and garlic, put lid on and bring to a simmer and
    put the heat on low. Simmer for 30 minutes or until the
    liquid reduces to 1/2 cup.

    Meanwhile, peel and cube potatoes in 3cm/1" sq, boil in
    water, until tender. Drain, add salt and pepper to taste,
    add butter and mash.

    Beat the egg yolk with milk. Add to the mashed potatoes
    and stir. Add sliced scallions and stir. Set aside.

    To the simmered meat, add tomato paste, Worcestershire
    sauce, salt, pepper, thyme, and frozen vegetables. Mix
    well and simmer for 5 more minutes. Empty into an
    oven-safe deep dish and remove bay leaf.

    Place rack on middle shelf of the oven, set thermostat
    to 205ºC/400ºF.

    Spread mashed potatoes over top of the meat mixture.
    Rough up with a fork so that there are peaks -or- use the
    fork to make some designs so the top will brown nicely.

    Bake for 30-45 minutes, until golden brown on the top.

    Makes 4 servings

    RECIPE FROM: http://www.humphreysmarket.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Dave Drum on Fri Jan 20 12:03:00 2023
    On 01-19-23 05:08, Dave Drum <=-
    spoke to Ruth Haffly about Re: Knuckle <=-

    First, find the knucle--not a common item in today's supermarkets.

    Possibly I'm fortunate in having two stores whose fresh meat offerings
    are all "service meat". Magro's moved to Springfield from a nearby

    You are very fortunate with two such butchers available to you.

    How are there prices compaired to supermarket chain stores?

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Stir Fried Chicken And Pea Pods
    Categories: D/g, Chicken, Chinese, Boat
    Yield: 3 servings

    MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
    1/2 c Chicken broth
    2 tb Soy Sauce
    1 tb Cornstarch

    MMMMM-------------------CHICKEN AND VEGETABLES------------------------
    1 lb Boneless skinned chicken
    -breasts
    1 1/2 tb Cornstarch
    1 tb Soy Sauce
    Peanut Oil
    1 ts Minced garlic
    1 ts Ginger root.
    1/2 c Sliced green onions
    1/2 c Carrots
    1/2 c Celery
    8 oz Sliced water chestnuts
    -drained
    3 oz Pea Pods

    Slice chicken into very thin strips.

    In a small bowl, mix all sauce ingredients, set aside.

    In a medium bowl, combine chicken, cornstarch, soy sauce.
    Mix well; set aside. In a wok or large, non stick skillet,
    heat 3 tablespoons oil over high heat. Stir in garlic and
    ginger. Add chicken and stir fry until no longer pink, remove.
    Heat 2 tablespoons oil. Stir fry green onions, carrots, and
    celery one minute. Stir sauce ingredients and add to pan with
    water chestnuts, pea pods, and cooked chicken. Cook, stirring
    constantly, until bubbling. Serve immediately with hot rice.

    Serves 3

    == Courtesy of Dale & Gail Shipp, Columbia Md. ===

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Dale Shipp on Sat Jan 21 05:39:00 2023
    Dale Shipp wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    First, find the knucle--not a common item in today's supermarkets.

    Possibly I'm fortunate in having two stores whose fresh meat offerings
    are all "service meat". Magro's moved to Springfield from a nearby

    You are very fortunate with two such butchers available to you.

    How are there prices compaired to supermarket chain stores?

    Keeping in mind that their "grocery" prices trend 33% or more higher
    over the big box stupormarkeps the meat prices are very favourable.

    Here's a comparo between three of my regular stops for ingredients.

    HUMPHREYS' Hy-VEE COUNTY MARKET
    PORK CHOPS U$2.69/lb any size U$3.40/lb Midwest U$1.99/lb Assorted
    any cut Pork Mini Assorted bone-in loin chops

    CHICKEN LEGS U$.49/lb frozen U$1.79/lb frozen U$1.89/lb frozen

    GROUND CHUCK U$2.99 fresh or U$4.49 80/20 U$3.99 80/20
    frozen

    At Humphrey's I buy just meat & produce (also *very* cometitively priced.
    I do get some fresh produce at Hy-Vee (my area's Wegmans') I seldom get
    to Magro's but their meat pricing is very sinilar to Humphreys'.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Stir Fried Chicken And Pea Pods
    Categories: D/g, Chicken, Chinese, Boat
    Yield: 3 servings

    This recipe had no servings/quantity call out when it came to live in
    my house. So I did a Ranfy Rigg when I entered it into Meal Muncher. Realistically, given the quantities of ingredients I'd guess ar least
    six servings w/rice or four servings bare.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Chicken & Bell Peppers Stir Fry Recipe
    Categories: Asian, Poultry, Vegetables, Wine
    Yield: 3 Servings

    700 g (1.5 lb) chicken; skinned,
    - boned
    2 lg Red bell peppers
    2 lg Green bell peppers
    1 ts Cornstarch
    2 c Peanut oil
    1 ts Pre-chopped garlic

    MMMMM--------------------------MARINADE-------------------------------
    1/4 ts Salt
    1 tb Sherry
    1 Egg white
    1 tb Cornstarch
    1/2 tb Oil

    MMMMM---------------------------SAUCE--------------------------------
    2 tb Soy sauce
    1 tb Chinkiang vinegar
    2 ts Sherry
    1 ts Sugar

    Remove all of the fat from the chicken and then cut each
    piece into 1 inch chunks and place in a container that has
    a tight fitting lid.

    Next, apply the marinade in the following order. First
    sprinkle in the salt mixing it in with your hands to make
    sure that each piece gets evenly coated. Then stir in the
    sherry.

    Next add the egg white slowly using your hand to gently
    coat each piece of chicken while making sure not to froth
    the egg.

    Then sprinkle in the cornstarch coating each piece.

    Finally, add the oil and stir to coat. Let the meat
    marinate for 30 minutes at room temperature.

    While the chicken marinates, prepare the other
    ingredients. Cut both the red and green peppers in half
    and remove their stems, seeds, and inner white meat.

    Then rinse all of the halves under cold running water and
    dry them with paper towels. Cut each of the pepper halves
    into 1" pieces and set them aside.

    In a cup, mix together all of the ingredients for the
    sauce and then set this mixture aside.

    In a smaller cup, mix the cornstarch with just a little
    water until it dissolves and then set it aside as well.

    When the chicken has marinated, in a wok heat the peanut
    oil on medium high. Keep in mind that we don’t want the
    oil so hot that the meat sizzles. If the oil is too hot it
    will overcook the meat and make it tough.

    Once the oil is heated, add the meat and lightly stir with
    either a fork or chopsticks for just 30 seconds to a
    minute, or until cooked through. Then remove it with a
    slotted spoon and place the chicken pieces on a plate
    lined with paper towels.

    After the chicken is done, remove all of the oil from the
    wok except for 1 tablespoon.

    Heat this tablespoon of oil on high. Once it is hot, add
    the pre chopped garlic and stir fry it for 30 seconds.
    Then add the red and green peppers and stir fry everything
    for 3 to 4 minutes.

    Next add the sauce mixture and return the chicken to the
    wok. Mix everything together and let it come to a boil.
    Once the sauce just begins to bubble, add the cornstarch
    mixture and stir until the sauce thickens.

    Remove it from the heat and serve.

    Makes 3 servings.

    Recipe by: Lila Voo

    From: http://www.123tamil.in

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Thu Jan 19 14:21:11 2023
    Hi Dave,

    Here's on that doesn't call for brewski:

    Might be for the good, don't know until we try.

    Title: Crispy Pork Knuckle (Czech Veprove Koleno)
    Categories: Pork, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 2 servings

    4 lb (2 kg) Pork knuckle; raw,
    - w/skin-on

    First, find the knuckle--not a common item in today's supermarkets.

    Possibly I'm fortunate in having two stores whose fresh meat offerings
    are all "service meat". Magro's moved to Springfield from a nearby
    small town when the city fathers there got their noses out of joint
    over Tubby Magro running a slaughterhouse amd offering retail meats to
    the public.

    I know there's a halel butcher in Raleigh, think there's another one
    down there also but can't say for sure.

    There was some neighbourhood resistance in Springfield with
    nrighbours DD> of the new location worried over smells and the noise of
    trucks making DD> deliveries of pork chops "on the hoof". Tubby moved
    inton the defunct DD> Eagle supermarket building six years ago and
    there have been no DD> neighbour complaints.

    And doing right well for himself it sounds like.

    And, of course, there is my beloved Humphrey's which has been doing business at their "same old stand" since 1915. The neighbourhood
    has changed around them but nthe soldier on, winning the "Beat
    Meat" DD> category in the annual nReader's Choice" and "Best Of" pools
    in both DD> the daily (State Journal-Register) and weekly (Illinois
    Tines) DD> newspapers.

    There was a butcher in the San Tan Valley area but we never got over to
    his place (The Pork Shop) when our daughter lived in that area. Maybe we
    ought to check it out--make a day trip of it as it's near an olive grove/shop--next time we're in AZ.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:229/452 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Jan 22 06:40:26 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Possibly I'm fortunate in having two stores whose fresh meat offerings
    are all "service meat". Magro's moved to Springfield from a nearby
    small town when the city fathers there got their noses out of joint
    over Tubby Magro running a slaughterhouse amd offering retail meats to
    the public.

    I know there's a halel butcher in Raleigh, think there's another one
    down there also but can't say for sure.

    BING shows me five in Raliegh (well, one is actually in Cary) and one
    in Wake Forest.

    There was some neighbourhood resistance in Springfield with neighbours
    of the new location worried over smells and the noise of trucks making deliveries of pork chops "on the hoof". Tubby moved into the defunct
    Eagle supermarket building six years ago and there have been no
    neighbour complaints.

    And doing right well for himself it sounds like.

    Apparently. Both Magro's and Humphrey's supply local/regional restaurants
    as well as selling to the general public.

    And, of course, there is my beloved Humphrey's which has been doing business at their "same old stand" since 1915. The neighbourhood
    has changed around them but nthe soldier on, winning the "Beat Meat" category in the annual "Reader's Choice" and "Best Of" pools in both
    the daily (State Journal-Register) and weekly (Illinois Tines)
    newspapers.

    There was a butcher in the San Tan Valley area but we never got over to his place (The Pork Shop) when our daughter lived in that area. Maybe
    we ought to check it out--make a day trip of it as it's near an olive grove/shop--next time we're in AZ.

    There are butchers in most places. Use your Bing or Duck Duck Go search
    engine to find out where they are located. Once you've experienced the pleasures of buying meat exactly to your needs for the project at hand
    you'll begin passing by the film-wrapped styro tray prepackaged offerings
    on the gondolas down the stupormarkup.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Bacon Wrapped Bratwurst
    Categories: Pork, Beef, Sausages, Chilies, Beer
    Yield: 6 Servings

    1 lb (4) Humphrey's bratwurst
    36 oz Beer *
    5 tb Brown sugar
    1 ts Cayenne pepper
    6 sl (thin) Humphrey's bacon;
    - halved
    Toothpicks to affix bacon

    * Non-alcohol beers like Sharp's or O'Doul's may by
    used if there is a relifious or dietary restriction.

    Poke bratwurst several times with a small fork, and
    place into a saucepan with the beer. Bring to a boil
    over high heat, then reduce heat to medium, and simmer
    for 15 minutes. Remove the bratwurst from the beer,
    and allow to cool to room temp. Discard used beer.

    Set oven @ 425ºF/220ºC.

    Line a baking sheet with aluminum foil, and place a
    wire rack on top.

    Toss the brown sugar and cayenne pepper together in a
    large bowl and set aside. Cut each bratwurst in three
    pieces, wrap each piece with half strip of bacon, and
    secure with a toothpick. Toss the bratwurst with the
    cayenne mixture to coat, then place onto the prepared
    baking sheet.

    Bake in heated oven until the bacon is brown and crisp,
    25 to 35 minutes.

    Recipe by Humphrey's Market, Springfield, IL

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Jan 22 19:33:08 2023
    Hi Dave,

    over Tubby Magro running a slaughterhouse amd offering retail meats to
    the public.

    I know there's a halel butcher in Raleigh, think there's another one
    down there also but can't say for sure.

    BING shows me five in Raliegh (well, one is actually in Cary) and one
    in Wake Forest.

    I'll have to check them out. A couple of the farmer's market vendors do butchering; we've bought small amounts of meat from time to time from
    them. Got some ground beef chorizo and lamb chops in the freezer now
    from our last major trip to the market. One vendor is leaving the market (husband passed away last year) but will continue to sell meats from her
    farm.

    There was some neighbourhood resistance in Springfield with
    neighbours DD> of the new location worried over smells and the noise of
    trucks making DD> deliveries of pork chops "on the hoof". Tubby moved
    into the defunct DD> Eagle supermarket building six years ago and there
    have been no DD> neighbour complaints.

    And doing right well for himself it sounds like.

    Apparently. Both Magro's and Humphrey's supply local/regional
    restaurants as well as selling to the general public.

    Sadly, I don't think many of the local restaurants use local meats. I
    know of one for sure, not as sure about some of the others.


    And, of course, there is my beloved Humphrey's which has been doing business at their "same old stand" since 1915. The neighbourhood
    has changed around them but nthe soldier on, winning the "Beat Meat" category in the annual "Reader's Choice" and "Best Of" pools in both
    the daily (State Journal-Register) and weekly (Illinois Tines)
    newspapers.

    There was a butcher in the San Tan Valley area but we never got over to his place (The Pork Shop) when our daughter lived in that area. Maybe
    we ought to check it out--make a day trip of it as it's near an olive grove/shop--next time we're in AZ.

    There are butchers in most places. Use your Bing or Duck Duck Go
    search engine to find out where they are located. Once you've
    experienced the pleasures of buying meat exactly to your needs for the project at hand
    you'll begin passing by the film-wrapped styro tray prepackaged
    offerings on the gondolas down the stupormarkup.

    Have to weigh in convenience of access, price, etc in that equation.
    Sometimes being able to get what's needed quickly at the local
    supermarket is better than hunting down a butcher who may/may not have
    what you need when you need it.

    BTW, the stitches come out of the finger tomorrow; it's making good
    progress with therapy. Can't quite bend the joint as much as the others
    yet but working toward that goal.


    ---
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    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Jan 24 05:31:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    Apparently. Both Magro's and Humphrey's supply local/regional
    restaurants as well as selling to the general public.

    Sadly, I don't think many of the local restaurants use local meats. I
    know of one for sure, not as sure about some of the others.

    The chain places are required by their franchise agreements to buy from
    the "company approved" supplier(s). Local places pick their own. One of
    the local *upmarket* places (Fritz' Wagon Wheel) notes on their menu that
    all their meat is supplied by Humphrey's. And I know that Obed & Issac's (microbrewery) uses both Magro's and Humphrey's.

    And, of course, there is my beloved Humphrey's which has been doing business at their "same old stand" since 1915. The neighbourhood
    has changed around them but nthe soldier on, winning the "Beat Meat" category in the annual "Reader's Choice" and "Best Of" pools in both
    the daily (State Journal-Register) and weekly (Illinois Tines)
    newspapers.

    There was a butcher in the San Tan Valley area but we never got over to his place (The Pork Shop) when our daughter lived in that area. Maybe
    we ought to check it out--make a day trip of it as it's near an olive grove/shop--next time we're in AZ.

    There are butchers in most places. Use your Bing or Duck Duck Go
    search engine to find out where they are located. Once you've
    experienced the pleasures of buying meat exactly to your needs for
    the project at hand you'll begin passing by the film-wrapped styro
    tray prepackaged offerings on the gondolas down the stupormarkup.

    Have to weigh in convenience of access, price, etc in that equation. Sometimes being able to get what's needed quickly at the local
    supermarket is better than hunting down a butcher who may/may not have what you need when you need it.

    My local "chicken pluckers" (CIota & Foster) have closed up shop - and
    retired. I asked at Humphrey's when I picked up the 10# bag of chicken
    leg quarters where they sourced their chicken now that Gino amd Al have
    ceased supplying fresh chicken to the area. They now use Jones Poultry
    from Barry, MO (in the Missouri Ozarks). I learned that they (Humphrey's)
    are a jobber for Jones and supply chicken along with other meats to the
    local eateries.

    BTW, the stitches come out of the finger tomorrow; it's making good progress with therapy. Can't quite bend the joint as much as the others yet but working toward that goal.

    That's good to hear. It may never go back to 100% of what was. But your
    body will develop work-arounds. And it beats the pain and suffering of
    the wonky part. So says my brother who has had both knees and a shoulder
    done.

    Served this for dinner last week - with Spanish rice n' beans, frozen (pre-made) Green Giant Mexi-corn, and crusty bread.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Spanish-Style Pork Tenderloin
    Categories: Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    1 lb Pork tenderloin
    2 ts Olive oil
    3/4 ts Smoked paprika
    1/2 ts Ground coriander
    1/4 ts (ea) salt & ground cumin
    1/8 ts (ea) cinnamon & black pepper

    Set oven @ 450ºF/232ºC.

    Drizzle and rub oil over surface of pork.

    Combine paprika, coriander, salt, cumin, cinnamon and
    pepper in small dish. Sprinkle and rub mixture evenly
    over pork.

    Place tenderloin on rack in shallow roasting pan. Roast,
    uncovered, in heated oven for 20 to 25 minutes.

    Transfer tenderloin to carving board; loosely cover with
    foil. Let rest for 5 minutes. Cut into 1/2" thick slices
    and serve

    RECIPE FROM: https://magrosmeatprocessing.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Jan 24 16:28:33 2023
    Hi Dave,


    The chain places are required by their franchise agreements to buy
    from the "company approved" supplier(s). Local places pick their own.
    One of the local *upmarket* places (Fritz' Wagon Wheel) notes on their menu that all their meat is supplied by Humphrey's. And I know that
    Obed & Issac's (microbrewery) uses both Magro's and Humphrey's.

    And nice that credit is given on the menu so people know where the good
    meat can be found.

    search engine to find out where they are located. Once you've
    experienced the pleasures of buying meat exactly to your needs for
    the project at hand you'll begin passing by the film-wrapped styro
    tray prepackaged offerings on the gondolas down the stupormarkup.

    Have to weigh in convenience of access, price, etc in that equation. Sometimes being able to get what's needed quickly at the local
    supermarket is better than hunting down a butcher who may/may not have what you need when you need it.

    My local "chicken pluckers" (CIota & Foster) have closed up shop - and retired. I asked at Humphrey's when I picked up the 10# bag of chicken
    leg quarters where they sourced their chicken now that Gino amd Al
    have ceased supplying fresh chicken to the area. They now use Jones Poultry
    from Barry, MO (in the Missouri Ozarks). I learned that they
    (Humphrey's) are a jobber for Jones and supply chicken along with
    other meats to the local eateries.

    So you're still covered with good chicken. We tried a 10# bag of leg
    quarters from a low cost grocery store once--and wrote the store off our (mental) list. Between the poor quality of the chicken pieces and lots
    of past expiration date stuff on the shelves, it wasn't a store we'd
    prefer to shop at.

    BTW, the stitches come out of the finger tomorrow; it's making good progress with therapy. Can't quite bend the joint as much as the others yet but working toward that goal.

    That's good to hear. It may never go back to 100% of what was. But
    your body will develop work-arounds. And it beats the pain and
    suffering of
    the wonky part. So says my brother who has had both knees and a
    shoulder done.

    Agreed, as I've got enough of my own implants. The dr, when he took the stitches out, said good therapy is to just keep opening and closing the
    hand into/out of a fist. It's still buddy taped during the day, splinted
    at night for a couple more weeks but I can use the hand for more helper
    jobs now.

    Served this for dinner last week - with Spanish rice n' beans, frozen (pre-made) Green Giant Mexi-corn, and crusty bread.


    Title: Spanish-Style Pork Tenderloin
    Categories: Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    Looks good, may try it with the tenderloin in our freezzer.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Jan 26 05:39:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    My local "chicken pluckers" (CIota & Foster) have closed up shop - and retired. I asked at Humphrey's when I picked up the 10# bag of chicken
    leg quarters where they sourced their chicken now that Gino amd Al
    have ceased supplying fresh chicken to the area. They now use Jones Poultry from Barry, MO (in the Missouri Ozarks). I learned that they (Humphrey's) are a jobber for Jones and supply chicken along with
    other meats to the local eateries.

    So you're still covered with good chicken. We tried a 10# bag of leg quarters from a low cost grocery store once--and wrote the store off
    our (mental) list. Between the poor quality of the chicken pieces and
    lots of past expiration date stuff on the shelves, it wasn't a store
    we'd prefer to shop at.

    Humphrey's was, when it was new in the 1950s, a cutting edge "supermarket"
    on the Piggly-Wiggly model. Today it appears small and cramped when it's compared to a Wegman's or Hy-Vee store.

    The 10# of leg quarters have been in my Crock Pot casserole on low over
    night and the house smells amazing. Later this morning the work begins. Shredding the meat from the skeletal components and getting the bones
    ready to toast in the oven before making stock with them. And parcelling
    out the shredded chicken for soups and chicken n' noodles. Then reserving
    the fat for schmaltz. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    BTW, the stitches come out of the finger tomorrow; it's making good progress with therapy. Can't quite bend the joint as much as the others yet but working toward that goal.

    That's good to hear. It may never go back to 100% of what was. But
    your body will develop work-arounds. And it beats the pain and
    suffering of the wonky part. So says my brother who has had both
    knees and a shoulder done.

    Agreed, as I've got enough of my own implants. The dr, when he took the stitches out, said good therapy is to just keep opening and closing the hand into/out of a fist. It's still buddy taped during the day,
    splinted at night for a couple more weeks but I can use the hand for
    more helper jobs now.

    I'm fortunate in still having most of the parts I was born with - less
    the gall bladder. Heck, I've even still got my appendix. Bv)=

    Served this for dinner last week - with Spanish rice n' beans, frozen (pre-made) Green Giant Mexi-corn, and crusty bread.

    Title: Spanish-Style Pork Tenderloin
    Categories: Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    Looks good, may try it with the tenderloin in our freezzer.

    This is one of my few areas of agreement with the brash, abrasive Food
    Network presenter, Bobby Flay. But, credit where due - it's a good recipe

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Rich Chicken Stock
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 3 pints

    4 lb Chicken bones; chopped
    3 lg Yellow sweet onions; skin
    - on, quartered
    1/2 Stalk celery; ribs and
    - leaves, coarse chopped
    2 lg Carrots; unpeeled, coarse
    - chopped
    3 tb Olive oil
    Salt & fresh ground pepper
    2 Bay leaves
    1/4 c Whole black peppercorns
    1 sm Bunch flat-leaf parsley;
    - stems only
    6 Sprigs fresh thyme
    +=OR-_
    3/4 ts Dried thyme

    Recipe courtesy of Bobby Flay

    Set oven @ 450ºF/232ºC.

    Combine chicken bones, onions, celery, and carrots in a
    large roasting pan; toss with oil and season lightly
    with salt and pepper. Roast until the bones and
    vegetables are a rich golden brown, about 30 to 40
    minutes.

    Transfer the bones and vegetables to a large stockpot,
    add 12 cups cold water, and the remaining ingredients
    and bring to a boil over high heat. Reduce the heat to
    medium and simmer for 4 hours, skimming the scum that
    rises to the top with a ladle every 20 minutes. Remove
    from the heat and strain through a mesh strainer into a
    clean pot. Place back on the stove over high heat and
    cook until reduced by half. Use immediately or let cool
    to room temperature, cover, and refrigerate or freeze
    until ready to use.

    UDD NOTE: I save the skin from the chicken and use it
    to add to the stock after straining the vegetables out.
    Put the skin fragments in your blender and add enough
    of the liquid from the pot to allow it to puree. Add
    the result back to the stockpot. Your taste buds will
    thank you.

    RECIPE FROM: https://www.foodnetwork.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Kitchen

    MMMMM

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Jan 26 09:45:22 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    So you're still covered with good chicken. We tried a 10# bag of leg quarters from a low cost grocery store once--and wrote the store off
    our (mental) list. Between the poor quality of the chicken pieces and
    lots of past expiration date stuff on the shelves, it wasn't a store
    we'd prefer to shop at.

    We're lucky, there is a low cost grocery store in Ajax (Sals Grocery) that
    has amazing meat at great price. Like your experience the rest of the shelvs are expired. However it's still good. I bought 2 cartons of "Organic" tomato soup for $1. It was over a year expired but tasted just fine and neither of
    us got sick. That expiry date doesn't mean anything to me unless it's milk
    or yougart.

    Of course we are the working poor here in Ontario so we have to find any
    deal we can.

    Shawn

    ... I wanted to be a comedian, but everybody laughed at me.

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Shawn Highfield on Thu Jan 26 11:51:46 2023
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Of course we are the working poor here in Ontario so we have to find
    any deal we can.

    I sympathize. Because I now get $100 a month more in Social Security, my
    food stamps/SNAP ($285 a month) was taken away from me because you know
    being poor at the government's hands is a crime in the US.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Beef Syrah
    Categories: Australian, Abc, Meat, Main
    Yield: 4 Servings

    750 g Lean braising steak
    -or other stewing beef
    3 Medium carrots
    5 cl Garlic, peeled
    3 Medium onions
    375 ml Red wine
    1 tb Olive oil
    Sprig of fresh thyme
    -or 1 ts dry thyme
    2 Bay leaves
    12 Black olives, stoned
    2 tb Strong beef or chicken stock
    Salt and pepper to taste

    This should be done in advance: Cut beef into cubes about 2.5cm
    removing surplus fat. Chop carrots into similar sized pieces. Peel
    and quarter the onions.

    Marinate meat, garlic, carrot and onion in the red wine for at least 4
    hours, or overnight. Make sure you use a non-reactive container, such
    as glass or stainless steel.

    Drain meat and vegetables, reserving the liquor. Pat meat cubes dry on
    paper kitchen towel.

    Brown a few pieces at a time in the olive oil on high heat. Remove and
    continue until all are browned and removed.

    Add the wine, vegetables and garlic to the pan, along with the thyme,
    bay leaves, olives, stock and salt and pepper. Mix well and add the
    meat. Half cover the pan and allow to simmer very gently for at least
    2 hours.

    Serve with polenta or mashed potatoes, a green vegetable and the
    remaining wine.

    A nourishing cold weather treat named after the wine I use to prepare
    the sauce - which uses the Syrah grape and could be Shiraz or
    Hermitage. I like to serve it with polenta and Chinese bok choy.

    It benefits from preparing the meat the day before use.

    (C) 1997 Australian Broadcasting Corporation

    Typed by Glen Jamieson, February 2000

    MMMMM

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    "I'm a stand-up comedian; I stand up, everybody laughs."

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Shawn Highfield on Thu Jan 26 12:02:40 2023
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Of course we are the working poor here in Ontario so we have to find
    any deal we can.

    I sympathize. Because I now get $100 a month more in Social Security, my
    SNAP benefits ($285 a month) way taken away from me because you know
    being poor at the government's hands is a crime in the US.

    More Aussie recipes:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Beef Syrah
    Categories: Australian, Abc, Meat, Main
    Yield: 4 Servings

    750 g Lean braising steak
    -or other stewing beef
    3 Medium carrots
    5 cl Garlic, peeled
    3 Medium onions
    375 ml Red wine
    1 tb Olive oil
    Sprig of fresh thyme
    -or 1 ts dry thyme
    2 Bay leaves
    12 Black olives, stoned
    2 tb Strong beef or chicken stock
    Salt and pepper to taste

    This should be done in advance: Cut beef into cubes about 2.5cm
    removing surplus fat. Chop carrots into similar sized pieces. Peel
    and quarter the onions.

    Marinate meat, garlic, carrot and onion in the red wine for at least 4
    hours, or overnight. Make sure you use a non-reactive container, such
    as glass or stainless steel.

    Drain meat and vegetables, reserving the liquor. Pat meat cubes dry on
    paper kitchen towel.

    Brown a few pieces at a time in the olive oil on high heat. Remove and
    continue until all are browned and removed.

    Add the wine, vegetables and garlic to the pan, along with the thyme,
    bay leaves, olives, stock and salt and pepper. Mix well and add the
    meat. Half cover the pan and allow to simmer very gently for at least
    2 hours.

    Serve with polenta or mashed potatoes, a green vegetable and the
    remaining wine.

    A nourishing cold weather treat named after the wine I use to prepare
    the sauce - which uses the Syrah grape and could be Shiraz or
    Hermitage. I like to serve it with polenta and Chinese bok choy.

    It benefits from preparing the meat the day before use.

    (C) 1997 Australian Broadcasting Corporation

    Typed by Glen Jamieson, February 2000

    MMMMM

    - Sean

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Dave Drum on Fri Jan 27 01:31:00 2023
    On 01-26-23 05:39, Dave Drum <=-
    spoke to Ruth Haffly about Local Meats <=-

    I'm fortunate in still having most of the parts I was born with - less
    the gall bladder. Heck, I've even still got my appendix. Bv)=

    I am also without my gall bladder -- never knew it was a problem until
    my primary care doc called me on a Saturday and told me to get to the
    ER. Seems that a routine blood work had shown that my white blood cell
    count was about 10 times what it ought to be. After 12 hours in ER,
    they decided that my gall bladder had died and needed to be removed.


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Chocolate Marshmallow Squares
    Categories: Candy, Easy, Microwave, Xmas 2004
    Yield: 1 Batch

    2 c Semi sweet chocolate chips
    (12 oz pkg)
    1 2/3 c Butterscotch chips
    (11 oz pkg)
    1/2 c Peanut butter
    (creamy or chunky)
    9 c Miniature marshmallows
    (16 oz pkg)
    1 c Dry roasted peanuts

    Line 9 x 13 baking pan with heavy duty foil

    Microwave chocolate chips and butterscotch chips and peanut better in
    LARGE uncovered microwave safe bowl on MEDIUM HIGH (70%) power for two
    minutes. STIR. The morsels may retain some of their original shape.
    If necessary, microwave at additional 10 seconds intervals until
    totally melted. Cool for one minute then stir in peanuts and
    marshmallows.

    Take your time and make sure everything gets coated with chocolate
    mixture.

    Spread into prepared pan. Refrigerate until firm and then cut into
    squares.

    Good chocolate/marshmallow fudge - fluffy.

    If using in cookie tin as gift, place in paper cups.

    NOTE: I would cut back on marshmallows and increase peanuts.

    Recipe from VeryBestBaking.com November 2004

    MMMMM


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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Shawn Highfield on Fri Jan 27 05:59:00 2023
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    So you're still covered with good chicken. We tried a 10# bag of leg quarters from a low cost grocery store once--and wrote the store off
    our (mental) list. Between the poor quality of the chicken pieces and
    lots of past expiration date stuff on the shelves, it wasn't a store
    we'd prefer to shop at.

    We're lucky, there is a low cost grocery store in Ajax (Sals Grocery)
    that has amazing meat at great price. Like your experience the rest of the shelvs are expired. However it's still good. I bought 2 cartons
    of "Organic" tomato soup for $1. It was over a year expired but tasted just fine and neither of us got sick. That expiry date doesn't mean anything to me unless it's milk or yougart.

    Of course we are the working poor here in Ontario so we have to find
    any deal we can.

    I know the words to that song. Everybody thinks I'm rich because I drive
    a BMW. I just got a fantastic deal on it. And it requires less overall
    T.L.C. than my brother's GMC Envoy which he paid more for than I did for
    the Beemer.

    I notice that food packagers are trending now toward "Best by" dating.
    Although some still consider that a "drop dead" date. If it's in a can
    or sealed frozen container you can usually ignore the "use by" on the
    label. There's a putsch on in my stste to make it legal for stores to
    donate their "expired" perishables to breadlines, soup kitchen and/or
    other charitable "feed the poor/homeless" organisations rather than it
    being binned in the dumpster and then dumpster divers being prosecuted
    if caught,

    My personal opinion is that giving the stuff to charity is a common
    sense and beneficial rule .... which means it's probably doomed. Bv(=

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Galletto alla Povera Zingara (Poor Gypsy's Chicken)
    Categories: Game, Marinades, Herbs, Mushrooms, Chilies
    Yield: 6 Servings

    3 (1 lb ea) pigeons

    MMMMM--------------------------MARINADE-------------------------------
    3 tb Olive oil
    3 tb Lemon juice
    1 1/2 ts Pepper; fresh ground
    1 1/2 ts Dried rosemary; crumbled
    3/4 ts Salt
    Hot pepper sauce

    MMMMM---------------------------SPREAD--------------------------------
    12 oz Fresh mushrooms; cleaned
    3 tb Unsalted butter
    Salt & fresh ground pepper
    3 tb Dijon mustard
    1/2 ts Hot pepper sauce
    3 tb Tomato ketchup
    1/4 c Lemon juice
    1 ts Fresh ground pepper

    Cut off and discard wing tips from the birds. Remove the
    giblets and reserve. Cut the birds in two along the breast
    bone. Open the hen, dry the cavity with paper towels, and
    pound the bird flat with a meat mallet.

    Prepare the marinade by mixing well the olive oil, lemon
    juice, pepper, rosemary, salt and hot pepper sauce. Place
    the pigeon on a plate and baste it with the marinade,
    turning it over and over.

    Preheat the broiler for 10 minutes.

    Chop the mushrooms coarsely. Clean and chop the birds’
    giblets. Melt the butter in a saute' pan and put in the
    giblets, mushrooms and salt and pepper to taste. Cook for
    4 minutes or until the mushrooms have released their
    moisture. Let cool.

    Chop or grind the giblets and mushrooms to a paste. Add
    any pan juices, the mustard, hot pepper sauce, ketchup,
    lemon juice, and half-teaspoon additional pepper. Taste
    for salt and adjust if necessary.

    Place the pigeon halves, cavity up, in the broiler pan;
    broil 5-6 minutes or until well browned, brushing with the
    marinade once or twice as they cook.

    Turn and brown the bird's skin side, basting as you did
    before. When the skin is browned, turn again, spread the
    cavity with the mushroom mixture, and broil 3-4 minutes
    until the spread is cooked and beginning to crisp. Turn
    the skin side up, brush with remaining spread, and broil
    another 3-4 minutes.

    Makes 6 servings

    Source: The New Romagnoli's Table by Margaret and G.
    Franco Romagnoli

    This is a formula originally worked out for pigeon and
    squab. American Cornish hens are the perfect birds to
    receive a poor gypsy's touch of herbs, mushrooms and
    mustard.

    From: http://www.recipelink.com

    Uncle Dirty Dave's Archives

    MMMMM

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Fri Jan 27 17:19:00 2023
    On (26 Jan 23) Shawn Highfield wrote to Ruth Haffly...

    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    So you're still covered with good chicken. We tried a 10# bag of leg quarters from a low cost grocery store once--and wrote the store off
    our (mental) list. Between the poor quality of the chicken pieces and
    lots of past expiration date stuff on the shelves, it wasn't a store
    we'd prefer to shop at.

    We're lucky, there is a low cost grocery store in Ajax (Sals Grocery)
    that has amazing meat at great price. Like your experience the rest
    of the shelvs are expired. However it's still good. I bought 2
    cartons of "Organic" tomato soup for $1. It was over a year expired
    but tasted just fine and neither of us got sick. That expiry date doesn't mean anything to me unless it's milk or yougart.

    Depends on what it is, how long it has been expired as far as I'm
    concerned. Most things just lose a bit of quality but, as you
    mentioned, dairy goods go bad. I'll let things go on my shelves past
    expiration but I know how they've been stored.


    Of course we are the working poor here in Ontario so we have to find
    any deal we can.

    We aren't working (but for my sporadic sewing income), just using Social Security plus Steve's military retirement/disability income. Not hurting
    but cutting back somewhat on what we buy. The freezer is quite full so
    we're trying to eat out of that as much as possible, still buying fresh
    fruits & veggies, eggs, breads (until I can get back to baking), almond
    milk, etc.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Fri Jan 27 17:28:15 2023
    Hi Dave,


    My local "chicken pluckers" (CIota & Foster) have closed up shop - and retired. I asked at Humphrey's when I picked up the 10# bag of chicken
    leg quarters where they sourced their chicken now that Gino amd Al
    have ceased supplying fresh chicken to the area. They now use Jones Poultry from Barry, MO (in the Missouri Ozarks). I learned that they (Humphrey's) are a jobber for Jones and supply chicken along with
    other meats to the local eateries.

    So you're still covered with good chicken. We tried a 10# bag of leg quarters from a low cost grocery store once--and wrote the store off
    our (mental) list. Between the poor quality of the chicken pieces and
    lots of past expiration date stuff on the shelves, it wasn't a store
    we'd prefer to shop at.

    Humphrey's was, when it was new in the 1950s, a cutting edge
    "supermarket" on the Piggly-Wiggly model. Today it appears small and cramped when it's compared to a Wegman's or Hy-Vee store.

    The A&P in the town I grew up in was quite small for years, then they
    built a new one in 1966 or 67, forget which, but it seemed so nice and
    big. It was taken over by Fresh Town some years ago and was flooded big
    time in 2009. Fights with NYC delayed rebuilding for over a year but
    they finally got it done. We've been in it a few times; it seems quite
    small now. Of course my perspective has changed somewhat as well. (G)

    The 10# of leg quarters have been in my Crock Pot casserole on low
    over night and the house smells amazing. Later this morning the
    work DD> begins. Shredding the meat from the skeletal components and
    getting DD> the bones DD> ready to toast in the oven before making
    stock with them. And DD> parcelling out the shredded chicken for soups
    and chicken n' noodles. DD> Then reserving the fat for schmaltz. Etc.
    Etc. Etc.

    Sounds like some good eating is planned.

    your body will develop work-arounds. And it beats the pain and
    suffering of the wonky part. So says my brother who has had both
    knees and a shoulder done.

    Agreed, as I've got enough of my own implants. The dr, when he took the stitches out, said good therapy is to just keep opening and closing the hand into/out of a fist. It's still buddy taped during the day,
    splinted at night for a couple more weeks but I can use the hand for
    more helper jobs now.

    I'm fortunate in still having most of the parts I was born with - less
    the gall bladder. Heck, I've even still got my appendix. Bv)=

    I've still got my appendix and tonsils, missing my gall bladder and
    wisdom plus one teeth, a knee and now a knuckle. Slowly turning into the
    bionic woman. (G)

    Served this for dinner last week - with Spanish rice n' beans, frozen (pre-made) Green Giant Mexi-corn, and crusty bread.

    Title: Spanish-Style Pork Tenderloin
    Categories: Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    Looks good, may try it with the tenderloin in our freezzer.

    This is one of my few areas of agreement with the brash, abrasive Food Network presenter, Bobby Flay. But, credit where due - it's a good
    recipe


    Title: Rich Chicken Stock
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 3 pints

    I usually use a chicken carcass (amd skin) plus some Braggs Seasoning &
    a bit of salt and turmeric--makes a nice rich stock with minimal fuss.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Dave Drum on Sat Jan 28 11:06:03 2023
    Dave Drum wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    other charitable "feed the poor/homeless" organisations rather than it being binned in the dumpster and then dumpster divers being prosecuted
    if caught,

    Good idea.

    My personal opinion is that giving the stuff to charity is a common
    sense and beneficial rule .... which means it's probably doomed. Bv(=

    Unfortunate truth there Dave.

    Shawn

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Ruth Haffly on Sat Jan 28 11:08:22 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    We aren't working (but for my sporadic sewing income), just using
    Social Security plus Steve's military retirement/disability income. Not hurting but cutting back somewhat on what we buy. The freezer is quite full so we're trying to eat out of that as much as possible, still
    buying fresh fruits & veggies, eggs, breads (until I can get back to baking), almond milk, etc.

    We're also trying to eat out of the freezer right now. I have a bunch of
    soups and stews that we need to get through, plus some roasts and chickens
    we got on sale. We don't need to buy any meat or frozen veg for a a while.

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Sun Jan 29 06:35:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I'm fortunate in still having most of the parts I was born with - less
    the gall bladder. Heck, I've even still got my appendix. Bv)=

    I've still got my appendix and tonsils, missing my gall bladder and
    wisdom plus one teeth, a knee and now a knuckle. Slowly turning into
    the bionic woman. (G)

    Didn't even think about my tonsils. Bv)=

    Served this for dinner last week - with Spanish rice n' beans, frozen (pre-made) Green Giant Mexi-corn, and crusty bread.

    Title: Spanish-Style Pork Tenderloin
    Categories: Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    Looks good, may try it with the tenderloin in our freezzer.

    This is one of my few areas of agreement with the brash, abrasive Food Network presenter, Bobby Flay. But, credit where due - it's a good
    recipe

    Title: Rich Chicken Stock
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 3 pints

    I usually use a chicken carcass (amd skin) plus some Braggs Seasoning &
    a bit of salt and turmeric--makes a nice rich stock with minimal fuss.

    Different strokes, and all that.

    I had to use the Bing search engine on Bragg's. I've not seen it in my
    area so I use Bell's poultry seasoning for many things poultry since I
    keep it in the cabinet.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Homemade Poultry Seasoning
    Categories: Herbs, Spices
    Yield: 12 servings

    2 tb Rosemary; dried
    2 tb Oregano; dried
    2 tb Marjoram; dried
    2 tb Thyme; dried
    2 tb Parsley; dried
    1 tb Sage; dried
    1 ts Ground ginger
    1 ts Celery seed
    1 ts Ground black pepper
    1/4 td Fresh grated nutmeg

    Place all the ingredients into a coffee grinder and
    pulverize to a fine ground powder. This process will
    take approximately 30 seconds.

    Store the pulverized contents in a tightly sealed jar.

    Use your homemade seasoning in amounts as you would any
    other seasoning. You can use this seasoning blend on any
    poultry or in any type of stuffing or dressing for an
    extra special flavor.

    Today I am sharing my homemade copycat recipe for
    Bell’s Poultry Seasoning. Mary from Mary's Nest

    RECIPE FROM: https://marysnest.com

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Shawn Highfield on Sun Jan 29 06:36:00 2023
    Shawn Highfield wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    other charitable "feed the poor/homeless" organisations rather than it being binned in the dumpster and then dumpster divers being prosecuted
    if caught,

    Good idea.

    My county recently passed regulations that allow non-perishables that
    are past their "use/best by" date to food banks and other charities.
    There is also a very arcane set of regulations on perishables. My local
    Hy-Vee store marks pre-packaged meats down by 50% on the "sell by" date.
    If they're not all sold by end of day they go to St. John's Breadline
    or 8th Street Mission's soup kitchen. Expired non-perishables go to the
    Coun ty food bank or St. Martin dePorres for give away.

    But, next county south .... HAH! Illiois is a home rule state so the map
    of what's allowed or denied is a big checkerboard. Bv)=

    My personal opinion is that giving the stuff to charity is a common
    sense and beneficial rule .... which means it's probably doomed. Bv(=

    Unfortunate truth there Dave.

    Sometimes people are just mean. They believe that when a person is down
    that's the best time to kick him. Ron who?

    ... One fifth of the people are against everything all the time.

    That's am optimistic estimate, Proud Boy!

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Basturma (Dried Aged Beef)
    Categories: Beef, Herbs, Chilies
    Yield: 2 Pounds

    2 lb Beef cut of choice; filet
    - mignon or other tender cut
    Coarse salt

    MMMMM-----------------------CHAIMEN SAUCE----------------------------
    3 tb Fenugreek
    3 tb Paprika powder
    1/2 tb Salt
    1/2 tb Black pepper
    1/2 tb Cumin powder
    1/2 tb Cayenne pepper
    1/2 tb Allspice powder
    3 cl Garlic; crushed

    Choice of beef meat, back loin or even filet mignon.

    A large piece of Kitchen String, place at one end and
    pull through to other end, and tie a loop at the end.

    Sprinkle the meat with coarse salt and place in a bowl
    for four days

    After the 4 days, wash off all the salt with water.

    Using the string hang the meat with a pan under to drain
    the water. About 1 hour.

    Then wrap the meat in a cheese cloth, place into a plate,
    cover with a board and place something very heavy on it.

    Change the cheese cloth 4 times in 2 days. (Every 12
    hours)

    Hang in a cool dry, preferrably windy place for 8 days
    and possibly longer until the meat is quite dry

    Make the Chaimen sauce a day before.

    To make the Chaiman, add the ground fenugeek, paprika,
    salt, black pepper, cumin powder, cayenne pepper,
    allspice and crushed garlic with enough water to
    incorporate all the ingredients well together. The
    mixture can be made several weeks ahead of time and
    the longer it stays the longer the flavors will
    marinade together.

    In a large flat dish, place the meat and coat the
    chaiman all over. (Wear plastic gloves For this
    process) Keep in the chaiman for 8 to 10 days.

    Hang once again for 7 to 10 days or until is pretty
    dry.

    Place in a plastic bag or container and best kept in
    a cool place.

    Serve very thinly sliced.

    Traditionally Basturma is eaten just like this, without
    cooking, but can be cooked with eggs, make sandwiches.
    It is served as an Appetizer at parties and events.

    From: http://howtoexpo.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Sun Jan 29 21:44:06 2023
    Hi Shawn,


    We aren't working (but for my sporadic sewing income), just using
    Social Security plus Steve's military retirement/disability income. Not hurting but cutting back somewhat on what we buy. The freezer is quite full so we're trying to eat out of that as much as possible, still
    buying fresh fruits & veggies, eggs, breads (until I can get back to baking), almond milk, etc.

    We're also trying to eat out of the freezer right now. I have a bunch
    of soups and stews that we need to get through, plus some roasts and chickens we got on sale. We don't need to buy any meat or frozen veg
    for a a while.

    Some of the meats in the freezer will probably get recycled into
    stews, stir frys, soups, etc. I just need to sit down and plan meals out
    a bit better. We bought a new freezer last fall--has 4 drawers plus an
    open spot so we sorted stuff as we transferred things from the old
    freezer. I also compiled an inventory sheet, something I used to do but
    had let it slip some years ago. Now I know what's in the freezer and
    basically where it is, just need to clean and sort fridge freezer now
    (after I get more use of the hand).

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Sun Jan 29 21:53:35 2023
    Hi Dave,


    I've still got my appendix and tonsils, missing my gall bladder and
    wisdom plus one teeth, a knee and now a knuckle. Slowly turning into
    the bionic woman. (G)

    Didn't even think about my tonsils. Bv)=

    Used to be that most kids had them out at around age 6 or 7 but with 5
    kids in my family, only one had them pulled. Mom was about to give her
    tomato soup for lunch the day she came home from the hospital but a
    timely call from the dr's office averted that potential disaster.


    Served this for dinner last week - with Spanish rice n' beans, frozen (pre-made) Green Giant Mexi-corn, and crusty bread.

    Title: Spanish-Style Pork Tenderloin
    Categories: Pork, Herbs
    Yield: 4 servings

    Looks good, may try it with the tenderloin in our freezzer.

    This is one of my few areas of agreement with the brash, abrasive Food Network presenter, Bobby Flay. But, credit where due - it's a good
    recipe

    Title: Rich Chicken Stock
    Categories: Poultry, Vegetables, Herbs
    Yield: 3 pints

    I usually use a chicken carcass (amd skin) plus some Braggs Seasoning &
    a bit of salt and turmeric--makes a nice rich stock with minimal fuss.

    Different strokes, and all that.

    I had to use the Bing search engine on Bragg's. I've not seen it in my area so I use Bell's poultry seasoning for many things poultry since I keep it in the cabinet.

    I found my Braggs (last time) at a Sprouts market. IIRC, the time
    before, I found it at either Whole Foods or The Fresh Market, possibly a "health foods store". Nice to have so many options for grocery shopping;
    if I can't find it locally, there's a lot more choices down in Raleigh.
    (G)


    Title: Homemade Poultry Seasoning
    Categories: Herbs, Spices
    Yield: 12 servings

    Nice, looks like something I'll mix up after I use up the bottle in the
    pantry.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Jan 31 04:45:00 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I had to use the Bing search engine on Bragg's. I've not seen it in my area so I use Bell's poultry seasoning for many things poultry since I keep it in the cabinet.

    I found my Braggs (last time) at a Sprouts market. IIRC, the time
    before, I found it at either Whole Foods or The Fresh Market, possibly
    a "health foods store". Nice to have so many options for grocery
    shopping; if I can't find it locally, there's a lot more choices down
    in Raleigh. (G)

    I don't gots any of those near me ... except Food Fantasies which is our
    long time health/natural/organic food and dietary supplements store.
    They do carry Bragg's Unfiltered Cider so they may (probably) carry
    also their spices and mixes. I've just never looked, being happy with
    Bell's or my home-made mix.

    Title: Homemade Poultry Seasoning
    Categories: Herbs, Spices
    Yield: 12 servings

    Nice, looks like something I'll mix up after I use up the bottle in the pantry.

    Happy to be of service. Bv)= That mix does pretty well on pork chops,
    too. I do have a mix I use specifically for pork - which would probably "overpower" chicken.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Pork Seasoning Mix
    Categories: Spices, Herbs, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Jar

    1/4 c Salt
    1/2 ts Bay leaves; ground
    1/8 ts Thyme
    1 ts Dry mustard
    1/4 ts Ginger
    1 tb Black pepper
    1 1/2 tb Garlic powder
    1 ts Paprika
    1/2 ts Chervil
    1 tb White pepper
    1/4 ts Ground sage
    1/2 ts Celery seed
    2 tb Cayenne pepper
    2 tb Onion powder
    1/2 ts Cilantro

    Mix all ingredients together well. Store in a tightly
    covered glass jar for use as needed. Excellent for
    seasoning any any pork dish. Use as you would any
    seasoning mix, and do not add extra salt to the dish
    without tasting first.


    From: http://www.bigoven.com

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Ruth Haffly on Tue Jan 31 09:13:10 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Some of the meats in the freezer will probably get recycled into
    stews, stir frys, soups, etc. I just need to sit down and plan meals
    out a bit better.

    So do we. We don't plan at all, it's just grab and cook.

    We bought a new freezer last fall--has 4 drawers plus
    an open spot so we sorted stuff as we transferred things from the old freezer. I also compiled an inventory sheet, something I used to do but had let it slip some years ago. Now I know what's in the freezer and basically where it is, just need to clean and sort fridge freezer now (after I get more use of the hand).

    Inventory sheet is something I need to do. We have a whiteboard that has magnets on it... Really don't have an excuse do I?

    Shawn

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Dave Drum on Tue Jan 31 09:38:00 2023
    Dave Drum wrote to Ruth Haffly <=-

    I don't gots any of those near me ... except Food Fantasies which is
    our long time health/natural/organic food and dietary supplements
    store. They do carry Bragg's Unfiltered Cider so they may (probably)
    carry also their spices and mixes. I've just never looked, being happy with Bell's or my home-made mix.

    I drink Whitehouse brand ACV to help control my GERD and ulcer. 2 T and a packet of Splenda in 8 oz. room temperature water then down the hatch. It works better than any PPI I've taken and with no side effects. Bragg's is a bit too harsh for me to use for my needs.

    More breakfast:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: Slow-Cooker Cheesy Spinach Breakfast Casserole
    Categories: Breakfast, Cheese/eggs, Crockpot, Seandennis
    Yield: 12 Servings

    2 c Frozen hash brown potatoes
    1 c Original Bisquick mix
    1 c Milk
    8 Eggs
    2 c Chopped fresh spinach
    1 1/2 c Shredded mozzarella cheese
    (6 oz)
    1/4 c Basil pesto
    1 t Minced garlic
    1 Medium vine-ripened tomato,
    Chopped
    Salt and pepper to taste

    Prep time : 10 minutes
    Total time: 3 hours 10 minutes

    1. Line bottom and sides of 6-quart slow cooker with foil; spray with
    cooking spray. Spread frozen hash brown potatoes in single layer in
    bottom of slow cooker.

    2. In large bowl, beat Original Bisquick(TM) mix, milk and eggs with
    whisk until well combined. Stir in spinach, cheese, pesto, garlic,
    tomato, and salt and pepper to taste. Pour mixture evenly over
    potatoes in slow cooker.

    3. Cover; cook on High heat setting about 3 hours or until center is
    set, edges are golden brown and toothpick inserted in center comes
    out clean.

    From:
    http://www.bettycrocker.com/recipes/slow-cooker-cheesy-spinach-breakfa
    st-casserole

    MM'd by Sean Dennis on 20 January 2017.

    MMMMM

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  • From Dave Drum@1:3634/12 to Sean Dennis on Wed Feb 1 06:30:00 2023
    Sean Dennis wrote to Dave Drum <=-

    I don't gots any of those near me ... except Food Fantasies which is
    our long time health/natural/organic food and dietary supplements
    store. They do carry Bragg's Unfiltered Cider so they may (probably)
    carry also their spices and mixes. I've just never looked, being happy with Bell's or my home-made mix.

    I drink Whitehouse brand ACV to help control my GERD and ulcer. 2 T
    and a packet of Splenda in 8 oz. room temperature water then down the hatch. It works better than any PPI I've taken and with no side
    effects. Bragg's is a bit too harsh for me to use for my needs.

    Bragg's *is* pretty stout. When I do it I just "French" the jug and take
    a one mouthful hit. Then wait for the burning to subside and then every
    thing is "cool"/calmed down again and I can sleep.

    This recipe doesn't use vinegar but the raw, unfiltered cider from which
    it is made. It's on my "round tuit" list. So much foor, so little time.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: 2-Ingredient Apple Juice Chicken
    Categories: Five, Poultry, Fruits
    Yield: 4 servings

    1 3/4 c 100% unfiltered apple cider
    1 1/2 lb Skinned/boned chicken thighs
    Salt & pepper

    Heat a deep pan over medium high heat.

    Add the cider first and bring to a low boil.

    Add in the chicken and sprinkle the meat with dashes
    of both salt and pepper.

    Lower everything to a simmer and cover the pan, cooking
    for 15 minutes.

    Flip the chicken over, and cook for another 15 minutes,
    covered.

    At this time, pop the lid up so that steam can escape,
    allowing the apple juice to reduce down (the pan should
    still be partially covered).

    Cook for another 5-10 minutes until the juice is thick
    and syrupy, turning the chicken every few minutes.

    Watch it closely for the last 2-3 minutes, as it can
    burn quickly.

    Remove from heat once the chicken is cooked through and
    the juice resembles honey in consistency.

    Re-season, if desired.

    by: Lauren Goslin

    RECIPE FROM: https://food52.com

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dave Drum on Tue Jan 31 15:08:39 2023
    Hi Dave,

    I found my Braggs (last time) at a Sprouts market. IIRC, the time
    before, I found it at either Whole Foods or The Fresh Market, possibly
    a "health foods store". Nice to have so many options for grocery
    shopping; if I can't find it locally, there's a lot more choices down
    in Raleigh. (G)

    I don't gots any of those near me ... except Food Fantasies which is
    our long time health/natural/organic food and dietary supplements
    store.
    They do carry Bragg's Unfiltered Cider so they may (probably) carry
    also their spices and mixes. I've just never looked, being happy with Bell's or my home-made mix.

    It's worth a look. What I use is similar to the original Mrs. Dash; I
    think a different blend of herbs and spices however. It makes for good
    chicken soup stock seasoning.

    Title: Homemade Poultry Seasoning DD> Categories: Herbs,
    Spices DD> Yield: 12 servings

    Nice, looks like something I'll mix up after I use up the bottle in the pantry.

    Happy to be of service. Bv)= That mix does pretty well on pork
    chops, too. I do have a mix I use specifically for pork - which would probably "overpower" chicken.

    I tend to grab the poultry seasoning for pork chops; basically the same
    thing as using sage, pepper, etc. Doing it all in one plus a bit of salt
    gives the chops a nice flavor.


    Title: Pork Seasoning Mix
    Categories: Spices, Herbs, Chilies
    Yield: 1 Jar

    Something else to consider; I think I've got most of the individual
    spices (with a few exceptions) on the shelf.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Tue Jan 31 15:16:05 2023
    Hi Shawn,


    Some of the meats in the freezer will probably get recycled into
    stews, stir frys, soups, etc. I just need to sit down and plan meals
    out a bit better.

    So do we. We don't plan at all, it's just grab and cook.

    Sometimes I plan, sometimes I don't. Right now I'm letting Steve do more
    of the planning but will offer suggestions. Next week I will be able to
    drop the "buddy banding" of my index and middle fingers--will ask if I
    can take over more kitchen duties then. Right now I'm semi sous cheffing
    for Steve and getting out plates, silverware, etc. I'm also doing a bit
    of the dishwasher loading and most of the unloading. (G)

    We bought a new freezer last fall--has 4 drawers plus
    an open spot so we sorted stuff as we transferred things from the old freezer. I also compiled an inventory sheet, something I used to do but had let it slip some years ago. Now I know what's in the freezer and basically where it is, just need to clean and sort fridge freezer now (after I get more use of the hand).

    Inventory sheet is something I need to do. We have a whiteboard that
    has magnets on it... Really don't have an excuse do I?

    None whatsoever! (G) I do my inventory on paper--easy to add or scratch
    out items, no chance of accidental smudging or erasing. Basically list
    item, poundage (for meat), date put in (month, year) and number of
    packages--a slash line for each package that I can scratch out as I
    remove from the freezer.

    Sirloin steak 1lb 6/22 lllll
    Split pea soup Qt 10/22 lll

    Sometimes I'll list items in general categories (meat; raw, cooked) but
    didn't take the time to do so when we transferred freezers. Steve would
    pull something from the old one, tell me the information, I'd record it
    and he'd go on to the next item, whatever that might be.


    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452 to Ruth Haffly on Thu Feb 2 09:20:17 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Shawn Highfield <=-

    Sirloin steak 1lb 6/22 lllll
    Split pea soup Qt 10/22 lll
    Sometimes I'll list items in general categories (meat; raw, cooked) but didn't take the time to do so when we transferred freezers. Steve would pull something from the old one, tell me the information, I'd record it and he'd go on to the next item, whatever that might be.

    Yeah Andrea and I are going to attempt to inventory the freezer this weekend. She liked the idea as well.

    Shawn

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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Shawn Highfield on Thu Feb 2 16:50:47 2023
    Hi Shawn,


    Sirloin steak 1lb 6/22 lllll
    Split pea soup Qt 10/22 lll
    Sometimes I'll list items in general categories (meat; raw, cooked) but didn't take the time to do so when we transferred freezers. Steve would pull something from the old one, tell me the information, I'd record it and he'd go on to the next item, whatever that might be.

    Yeah Andrea and I are going to attempt to inventory the freezer this weekend. She liked the idea as well.

    You will both find it a lot easier to figure out what you have in the
    deep, dark corners of the bottom of your freezer. (G) As long as you
    remember to take things out in advance so they have time to safely thaw,
    meal planning and cooking will go easier. Tuesday Steve took out some
    shrimp (made into scampi yesterday), some pulled pork (supper tonight),
    a big chicken breast (not sure how we'll fix it but for tomorrow) and
    some scrapple (for a week end breakfast). All marked off the inventory.



    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... I have a mind like a steel ...uh...er...whatchamacallit!

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Denis Mosko on Thu Feb 2 16:59:21 2023
    Hi Denis,

    On (01 Feb 23) Denis Mosko wrote to Ruth Haffly...

    Originating Area: NETMAIL

    Please respond only in the public forum; I've made this request before
    and don't want to make it again.


    ... gnorw og... gnorw og... gnorw og nac gnihton
    What is this, Ruth?

    This is a tag line, read forward it says "nothing can go wrong...go
    wrong...go wrong" The humor of it is that something did go wrong and the
    line was posted backwards.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... It works! Now, if only I could remember what I did.

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Feb 3 21:40:16 2023
    Hello Ruth,

    Please respond only in the public forum; I've made this request before
    and don't want to make it again.

    What is your objection to something somebody writes or responds to
    in private rather than in public? In my world, people are free to
    write whatever they want - in public and in private. However, like
    freedom of speech, there are limits as no freedoms are absolute.

    ... gnorw og... gnorw og... gnorw og nac gnihton
    What is this, Ruth?

    This is a tag line, read forward it says "nothing can go wrong...go wrong...go wrong" The humor of it is that something did go wrong and the line was posted backwards.

    Some folks are dyslexic, or have other learning disabilities.
    Please do not mock them. Thanks.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Your Hole Is Our Goal

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se:4119 (2:203/2)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Lee Lofaso on Sat Feb 4 13:36:02 2023
    Hi Lee,


    Please respond only in the public forum; I've made this request before
    and don't want to make it again.

    What is your objection to something somebody writes or responds to
    in private rather than in public? In my world, people are free to
    write whatever they want - in public and in private. However, like
    freedom of speech, there are limits as no freedoms are absolute.

    As I understand, the people that run the nets have to go thru more work (probably just key tapping but in the right places) to route a net mail
    message to its final destination. Besides, posting in a public forum
    allows others to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, add extra
    enlightenment, etc.


    ... gnorw og... gnorw og... gnorw og nac gnihton
    What is this, Ruth?

    This is a tag line, read forward it says "nothing can go wrong...go wrong...go wrong" The humor of it is that something did go wrong and the line was posted backwards.

    Some folks are dyslexic, or have other learning disabilities.
    Please do not mock them. Thanks.

    I was not mocking anybody; if you know me, you would know it is not
    something I do. Plain and simple, that is how I interpreted the tag
    line.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28


    ... KEYBOARD, A device used to enter errors into a computer.

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Sean Dennis on Thu Feb 9 20:21:34 2023
    ========================================================================
    Copied from NETMAIL by Ruth Haffly (1:396/45.28) ========================================================================
    Hi Sean,

    Sending this to you via net main; don't think it'll jump thru a lot of
    hoops to get to you.

    I was not mocking anybody; if you know me, you would know it is not something I do. Plain and simple, that is how I interpreted the tag
    line.

    I'd advise staying away from "Lee". Bjorn is always argumentative and will always disagree with you, egging you on to cause discord wherever

    I usually do ignore him; posted it in the echo so that if I was wrong,
    somebody would correct me. Most of the time I don't say much but I can
    really light into somebody if I want to, and the time/place is
    appropriate. Is there any way to block unwanted posters on the net? I
    don't know that much about the technology involved but I should think
    there would be some way to do so.

    he is. "Lee" came about when Bjorn was banned from the POLITICS echo
    back in the early 2000s and, thanks to nepotism and Bjorn being a sycophant of Z2C, has been allowed to flourish since then. Bjorn is
    one of the reasons Fidonet is moribund and is notorious for being a filthy-mouthed pervert. I know this, Mike knows this: this is an
    "open secret" in Fidonet.

    The best thing to do with a message from "Lee" or Bjorn is to press
    the "next" key. Trying to reason with Bjorn is useless.

    That's my usual MO. By the way, my middle finger is no longer buddy
    banded to the index one so it cam be used independently. (G)

    Nice that you got a table top oven; we have a small
    toaster/convection/regular oven that gets a lot of use, especially in
    the summer. I bought a set of bakeware for it some time ago; really
    handy for just Steve and me. We had a bigger one at one point; it could
    hold a 13x9 pan but when we bought a new fridge, had to find a
    toaster/etc that just fit the counter top. The other one hung over, into
    the fridge space. I miss the extra size at times but like having the
    extra room in the fridge more so.

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
    rchaffly{at}earthlink{dot}net FIDO 1:396/45.28



    ... 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

    --- PPoint 3.01
    * Origin: Sew! That's My Point (1:396/45.28)
  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to Ruth Haffly on Fri Feb 10 19:02:13 2023
    Ruth Haffly wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

    Sending this to you via net main; don't think it'll jump thru a lot of hoops to get to you.

    That message was not meant to be responded to in public which is why I sent
    it via netmail as it was meant to be private and not shared with the world.

    Please don't do that again. If you can't netmail, which you should be able
    to since you're a point, please respond to me via email.

    -- Sean
    --- MMail/FreeBSD
    * Origin: Outpost BBS * Johnson City, TN (1:18/200)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Sean Dennis on Sat Feb 11 22:34:57 2023
    Hello Sean,

    Sending this to you via net main; don't think it'll jump thru a lot of
    hoops to get to you.

    That message was not meant to be responded to in public

    Ruth and all other participants are free to post whatever messages
    they want. And all participants are free to respond to any and all
    messages they want. Whether Sean the Prick likes it or not.

    which is why I sent it via netmail

    This is a public echo, with all participants free to post whatever
    messages they want. Whether Sean the Prick likes it or not.

    as it was meant to be private and not shared with the world.

    All messages posted in this echo are public, and presumed to be meant
    to be shared with the world. Whether Sean the Prick likes it or not.

    Please don't do that again.

    Participants can do whatever they like. Whether Sean the Prick
    likes it or not.

    If you can't netmail, which you should be able to since you're a
    point, please respond to me via email.

    No netmail is truly private, as per your silly claim. The recipient
    owns it and can do with it whatever he/she wishes. Including posting
    the entire contents in this echo, which is a public forum.

    We are all participants in this echo, not points or some other silly
    nonsense word. As such, all of us, without exception, have the same
    rights and privileges.

    Regardless of how that makes Sean the Prick think or feel.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Not my president!

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se:4119 (2:203/2)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Sean Dennis on Sat Feb 11 22:35:04 2023
    Hello Sean,

    Sending this to you via net main; don't think it'll jump thru a lot of
    hoops to get to you.

    That message was not meant to be responded to in public which is why I sent
    it via netmail as it was meant to be private and not shared with the world.

    Please don't do that again. If you can't netmail, which you should be able
    to since you're a point, please respond to me via email.

    Everything posted in this forum is open game. Including messages
    posted by you. So please. Get a fucking life.

    For Life,
    Lee

    --
    Make Sure Your Next Erection Is In Safe Hands

    --- MesNews/1.08.05.00-gb
    * Origin: news://eljaco.se:4119 (2:203/2)