• Re: Todays Bible Vers 1/2

    From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to CR1MSON on Sun Jun 2 02:20:00 2019
    Jon,

    2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the
    Judgment Seat of Christ; that every one may receive
    the things done in his body, according to that he has
    done, whether it be good or bad.

    Could you clarify what it means by "...the things done in his body, according
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    that he has done..."?

    First, sorry for the long reply below.

    Second, all of the sins committed by the believer on Jesus Christ
    (past, present, and future), were paid for by Christ's shed Blood on
    The Old Rugged Cross of Calvary. If even one sin was NOT paid for,
    Christ would still be in the grave, and all of us would be wasting our
    time. As the Apostle Paul noted in 1 Corinthians 15, "If Christ is not
    risen from the dead, our preaching is in vain...your faith is in
    vain...those who have died in Christ have perished...and we are the most miserable of all creatures. But, Christ IS risen from the dead, and is
    the First Fruits of them that sleep" (a word for Christian death). Later
    in that same chapter (verses 51-55), Paul talks about "a
    mystery"...something that has never been revealed before. In this case,
    it's The Rapture Of The Church.

    Romans 8:1 notes "There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ
    Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit". And, John
    3:16-18 notes "For God so loved the world, that he gave His Only
    Begotten Son, that whosoever believes in (on) Him, should not perish
    (die in their sin), but have eternal life. For God sent His Son in the
    world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be
    saved. He that believes on The Son is NOT CONDEMNED. But, he who does
    not believe on The Son is CONDEMNED ALREADY; because he has not believed
    on The Name of The Only Begotten Son of God".

    Now, once we got saved, we were made alive spiritually, but we did NOT
    lose our sin nature...never mind we still wake up with body odor, bad
    breath, and the call of nature...as well as the rest of ills in this
    life.

    Concerning the Scripture above, for the believer on Jesus, The
    Judgment Seat Of Christ, which will take place immediately after the
    Rapture Of The Church, examines the WORKS of the believers...and NOT the believers themselves (it is NOT a judgment for sin). If the latter was
    true, then Heaven would be empty.

    As for "things done in the body", were these done for our glory (to
    be seen of men)?? If so, that's all the reward we get. Or, were they
    done for The Glory of The Lord??

    Things like the Fifth Commandment of "Honoring your father and your
    mother, so your days may be long upon the Earth" has special meaning for
    me. As you know, my Mom is dying in the nursing home, and for so long,
    I've felt like all that I've done for her (paperwork, phone calls,
    faxes, etc.) has been for nothing.

    Scripture notes that with taking care of ones parents (the roles are reversed), one will be "recompensed at the resurrection of the just".
    However, to me, The Lord deserves ANY of the crowns, rewards, and glory,
    far more than I do. But, with all I've done for her, it's not that I had
    an obligation to do so, but it was "the right thing to do".

    A more thorough explanation on The Bema Judgment Seat Of Christ (which
    is for BELIEVERS ON JESUS ONLY)....from Pentecost until the Rapture, is
    noted below. Even if a believer has all of their works burned up there,
    they will still be in Heaven. They may have a less honorable place in
    Heaven and Christ's Kingdom than others, but they will still be in Heaven...because they did "The One Thing God requires".

    Also, note that those who die in their sins, without doing "the one
    thing God requires" will instead be at The Great White Throne Judgment.
    They will have "no mediator or defense attorney", and because they
    didn't let Jesus pay for their sins, they will pay for them forever, in
    The Lake Of Fire...and with Satan, his demonic hordes, the Antichrist
    (The Beast), and The False Prophet, "will be tormented day and night,
    forever and ever".

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    The Bema Seat -- Judgment Seat Of Christ
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    Bema is a Greek term meaning "judgment seat." In the city of Corinth, a
    stone platform was constructed to support the Bema seat (judgment seat)
    of the local officials. The seat was used to give out awards to athletes
    for their competitive performances (usually a crown wreath of leaves),
    but also to address legal charges brought against individuals. The great Apostle Paul was quite familiar with this seat. This is where he was
    brought before Gallio, who was the proconsul of Achaia at the Bema seat
    (Acts 18:12). This seat was also what Paul referred to in 2 Corinthians
    5:9-11 as the "judgment seat of Christ." In this context, Paul explains
    to us that this is where the Christian will receive an evaluation for
    works done in the body, whether good or bad.

    "Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted
    of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that
    every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he
    hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the
    Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also
    are made manifest in your consciences." 2 Corinthians 5:9-11.

    Who will be Judged at the Bema Seat?

    The Judgment Seat of Christ, is reserved for the judgment of Christians
    only. Born again believers in Christ Jesus. If a person is unsaved and
    dies in sin, he will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment,
    following Christ's millennial reign on earth. As already mentioned,
    2 Corinthians 5:10 tell us "For we must all appear before the Judgment
    Seat Of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

    In addition, Romans 14:10-12 reads, "But why dost thou judge thy brother?
    Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall all stand before
    the Judgment Seat Of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."

    So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. In the
    context of both Scriptures, it is clear that those judged at the Bema Seat
    are Christians, not unbelievers. The Judgment Seat of Christ, therefore, involves believers giving an account of their lives to Christ.

    When will the Judgment Seat of Christ Occur?

    The Judgment of believers will occur immediately following the Rapture.
    The rapture is a future event, an imminent event, when all born again
    believers will be caught up in the air by Jesus and taken home, by Him,
    to Heaven. The timing of the Judgment Seat of Christ is given in the
    following scriptures:

    ! In Luke 14:12-14, reward is associated with the resurrection and the
    rapture is when the church is resurrected. The term Church refers to
    believers.

    ! In Revelation 19:8, when the Lord returns with His bride at the end of
    the tribulation, she is seen already rewarded. Her reward is described as
    fine linen, the righteous acts of the saints undoubtedly the result of
    rewards.

    ! In 2 Timothy 4:8 and 1 Corinthians 4:5, rewards are associated with
    "that day" and with the Lord's coming. Again, for the church this means
    the event of the rapture.

    So the order of events will be (a) the rapture which includes our
    glorification or resurrection bodies, (b) exaltation into the heavens
    with the Lord, (c) examination before the Bema, and (d) compensation or rewards.

    Key Rapture Scriptures

    "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
    voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
    shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
    shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18.

    "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all
    be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
    for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
    and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
    and this mortal [must] put on immortality." 1 Corinthians 15:51-53.

    Who will Judge the Believer, and What is the Purpose of this Judgment?

    John 5:22 states, "the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all
    judgment unto the Son." When we also consider that Christ Jesus is God,
    we must conclude there is no conflict between this passage and other
    biblical scriptures which say that Christ will judge believers at His Appearing.

    Although it is tremendously serious with eternal ramifications, the
    Judgment Seat Of Christ is not a place or time when the Lord will mete
    out punishment for sins committed by the child of God. Rather, it is a
    place where rewards will be given, or lost, depending on how one has
    conducted his life for the Lord.

    It is important to emphasize that the Judgment Seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ's sacrifice on behalf
    of the blood bought believer (1 John 2:2), and the believer's faith in
    Him (John 3:16). All confessed sins are forgiven and believers will never
    be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). To say otherwise would deny the
    efficacy of the death of Jesus Christ, and nullify God's promise that
    "their sins and iniquities will I remember no more" (Hebrews 10:17).

    Instead, the purpose of this Bema Judgment by Jesus Christ is to reward believers based on how faithfully they served Him (1 Corinthians 9:4-27;
    2 Timothy 2:5). Even so, this judgment will also deal with a loss of
    rewards. Again, Paul tells us, in his letter to the Corinthians, "For we
    must all appear before the Judgment Seat Of Christ; that every one may
    receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done,
    whether it be good or bad." The Greek word translated as "bad" in this
    phrase, is based upon the Greek word Phaulos. According to Strong's
    dictionary (#5337), the primary definition of Phaulos is "easy, slight, ordinary, mean, worthless, of no account."

    Again, the purpose of the bema judgment is not to determine the moral
    goodness or evil of our earthly deeds, but whether each deed is acceptable
    or worthless to the Kingdom and Glory of God. That is why 1 Corinthians
    3:13 says that: "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to CR1MSON on Sun Jun 2 02:20:00 2019
    (Continued from previous message)

    shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall
    try every man's work of what sort it is." What is deemed worthless by
    Jesus will be burned up in that fire. The works that survive the fire are
    the deeds for which believers will be rewarded.

    "Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
    wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day
    shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall
    try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he
    hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall
    be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as
    by fire. I Corinthians 3:12-15.

    What works will be judged?

    In general terms, the works that will be judged are:

    (1) how well one obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20),
    (2) was victorious over sin (Romans 6:1-4), and
    (3) how well one controlled his tongue and behavior towards others.
    (James 3:1-9).

    More specifically, the earthly deeds of believers which will be judged at
    the judgment seat of Christ will include the following actions:

    Doctrines and the degree of intellectual honesty exhibited by a person
    when deciding their doctrinal beliefs. (Romans 2:14-16, 14).

    Conduct, behavior, and attitude toward other people. (Matthew 18;
    Romans 14).

    Carnal traits. (Colossians 3; Romans 1-2, 8:1-13, 14:1-23).

    Every word that is spoken. (Matthew 12:32-37; Romans 14).

    Behavior traits that affect others, such as slander, quarrels, idle words, foolishness, dishonesty, broken promises, wrong dealings, and so on.
    (Romans 1:29-32, 12, 1-21, 14:1-23; I Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21; Colossians 3; Ephesians 4:1-32, 5:1-33).

    Personal characteristics, including lost or neglected opportunities, wasted talents, loose living, and lack of spirituality. (Romans 2:14-16;
    Hebrews 2:1-4; Galatians 5:1-26, 6:1-10, Colossians 3).

    Spiritual traits and proclivities such as disobedience, rejection, failure
    to cooperate and yield to the Spirit, and spiritual attitude.
    (1 Corinthians 12; Romans 12; Ephesians 4:1-32, 5:1-33).

    What Rewards will be Received?

    The Judgment Seat of Christ will be a crowning day for those Christians who will receive rewards for their works. (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). Unlike the laurel and ivy crowns received from officials at the Bema seat
    of the Olympics in Corinth, the child of God will receive eternal crowns
    from the Lord Jesus Himself. There are five such crowns to be rewarded:

    The Incorruptible Crown - "And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but
    we an incorruptible." (1 Corinthians 9:25). Once again, Paul has in mind
    the athlete in the Roman arena. Before the contest, each participant
    practiced self-discipline, being temperate in all things. As is true of the world today, there were doubtless many pleasures and pastimes that the
    athletes might have entered into and enjoyed, but they denied themselves
    these things in order to do their best, and receive the crown of the
    victor. The incorruptible crown for the Christian is the victor's crown
    for those who keep under the body and bring it into subjection. It is a conquering of the old nature.

    The Crown of Rejoicing. "For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of
    rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at
    His Coming? For ye are our glory and joy" (1 Thessalonians 2:19-20). This
    is the soul-winner's crown. The first thing that a Christian should pray
    for and seek to cultivate is the desire, ability, and wisdom to win lost
    souls to Jesus Christ. Paul was confident that when he would stand before
    the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Thessalonian converts would guarantee a
    crown for all those who shared in bringing them to Christ. Every time an individual is converted, there is joy in Heaven; but at the day of the
    giving of rewards, the soul-winner will be exceedingly joyful, when those
    are presented to God whom he had won to Christ. What is our hope of reward
    as Christ's witnesses? The answer is in those who will be in Heaven because
    of our prayers, gifts, preaching, and personal work.

    The Crown of Righteousness. "Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that
    day: and not to me only, but unto them also that love His appearing"
    (2 Timothy 4:8). Here the character of the reward corresponds to the
    character of the Giver. Both are said to be righteous. The doctrine of our Lord's return is regarded very highly by God. In spite of the fact that
    Jesus said He would come again, there are many people who scoff at the
    thought of Christ's appearing. This and kindred truths have brought
    suffering and hardship, and in some cases death, to those who insisted on preaching and teaching them. But how wonderful to know that God has
    prepared a special reward for all who look for that blessed hope, who wait
    for His son from Heaven, and who love His appearing.

    The Crown of Life. "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when
    he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath
    promised to them that love Him" (James 1:12). "Fear none of those things
    which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into
    prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be
    thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life"
    (Revelation 2:10).

    The Crown of Life is reserved for those who have given all their lives for
    the sake of the Gospel. Not all of our Lord's witnesses have been called
    to suffering and martyrdom. Not all would be willing to pay with their
    lives to take the message of salvation to the lost. How thoughtful and
    just our heavenly Father was when He prepared a martyr's crown for those
    who suffer persecution for Christ's sake! Though some of us will not
    receive the Crown of Life, we will rejoice with those who refused to count
    the cost and have died proclaiming the Gospel of Christ.

    The Crown of Glory. "Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre,
    but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and
    be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to
    the humble" (1 Peter 5:2-5). There are many who have been called and
    ordained by God to preach and teach His Word. These are the under shepherds
    who care for the flock of God during the absence of the Chief Shepherd.

    SUMMARY

    A good summary of how we should think about the Judgment Seat of Christ
    comes from James 1:12, "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for
    when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him."

    And also, to one day hear the words a prior servant heard, "His lord said
    unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been
    faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter
    thou into the joy of thy lord." Matthew 25:21.

    SOURCES:

    http://www.bible.org

    http://www.frankcaw.com/Bema-Judgment.html

    http://www.gracethrufaith.com

    Strong's dictionary online: http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

    http://www.his-forever.com/judgment_seat_of_christ.htm


    ***

    Now that the sermon is over, we'll take up the offering (just kidding <GRIN!>). That's like the joke where the Minister Of Music was chided by
    the pastor, who had just preached a sermon on tithing...the invitation
    hymn was "Jesus Paid It All". <G>

    Daryl

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  • From Jon Justvig@2:250/5 to Daryl Stout on Thu Oct 17 23:27:19 2019
    On 02 Jun 2019, Daryl Stout said the following...

    First, sorry for the long reply below.

    No need to be sorry.

    Second, all of the sins committed by the believer on Jesus Christ
    (past, present, and future), were paid for by Christ's shed Blood on
    The Old Rugged Cross of Calvary. If even one sin was NOT paid for,
    Christ would still be in the grave, and all of us would be wasting our time. As the Apostle Paul noted in 1 Corinthians 15, "If Christ is not risen from the dead, our preaching is in vain...your faith is in vain...those who have died in Christ have perished...and we are the most miserable of all creatures. But, Christ IS risen from the dead, and is
    the First Fruits of them that sleep" (a word for Christian death). Later in that same chapter (verses 51-55), Paul talks about "a mystery"...something that has never been revealed before. In this case, it's The Rapture Of The Church.

    Romans 8:1 notes "There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit". And, John 3:16-18 notes "For God so loved the world, that he gave His Only
    Begotten Son, that whosoever believes in (on) Him, should not perish
    (die in their sin), but have eternal life. For God sent His Son in the world not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He that believes on The Son is NOT CONDEMNED. But, he who does
    not believe on The Son is CONDEMNED ALREADY; because he has not believed on The Name of The Only Begotten Son of God".

    Now, once we got saved, we were made alive spiritually, but we did NOT lose our sin nature...never mind we still wake up with body odor, bad breath, and the call of nature...as well as the rest of ills in this
    life.

    Usually we clean our soul when we do right.

    Concerning the Scripture above, for the believer on Jesus, The
    Judgment Seat Of Christ, which will take place immediately after the Rapture Of The Church, examines the WORKS of the believers...and NOT the believers themselves (it is NOT a judgment for sin). If the latter was true, then Heaven would be empty.

    As for "things done in the body", were these done for our glory (to
    be seen of men)?? If so, that's all the reward we get. Or, were they
    done for The Glory of The Lord??

    Things like the Fifth Commandment of "Honoring your father and your mother, so your days may be long upon the Earth" has special meaning for me. As you know, my Mom is dying in the nursing home, and for so long, I've felt like all that I've done for her (paperwork, phone calls,
    faxes, etc.) has been for nothing.

    My dad would have been 82 this year... it's been awhile since I seen my mom.

    Scripture notes that with taking care of ones parents (the roles are reversed), one will be "recompensed at the resurrection of the just". However, to me, The Lord deserves ANY of the crowns, rewards, and glory, far more than I do. But, with all I've done for her, it's not that I had an obligation to do so, but it was "the right thing to do".

    A more thorough explanation on The Bema Judgment Seat Of Christ (which is for BELIEVERS ON JESUS ONLY)....from Pentecost until the Rapture, is noted below. Even if a believer has all of their works burned up there, they will still be in Heaven. They may have a less honorable place in Heaven and Christ's Kingdom than others, but they will still be in Heaven...because they did "The One Thing God requires".

    Also, note that those who die in their sins, without doing "the one thing God requires" will instead be at The Great White Throne Judgment. They will have "no mediator or defense attorney", and because they
    didn't let Jesus pay for their sins, they will pay for them forever, in The Lake Of Fire...and with Satan, his demonic hordes, the Antichrist
    (The Beast), and The False Prophet, "will be tormented day and night, forever and ever".

    The Lord is coming soon.

    Sincerely,
    Jonathan Justvig

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