Hello folks!

Long time no talk.

How's everyone doing?

Just checking in to see if everything on my end is working correctly.

Thanks!

Dave Perrussel aka Diamond Dave
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Hi Dave,

On 2020-11-23 08:19:57, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 6205.fidoasianlin@1:275/89 2421053a
@PID: Synchronet 3.18c-Win32 Oct 16 2020 MSC 1927
@TZUTC: -0500
@TID: SBBSecho 3.11-Win32 r3.179 Oct 16 2020 MSC 1927
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@NOTE: WWIVEDIT
Hello folks!

Long time no talk.

How's everyone doing?

Just checking in to see if everything on my end is working correctly.

It got here, so it seems to work.

But I think FIDOTEST is a better area for this kind of messages. ;-)

Thanks!

Dave Perrussel aka Diamond Dave
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SEEN-BY: 15/0 19/36 106/201 116/18 123/140 124/5016 153/105 135 757 802 SEEN-BY: 153/6809 7001 7715 154/10 203/0 218/700 221/0 1 6 360 222/2 SEEN-BY: 229/101 230/0 150 152 240/1120 5832 250/1 261/38 100 1466

266/512

SEEN-BY: 267/155 275/0 89 91 93 95 96 98 100 101 103 201 301 280/464 SEEN-BY: 280/5003 282/1031 1056 288/100 291/100 111 292/8125 310/31 SEEN-BY: 320/119 219 335/364 340/400 341/66 342/17 396/45 423/81 120 SEEN-BY: 460/58 640/1321 712/848 770/1 801/161 189 2320/105 3634/12 SEEN-BY: 4500/1 5020/715 1042
@PATH: 275/89 100 261/38 153/757 221/6 1 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hey Dave!

Here is what shows up here;

@TZUTC: -0500
@MSGID: 6205.fidoasianlin@1:275/89 2421053a
@PID: Synchronet 3.18c-Win32 Oct 16 2020 MSC 1927
@TID: SBBSecho 3.11-Win32 r3.179 Oct 16 2020 MSC 1927
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@NOTE: WWIVEDIT
Hello folks!

Long time no talk.

How's everyone doing?

Just checking in to see if everything on my end is working correctly.

Thanks!

Dave Perrussel aka Diamond Dave
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Life is good,
Maurice

... Seo nydþearf feala læreð.
Necessity teaches many things.
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Re: Hello!
By: Dave Perrussel to All on Mon Nov 23 2020 08:19 am

I got it.

Tim
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Hallo Maurice!

This has to go;

@TZUTC: 0000

I am sorry but I find this totally repulsive. I say we go back to the RFC-3339 flag or put everything back to UTC just like mom used to do.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Ellen sceal on eorle; ecg sceal wið hellme hilde gebidan.
Courage belongs in a warrior; sword against helmet shall face battle.
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Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-23 10:55:46, you wrote to you:

@TZUTC: -0800

This has to go;

@TZUTC: 0000

I am sorry but I find this totally repulsive.

Yes the -0800 is mucht better.

I say we go back to the RFC-3339 flag or put everything back to UTC
just like mom used to do.

You can put both in your messages...

Bye, Wilfred.

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-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-23 19:12:14 +0000 }=-

Hey Wilfred!

I think I have come up with a routine that corrects the msg datetime stamp relative to the user's perspective that also compensates for the corrupted TZUTC offset. The above corrected datetime was generated from the msg I am replying to. The output's format in strftime()-speak is "%F %T %z" and can easily be adjusted to the enduser's preference. I don't believe it would be wise to output it to a flag given it is to the enduser's configuration rather than fidonet at large.

What a hassel. Personally I don't see it being worth the effort but all things considered I believe the above corrected datetime stamp, or something like it, would be an appropriate replacement for the ftn msg header's datetime stamp and should have happened roughly 18 years ago.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Gomol snoterost, fyrngearum frod, se þe ær feala gebideð.
An old person is wisest, sage from past years, he who has endured much.
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* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-23 23:19:37 -0800 }=-

Hallo Maurice!

"UTC_OFFSET: 0000" should be changed to "TZUTC: 0000" for the routine to correct it. ;-)

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Se ðe him ealne weg ondræt, se bið swylce he sy ealne weg cwellende.
He who is always afraid is like one who is always dying.
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-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-24 00:00:20 +0000 }=-

Hey Maurice!

"UTC_OFFSET: 0000" should be changed to "TZUTC: 0000" for the
routine to correct it.

How does this one look? I see the above corrected date corrected yours from PST8PDT to UTC correctly as well as displays a proper utc offset unlike the crappy TZUTC flag.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Man byþ on myrgþe his magan leof; sceal þeah anra gehwylc oðrum swican.
Man in joy is dear to his kin; but they will have to part.
--- GNU bash, version 5.0.18(1)-release (x86_64-motorshed-linux-gnu)
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-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-23 16:18:34 -0800 }=-

Hallo Maurice!

How does this one look?

Bingo! It now works as advertized.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Onwald mæg wel reccean se þe ægðer ge hiene habban con ge wiðwinnan.
He wields power well who can both hold and resist it.
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Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-23 23:19:37, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 1:153/7001 5fbc4389
@REPLY: 2:280/464 5fbc09bf
@CHRS: UTF-8 4

@UTC_OFFSET: 0000
-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-23 19:12:14 +0000 }=-

Those are non standard. And the 'TZUTC: -0800' is missing. Now if there is fido software that sorts messsages chronologically, it can't do it correctly.

I think I have come up with a routine that corrects the msg datetime
stamp relative to the user's perspective that also compensates for the corrupted TZUTC offset. The above corrected datetime was generated
from the msg I am replying to. The output's format in
strftime()-speak is "%F %T %z" and can easily be adjusted to the
enduser's preference. I don't believe it would be wise to output it
to a flag given it is to the enduser's configuration rather than
fidonet at large.

What a hassel. Personally I don't see it being worth the effort but
all things considered I believe the above corrected datetime stamp, or something like it, would be an appropriate replacement for the ftn msg header's datetime stamp and should have happened roughly 18 years ago.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-23 16:00:20, you wrote to you:

@MSGID: 2:280/464.113 5fbc4d14
@REPLY: 1:153/7001 5fbc4389
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@TZUTC: -0800
-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-23 23:19:37 -0800 }=-

Hallo Maurice!

"UTC_OFFSET: 0000" should be changed to "TZUTC: 0000" for the routine to correct it. ;-)

Right! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-24 00:18:34, you wrote to you:

@MSGID: 1:153/7001 5fbc515a
@REPLY: 2:280/464.113 5fbc4d14
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@TZUTC: 0000
-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-24 00:00:20 +0000 }=-

This last datetime stamp is different from the one in the header...

"UTC_OFFSET: 0000" should be changed to "TZUTC: 0000" for the
routine to correct it.

How does this one look? I see the above corrected date corrected yours from PST8PDT to UTC correctly as well as displays a proper utc offset unlike the crappy TZUTC flag.

... So it doesn't look good at all!


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-23 16:28:20, you wrote to you:

@MSGID: 2:280/464.113 5fbc53a4
@REPLY: 1:153/7001 5fbc515a
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@TZUTC: -0800
-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-23 16:18:34 -0800 }=-

Hallo Maurice!

How does this one look?

Bingo! It now works as advertized.

There still is a 10 minute difference between the 2 dates.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-24 04:01:47 -0800 }=-

Hallo Wilfred!

And the 'TZUTC: -0800' is missing.

I caught that after I read it on this point. The above corrected datetime is for YOUR msg and NOT this msg (reply). Your msg has the date "24 Nov 20 13:01:47" with "TZUTC: 0100" which is the same as "2020-11-24 04:01:47 -0800" when corrected to PST.

Anyhow now that I am sure it will work I now plan to turn it off after this reply. For all it does it isn't worth the effort but I had to try it to prove it to myself.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Gleawe men sceolon gieddum wrixlan.
Wise men should exchange sayings.
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Hallo Wilfred!

-={ Corrected datetime: 2020-11-24 00:00:20 +0000 }=-

This last datetime stamp is different from the one in the header...

Which header? ;-)

It was corrected from the msg I was replying to and not the msg header's datetime. Anyhow as you can see I am no longer doing that. I've seen enough, how about you?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Yr biþ æþelinga and eorla gehwæs wynn and weorþmynd.
A bow is to princes and warriors everywhere a joy and an honour.
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Hey Maurice!

Anyhow now that I am sure it will work I now plan to turn it off
after this reply.

As you can see I am following your lead and turned it off here as well now that we're sure it could work for display purposes at the enduser's view. As for myself I am still ignoring datetimes for the mostpart and am reading msgs in the order they arrive here as I have since way back when.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Widgongel wif word gespringeð, oft hy mon wommum bilihð.
A far-wandering woman causes talk; often she is accused of sins.
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1:153/7001 5fbd097f
Hey Maurice!

Anyhow now that I am sure it will work I now plan to turn it off
after this reply.

As you can see I am following your lead and turned it off here as well

now that we're sure it could work for display purposes at the enduser's view. As for myself I am still ignoring datetimes for the mostpart and am reading msgs in the order they arrive here as I have since way back when.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Widgongel wif word gespringe?, oft hy mon wommum bilih?.
A far-wandering woman causes talk; often she is accused of sins.

It can still be useful to have the right "timing" between replies. Here is a representation of your experimentation thread. I can tell which message was used as a reply to a previous one, not just the chronological order. https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fbd0def.jpg




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Hallo Maurice!

@REPLY: 2:280/464.113 5fbd02d6
@MSGID: 1:153/7001 5fbd097f
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@TZUTC: 0000
Hey Maurice!

Anyhow now that I am sure it will work I now plan to turn it off after this reply.

As you can see I am following your lead and turned it off here as well now that we're sure it could work for display purposes at the enduser's view. As for myself I am still ignoring datetimes for the mostpart and am reading msgs in the order they arrive here as I have since way back when.

That works for me.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Hy twegen sceolon tæfle ymbsittan þenden him hyra torn toglide.
Two should sit at a game together, until their troubles slip away.
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Hallo August!

Here is a representation of your experimentation thread. I can
tell which message was used as a reply to a previous one, not
just the chronological order.
https://brorabbit.g0x.ru/pic/5fbd0def.jpg

Nice screenshot. At present I have no such routine to replicate that and wasn't planning to.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Ne byð þæt fele freond, se þe oþrum facn heleð.
He who harbours treachery against another is not a faithful friend.
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Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-24 05:09:38, you wrote to me:

@TZUTC: -0800

This last datetime stamp is different from the one in the header...

It was corrected from the msg I was replying to and not the msg
header's datetime. Anyhow as you can see I am no longer doing that.
I've seen enough, how about you?

If the above "On" date time, and TZUTC are corresponding correctly to eachother, that is enough for me. ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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Hey Wilfred!

If the above "On" date time, and TZUTC are corresponding
correctly to eachother, that is enough for me. ;)

That works for me. As you can see this reply is wrt UTC and is up to the second accurate which is all it needs to be to ensure it isn't the weak link in any attempt to "correct" it for whatever evil, demented purpose the enduser has in mind without altering the original. Thus based on the ftn datetime and the TZUTC a correction to your TZUTC would result in the date being displayed as "2020-11-24 15:27:28 +0100". For TZ=PST8PDT the corrected datetime would be displayed as "2020-11-24 06:27:28 -0800" which I can confirm by looking at the clock on the wall.

It is all relative.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Wyrd oft nereð unfægne eorl þonne his ellen deah.
Fate often saves an undoomed man, when his courage is good.
--- GNU bash, version 5.0.18(1)-release (x86_64-motorshed-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hi Maurice,

On 2020-11-24 14:27:28, you wrote to me:

For TZ=PST8PDT the corrected datetime would be displayed as
"2020-11-24 06:27:28 -0800" which I can confirm by looking at the
clock on the wall.

So why do you leave the conversion up to us? You have proven you can send echomails where it's already corrected! It's getting a little bit annoying... ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
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Hallo Wilfred!

It's getting a little bit annoying... ;)

It has been annoying since sometime back in late 1999 and hasn't stopped being a major source of grief ever since.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

... Yrre oft amyrreð monnes mod þæt he ne mæg þæt riht gecnawan.
Anger often disturbs a man's mind so that he cannot see the right.
--- GNU bash, version 5.0.18(1)-release (x86_64-motorshed-linux-gnu)
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Re: Hello!
By: Dave Perrussel to All on Mon Nov 23 2020 08:19 am

Hello folks!

Long time no talk.

How's everyone doing?

Just checking in to see if everything on my end is working correctly.

Thanks!

Dave Perrussel aka Diamond Dave

Hi Dave! hooking up a new node here.

xxcarol
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Re: Hello!
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Dave Perrussel on Sat Dec 26 2020 02:30 pm

Dave Perrussel aka Diamond Dave

Hi Dave! hooking up a new node here.

xxcarol

Cool! Are they in Virginia or elsewhere?

Nice to see you posting again.

*** Diamond Dave ***
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Re: Hello!
By: Dave Perrussel to Carol Shenkenberger on Sun Dec 27 2020 12:16 pm

Re: Hello!
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Dave Perrussel on Sat Dec 26 2020 02:30 pm

Dave Perrussel aka Diamond Dave

Hi Dave! hooking up a new node here.

xxcarol

Cool! Are they in Virginia or elsewhere?

Nice to see you posting again.

*** Diamond Dave ***

Server is in VA so listing is best here. In today's virtual world, sometimes thats best we can do! (his actual personal location is a fidonet dead zone apparently).

xxcarol
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Re: Hello!
By: Carol Shenkenberger to Dave Perrussel on Fri Jan 01 2021 09:46 am

Server is in VA so listing is best here. In today's virtual world,

sometime

thats best we can do! (his actual personal location is a fidonet dead zone apparently).

Yeah, I see he's in "Ashburn" which mean he's running it in the cloud? :)

(I've seen quite a few BBSes that way, actually!)

*** Diamond Dave ***
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Yeah, I see he's in "Ashburn" which mean he's running it in the cloud? :)

Ashburn is the best place in the world for a BBS to live. It's warm, the grass is greener. We've got the Potomac Heritage Trail and the Ashburn Icehouse, so the BBS is never without fun things to do. ;)

Plus running the BBS on a VPS has perks. There's no need to deal with dns service, the IP is static, the home computer is unaffected, processor speed is incredible.

Ashburn is the best!

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This echo seems pretty dead... is there anybody home?

Dave
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Hey Dave!

This echo seems pretty dead... is there anybody home?

I am not dead yet ... feelining better ... I think I'll go for a walk.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ræd biþ nyttost, yfel unnyttost.
Good advice is the most useful thing, bad the least useful.
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Re: Hello!
By: Maurice Kinal to Dave Perrussel on Sat May 28 2022 04:28 am

I am not dead yet ... feelining better ... I think I'll go for a walk.

Life is good,
Maurice

LOL! Love the Monty Python quote :)

Dave
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Hey Dave!

Love the Monty Python quote

No, please! This is meant to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who ...

Life is good,
Maurice

... Yrre oft amyrreð monnes mod þæt he ne mæg þæt riht gecnawan.
Anger often disturbs a man's mind so that he cannot see the right.
--- GNU bash, version 5.1.16(1)-release (x86_64-znver1-linux-gnu)
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Re: Hello!
By: Dave Perrussel to All on Fri May 27 2022 08:47 pm

This echo seems pretty dead... is there anybody home?

It goes it spurts Dave. I'm sure your message will start it back up.. :)

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This echo seems pretty dead... is there anybody home?

Well it's less dead no - Hey from NZ.

Nick


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Hey Nick!

Well it's less dead no

I don't want to go on the cart.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Gewurdene wyrda, ðæt beoð ða feowere fæges rapas.
Things which have happened: those are the four ropes of the doomed.
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Re: Re: Hello!
By: Nick Mackechnie to Dave Perrussel on Sun May 29 2022 11:15 am

This echo seems pretty dead... is there anybody home?

Well it's less dead no - Hey from NZ.

Nick

Hi Nick! As Maurce says, we go in spurts here.

xxcarol
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Re: Re: Hello!
By: Nick Mackechnie to Dave Perrussel on Sun May 29 2022 11:15 am

This echo seems pretty dead... is there anybody home?

Well it's less dead no - Hey from NZ.

Nick

Hi Nick! As Maurce says, we go in spurts here.

LOL. I'm afraid I found that way too amusing

JD

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NZ? I just got back from there last week. I have been back and forth quite a few times this year. In love with that country!

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NZ? I just got back from there last week. I have been back and forth quite
a few times this year. In love with that country!

Cool, I live in Christchurch, Where abouts in NZ did you go?

Nick

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