I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild
<faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and
kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
Why? It's only around 10MB?
"rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the
packages
that require it, but don't expect them to work without it. kdenlive and clipgrab
use it.
Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
version
as part of the process of updating from the core version to the tainted version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted version.
On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild
<faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab
and kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
Why? It's only around 10MB?
"rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the
packages that require it, but don't expect them to work without it.
kdenlive and clipgrab use it.
Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
version as part of the process of updating from the core version to
the tainted version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive
and clipgrab.
There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
version.
Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
mga9 kdenlive just complained about audio codec acc I assume may have something to do with ffmpeg tainted being absent
regards
On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 18:50:46 -0500, faeychild
<faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
I have ffmpeg untainted installed. To remove it also nukes clipgrab and
kdenlive. They can be reinstalled but it's annoying.
Why? It's only around 10MB?
"rpm -e --nodeps ffmpeg" will uninstall it without uninstalling the
packages
that require it, but don't expect them to work without it. kdenlive
and clipgrab
use it.
Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
version
as part of the process of updating from the core version to the tainted
version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
version.
Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
mga9 kdenlive just complained about audio codec acc I assume may have something to do with ffmpeg tainted being absent
regards
A while back when I was getting into Linux something wanted codecs and I found a package of codecs by doing a Internet search
probably with Google. I don't think DuckDuckGo had gotten off the
pond yet. Anyway i found those codec and added them as directed in
the enclosed file Read.me file. Suddenly a great many things no
longer asked for codecs. Whether this is of help or not I do not
know but maybe...
Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
version
as part of the process of updating from the core version to the tainted version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted version.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
On 9/3/24 11:11, David W. Hodgins wrote:
Note. If you install the tainted version, it will uninstall the core
version
as part of the process of updating from the core version to the tainted
version. The tainted version also can be used by kdenlive and clipgrab.
There is no need to uninstall the core version to install the tainted
version.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
I bit the bullet a little before your post
before and after
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9.tainted
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$
Now xine is blasting through mp4's at speed, probably codecs also.
never mind I have work arounds
I bit the bullet a little before your postxine needed a reboot, probably to pickup the new ffmpeg
before and after
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$ rpm -qa |grep ffmpeg
ffmpegthumbs-23.04.1-1.mga9
ffmpeg-5.1.3-3.mga9.tainted
[faeychild@unmatrix ~]$
Now xine is blasting through mp4's at speed, probably codecs also.
never mind I have work arounds
All fine
Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and all
On 2024-03-08 23:03, faeychild wrote:
Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and allIt doesn't exactly have the same name - the tainted version has
"tainted" on the end of the rpm name.
When there are tainted and non-tainted (core) versions of the same rpm, Mageia's update tools consider the tainted version to be higher than the
core version, and so updates it in the normal fashion, by installing the update first and removing the old package after.
On Mon, 11 Mar 2024 09:09:52 -0400, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
On 2024-03-08 23:03, faeychild wrote:
Does it overwrite the untainted? - having the same name and allIt doesn't exactly have the same name - the tainted version has
"tainted" on the end of the rpm name.
When there are tainted and non-tainted (core) versions of the same rpm,
Mageia's update tools consider the tainted version to be higher than the
core version, and so updates it in the normal fashion, by installing the
update first and removing the old package after.
Installing an update, which includes switching from the core to the tainted version, replaces (writes new temp, unlinks old, renames temp to the proper name) any files that have the same path and file name, and may write additional
files. Any files that were present in the old version, that are not in the update, are unlinked and the info about the package including which
files it
owns (aka package meta data) is then deleted from the rpm database in /var/lib/rpm.
It's the unlinking and renaming of files, as well database updates that are the "uninstalling" part of a package update.
urpmi groups package installations into transactions, at the end of each transaction. The urpmi database in /var/cache/urpmi which stores info about which installed packages are required by other packages, is updated
after the
end of each transaction
Unlinking (aka deleting) is removing the name and inode entry from from the directory file in the file system, and freeing all inodes in use by the file.
The data in the file is still present until the part of the storage area containing it is overwritten.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
And that's all I as a non-technical user really thought I needed to
know, as long as it works.
All fine
Glad it's working.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:41:03 -0400, faeychild
<faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
$ rpm -q --requires kdenlive|grep ffm
ffmpeg
ffmpeg should have been included during the install of kdenlive.
On 2024-03-17 13:41, David W. Hodgins wrote:
On Sun, 17 Mar 2024 02:41:03 -0400, faeychildIt's dangerous to assume something that was not said, but I believe he
<faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were
installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
$ rpm -q --requires kdenlive|grep ffm
ffmpeg
ffmpeg should have been included during the install of kdenlive.
meant that the core version of ffmpeg was installed, but the tainted
version was not.
Kdenlive is a core package, so therefore cannot require any tainted
packages to install and run, but that doesn't mean all the features are available without the appropriate tainted packages.
As to why ffmpeg core wasn't updated to ffmpeg tainted with the other core-to-tainted packages, I don't have a clue.
On 10/3/24 02:55, David W. Hodgins wrote:
All fine
Glad it's working.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Yet despite this I found that while task-codec-audio/video tainted were installed, ffmpeg wasn't.
I discovered this when trying to run kdenlive - now corrected
And not even a breath of a problem with xine, it's flawless
Regards
On 2024-03-17, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
On 10/3/24 02:55, David W. Hodgins wrote:....
All fine
Glad it's working.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
Not everythng in tainted, or in any of the other repositories, are
installed. That would end you up with probably with 100GB or so of
installed stuff. ffmpeg is file with somewhat dubious legality in many
parts of the world, and Mageia would not want to be arrested for
encouraging lawbreaking in some corner of the world. Thus it is almost certainly not on the list of stuff installed automaticall. You need to install it specially yourself, so that only you would get arrested if it happened to be illegal in your neck of the woods.
So, just install it.
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