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    From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Fri Dec 1 05:21:34 2023


    Today I plugged in a flash memory stick which shows up in the 'Places"
    panel in Dolphin under removable devices

    Much later I right clicked on the entry and from the menu selected what
    I read to say as "Sadly Remove" rather than safely remove

    Senior's moment

    It did lighten my day considerably :-)


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Fri Dec 1 06:13:33 2023
    Reply-To: blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com

    On 11/30/23 21:21, faeychild wrote:


    Today I plugged in a flash memory stick which shows up in the 'Places"
    panel in Dolphin under removable devices

    Much later I right clicked on the entry and from the menu selected what
    I read to say as  "Sadly Remove"  rather than safely remove

    Senior's moment

    It did lighten my day considerably  :-)


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    Mageia release 8

    If you pull it out of the socket while it is mounted
    then you will have "Sadly Removed" it and you may be very sorry.

    I know I have been very Sad when I did that.
    For someone who hates loss of data I am very good at that.

    bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2023.11- Linux 6.5.13- Plasma 5.27.9

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to faeychild on Fri Dec 1 16:47:47 2023
    Hello faeychild!

    Friday December 01 2023 05:21, faeychild wrote to All:



    Today I plugged in a flash memory stick which shows up in the 'Places"
    panel in Dolphin under removable devices

    Much later I right clicked on the entry and from the menu selected
    what I read to say as "Sadly Remove" rather than safely remove

    Senior's moment

    It did lighten my day considerably :-)


    --
    Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
    Mageia release 8


    There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based on my upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from production) as an experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up - possibly something to do with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip based product.

    Will who ever deals with such matters at Mageia sort out usage of the
    nvidia drivers etc and no I do not reallly wish to the the O/S version if
    I can avoid it.

    That said I have no idea of how to get around the boot failure and update
    the system with latest updates to see if it resolves the issue.

    Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.

    Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but there
    again my memory is not as good as it used to be :(

    Vincent


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 2 15:15:11 2023
    On 2023-12-01 11:47, Vincent Coen wrote:
    There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based on my upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from production) as an experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up - possibly something to do with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip based product.

    Will who ever deals with such matters at Mageia sort out usage of the
    nvidia drivers etc and no I do not reallly wish to the the O/S version if
    I can avoid it.

    That said I have no idea of how to get around the boot failure and update
    the system with latest updates to see if it resolves the issue.

    Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.

    Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but there again my memory is not as good as it used to be 🙁

    Vincent

    You didn't mention which "old Nvidia chip" you are using.

    Sadly, if it's a chip that requires a proprietary driver lower than
    nvidia470, Nvidia has chosen not to support it any longer, so it will
    not build with the M9 kernels. That means Mageia won't be supporting it, either.

    Your choices are limited:

    1. Use the open source nouveau driver.
    2. Buy a newer Nvidia card.
    3. Switch to an AMD gpu. AMD is much better these days at supporting the open-source Linux drivers than Nvidia. (That last sentence is my
    opinion. YMMV.)

    TJ

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 2 15:19:07 2023
    On 2023-12-01 00:21, faeychild wrote:

    Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
    Mageia release 8

    Just so you know, except for a few loose ends support for Mageia 8
    officially ended yesterday.

    Time to move on to Mageia 9.

    TJ


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 2 22:14:17 2023
    On 1/12/23 17:13, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


        If you pull it out of the socket while it is mounted
    then you will have "Sadly Removed" it and you may be very sorry.

    I believe that I've done that a little more than once
    More so when the stick was plugged into the tower under the desk. It's
    now on the end of a USB extension cable laying on the desk


    I know I have been very Sad when I did that.
    For someone who hates loss of data I am very good at that.

    bliss - Dell Precision 7730- PCLOS 2023.11- Linux 6.5.13- Plasma 5.27.9

    I see you run PCLOS. I always liked the magazine

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 2 22:25:35 2023
    On 2/12/23 03:47, Vincent Coen wrote:


    There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based on my upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from production) as an experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up - possibly something to do with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip based product.

    I remember the old days of installing the Nvidia drivers with the
    foo.run file. Always a breath holding exercise and fraught with peril>




    Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.

    Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but there again my memory is not as good as it used to be :(


    I am holding off on V9. V8 is currently not broken so I'll wait until
    I'm forced off kicking and screaming- a bit like with V7


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 2 22:30:02 2023
    On 3/12/23 02:19, TJ wrote:
    On 2023-12-01 00:21, faeychild wrote:

    Running KDE on x86_64 5.15.126-desktop-1.mga8
    Mageia release 8

    Just so you know, except for a few loose ends support for Mageia 8 officially ended yesterday.

    Time to move on to Mageia 9.

    I will hold on as long as possible.

    Last time the browser became to old and I had to upgrade V8


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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to TJ on Mon Dec 4 20:42:47 2023
    Hello TJ!

    Saturday December 02 2023 15:15, TJ wrote to All:

    On 2023-12-01 11:47, Vincent Coen wrote:
    There again if you are trying to run v9 that would be tricky based
    on my upgrade attempt - luckily using another partition (from
    production) as an experimental upgrade that fails to fully boot up -
    possibly something to do with my graphic card a old Nvidia chip
    based product.

    Will who ever deals with such matters at Mageia sort out usage of
    the nvidia drivers etc and no I do not reallly wish to the the O/S
    version if I can avoid it.

    That said I have no idea of how to get around the boot failure and
    update the system with latest updates to see if it resolves the
    issue.

    Just as well as I used a test partition that had v8 on it.

    Seem to recall having an issue booting when going from v7 -> v8 but
    there again my memory is not as good as it used to be 🙁

    Vincent

    You didn't mention which "old Nvidia chip" you are using.

    The results from MCC -> Videocard is

    --
    Identification
    Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Description: GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
    Media class: VGA compatible controller

    Connection
    Bus: PCI Express
    PCI domain: 0
    Bus PCI #: 1
    PCI device #: 0
    PCI function #: 0
    PCI revision: 0xa1
    Vendor ID: 0x10de
    Device ID: 0x104a
    Sub vendor ID: 0x1043
    Sub device ID: 0x8411

    Misc
    Module: Card:NVIDIA GeForce 420 to GeForce 630
    --

    Does this help ?

    Sadly, if it's a chip that requires a proprietary driver lower than nvidia470, Nvidia has chosen not to support it any longer, so it will
    not build with the M9 kernels. That means Mageia won't be supporting
    it, either.

    My v8 system uses 390 i.e., nvidia390-cuda-opecl, dkms-nvidia390.

    There are others i.e., x11-driver-video-nvidia390 and
    lib64nvidia-egl-wayland1



    Your choices are limited:

    1. Use the open source nouveau driver.
    2. Buy a newer Nvidia card.
    3. Switch to an AMD gpu. AMD is much better these days at supporting
    the open-source Linux drivers than Nvi
  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Tue Dec 5 20:14:25 2023
    On 2023-12-04 15:42, Vincent Coen wrote:
    Identification
    Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Description: GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
    Media class: VGA compatible controller

    Connection
    Bus: PCI Express
    PCI domain: 0
    Bus PCI #: 1
    PCI device #: 0
    PCI function #: 0
    PCI revision: 0xa1
    Vendor ID: 0x10de
    Device ID: 0x104a
    Sub vendor ID: 0x1043
    Sub device ID: 0x8411

    Misc
    Module: Card:NVIDIA GeForce 420 to GeForce 630
    -- Does this help ?

    The 470 module is the module for GeForce 635 to Geforce 920 cards, so
    yours isn't covered by the proprietary drivers. You would have to use
    nouveau.

    If I have then I guess I have to BUT
    how do I change it when the boot fails?

    If using grub2: select the "Advanced" option, and from there use the "recovery" option. When prompted, enter the root password to log on in
    text mode as root. Then use the command "XFdrake" to select your
    graphics card. That should do it, but you might have to play with it a
    little.

    Problem for switching cards is
    that I am running AMD FX8350 8(?) core that is at least 10 years old and
    as I am now 76 I thought it would see me out. Vincent

    I just bought a used Quadro K620 card on ebay for $20US, not because of
    any real need for it, but so I could test updates of the current nvidia drivers for Mageia QA. That particular model is supposed to work with
    any of the three Proprietary nvidia drivers currently supported in
    Mageia. There were more of them available there when I looked.

    BTW, I'm 74.

    TJ

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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to TJ on Thu Dec 7 00:03:18 2023
    Hello TJ!

    Tuesday December 05 2023 20:14, TJ wrote to All:


    I have bitten the bullet and rebooted my system in the test update
    partition that's the subject of this problem and used the advanced boot
    option and just let it fully boot.

    After a week or so (well it felt like it as the partition is on a WD Red
    drive as against normal boot to a ssd) it came fully up !

    Work that one out - how ever continuing, I cleaned up the older copies of
    the kernel (from mga8 but left the last one still installed) and did a
    update via MCC (can't find the Mageia Update icon and process) so did it through MCC - another time to see where it is.

    Then did a MCC-> hardware -> video and saw that the process says something
    like nvidia390 located to 620 - or something of a similar nature.

    So it is now up and running.

    Next is if I am feeling brave enough to update my primary system as the
    last time from 7 -> 8 did no go as smoothly as I would have liked and look
    a lot of my time to resolve, yes I am still smarting from that experience.

    That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you suggest but
    may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
    as to what one ?


    Vince

    On 2023-12-04 15:42, Vincent Coen wrote:
    Identification
    Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
    Description: GF119 [GeForce GT 610]
    Media class: VGA compatible controller

    Connection
    Bus: PCI Express
    PCI domain: 0
    Bus PCI #: 1
    PCI device #: 0
    PCI function #: 0
    PCI revision: 0xa1
    Vendor ID: 0x10de
    Device ID: 0x104a
    Sub vendor ID: 0x1043
    Sub device ID: 0x8411

    Misc
    Module: Card:NVIDIA GeForce 420 to GeForce 630
    -- Does this help ?

    The 470 module is the module for GeForce 635 to Geforce 920 cards, so
    yours isn't covered by the proprietary drivers. You would have to use nouveau.

    If I have then I guess I have to BUT
    how do I change it when the boot fails?

    If using grub2: select the "Advanced" option, and from there use the "recovery" option. When prompted, enter the root password to log on in
    text mode as root. Then use the command "XFdrake" to select your
    graphics card. That should do it, but you might have to play with it
    a little.

    Problem for switching cards is
    that I am running AMD FX8350 8(?) core that is at least 10 years old
    and as I am now 76 I thought it would see me out. Vincent

    I just bought a used Quadro K620 card on ebay for $20US, not because
    of any real need for it, but so I could test updates of the current
    nvidia drivers for Mageia QA. That particular model is supposed to
    work with any of the three Proprietary nvidia drivers currently
    supported in Mageia. There were more of them available there when I
    looked.

    BTW, I'm 74.

    TJ



    Vincent


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Fri Dec 8 03:17:13 2023
    On 2023-12-06 19:03, Vincent Coen wrote:
    That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you suggest but may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
    as to what one ?

    I dropped all things nvidia a few years ago when nvidia dropped support
    for my perfectly good card, much as what's happening with you. My needs
    are modest, and I filled them perfectly well with on-board Intel or
    older AMD gpus. Consequently, my knowledge of the best nvidia gpu to buy
    is... limited.

    But, recently it became desirable to be able to test upcoming nvidia
    updates, and the Quadro K620 was suggested to me as a card that could be
    used with any of the drivers that are still supported by Mageia 9.
    Plunging ahead...

    You could get a card that's supported by the 470 driver, but it might
    not be long before nvidia drops that one, too. So you might better be
    looking for one supported by the recently updated nvidia-current driver, 535.129.03.

    The "supported products" tab at https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/213194/en-us/ should
    show you a list of gpus that are supported. I'd suggest you look for a
    deal on one of those.

    If you want to further future-proof your choice, look for a gpu that's
    also on this list: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/216530/en-us/ That's
    the "nvidia-newfeature" driver that's currently being tested for Mageia.

    TJ

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Fri Dec 8 22:00:51 2023
    On 8/12/23 14:17, TJ wrote:
    On 2023-12-06 19:03, Vincent Coen wrote:
    That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you
    suggest but
    may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any suggestions
    as to what one ?

    I dropped all things nvidia a few years ago when nvidia dropped support
    for my perfectly good card, much as what's happening with you. My needs
    are modest, and I filled them perfectly well with on-board Intel or
    older AMD gpus. Consequently, my knowledge of the best nvidia gpu to buy is... limited.

    If I ever need a new motherboard I will dump the graphics card shuffle
    and use the on board graphics. Nvidia's dwindling support may be
    accelerating their demise.

    Look what happened to the NIC card and the soundblaster, both dinosaurs

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 9 13:43:38 2023
    On 2023-12-08 17:00, faeychild wrote:
    On 8/12/23 14:17, TJ wrote:
    On 2023-12-06 19:03, Vincent Coen wrote:
    That said I might still buying a replacement nvidia card as you
    suggest but
    may be a later one but still cheapish as a 2nd hard one - Any
    suggestions
    as to what one ?

    I dropped all things nvidia a few years ago when nvidia dropped
    support for my perfectly good card, much as what's happening with you.
    My needs are modest, and I filled them perfectly well with on-board
    Intel or older AMD gpus. Consequently, my knowledge of the best nvidia
    gpu to buy is... limited.

    If I ever need a new motherboard I will dump the graphics card shuffle
    and use the on board graphics. Nvidia's dwindling support may be accelerating their demise.

    Look what happened to the NIC card and the soundblaster, both dinosaurs

    That's what people with laptops have to do, since most must use the
    onboard graphics. But be careful with your purchase that you don't get something with an onboard nvidia gpu. They do exist - especially
    laptops. I know of some Mageia users who specifically ordered computers
    with Nvidia gpus, because they needed them for one reason or another -
    and now Nvidia left them out in the cold.

    The laptop I'm using right now (purchased at a garage sale for $20 US)
    has an AMD A8-4555M APU, and that means older onboard AMD graphics. Fortunately, it works just fine with Mageia's open-source radeon driver.

    TJ

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sat Dec 9 21:51:18 2023
    On 10/12/23 00:43, TJ wrote:

    That's what people with laptops have to do, since most must use the
    onboard graphics. But be careful with your purchase that you don't get something with an onboard nvidia gpu. They do exist - especially
    laptops. I know of some Mageia users who specifically ordered computers
    with Nvidia gpus, because they needed them for one reason or another -
    and now Nvidia left them out in the cold.

    Didn't realise that, I had IBM graphics stuck in my head.
    I will bear that in Mind

    Regards

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