• Sony blueray payer bdp-s1500 onto computer screen?

    From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Fri Aug 26 17:30:48 2022
    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
    player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
    the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
    computer screen. Is that possible?


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  • From Vincent Coen@2:250/1 to William Unruh on Fri Aug 26 18:33:40 2022
    Hello William!

    Friday August 26 2022 17:30, William Unruh wrote to All:

    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out
    of the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on
    the computer screen. Is that possible?

    On my laptops I just plug in the display to the laptop and it appears
    although usually on both.


    Vincent


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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Fri Aug 26 19:48:43 2022
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:30:48 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
    player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
    the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
    computer screen. Is that possible?

    I'd try using the usb-c connection. If it works then you should be able to
    play a dvd using vlc or any other video player that works with an optical drive.

    Connecting using hdmi or digital isn't likely to work as the ports on the laptop
    connect to the motherboard, not the laptop's monitor.

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From Paul@2:250/1 to All on Fri Aug 26 22:23:44 2022
    On 8/26/2022 12:30 PM, William Unruh wrote:
    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
    player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
    the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
    computer screen. Is that possible?


    bdp-s1500

    Interface Input and Output Terminals

    HDMI Output (1 rear) <=== armed with HDCP bitstream encryption (TV does HDCP)
    HDMI has digital audio for the TV set to extract.

    Coaxial Audio Output (1 rear) <=== S'PDIF optional audio (plug to AV receiver)

    USB Input (1 front) <=== USB stick input for non-Hollywood files

    Ethernet Connection (1 rear) <=== police state input (firmware updater)

    A biscuit in a basket. If one of the table legs is short,
    placing this fine unit under the short table leg, will
    steady the table. We can't do deCSS with this.

    *******

    HDMI output is normally protected with HDCP, and *especially*
    when Hollywood content is involved. A BD player uses the
    most functional version of HDCP, not the "cracked" version.

    This means the bitstream on the HDMI cable is encrypted.
    When a naive capture card tries to capture the HDMI stream,
    the result is "colored snow".

    (The reason these adverts refer to "capturing HDMI from a camera",
    is because camera HDMI lacks HDCP and transmission is in plaintext.
    Which works for this style of capture. I could take the output of
    my Canon point and shoot camera, which has an HDMI, and connect
    it to this thing, and it would work. There are a ton of these to
    investigate... and read the reviews for hints.)

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1455743-REG/iogear_guv301_hdmi_to_usb_c_video.html/overview

    In many adverts, they do not address the lack of HDCP keys on the capture card. It is illegal to have HDCP keys on such cards, and devices will be stopped
    at the border and cannot enter the country, if found that way.

    On occasion, people discover the Chinese making devices which
    function as "HDCP strippers" and the fun goes on, until the
    authorities are informed and shipments stop. There was a certain
    "one HDMI in to two HDMI out" active buffering device (not a passive
    diff to single ended adapter), which was functioning as an HDCP stripper.
    This is good for the "cracked" version of HDCP.

    A set top *DVD* player, the $50 kind sold ten years ago, may have a
    fairly innocuous version of HDMI output. One of those strippers
    would be enough.

    A BD set top player (say, 4K capable), the HDMI/HDCP
    versions are the "uncracked" ones. There might not be any
    stripper at all available for them (dunno, haven't checked).

    *******

    This topic, may benefit from a BD external 5.25" drive with
    USB output.

    https://forum.videohelp.com/forums/47-Blu-ray-Ripping

    Take a drive like this as an example. You check the reviews,
    to get the "juicy details" the manufacturer missed.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Computer-International-BW-16D1X-U-Powerful-Blu-ray/dp/B071VP89X1

    Question: region free ???
    Answer: Sorry, I am not sure about that. But there are
    lots of software (such as DVDFab) which can copy all kinds
    of discs to your computer whatever region is.

    While Linux will have deCSS (libdvdcss) for ripping DVDs from such a player,
    I don't know what the status is of FOSS versions of DVDFab
    or its ilk for ripping a BD.

    *******

    Summary: Your mistake was buying that in the first place.
    That goes with your TV set... and that's it.

    And the absolute worst part of your purchase, is that
    STB can receive a firmware update which *disables* the
    keys on legally purchased media you own. So maybe a
    BD version of "Casino Royale" stops playing. Whereas if you
    used a separate drive and ripped the media, you would still
    have the content. This rewards people who insist on buying
    legit stuff, by having it stop working on them. Even if the STB
    stops playing a title, save the disc in case you have other
    optical drives at your disposal.

    Paul

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Sat Aug 27 13:59:36 2022
    On 2022-08-26, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:30:48 -0400, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
    player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
    the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
    computer screen. Is that possible?

    I'd try using the usb-c connection. If it works then you should be able to play a dvd using vlc or any other video player that works with an optical drive.

    Connecting using hdmi or digital isn't likely to work as the ports on the laptop
    connect to the motherboard, not the laptop's monitor.

    My computer only has usbc ports, no hdmi, no usb-A, no vga, no digital.
    But I have a usb-c to hdmi dongle. I will try it, but I guess I am not
    terribly hopeful. Right now I have t otry to find a power cable-- this
    sone uses a weird power inlet-- it has two wire posts inside a circular
    inlet.


    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Sat Aug 27 14:12:09 2022
    On 2022-08-26, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/26/2022 12:30 PM, William Unruh wrote:
    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
    player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of
    the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
    computer screen. Is that possible?


    <text removed that says-- "there is no way this will work".>

    Summary: Your mistake was buying that in the first place.
    That goes with your TV set... and that's it.

    Ah well. Fortunately I did not buy it. A friend gave it to me. So not
    only is the power plug a highly non-standard one, the whole system is.
    Can it still play DVDs?

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  • From Paul@2:250/1 to All on Sat Aug 27 20:24:05 2022
    On 8/27/2022 9:12 AM, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2022-08-26, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
    On 8/26/2022 12:30 PM, William Unruh wrote:
    OIs it possible to play from the DVD player onto my laptop screen? The
    player has HDMI outputDIgital Out coaxial, Lan(100) output. My laptop
    has dongles for HDMI or lan via the USB-C port. Usually HDMI goes out of >>> the laptop to a display, but I of course want into to display on the
    computer screen. Is that possible?


    <text removed that says-- "there is no way this will work".>

    Summary: Your mistake was buying that in the first place.
    That goes with your TV set... and that's it.

    Ah well. Fortunately I did not buy it. A friend gave it to me. So not
    only is the power plug a highly non-standard one, the whole system is.
    Can it still play DVDs?


    It should be able to play a DVD. But the manufacturer specs are
    of no use to us, whatsoever.

    https://www.sony.com/en-ae/electronics/blu-ray-disc-players/bdp-s1500/specifications

    Blueray drives, the ones you buy for ~$100 or so and
    fit into a desktop 5.25" hole, those have three lasers:

    CD laser
    DVD laser
    BD laser (blue)

    While it would be possible to make a drive with only
    the blue laser, I don't think they do it that way.

    The laser while playing, also needs to focus at
    different depths in the optical media. Discs can be
    up to quad layer. DVD would be two layers (typical
    for Hollywood media you buy at the store). There might be
    a slight hesitation at a layer break, as the laser assembly
    does something.

    *******

    The manual is very good at the salient details, all except
    naming the power adapter part number.

    https://www.sony.com/electronics/support/res/manuals/4549/45497953M.pdf

    DC IN: BDP-S1500: 12 V DC, 600 mA (Adapter uses 8.8 W from wall, 110V-240V)

    Blu-ray Disc*1 BD-ROM
    BD-R Ver 1.1,1.2,1.3 including organic pigment (LTH type)
    BD-RE Ver 2.1
    DVD*3 DVD-ROM
    DVD-R/DVD-RW
    DVD+R/DVD+RW
    CD*3 CD-DA (Music CD)
    CD-ROM
    CD-R/CD-RW

    Discs that cannot be played
    BDs with cartridge
    BDXLs
    DVD-RAMs
    HD DVDs
    DVD Audio discs
    PHOTO CDs
    Data part of CD-Extras
    Super VCDs
    Audio material side on DualDiscs

    Your player has a region code printed on the rear of the unit and will only play
    BD-ROMs/DVD VIDEOs labeled with identical region codes or ALL .

    DVD BD
    ??? ??? <=== field filled at manufacture

    MPEG1, MPEG2, Xvid, MPEG4/AVC, VC1, WMV9, MJPEG, RealVideo
    Music includes MP3 and FLAC, as well as others.
    And even pictures with JPEG, PNG, GIF, MPO

    *******

    The adapter replacement shown here, looks like a barrel power
    plug on the end. "Adaptaplugs" come in at least fifteen
    different sizes, and the RadioShack at the mall used to have
    a "string tree" with AdaptaPlugs so you could figure out
    if yours was an "N" or an "M" kind of thing. I don't know if
    "The Source" store still has the Adaptaplug tree on the wall
    or not.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Adapter-BDP-S1500-BDPS1500-Blu-ray-Charger/dp/B015SDDDXE

    The polarity of the plug is also important. They can be
    center (+) or center (-) type. Sometimes, there is a raised
    plastic lettering near the plug insertion point. This
    can be hard to make out sometimes.

    If you zoom in on this, you can see the details. Yellow colored barrel plug.
    I guess that's "center plus" for polarity. There is more than one barrel
    with yellow plastic, so the color code is not sufficient.

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wjoAAOSwYcRe0K-q/s-l1600.jpg

    ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Supply-Charger-for-Sony-BDP-S1500-BDP-S3500-BDP-S5500-Blu-Ray-Disc-Player/253069408158 )

    When you used to try the Adaptaplug "tree" at the RadioShack,
    sometimes two plugs would fit the hole, one being closer to
    an interference fit than the other. It's possible two of the
    plugs have different barrel lengths but are otherwise similar.
    Working with these is a hell-on-earth, especially if you buy
    a multi-adapter and it has the two pin mating thing on the back,
    and rotating it 180 degrees causes THE WRONG POLARITY.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector

    If you buy the exact adapter for the item, all of this
    "hobbyist info" is not needed.

    Paul


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