• Mageia Sunday outage info

    From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 26 23:43:08 2019

    On Sunday September 29th, 2019, starting around 12.00 UTC there will be maintenance on the remaining infra in order to upgrade it to Mageia 7.


    That means Mageia websites, gitweb, svnweb, wiki, forum, mailinglists,
    mails to @mageia.org, ... will be shut down...


    Since there are several things that need upgrading, it will take at least several hours, or even a day or so depending on possible issues to get it
    all finalized...


    Note that blog.mageia.org will be available, so progress (or info about
    delays) will be available there...

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  • From Vince Coen@2:250/1 to Bit Twister on Fri Sep 27 15:35:39 2019
    Hello Bit!

    Thursday September 26 2019 23:43, Bit Twister wrote to All:


    On Sunday September 29th, 2019, starting around 12.00 UTC there will
    be maintenance on the remaining infra in order to upgrade it to Mageia
    7.


    That means Mageia websites, gitweb, svnweb, wiki, forum, mailinglists,
    mails to @mageia.org, ... will be shut down...


    Since there are several things that need upgrading, it will take at
    least several hours, or even a day or so depending on possible issues
    to get it all finalized...


    Note that blog.mageia.org will be available, so progress (or info
    about delays) will be available there...


    Based on my upgrade experience (failed - DVD & network) it will be a lot longer!

    I have had to do a fresh install

    Really wish they come out with a LTS version.

    Vince


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 29 14:24:07 2019
    On 9/27/19 10:35 AM, Vince Coen wrote:
    Hello Bit!

    Thursday September 26 2019 23:43, Bit Twister wrote to All:


    > On Sunday September 29th, 2019, starting around 12.00 UTC there will
    > be maintenance on the remaining infra in order to upgrade it to Mageia
    > 7.


    > That means Mageia websites, gitweb, svnweb, wiki, forum, mailinglists,
    > mails to @mageia.org, ... will be shut down...


    > Since there are several things that need upgrading, it will take at
    > least several hours, or even a day or so depending on possible issues
    > to get it all finalized...


    > Note that blog.mageia.org will be available, so progress (or info
    > about delays) will be available there...


    Based on my upgrade experience (failed - DVD & network) it will be a lot longer!

    I have had to do a fresh install

    I always do fresh installs for my own personal use. That was advice I
    read in my beginnings with Mandrake in 2002, and with two exceptions, it
    has always worked for me. One exception was with Mandrake, and that was
    my own fault because I had used the manufacturer's software to partition
    my hard drive, instead of letting the Mandrake installer do it. The
    other was the bug with the Mageia 4 Classical DVD that prompted the
    creation of Mageia 4.1.

    However, in my role as a member of the QA team, I have done many, many installs from the various isos, including some upgrade installs. All of
    my upgrade installs of Mageia 7 were successful, on both virtual and
    real hardware, even when Mageia 7 was still in Cauldron at the beta stages.

    Of course it's impossible for us to test all possible upgrade
    possibilities. Everyone's system is different, unique. I maintain five
    sets of hardware, with three of them having multiple installs of Mageia
    6 and 7, and each of them is unique in some way.

    So it's quite possible that your mileage will vary from mine, In fact,
    it's all but certain that it will. That's why I always advise a clean
    install as being most likely to be free of trouble.

    Really wish they come out with a LTS version.

    Vince


    We simply don't have the manpower for an LTS version in addition to the current Official and Cauldron versions. It has been a strain on the devs
    and QA now to maintain Mageia 6 until its EOL tomorrow, along with
    maintaining Mageia 7 and working on Cauldron (which will be Mageia 8).

    Remember, Mageia is a community-based distro, staffed entirely by
    volunteers who do this in their spare time. And we never have enough volunteers. We need more people, of all skill levels, if we are to
    continue, even at our present level of support. The Mageia community is fantastic. Anybody wishing to speak up, regardless of skill level or
    position, is listened to and treated with respect. Just try doing that
    at one of the "big name" distros.

    If anyone wishes to help us produce and maintain Mageia, please have a
    look at https://www.mageia.org/en/community/ and see if there is a place
    where you feel you may fit in. (Once the website is back up, of course...)

    TJ

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 29 14:57:29 2019
    On 2019-09-29, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
    .....

    So it's quite possible that your mileage will vary from mine, In fact,
    it's all but certain that it will. That's why I always advise a clean install as being most likely to be free of trouble.

    Unfortunately a clean install is Guaranteed to be trouble-- you then
    have to somehow resurect all fo the setting up of each program you did
    over the past year or two on the previous version. So, potential
    problems in upgrade vs gauranteed problems in clean install.


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 29 15:37:56 2019
    On 9/29/19 6:57 AM, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2019-09-29, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
    .....

    So it's quite possible that your mileage will vary from mine, In fact,
    it's all but certain that it will. That's why I always advise a clean
    install as being most likely to be free of trouble.

    Unfortunately a clean install is Guaranteed to be trouble-- you then
    have to somehow resurect all fo the setting up of each program you did
    over the past year or two on the previous version. So, potential
    problems in upgrade vs gauranteed problems in clean install.



    If you are using KDE you can save the Plasma setting
    with PlasmaConfigSaver which will help.
    And I expect to have to download several programs which
    are not in regular installations when I do a Clean full install.

    bliss

    --
    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 29 16:51:10 2019
    On Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:57:29 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2019-09-29, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
    ....

    So it's quite possible that your mileage will vary from mine, In fact,
    it's all but certain that it will. That's why I always advise a clean
    install as being most likely to be free of trouble.

    Unfortunately a clean install is Guaranteed to be trouble--

    All my Production installs are clean installs and are trouble free.

    you then have to somehow resurect all fo the setting up of each program
    you did over the past year or two on the previous version.

    Any system administrator worth a damn, keeps track of any changes made.
    That sys admin also checks application release/errata documentation
    for enhancements, obsolete values, and any new defaults.

    All my experience with kde/plasma had shown me that is was always best
    to erase user settings and start clean.

    I also find that I have less inter machine trouble by having all systems
    at the same release level.


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 30 00:58:41 2019
    On 9/29/19 9:57 AM, William Unruh wrote:
    On 2019-09-29, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
    ....

    So it's quite possible that your mileage will vary from mine, In fact,
    it's all but certain that it will. That's why I always advise a clean
    install as being most likely to be free of trouble.

    Unfortunately a clean install is Guaranteed to be trouble-- you then
    have to somehow resurect all fo the setting up of each program you did
    over the past year or two on the previous version. So, potential
    problems in upgrade vs gauranteed problems in clean install.

    I should have included that I retain /home when I do that "clean"
    install. With a few exceptions, that means that the bulk of my users'
    settings are remembered. The exceptions come from programs that go
    through major updates between releases, and those settings would have to
    be redone with an upgrade install, too. Going from Mageia 5 KDE4 to
    Mageia 6 Plasma would be a good example of that. (BTW, all of my Plasma settings were remembered when going from Mageia 6 to Mageia 7 in all of
    my test installs, whichever route I used.)

    Another potential problem source is third-party software. A Mageia-only install will (probably) upgrade successfully, but few installs are that
    pure, especially after over a year of use. It is impossible for the
    Mageia team to anticipate all the possible combinations of hardware and
    Linux software that there might be, and test them.

    TJ

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