• Lost my thunderbird files

    From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 20 16:19:23 2019
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone.

    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 20 17:00:42 2019
    On 9/20/19 8:19 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone.

    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.

    I used to have that happen with new installs. I just backup the whole thing then figure our what my new account id is and copy the saved
    information back into that directory.

    But it is a right pain when it happens and sometimes is resistant to what seem reasonable methods.

    bliss

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 20 23:30:01 2019
    On 21/9/19 2:00 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup
    database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.


    There is another thundebird/ in .cache.

    not sure if you didn't mention this only for the sake of brevity :-)

    regards


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sat Sep 21 00:24:33 2019
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 08:30:01 +1000, faeychild wrote:
    On 21/9/19 2:00 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup
    database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.


    There is another thundebird/ in .cache.

    not sure if you didn't mention this only for the sake of brevity :-)

    Nope, not part of problem. I have a logout script to remove possible
    junk files and whatnot. I am always removing ~/.cache files.

    I did do a thunderbird --help and saw a
    --migration Start with migration wizard.
    switch. Will have to play with it.

    I did copy address db file to new default location and all contact info
    was back.


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sat Sep 21 15:00:44 2019
    On 9/20/19 11:19 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone.

    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.


    Is this T-bird 68.1.0? I know you usually use Mozilla's download, rather
    than Mageia's.

    However, I just updated Mageia's to that version yesterday, and it did
    not do this. Using it to make this post.

    TJ

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@2:250/1 to All on Sat Sep 21 15:33:27 2019
    On 21/9/19 1:19 am, Bit Twister wrote:
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone.

    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.

    It sounds as though you didn't get your update from the Mageia repo.
    That would be enough to void your "insurance." I have never had a
    problem with a repo update.

    Re the database file, what does "file" say? Sqlite seems to be common
    now, but I haven't found a client for Sqlite similar to phpmyadmin.


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sat Sep 21 18:57:27 2019
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:00:44 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/20/19 11:19 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone.

    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup
    database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.


    Is this T-bird 68.1.0?

    $ thunderbird --version
    Thunderbird 68.1.0

    I know you usually use Mozilla's download,

    Yep

    rather than Mageia's.

    Only because Mageia QA does not have same day test/release of firefox/thunderbird releases. :)


    Been up since 5am looking into this. New tb/ff have moved from using ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla/firefox /*.default to /*.default-release

    I have
    $ grep thunderbird /etc/passwd | wc -l
    6
    and
    $ grep firefox /etc/passwd | wc -l
    12
    accounts.

    For my thunderbird lost stuff. I have
    # ls -1 | grep def
    ihj8j86f.default-release
    o9whtp45.default

    In o9whtp45.default
    ImapMail
    ImapMail-1
    has all my folders of saved mail
    and abook.mab is the address book database file.

    Getting those files from .default into .default-release resolved my
    problems.

    Decades plus years ago, I got tired of having to go through Preferences
    for all my settings, so I created my own user.js file with my settings.
    That way I just drop a link into the *.default directory and magically
    my settings are set.

    That really causes firefox problems, made worse since I folded in some
    of the new firefox preferences. One of which makes it release sensitive.
    As a result I had to go back through preference on each new ff release
    or ff launch which caused a complete new set of firefox defaults. Example:
    [root@wb firefox]# ls -1 | grep def
    antzixl8.default-release-6
    bmizw6je.default-release
    hcwfuij7.default-release-4
    j2vis12w.default-release-3
    l7ene2lx.default-release-8
    lvlx2gki.default
    oe2berz0.default-release-5
    r1stsaeo.default-release-1
    x5yz2roe.default-release-2
    zfqmphvi.default-release-7

    Going to guess getting everything needed from .default into .default-release and removing .default will iron out all my problems.

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  • From Doug Laidlaw@2:250/1 to All on Sat Sep 21 22:29:58 2019
    On 22/9/19 12:33 am, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    On 21/9/19 1:19 am, Bit Twister wrote:
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone.

    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup
    database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.

    It sounds as though you didn't get your update from the Mageia repo.
    That would be enough to void your "insurance."  I have never had a
    problem with a repo update.

    Re the database file, what does "file" say?  Sqlite seems to be common
    now, but I haven't found a client for Sqlite similar to phpmyadmin.

    The updated thunderbird-68.1.0-1.1.mga7 RPM has just come down. I am
    writing from it. For emails, I use claws-mail, but thunderbird
    downloads emails as well. The address book seems intact.


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  • From Doug Laidlaw@2:250/1 to All on Sat Sep 21 22:36:41 2019
    On 22/9/19 7:29 am, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    On 22/9/19 12:33 am, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
    On 21/9/19 1:19 am, Bit Twister wrote:
    Pulled down the latest thunerbird tar file. Installed it ran it and
    it asked me to create new account.

    As a result, addressbook, settings, stored email, folders,.... all gone. >>>
    Restored ~/.thunderbird from backup. same thing. Had to grep the backup
    database to get email addressed, hand crafted a csv file, and imported
    it. Do not how to read the address database file so I lost home/work
    phone, address,.... for each contact.

    Going to modify my install_script to have xmessage pop up a message to
    export address boot, folders,..... and wait to proceed.

    It sounds as though you didn't get your update from the Mageia repo.
    That would be enough to void your "insurance."  I have never had a
    problem with a repo update.

    Re the database file, what does "file" say?  Sqlite seems to be common
    now, but I haven't found a client for Sqlite similar to phpmyadmin.

    The updated thunderbird-68.1.0-1.1.mga7 RPM has just come down.  I am writing from it.  For emails, I use claws-mail, but thunderbird
    downloads emails as well.  The address book seems intact.

    Sorry, you said that your .thunderbird folder was lost. Mine is still
    there, with the original profile.


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 01:12:49 2019
    On 9/21/19 1:57 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:00:44 -0400, TJ wrote:

    Is this T-bird 68.1.0?

    $ thunderbird --version
    Thunderbird 68.1.0

    I know you usually use Mozilla's download,

    Yep

    rather than Mageia's.

    Only because Mageia QA does not have same day test/release of firefox/thunderbird releases. :)


    Been up since 5am looking into this. New tb/ff have moved from using ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla/firefox /*.default to /*.default-release


    Mageia's versions are still using the old directories.

    Mageia Firefox is 68.1 ESR, so perhaps that "feature" has not caught up
    to us yet. (The ESR version gets the security fixes, but the new
    "features" wait until the next ESR. Makes for greater stability.)

    Thunderbird is not labeled as an ESR, so should be the same as yours. I
    am not in the loop to know why it is different.

    TJ

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 01:58:03 2019
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 20:12:49 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/21/19 1:57 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:00:44 -0400, TJ wrote:

    Is this T-bird 68.1.0?

    $ thunderbird --version
    Thunderbird 68.1.0

    I know you usually use Mozilla's download,

    Yep

    rather than Mageia's.

    Only because Mageia QA does not have same day test/release of
    firefox/thunderbird releases. :)


    Been up since 5am looking into this. New tb/ff have moved from using
    ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla/firefox /*.default to /*.default-release



    I have deleted/created my 6 thunderbird accounts. It still creates /*.default for the local profile. and the rest of user profiles go into /*.default-release

    Each account has two user profiles. On is the user on my machine looking
    in its local mail spool, and the other is that user on an external mail server.

    There is a user hourly cron job to fetchmail from the external mail server
    and drop it into the local user's mail spool.

    Then a hourly root/system cron job to see if any mail in each user's /var/mail/user_here. If so pop up a message to have me log into that
    account to read the mail.

    That way I do not have to log into each external web page to see if
    there is anything to read.

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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 04:33:15 2019
    On 9/21/19 8:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 20:12:49 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/21/19 1:57 PM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:00:44 -0400, TJ wrote:

    Is this T-bird 68.1.0?

    $ thunderbird --version
    Thunderbird 68.1.0

    I know you usually use Mozilla's download,

    Yep

    rather than Mageia's.

    Only because Mageia QA does not have same day test/release of
    firefox/thunderbird releases. :)


    Been up since 5am looking into this. New tb/ff have moved from using
    ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla/firefox /*.default to /*.default-release



    I have deleted/created my 6 thunderbird accounts. It still creates
    /*.default
    for the local profile. and the rest of user profiles go into
    /*.default-release

    Each account has two user profiles. On is the user on my machine looking
    in its local mail spool, and the other is that user on an external mail
    server.

    There is a user hourly cron job to fetchmail from the external mail server and drop it into the local user's mail spool.

    Then a hourly root/system cron job to see if any mail in each user's /var/mail/user_here. If so pop up a message to have me log into that
    account to read the mail.

    That way I do not have to log into each external web page to see if
    there is anything to read.

    Your needs/desires are no doubt considerably more complex than mine.

    A system such as you describe would be pretty much useless for me, as I
    spend most of my work day doing types of work where a computer, even a
    laptop, would be in the way. My tractors are all too old to steer
    themselves.

    And it's not necessary that I see an email as soon as it comes in. In
    the 25 years or so that I have been using email, I can't recall a single
    time when I received an email that was so urgent that it couldn't wait
    until I got around to check my messages later that day.

    Your mileage, of course, may vary.

    TJ

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 09:18:24 2019
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 23:33:15 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/21/19 8:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

    Then a hourly root/system cron job to see if any mail in each user's
    /var/mail/user_here. If so pop up a message to have me log into that
    account to read the mail.

    That way I do not have to log into each external web page to see if
    there is anything to read.

    Your needs/desires are no doubt considerably more complex than mine.

    A system such as you describe would be pretty much useless for me, as I

    And it's not necessary that I see an email as soon as it comes in. In
    the 25 years or so that I have been using email, I can't recall a single
    time when I received an email that was so urgent that it couldn't wait
    until I got around to check my messages later that day.

    Other than wanting to check my bank email, all my other email could wait.
    I have enabled transaction notification at my bank which sends me an
    email alert when a ten cent or more charge is made against the account.

    Years ago I read criminals would make a twenty five cent charge to see
    if they could raid an account. If the $.25 credit showed up in their
    account, they would start draining the victim account.

    With bank delay for fund transfer, I would rather know about it sooner
    than later. :)


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  • From Maurice@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 13:02:04 2019
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:57:27 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    New tb/ff have moved from using
    ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla/firefox /*.default to /*.default-release

    I don't understand that.

    I have Tbird 68.1.0, and its ~/.thunderbird has *.default, not *.default-release...

    Ditto FF 68.1.0esr and ~/.mozilla/firefox.

    Regards,
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    (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 13:28:51 2019
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 12:02:04 -0000 (UTC), Maurice wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 12:57:27 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    New tb/ff have moved from using
    ~/.thunderbird and ~/.mozilla/firefox /*.default to /*.default-release

    I don't understand that.

    I have Tbird 68.1.0, and its ~/.thunderbird has *.default, not *.default-release...

    Ditto FF 68.1.0esr and ~/.mozilla/firefox.

    What can I say. Deleted/executed ~/.thunderbird yesterday and
    ~/.mozilla/firefox today:

    .thunderbird]$ ll
    total 24K
    drwx------ 3 bittwister bittwister 4.0K Sep 21 13:37 Crash\ Reports
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 bittwister bittwister 62 Sep 21 13:37 installs.ini
    drwx------ 10 bittwister bittwister 4.0K Sep 22 07:03 kzvcostg.default-release drwx------ 2 bittwister bittwister 4.0K Sep 21 13:37 mukza8go.default drwx------ 2 bittwister bittwister 4.0K Sep 21 13:37 Pending\ Pings
    -rw-rw-r-- 1 bittwister bittwister 259 Sep 21 13:37 profiles.ini


    firefox]$ ll
    total 16K
    drwx------ 2 bittwister bittwister 4.0K Sep 22 06:43 1er9370z.default -rw------- 1 bittwister bittwister 62 Sep 22 06:43 installs.ini
    -rw------- 1 bittwister bittwister 259 Sep 22 06:43 profiles.ini
    drwx------ 9 bittwister bittwister 4.0K Sep 22 06:51 xa5izxpc.default-release


    $ firefox --version
    Mozilla Firefox 68.1.0esr

    AHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh frap.
    Going to have to go back delete/run firefox again.

    For some unknown reason my install_script did not set latest firefox
    location.

    Ok, much better now.
    $ firefox --version
    Mozilla Firefox 69.0


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  • From Maurice@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 17:56:52 2019
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 07:28:51 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    $ firefox --version Mozilla Firefox 69.0

    Presumably from the Mozilla site. No signs of 69.0 in Mageia-7 - yet.

    What recommendation do have to guard against Mageia's FF/Tbird 69.0
    messing
    up? :-)

    Many thanks!

    Regards,

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 22 19:56:00 2019
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:56:52 -0000 (UTC), Maurice wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 07:28:51 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    $ firefox --version Mozilla Firefox 69.0

    Presumably from the Mozilla site. No signs of 69.0 in Mageia-7 - yet.

    Yup, and most likely not until MGA8 :)

    I think I have narrowed down the problem a little bit.
    No idea what causes the problem. When I launch tb after tb update,
    something triggers tb to act like a clean install and day one tb launch.
    It asks to create email account. At that point I know tb is hosed up.
    What I found is I can go ahead with user creation, and when it fails
    to log into my dovecot/postfix setup, I can click the advanced/expert
    buttons accept security exception. and suddenly all is ok.


    What recommendation do have to guard against Mageia's FF/Tbird 69.0
    messing up? :-)


    That will depend on user usage/requirements. I created a ~/bkup directory
    in all user accounts, modified my get_bkup_files script to save users's
    ~/bkup. User is responsible to putting whatever to be saved in the directory.

    Only two of my 6 thunderbird accounts have address book entries, so I'll
    export those to ~/bkup. For the one account with local folders, I think
    I can just move the Local Folder contents into ~/bkup and link the the
    profile default into ~/bkup.

    On next screw up I can delete ~/.thunderbird/*.default and restore the
    link. I will have to play around with that.

    For Firefox, no clue. I keep an ascii file /local/doc/urls.txt with
    all urls I find of interest where I add key words I use for searching.

    I do not use firefox in my home account. I have a different user for
    each type of firefox usage, bank, credit card, surfing.....

    That way, I can delete ~whichever/.mozilla/firefox*, launch ff, set
    my preferences and exit. That triggers a create a tar archive if one
    does not exist, and ~/.bash_logout submits a "at" job to wipe/restore
    from the .tar file.

    What this boils down to is you have to research what you need to do
    to export desired data, if possible, and remember to export after changes.


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 23 01:37:10 2019
    On 9/22/19 12:56 PM, Maurice wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 07:28:51 -0500, Bit Twister wrote:

    $ firefox --version Mozilla Firefox 69.0

    Presumably from the Mozilla site. No signs of 69.0 in Mageia-7 - yet.

    And there probably won't be. Bit Twister is using the latest Mozilla "Official" release, where Mageia 7 is now using the current FF "ESR"
    release, 68.1.

    According to Mozilla's wiki, ESR releases do not receive the latest
    "feature" changes (the part most likely to "mess up"), but it DOES get
    all the latest security patches. See https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/choosing-firefox-update-channel for
    more information.

    Thunderbird's numbering/release schedule roughly follows FF's ESR
    schedule, according to Mozilla.

    TJ


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  • From TJ@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 23 15:53:46 2019
    On 9/22/19 4:18 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 23:33:15 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/21/19 8:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

    Then a hourly root/system cron job to see if any mail in each user's
    /var/mail/user_here. If so pop up a message to have me log into that
    account to read the mail.

    That way I do not have to log into each external web page to see if
    there is anything to read.

    Your needs/desires are no doubt considerably more complex than mine.

    A system such as you describe would be pretty much useless for me, as I

    And it's not necessary that I see an email as soon as it comes in. In
    the 25 years or so that I have been using email, I can't recall a single
    time when I received an email that was so urgent that it couldn't wait
    until I got around to check my messages later that day.

    Other than wanting to check my bank email, all my other email could wait.
    I have enabled transaction notification at my bank which sends me an
    email alert when a ten cent or more charge is made against the account.

    Years ago I read criminals would make a twenty five cent charge to see
    if they could raid an account. If the $.25 credit showed up in their
    account, they would start draining the victim account.

    With bank delay for fund transfer, I would rather know about it sooner
    than later. :)

    I can understand that. I had a little run-in with a criminal a few
    months ago, myself.

    Somebody attempted to use one of my credit card numbers to buy an iPad
    from Apple. The guy apparently had all the pertinent information,
    including my name, billing address, phone number, and email. I suspect
    he got them as a result of the Experian breach, rather than a breach of
    my stuff.

    It could also be a breach of one of several online places where I do
    business, I suppose. I tend to pay online for some big-ticket purchases
    that I must make, because I get cash back from Mastercard for them. I
    don't get any cash back from using my checking accounts.

    I first heard about it from a call from Apple on my answering machine.
    The call sounded like hundreds of other calls I get from scammers, so I ignored it as I usually do them. Then there was an accompanying email
    message, so I checked my bank's site and saw the purchase was "pending"
    but not posted yet.

    My first call was to Mastercard. They couldn't do anything about
    investigating the charge until it was posted, but they did disable that
    number and start the process to get me a new card. There were no other suspicious charges on the account.

    The next call was to Apple, using the number in the email, which I now believed to be legit. I told them I didn't make the purchase, and they cancelled it without question. I also had Apple check and cancel any
    accounts that had been made in my name. The charge was never posted to
    the credit card, so there was nothing for Mastercard to investigate, and eventually the whole thing was dropped. There have been no further
    incidents that I know of.

    The thing that got me was the matter-of-fact-ness of the individuals I
    talked to, like this happens all the time and is no big deal. Well, it
    doesn't happen to *ME* all the time, and it *IS* a big deal.

    But I suppose that's just me.

    TJ

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  • From Maurice@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 23 16:17:28 2019
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 20:37:10 -0400, TJ wrote:

    According to Mozilla's wiki, ESR releases do not receive the latest
    "feature" changes (the part most likely to "mess up"), but it DOES get
    all the latest security patches.

    OIC. Thank you for that, TJ!

    Regards,
    --
    /\/\aurice

    (Replace "nomail.afraid" by "bcs" to reply by email)

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 23 16:42:47 2019
    On 9/23/19 7:53 AM, TJ wrote:
    On 9/22/19 4:18 AM, Bit Twister wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 23:33:15 -0400, TJ wrote:
    On 9/21/19 8:58 PM, Bit Twister wrote:

    Then a hourly root/system cron job to see if any mail in each user's
    /var/mail/user_here. If so pop up a message to have me log into that
    account to read the mail.

    That way I do not have to log into each external web page to see if
    there is anything to read.

    Your needs/desires are no doubt considerably more complex than mine.

    A system such as you describe would be pretty much useless for me, as I

    And it's not necessary that I see an email as soon as it comes in. In
    the 25 years or so that I have been using email, I can't recall a single >>> time when I received an email that was so urgent that it couldn't wait
    until I got around to check my messages later that day.

    Other than wanting to check my bank email, all my other email could wait.
    I have enabled transaction notification at my bank which sends me an
    email alert when a ten cent or more charge is made against the account.

    Years ago I read criminals would make a twenty five cent charge to see
    if they could raid an account. If the $.25 credit showed up in their
    account, they would start draining the victim account.

    With bank delay for fund transfer, I would rather know about it sooner
    than later. :)

    I can understand that. I had a little run-in with a criminal a few
    months ago, myself.

    Somebody attempted to use one of my credit card numbers to buy an iPad
    from Apple. The guy apparently had all the pertinent information,
    including my name, billing address, phone number, and email. I suspect
    he got them as a result of the Experian breach, rather than a breach of
    my stuff.

    It could also be a breach of one of several online places where I do business, I suppose. I tend to pay online for some big-ticket purchases
    that I must make, because I get cash back from Mastercard for them. I
    don't get any cash back from using my checking accounts.

    I first heard about it from a call from Apple on my answering machine.
    The call sounded like hundreds of other calls I get from scammers, so I ignored it as I usually do them. Then there was an accompanying email message, so I checked my bank's site and saw the purchase was "pending"
    but not posted yet.

    My first call was to Mastercard. They couldn't do anything about investigating the charge until it was posted, but they did disable that number and start the process to get me a new card. There were no other suspicious charges on the account.

    The next call was to Apple, using the number in the email, which I now believed to be legit. I told them I didn't make the purchase, and they cancelled it without question. I also had Apple check and cancel any accounts that had been made in my name. The charge was never posted to
    the credit card, so there was nothing for Mastercard to investigate, and eventually the whole thing was dropped. There have been no further
    incidents that I know of.

    The thing that got me was the matter-of-fact-ness of the individuals I talked to, like this happens all the time and is no big deal. Well, it doesn't happen to *ME* all the time, and it *IS* a big deal.

    But I suppose that's just me.

    TJ

    Not just you. Using my card at a hacked ATM the card was eaten then stolen and used to buy a public transit credit.
    I was more agitated than either the bank personnel behind the ATM or the security people I corresponded with over the next few days.
    Dealing with such thefts is routine for them but it is hard on a card
    holder.

    IMO
    bliss

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    bliss dash SF 4 ever at dslextreme dot com

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