• [OT] Sanity problem

    From pinnerite@2:250/1 to All on Tue Nov 2 22:09:05 2021
    This is about a Gmail Account.
    I access this from my Mint-powered computer and my Android 'phone.
    On the cellphone there were three messages received from Quora at then of 2020.

    I have not been able to delete them.
    If I do they pop up again BUT only on the Xiaomi Android-powered cellphone. From webmail on the computer, I deleted every message both in or out.

    No difference. They pop up again but only on the 'phone.
    It needs fresh minds.
    Hence this post.



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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Tue Nov 2 22:50:54 2021
    pinnerite wrote:
    a Gmail Account.

    a Gmail account has a number of ways of viewing its email. There's
    webmail viewed w/ a device's browser. There's POP which pop can
    function to download to the client and then delete what was downloaded
    and there's pop which can function to download to the client and NOT
    delete was what downloaded. And there's IMAP, or in this case 'gmail' imap.

    Most people who want to use multiple clients for a gmail account either
    do it w/ browser webmail or imap, but some like to do it w/ some pop
    fandango.

    We are missing some of the details of how you handle your gmail account
    w/ your two devices.

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  • From andrew@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 3 01:20:08 2021
    On 2021-11-02, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    Most people who want to use multiple clients for a gmail account
    either do it w/ browser webmail or imap, but some like to do it w/
    some pop fandango.

    That would be POP3 over SSL:

    https://www.andrews-corner.org/mutt.html

    Technology of a more ordered time :)


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  • From pinnerite@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 3 11:58:27 2021
    On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 15:50:54 -0700
    Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    pinnerite wrote:
    a Gmail Account.

    a Gmail account has a number of ways of viewing its email. There's
    webmail viewed w/ a device's browser. There's POP which pop can
    function to download to the client and then delete what was downloaded
    and there's pop which can function to download to the client and NOT
    delete was what downloaded. And there's IMAP, or in this case 'gmail' imap.

    Most people who want to use multiple clients for a gmail account either
    do it w/ browser webmail or imap, but some like to do it w/ some pop fandango.

    We are missing some of the details of how you handle your gmail account
    w/ your two devices.

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    Mike Easter

    My gmail account is not a POP account it is an IMAP account.
    What is puzzling is that this perpetual returning popup of the three emails only shows up on the Android 'phone.



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  • From Jim@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 3 14:00:50 2021
    On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 11:58:27 +0000, pinnerite wrote:

    On Tue, 2 Nov 2021 15:50:54 -0700
    Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    pinnerite wrote:
    a Gmail Account.

    a Gmail account has a number of ways of viewing its email. There's
    webmail viewed w/ a device's browser. There's POP which pop can
    function to download to the client and then delete what was downloaded
    and there's pop which can function to download to the client and NOT
    delete was what downloaded. And there's IMAP, or in this case 'gmail' imap. >>
    Most people who want to use multiple clients for a gmail account either
    do it w/ browser webmail or imap, but some like to do it w/ some pop
    fandango.

    We are missing some of the details of how you handle your gmail account
    w/ your two devices.

    --
    Mike Easter

    My gmail account is not a POP account it is an IMAP account.
    What is puzzling is that this perpetual returning popup of the three
    emails only shows up on the Android 'phone.

    Go into your settings on the Android and see what the phone thinks your connection should be. It may be POP or POP3 or either of those vs IMAP,
    with the phone first trying its default setting and when that does not
    work trying something else.

    The sequence involved in checking for a working protocol can make a
    difference in what gets backed up and saved where.

    Cheers!

    jim b.

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  • From Mike Easter@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 3 20:34:06 2021
    pinnerite wrote:
    My gmail account is not a POP account it is an IMAP account.
    What is puzzling is that this perpetual returning popup of the three emails only shows up on the Android 'phone.

    If I'm understanding that the msg/s are deleted at the gmail server,
    then I would assume that they are no longer accessible to the android.
    It would seem that if you delete (previously IMAP dl/ed) the msg/s at
    the android, it wouldn't be able to dl them again.

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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 3 21:31:52 2021
    On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 16:34:06 -0400, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    pinnerite wrote:
    My gmail account is not a POP account it is an IMAP account.
    What is puzzling is that this perpetual returning popup of the three emails only shows up on the Android 'phone.

    If I'm understanding that the msg/s are deleted at the gmail server,
    then I would assume that they are no longer accessible to the android.
    It would seem that if you delete (previously IMAP dl/ed) the msg/s at
    the android, it wouldn't be able to dl them again.

    Is the android system showing msgs in the imap trash folder while the others are
    not?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From pinnerite@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 3 21:59:58 2021
    On Wed, 3 Nov 2021 13:34:06 -0700
    Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    pinnerite wrote:
    My gmail account is not a POP account it is an IMAP account.
    What is puzzling is that this perpetual returning popup of the three emails only shows up on the Android 'phone.

    If I'm understanding that the msg/s are deleted at the gmail server,
    then I would assume that they are no longer accessible to the android.
    It would seem that if you delete (previously IMAP dl/ed) the msg/s at
    the android, it wouldn't be able to dl them again.

    --
    Mike Easter

    Logic would suggest that having deleted every file/message associated with the particular email address on the gmail webmail page for it would effectively extinguishing them from the gmail server.

    The three messages have never reappeared on thunderbird on Linux Mint but refuse to die on the Xaiomi-Android cellphone.

    I am wondering if Xaiomi's modifications may be responsible?




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  • From Anssi Saari@2:250/1 to All on Thu Nov 4 08:03:40 2021
    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> writes:

    The three messages have never reappeared on thunderbird on Linux Mint
    but refuse to die on the Xaiomi-Android cellphone.

    I am wondering if Xaiomi's modifications may be responsible?

    One wonders what it is that you use on the phone? The Gmail app? Or
    something from Xiaomi? Something else? What?

    What if you just wipe data in whatever app you're using on the Xiaomi
    phone? May have to add your account again though. Or do that, remove
    the Gmail account from the phone and re-add it?

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  • From Daniel65@2:250/1 to All on Thu Nov 4 11:57:51 2021
    pinnerite wrote on 3/11/21 9:09 am:
    This is about a Gmail Account.
    I access this from my Mint-powered computer and my Android 'phone.
    On the cellphone there were three messages received from Quora at then of 2020.

    I have not been able to delete them.
    If I do they pop up again BUT only on the Xiaomi Android-powered cellphone.
    From webmail on the computer, I deleted every message both in or out.

    No difference. They pop up again but only on the 'phone.
    It needs fresh minds.
    Hence this post.

    When you type "They pop up again but only on the 'phone.", where are
    they popping up?? In the 'inbox' or in the 'Trash'??

    If they are in the 'Trash' on the phone, is there a 'Compact Folders'
    function or similar??

    (Just a thought ..... In my SeaMonkey Browser Suite, when I delete
    e-mails from the Inbox, they are not really deleted, they are marked as deleted and disappear from the 'Inbox' listing and appear listed under
    the 'Trash' Folder ..... but aren't really deleted until I 'Empty Trash'
    and then 'Compact Folders'.)
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  • From pinnerite@2:250/1 to All on Thu Nov 4 12:33:51 2021
    On Thu, 4 Nov 2021 22:57:51 +1100
    Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

    pinnerite wrote on 3/11/21 9:09 am:
    This is about a Gmail Account.
    I access this from my Mint-powered computer and my Android 'phone.
    On the cellphone there were three messages received from Quora at then of 2020.

    I have not been able to delete them.
    If I do they pop up again BUT only on the Xiaomi Android-powered cellphone.
    From webmail on the computer, I deleted every message both in or out.

    No difference. They pop up again but only on the 'phone.
    It needs fresh minds.
    Hence this post.

    When you type "They pop up again but only on the 'phone.", where are
    they popping up?? In the 'inbox' or in the 'Trash'??

    The unbox


    If they are in the 'Trash' on the phone, is there a 'Compact Folders' function or similar??

    There is no Compact Folders on the phone. May not be necessary on solid state storage.


    (Just a thought ..... In my SeaMonkey Browser Suite, when I delete
    e-mails from the Inbox, they are not really deleted, they are marked as deleted and disappear from the 'Inbox' listing and appear listed under
    the 'Trash' Folder ..... but aren't really deleted until I 'Empty Trash'
    and then 'Compact Folders'.)

    In order to try and pin this down, over the 11 months since this first began, I purged every vestige of files to and from this address and even deleted the client from the phone before restoring it sometime later after I had changed my password fro my desktop.

    --
    Daniel


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  • From pinnerite@2:250/1 to All on Thu Nov 4 12:38:43 2021
    On Thu, 04 Nov 2021 10:03:40 +0200
    Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> wrote:

    pinnerite <pinnerite@gmail.com> writes:

    The three messages have never reappeared on thunderbird on Linux Mint
    but refuse to die on the Xaiomi-Android cellphone.

    I am wondering if Xaiomi's modifications may be responsible?

    One wonders what it is that you use on the phone? The Gmail app? Or
    something from Xiaomi? Something else? What?

    What if you just wipe data in whatever app you're using on the Xiaomi
    phone? May have to add your account again though. Or do that, remove
    the Gmail account from the phone and re-add it?

    You are correct and indeed I have already tried all that as explained to Daniel earlier.

    I had been using the Gmail app on the phone. Yesterday I tried another client but it fails the sign-in (?)


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  • From pinnerite@2:250/1 to All on Thu Nov 4 12:48:02 2021
    On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 17:31:52 -0400
    "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On Wed, 03 Nov 2021 16:34:06 -0400, Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

    pinnerite wrote:
    My gmail account is not a POP account it is an IMAP account.
    What is puzzling is that this perpetual returning popup of the three emails only shows up on the Android 'phone.

    If I'm understanding that the msg/s are deleted at the gmail server,
    then I would assume that they are no longer accessible to the android.
    It would seem that if you delete (previously IMAP dl/ed) the msg/s at
    the android, it wouldn't be able to dl them again.

    Is the android system showing msgs in the imap trash folder while the others are
    not?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

    No. There are no messages in/out/trash.drafts or anything else indicated by the Gmail lis of folders and yet the three annoying messages are still on the inbox screen.

    I have just instructed the app to move them to 'Trash'. When I checked the folder (all the folders) it was empty and the messages were back!

    Regards, Alan

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