• failure of desktop effects [solved]

    From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 05:20:59 2021


    I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop switching
    with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the pager.

    {I have no idea how the Windows folk manage with one desktop}

    Resetting "Desktop effects > screen settings" did not recover
    The clue was that the "junk user was unaffected. ( Thanks to Bit Twister )

    After a process of elimination I narrowed it down to two files

    ~/.config

    kwinrc
    kwinrulesrc

    Kwinrulesrc doesn't exist in the new ~/.config folder.
    But I have my desktops back now and I am stopping the hunt.


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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 06:10:15 2021
    On 19.09.2021 at 14:20, faeychild scribbled:

    I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop
    switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the
    pager.

    {I have no idea how the Windows folk manage with one desktop}

    Resetting "Desktop effects > screen settings" did not recover
    The clue was that the "junk user was unaffected. ( Thanks to Bit
    Twister )

    After a process of elimination I narrowed it down to two files

    ~/.config

    kwinrc
    kwinrulesrc

    Kwinrulesrc doesn't exist in the new ~/.config folder.
    But I have my desktops back now and I am stopping the hunt.

    Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite wisdom,
    decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of Plasma, drop
    the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching between desktops by
    way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two other effects "because
    they would need to be rewritten to match the new scene" [whatever that
    is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway" and because "they don't belong
    on a modern desktop". (Read: they themselves don't use it, and they
    don't care whether someone else does.)

    Also, again stemming from their infinite wisdom, they've decided to
    disable translucency by default because of something to do with the translucency of moving windows.

    Maybe they've taken a few attitude lessons from the GNOME developers... <facepalm> -- you know, along the lines of "To hell with what the users
    want, so long as WE like our code."

    --
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    = Aragorn =


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 06:23:39 2021
    On 9/18/21 22:10, Aragorn wrote:
    On 19.09.2021 at 14:20, faeychild scribbled:

    I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop
    switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the
    pager.

    {I have no idea how the Windows folk manage with one desktop}

    Resetting "Desktop effects > screen settings" did not recover
    The clue was that the "junk user was unaffected. ( Thanks to Bit
    Twister )

    After a process of elimination I narrowed it down to two files

    ~/.config

    kwinrc
    kwinrulesrc

    Kwinrulesrc doesn't exist in the new ~/.config folder.
    But I have my desktops back now and I am stopping the hunt.

    Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite wisdom, decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of Plasma, drop
    the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching between desktops by
    way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two other effects "because
    they would need to be rewritten to match the new scene" [whatever that
    is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway" and because "they don't belong
    on a modern desktop". (Read: they themselves don't use it, and they
    don't care whether someone else does.)

    Also, again stemming from their infinite wisdom, they've decided to
    disable translucency by default because of something to do with the translucency of moving windows.

    Maybe they've taken a few attitude lessons from the GNOME developers... <facepalm> -- you know, along the lines of "To hell with what the users
    want, so long as WE like our code."


    I remember reading that KDE and Gnome had a joint conference
    to iron our some problems. Maybe keeping up with the programming of spectacular effects was one of the problems.

    As for switching desktops I think a pager is wonderful.
    We had multiple screens as far back as the Amiga with certain programs generating their own screens and being able to flip between screens.
    The desktop there was called "Workbench". Virtual Desktops are better
    I think than most screens were. Also the Graphics are much finer grained.

    bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 11:00:46 2021
    On 19/9/21 3:10 pm, Aragorn wrote:

    Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite wisdom, decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of Plasma, drop
    the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching between desktops by
    way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two other effects "because
    they would need to be rewritten to match the new scene" [whatever that
    is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway" and because "they don't belong
    on a modern desktop". (Read: they themselves don't use it, and they
    don't care whether someone else does.)


    Way back I ran the cube effect and the cylinder but I settled on the
    grid view switched with the top screen edge
    I just shove the mouse to the top, all four desktops appear and I can
    chose.

    When it failed yesterday I was seriously inconvenienced changing desktops.


    "and almost nobody uses them anyway" may be correct. I tried them for
    their novelty value but settled on the grid. Speedy and effective, I can
    jump around from desktop to desktop. I have noticed that the scroll
    wheel switching has been disabled with my arrangement, although it still appears as an option in "Mouse Actions".

    regards

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 11:06:43 2021
    On 19/9/21 3:23 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


        As for switching desktops I think a pager is wonderful.


    We had multiple screens as far back as the Amiga with certain programs generating their own screens and being able to flip between screens.
    The desktop there was called "Workbench". Virtual Desktops are better
    I think than most screens were.  Also the Graphics are much finer grained.

     bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos


    Oh NO!! You're are a better girl than me, Bobbie.

    I was stuck temporarily with the pager and found it infuriating. It's
    too small to hit accurately quickly
    So glad to have my edge trigger back

    regards
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 15:56:16 2021
    On 9/19/21 03:06, faeychild wrote:
    On 19/9/21 3:23 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


         As for switching desktops I think a pager is wonderful.


    We had multiple screens as far back as the Amiga with certain programs
    generating their own screens and being able to flip between screens.
    The desktop there was called "Workbench". Virtual Desktops are better
    I think than most screens were.  Also the Graphics are much finer
    grained.

      bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos


    Oh NO!! You're are a better girl than me, Bobbie.

    I was stuck temporarily with the pager and found it infuriating. It's
    too small to hit accurately quickly
    So glad to have my edge trigger back

    regards

    Why is your pager so small?

    |__| 1
    |__| 2
    |__| 3
    |__| 4

    Above is about a half size ASCII representation of my pager.
    Number 1-4 from top to bottom on vertical task bar with a few other
    items on it.

    I have a horizontal task bar across 90% of the top of the page and on the Left side the pager with some other items, such as a menu
    icon/widget, Luna, simple calculator, konsole, KWrite, KPatience,
    KMahjongg and Lock & Leave. It takes about 2/3 of the vertical height
    Top bar is 56 Pixels high and the left side is 64 pixels wide.
    1920 x 1080 14 inch display.

    This is a faint echo of my Old Amiga Workbench as I had multiple
    menus on top and a primitive task bar on the side (forgot the names of
    the addons in terms of menu and task bar). One was shareware and the
    other for the menus was aspiring to be shareware.

    But that is all wasted verbiage as you are happy with your
    edge effect. KDE can look like any other Desktop Environment or like
    no other desktop. Whee!

    bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos

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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 21:29:29 2021
    On 19.09.2021 at 20:00, faeychild scribbled:

    On 19/9/21 3:10 pm, Aragorn wrote:

    Just as a heads-up, the KDE developers have, in their infinite
    wisdom, decided to, for the upcoming 25th anniversary release of
    Plasma, drop the spinning cube effect, as well as the switching
    between desktops by way of the cube effect, and possibly one or two
    other effects "because they would need to be rewritten to match the
    new scene" [whatever that is] "and almost nobody uses them anyway"
    and because "they don't belong on a modern desktop". (Read: they
    themselves don't use it, and they don't care whether someone else
    does.)

    Way back I ran the cube effect and the cylinder but I settled on the
    grid view switched with the top screen edge
    I just shove the mouse to the top, all four desktops appear and I can
    chose.

    I have the grid view trigger on the left edge -- I have a panel at the
    top, with (among other things) the global menu, and I have a slightly
    thicker but short dock-like panel at the bottom.

    The right edge triggers the "Present Windows (current desktop)" effect.
    The bottom left corner triggers the full cube -- actually, I call it
    "the carousel" because I have twelve virtual desktops, so it's not
    quite a cube anymore-- and the right bottom corner triggers the "Show
    Desktop" effect.

    When it failed yesterday I was seriously inconvenienced changing
    desktops.

    "and almost nobody uses them anyway" may be correct. I tried them for
    their novelty value but settled on the grid. Speedy and effective, I
    can jump around from desktop to desktop.

    Well, yes, but I do use the cube effect when switching between
    desktops, in the sense that when I switch to another desktop, the one I
    was on rotates away and the new one rotates in place. This to me is a
    visual clue that I've switched to another desktop. I don't like the
    sliding or fading effect for that.

    I even use the same rotating effect for switching between the different
    home screens on my Android phone, and to myself, this effect perfectly materializes the "virtual desktop" metaphor, in that it feels like I'm switching over to another graphical terminal.

    I have noticed that the scroll wheel switching has been disabled with
    my arrangement, although it still appears as an option in "Mouse
    Actions".

    I think that was a bug in the handling of the scroll wheel. There were
    people complaining about it on the Manjaro forum as well. But
    personally, I always disable that.

    I do however often switch between virtual desktops by scrolling over the
    pager. Likewise, it's how I switch between activities as well -- I have
    an activity pager on the panel too, with two activities.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 22:22:41 2021
    On 20/9/21 12:56 am, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    On 9/19/21 03:06, faeychild wrote:
    On 19/9/21 3:23 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:



        Why is your pager so small?

        |__|   1
        |__|   2
        |__|   3
        |__|   4

        Above is about a half size ASCII representation of my pager.
    Number 1-4 from top to bottom on vertical task bar with a few other
    items on it.


    Ah Ha! My afterthought was that you probably had something a little
    better that the standard pager on the default task bar, which is about
    half the size of a desktop icon - the pager not the task bar.

    I have experimented with task bar in various locations but still go back
    to the screen bottom and set it default narrow/height




        This is a faint echo of my Old Amiga Workbench as I had multiple menus on top and a primitive task bar on the side (forgot the names of
    the addons in terms of menu and task bar).  One was shareware and the
    other for the menus was aspiring to be shareware.

    I never had the experience of the Amiga. I look back in some sorrow.


    bliss - uses a Pretty Cool Linux Operating System aka pclinuxos


    I do read their monthly magazine. The editor seems to be a one man
    show: quite an effort


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Sun Sep 19 22:30:45 2021
    On 20/9/21 6:29 am, Aragorn wrote:


    I have the grid view trigger on the left edge -- I have a panel at the
    top, with (among other things) the global menu, and I have a slightly
    thicker but short dock-like panel at the bottom.

    The right edge triggers the "Present Windows (current desktop)" effect.
    The bottom left corner triggers the full cube -- actually, I call it
    "the carousel" because I have twelve virtual desktops, so it's not
    quite a cube anymore-- and the right bottom corner triggers the "Show Desktop" effect.


    The best of all worlds then.




    Well, yes, but I do use the cube effect when switching between
    desktops, in the sense that when I switch to another desktop, the one I
    was on rotates away and the new one rotates in place. This to me is a
    visual clue that I've switched to another desktop. I don't like the
    sliding or fading effect for that.

    So if they deprecate the "Cube", as you say, it will break your heart.



    I even use the same rotating effect for switching between the different
    home screens on my Android phone, and to myself, this effect perfectly materializes the "virtual desktop" metaphor, in that it feels like I'm switching over to another graphical terminal.


    I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!

    regards


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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 20 00:57:59 2021
    On 20.09.2021 at 07:30, faeychild scribbled:

    On 20/9/21 6:29 am, Aragorn wrote:

    I have the grid view trigger on the left edge -- I have a panel at
    the top, with (among other things) the global menu, and I have a
    slightly thicker but short dock-like panel at the bottom.

    The right edge triggers the "Present Windows (current desktop)"
    effect. The bottom left corner triggers the full cube -- actually,
    I call it "the carousel" because I have twelve virtual desktops, so
    it's not quite a cube anymore-- and the right bottom corner
    triggers the "Show Desktop" effect.

    The best of all worlds then.

    Yep. :)

    Well, yes, but I do use the cube effect when switching between
    desktops, in the sense that when I switch to another desktop, the
    one I was on rotates away and the new one rotates in place. This
    to me is a visual clue that I've switched to another desktop. I
    don't like the sliding or fading effect for that.

    So if they deprecate the "Cube", as you say, it will break your heart.

    Yes, it will. It was one of those cool features that Plasma had and
    that you couldn't get on other desktop environments without using
    Compiz as a drop-in window manager replacement.

    I even use the same rotating effect for switching between the
    different home screens on my Android phone, and to myself, this
    effect perfectly materializes the "virtual desktop" metaphor, in
    that it feels like I'm switching over to another graphical
    terminal.

    I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!

    My phone has Android 8 on it, so from at least as early as version 8 on,
    it'll be there, yes. It's not the default setting however; the default
    is for the screens to slide.


    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 20 08:39:41 2021
    On 20/9/21 9:57 am, Aragorn wrote:
    On 20.09.2021 at 07:30, faeychild scribbled:


    I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!


    Typo!! I had NO idea that there was a cube effect for Android.
    How is it accessed

    I know about the right left sweep to access the second first desktop
    and I think more desktops can be added but I haven't gone there since I
    first set up the phone. I didn't realize that there was anything
    remotely fancy to switch between them.

    I must start poking around.


    regards


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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Mon Sep 20 09:58:57 2021
    On 20.09.2021 at 17:39, faeychild scribbled:

    On 20/9/21 9:57 am, Aragorn wrote:

    On 20.09.2021 at 07:30, faeychild scribbled:

    I had idea that the Android had a cube effect. Well Well!!!

    Typo!! I had NO idea that there was a cube effect for Android.
    How is it accessed

    I know about the right left sweep to access the second first desktop
    and I think more desktops can be added but I haven't gone there since
    I first set up the phone. I didn't realize that there was anything
    remotely fancy to switch between them.

    Well, it's in the options somewhere. I only discovered it by accident
    myself, because my previous Android phone -- granted, that one's
    already old -- didn't have that effect.

    I must start poking around.

    That's how you'll find it. :)

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Tue Sep 21 05:34:05 2021
    On 20/9/21 6:58 pm, Aragorn wrote:


    Well, it's in the options somewhere. I only discovered it by accident myself, because my previous Android phone -- granted, that one's
    already old -- didn't have that effect.

    I must start poking around.

    That's how you'll find it. :)


    Yeo! I am having the vague flashback memories - always despairingly
    and uselessly vague

    I do remember - eventually - long ago pinching the home screen would
    cause thumbnails to appear for each desktop/screen and a plus "+"
    button to add more.

    Pinching the Android 10 screen causes a little navigation panel
    Wallpaper widgets and Settings


    Settings offers Transition effects
    Slide Crossfade Tumble and Page

    None of them particularly catchy. All quite similar in operation and appearance. Probably easier to code than a cube and memory space considerations apply

    Maybe they talked to the Plasma guys and decided on global elimination
    of the cube

    A great pity! It was catchy

    Mediocrity rules.

    regards


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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Tue Sep 21 05:52:51 2021
    On 21.09.2021 at 14:34, faeychild scribbled:

    Pinching the Android 10 screen causes a little navigation panel
    Wallpaper widgets and Settings


    Settings offers Transition effects
    Slide Crossfade Tumble and Page

    I think it's the "tumble" effect. Not sure anymore, plus that my phone
    is set up in Dutch -- I bought it through my carrier.

    --
    With respect,
    = Aragorn =


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Sep 22 21:54:11 2021
    On 21/9/21 2:52 pm, Aragorn wrote:
    On 21.09.2021 at 14:34, faeychild scribbled:

    Pinching the Android 10 screen causes a little navigation panel
    Wallpaper widgets and Settings


    Android 10 has been "improved"
    To create a new home screen, don't pinch, just drag an icon to the right
    edge. A new screen will be created


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 24 09:11:31 2021
    On 19/9/21 14:20, faeychild wrote:


     I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the pager.


    Clearly something I did
    I just lost the desktop effects a few minutes ago
    I checked the "kwinrc" file to find that it had been modified created
    and accessed today. a few moment ago

    I deleted it and ran through the desktop effects setup and all was well.
    It's nice to have localized the problem previously to effect a swift solution. I'm glad I looked into it earlier on.


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  • From Aragorn@2:250/1 to All on Fri Sep 24 09:46:08 2021
    On 24.09.2021 at 18:11, faeychild scribbled:

    On 19/9/21 14:20, faeychild wrote:
    =20
    =20
    =C2=A0I lost all desktop effects, particularly the virtual desktop switching with the screen edge triggering. I could still use the
    pager. =20
    =20
    =20
    Clearly something I did
    I just lost the desktop effects a few minutes ago
    I checked the "kwinrc" file to find that it had been modified created=20
    and accessed today. a few moment ago
    =20
    I deleted it and ran through the desktop effects setup and all was
    well. It's nice to have localized the problem previously to effect a
    swift solution. I'm glad I looked into it earlier on.

    For future reference, make a backup of the file.


    $ cd ~/.config && cp kwinrc kwinrc.backup


    ;)

    --=20
    With respect,
    =3D Aragorn =3D


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