• Dolphin not refreshing

    From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 05:18:51 2021


    Dolphin does not auto refresh. I know about F5 but it used to update
    without provocation.

    A search on Google suggests that it is an old problem and adding ones
    name to the storage group will fix the problem.

    Unfortunately Mageia 8 has no storage group.

    Any suggestions?


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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 06:21:18 2021
    On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 00:18:51 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    Dolphin does not auto refresh. I know about F5 but it used to update
    without provocation.
    A search on Google suggests that it is an old problem and adding ones
    name to the storage group will fix the problem.
    Unfortunately Mageia 8 has no storage group.
    Any suggestions?

    I just tried it on a test account, and it's working for me with no extra groups ...
    $ id
    uid=1001(tester) gid=501(tester) groups=501(tester)

    Checking under strace shows it's using inotify to detect the new file.
    See if installing one of the following fixes it for you. Please install only one
    at a time and then test to see if it's working. I'm thinking it may be a missing
    requires in dolphin, that's been installed on my system as I have most of the desktop environments installed. If that's the case, we need to know which of the packages is missing so it can be fixed.

    $ rpm -qa|grep notify|sort
    inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8
    knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64inotifytools0-3.20.11.0-1.mga8
    lib64kf5notifyconfig5-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64notify4-0.7.9-1.mga8
    lib64notify-gir0.7-0.7.9-1.mga8
    libnotify-0.7.9-1.mga8
    notify-sharp-0.4.0-6.git.7657cf.11.mga8
    purple-libnotify-plus-2.99.1-5.mga8
    python3-pyinotify-0.9.6-10.mga8
    vlc-plugin-libnotify-3.0.16-1.mga8.tainted
    xfce4-notifyd-0.6.2-2.mga8


    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 09:19:38 2021
    On 30/8/21 3:21 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:

    Checking under strace shows it's using inotify to detect the new file.
    See if installing one of the following fixes it for you. Please install
    only one
    at a time and then test to see if it's working. I'm thinking it may be a missing
    requires in dolphin, that's been installed on my system as I have most
    of the
    desktop environments installed. If that's the case, we need to know
    which of
    the packages is missing so it can be fixed.

    $ rpm -qa|grep notify|sort
    inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8
    knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64inotifytools0-3.20.11.0-1.mga8
    lib64kf5notifyconfig5-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64notify4-0.7.9-1.mga8
    lib64notify-gir0.7-0.7.9-1.mga8
    libnotify-0.7.9-1.mga8
    notify-sharp-0.4.0-6.git.7657cf.11.mga8
    purple-libnotify-plus-2.99.1-5.mga8
    python3-pyinotify-0.9.6-10.mga8
    vlc-plugin-libnotify-3.0.16-1.mga8.tainted
    xfce4-notifyd-0.6.2-2.mga8


    Regards, Dave Hodgins


    faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ rpm -qa|grep notify|sort
    knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64kf5notifyconfig5-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64notify4-0.7.9-1.mga8
    lib64notify-gir0.7-0.7.9-1.mga8
    [faeychild@unimatrix ~]$


    Quite a few missing

    I will have to devise a reliable test and that can't be until tomorrow

    On spec I tried "inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8" ,which I don't have,
    in software install MCC it is not found.

    To test I also tried "knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8" , which I do have,
    MCC didn't find it either.
    I didn't proceed further. Are they part of a library package and not
    listed individually?

    regards
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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 16:58:34 2021
    On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:19:38 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    I will have to devise a reliable test and that can't be until tomorrow

    On spec I tried "inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8" ,which I don't have,
    in software install MCC it is not found.

    http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/core/release/inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm

    To test I also tried "knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8" , which I do have,
    MCC didn't find it either.
    I didn't proceed further. Are they part of a library package and not
    listed individually?

    What's the output of "urpmq --list-media active"?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 17:02:33 2021
    On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:58:34 -0400, David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 04:19:38 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
    I will have to devise a reliable test and that can't be until tomorrow

    On spec I tried "inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8" ,which I don't have,
    in software install MCC it is not found.

    http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/core/release/inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm

    To test I also tried "knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8" , which I do have,
    MCC didn't find it either.
    I didn't proceed further. Are they part of a library package and not
    listed individually?

    What's the output of "urpmq --list-media active"?

    Just remembered. In mcc, use the drop down selection button to change the setting
    from "Packages with gui only", to "All".

    Regards, Dave Hodgins



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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 23:23:08 2021
    On 31/8/21 1:58 am, David W. Hodgins wrote:

    On spec I tried  "inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8" ,which I don't have,
    in software install MCC it is not found.

    http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/mageia/distrib/8/x86_64/media/core/release/inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8.x86_64.rpm

    Isn't that interesting!!

    My mirror happens to be princeton alsp


    To test I also tried "knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8" , which I do have,
    MCC didn't find it either.
    I didn't proceed further. Are they part of a library package and not
    listed individually?

    What's the output of "urpmq --list-media active"?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins


    [faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ urpmq --list-media active
    Core Release (distrib1)
    Core Updates (distrib3)
    Nonfree Release (distrib11)
    Nonfree Updates (distrib13)
    Tainted Release (distrib21)
    Tainted Updates (distrib23)
    Core 32bit Release (distrib31)
    Core 32bit Updates (distrib32)
    Nonfree 32bit Release (distrib36)
    Nonfree 32bit Updates (distrib37)
    Tainted 32bit Release (distrib41)
    Tainted 32bit Updates (distrib42)
    [faeychild@unimatrix ~]$

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Mon Aug 30 23:24:34 2021
    On 31/8/21 2:02 am, David W. Hodgins wrote:


    Just remembered. In mcc, use the drop down selection button to change
    the setting
    from "Packages with gui only", to "All".

    Absolutely! I tripped over that one previously


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Sep 1 03:36:59 2021
    On 30/8/21 3:21 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 00:18:51 -0400, faeychild


    MCC is now picking up the files. Some change in the magic.



    inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8 Not installed


    knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8 installed


    lib64inotifytools0-3.20.11.0-1.mga8 installed


    lib64kf5notifyconfig5-5.76.0-1.mga8 installed


    lib64notify4-0.7.9-1.mga8 installed


    lib64notify-gir0.7-0.7.9-1.mga8 installed


    libnotify-0.7.9-1.mga8 not installed


    notify-sharp-0.4.0-6.git.7657cf.11.mga8 not installed


    purple-libnotify-plus-2.99.1-5.mga8 not installed


    python3-pyinotify-0.9.6-10.mga8 not installed


    vlc-plugin-libnotify-3.0.16-1.mga8.tainted not installed


    xfce4-notifyd-0.6.2-2.mga8 not installed


    That appears to have cracked it, David.
    I was missing quite a few files.

    regards
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  • From David W. Hodgins@2:250/1 to All on Wed Sep 1 04:47:18 2021
    On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 22:36:59 -0400, faeychild <faeychild@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    On 30/8/21 3:21 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:
    On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 00:18:51 -0400, faeychild


    MCC is now picking up the files. Some change in the magic.



    inotify-tools-3.20.11.0-1.mga8 Not installed


    knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8 installed


    lib64inotifytools0-3.20.11.0-1.mga8 installed


    lib64kf5notifyconfig5-5.76.0-1.mga8 installed


    lib64notify4-0.7.9-1.mga8 installed


    lib64notify-gir0.7-0.7.9-1.mga8 installed


    libnotify-0.7.9-1.mga8 not installed


    notify-sharp-0.4.0-6.git.7657cf.11.mga8 not installed


    purple-libnotify-plus-2.99.1-5.mga8 not installed


    python3-pyinotify-0.9.6-10.mga8 not installed


    vlc-plugin-libnotify-3.0.16-1.mga8.tainted not installed


    xfce4-notifyd-0.6.2-2.mga8 not installed


    That appears to have cracked it, David.
    I was missing quite a few files.

    Did you keep track of which one actually fixed the problem?

    Regards, Dave Hodgins

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Sep 1 10:24:55 2021
    On 1/9/21 1:47 pm, David W. Hodgins wrote:

    That appears to have cracked it, David.
    I was missing quite a few files.

    Did you keep track of which one actually fixed the problem?


    Well fortunately NO.

    I say that because it didn't solve the problem after all
    A file downloaded with the browser was recognised without refresh

    But not with the TV streams downloading tonight.

    The folder was showing empty until I hit F5

    Tomorrow I will try with Mageia 6 and get a comparison.


    regards


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Wed Sep 1 22:58:54 2021
    On 1/9/21 7:24 pm, faeychild wrote:


    Tomorrow I will try with Mageia 6 and get a comparison.

    I booted the alternative test Mageia 8 partition and the problem does
    does not exist
    I can down load a TV stream and Dolphin populated the folder immediately.

    I switched back to production Mageia 8 and the fault persists.



    The "notify scan" of test Mageia 8 shows

    TEST Mageia 8

    faeychild@unimatrix ~]$ rpm -qa|grep notify|sort
    knotifyconfig-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64kf5notifyconfig5-5.76.0-1.mga8
    lib64notify4-0.7.9-1.mga8
    lib64notify-gir0.7-0.7.9-1.mga8

    Mageia 8 test has the same 'notify" shortfall without the problem

    I will go through the Dolphin config settings with a fine tooth comb
    later today and see if anything stupid jumps out at me.

    regards


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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 2 03:33:25 2021
    On 2/9/21 7:58 am, faeychild wrote:


    I will go through the Dolphin config settings with a fine tooth comb
    later today and see if anything stupid jumps out at me.
    Nothing in the seeting that would apply.
    '
    Unfortunately this stuff requires an uninterrupted day to slog through
    tests and comparisons.

    I always get interrupted by other peoples trivia. Perhaps I need to
    invest in a pile of bodies to discourage it. :-)


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  • From Bobbie Sellers@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 2 04:44:41 2021
    On 9/1/21 19:33, faeychild wrote:
    On 2/9/21 7:58 am, faeychild wrote:


    I will go through the Dolphin config settings with a fine tooth comb
    later today and see if anything stupid jumps out at me.
     Nothing in the seeting that would apply.
    '
    Unfortunately this stuff requires an uninterrupted day to slog through
    tests and comparisons.

     I always get interrupted by other peoples trivia. Perhaps I need to invest in a pile of bodies to discourage it. :-)

    Pile of bodies not a good idea for privacy. Too much paperwork and health considerations. Police or other security may get involved and
    that will mess up your schedule.


    bliss - 'Nearly any fool can use a Linux computer. Many do.' After all
    here We am...

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  • From faeychild@2:250/1 to All on Thu Sep 2 10:13:53 2021
    On 2/9/21 1:44 pm, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


      I always get interrupted by other peoples trivia. Perhaps I need to
    invest in a pile of bodies to discourage it. :-)

        Pile of bodies not a good idea for privacy.  Too much paperwork and
    health considerations.  Police or other security may get involved and
    that will mess up your schedule.

    Ah Ha! So that is why it has never worked reliably. My fault finding is doomed :-)

    Thanks Bobbie

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