Microsoft seems to have decided to block mail from my system, so any
domain (like hotmail) cannot get through to the people who use that
system. This keeps happening. Sometimes it goes away and thing behave normally for a while, and than all emails to their ssytems are
blocked. They never give a reason, they refuse, so I have no idea why
I am being blocked. I have checked my mail logs and there is not
unusual traffic being sent to their systems (or any other).
=20
How do I stop this from happening?
On 23.06.2021 at 19:29, William Unruh scribbled:
Microsoft seems to have decided to block mail from my system, so any
domain (like hotmail) cannot get through to the people who use that
system. This keeps happening. Sometimes it goes away and thing behave
normally for a while, and than all emails to their ssytems are
blocked. They never give a reason, they refuse, so I have no idea why
I am being blocked. I have checked my mail logs and there is not
unusual traffic being sent to their systems (or any other).
How do I stop this from happening?
It is probably related to the domain name of your host, or the general
domain that your IP address is hosted under.
As the administrator of a forum, I often get bounced notification
emails for email addresses belonging to our members. If those members
have subscribed to notifications for a particular thread, or they are receiving a private message, then the forum software automatically
sends out notification emails. Nothing unusual about that.
Except... Many email hosts — among which Microsoft's Hotmail, GMail and
a few others — are making use of whitelists and blacklists, commonly compiled by yet another corporate party, and especially in North
America, and it is my experience that it takes only ONE complaint —
for instance from a busybody who doesn't know how to click
the unsubscribe link at the bottom of each notification email — to have your IP address blacklisted as a source of spam. And once it is
blacklisted at that one corporate overseer, it'll become blacklisted at
all email domains that consult said overseer.
And then you can of course play hide and seek. Have your domain
removed from the blacklist, send out a few more emails, then discover
that somebody has reported you again and that you have been blacklisted again, and so on.
Our domain does not and has never sent out any spam, and yet I've
already been through the above process a dozen times of having us
whitelisted again and then ending up on the blacklist again a few weeks later, and so by now I simply don't care anymore. If it's an active
member, then I contact them and tell them that their notifications are blocked, and if it's an account for someone who hasn't logged on at the
forum anymore in months — not to mention years — then I simply put
their accounts into retirement, which stops the forum software from
sending out any more notifications to their email address.
Welcome to the corporate technocracy.
On 23.06.2021 at 19:29, William Unruh scribbled:
It is probably related to the domain name of your host, or the general
domain that your IP address is hosted under.
As the administrator of a forum, I often get bounced notification
emails for email addresses belonging to our members. If those members
have subscribed to notifications for a particular thread, or they are receiving a private message, then the forum software automatically
sends out notification emails. Nothing unusual about that.
Except... Many email hosts — among which Microsoft's Hotmail, GMail and
a few others — are making use of whitelists and blacklists, commonly compiled by yet another corporate party, and especially in North
America, and it is my experience that it takes only ONE complaint —
for instance from a busybody who doesn't know how to click
the unsubscribe link at the bottom of each notification email — to have your IP address blacklisted as a source of spam. And once it is
blacklisted at that one corporate overseer, it'll become blacklisted at
all email domains that consult said overseer.
On 6/23/21 4:22 PM, Aragorn wrote:
On 23.06.2021 at 19:29, William Unruh scribbled:In defense of the "busybody," it has long been advised to NOT click on
It is probably related to the domain name of your host, or the general
domain that your IP address is hosted under.
As the administrator of a forum, I often get bounced notification
emails for email addresses belonging to our members. If those members
have subscribed to notifications for a particular thread, or they are
receiving a private message, then the forum software automatically
sends out notification emails. Nothing unusual about that.
Except... Many email hosts — among which Microsoft's Hotmail, GMail and
a few others — are making use of whitelists and blacklists, commonly
compiled by yet another corporate party, and especially in North
America, and it is my experience that it takes only ONE complaint —
for instance from a busybody who doesn't know how to click
the unsubscribe link at the bottom of each notification email — to have
your IP address blacklisted as a source of spam. And once it is
blacklisted at that one corporate overseer, it'll become blacklisted at
all email domains that consult said overseer.
the "unsubscribe" link in an email that the recipient suspects is spam, because that tells the spammer they have reached an active email
address,and it will result in even more spam. An analogy is to NEVER
"Press 2" to be removed from a telemarketer's calling list.
It is unfortunate that such affects legitimate sources that follow the rules, but it is the reality of the situation.
TJ
On 2021-06-24, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
It is unfortunate that such affects legitimate sources that follow the
rules, but it is the reality of the situation.
I agree it is not really the busybody who is at fault, but Microsoft,
who has instituted a system which is overly sensitive, and highly prone
to abuse (Denial of Service attacks) by single individuals.
a) They should NOT be cutting off access because of a single complaint
from a single source.
b) They should be willing to state why access has been cut off, so that
the source can fix whatever the problem was-- perhaps not in detail but
in general at the very least.
c) They shoul make the process of restoration of service easier.
William Unruh wrote on 24/6/21 11:12 pm:
On 2021-06-24, TJ <TJ@noneofyour.business> wrote:
<Snip>
It is unfortunate that such affects legitimate sources that follow the
rules, but it is the reality of the situation.
I agree it is not really the busybody who is at fault, but Microsoft,
who has instituted a system which is overly sensitive, and highly prone
to abuse (Denial of Service attacks) by single individuals.
a) They should NOT be cutting off access because of a single complaint
from a single source.
b) They should be willing to state why access has been cut off, so that
the source can fix whatever the problem was-- perhaps not in detail but
in general at the very least.
c) They shoul make the process of restoration of service easier.
How come 'they' will close legitimate addresses/accounts for little
reason but seem powerless to stop the SPAM accounts??
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