My very old computer is giving up...
serious motherboard problem re. the screen
Planning to Install dual boot...
am not at all a high end user, no big games
no huge amount of data save for few fotos and movies...
100GB WidowsWhy 100 GB Windows
100GB data
280 MAgeiaIs that GB?
Intel i3 10100 Processor
Gigabyte GA H4 10M-H Motherboard
Crucial 4GB DDR-2666 Desktop RAM
Crucial BX500 480GB SSD
Corsair CV45W SMPS
SIlvestone Casing
Windows 10
I am not sure what to do or how regard the /boot/UFI ,
size etc...also not sure anymore how big /, /swap, should be and all the rest in /home
( In my old system I was also putting /usr on a different partition )
Also which UID number should give to /root 1000? 500?
they might seem obvious questions to many
of you but to me is where I am always
blocked wandering what to do...
ANy help suggestion is welcomed.
Also I hope to be able to read some
of your suggestions before the screen
gives up fully, otherwise I am going to be in trouble...
TIA
Santo
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 06:18:34 +0000, santo wrote:
also my supplier just told me
that Data partition will be formatted
exfat and will need to install
FUSE exFAT in Linux
I know nothing of this stuff, will have to check it out...
On 2021-01-29, santo <santo@auroville.org.in> wrote:
My very old computer is giving up...
serious motherboard problem re. the screen
Planning to Install dual boot...
am not at all a high end user, no big games
no huge amount of data save for few fotos and movies...
Is the below the old system, or your plans for the new system?
Why 100 GB Windows
100GB Widows
100GB data
What data? for Linux or for Windows?
280 MAgeiaIs that GB?
Yes, you will need a small boot partition.
Note that hard drive sizes are in decimal. Ie 480 x10^9 bytes, not
480 x2^30 bytes, And usually on filesystems the 2^30 is used. so your
480GB file systems will not fit on a 480GB drive.
(480 10^9= 441 GB)
Is this the old system or the new one?
Intel i3 10100 Processor
Gigabyte GA H4 10M-H Motherboard
Crucial 4GB DDR-2666 Desktop RAM
Crucial BX500 480GB SSD
Corsair CV45W SMPS
SIlvestone Casing
Windows 10
I am not sure what to do or how regard the /boot/UFI ,
size etc...also not sure anymore how big /, /swap, should be and all the rest in /home
( In my old system I was also putting /usr on a different partition )
Also which UID number should give to /root 1000? 500?
I make / about 30 GB, /swap a bit bigger than the amount of memeory you
have (ie a bit bigger that 4GB since if you want to hibernate the
system, you need to fit the memory into swap)
I put /usr onto / but /usr/local is a link to a directory of another partition, which I call /local Ie, stuff you want to specially put onto
the disk should be on a partition that you will not erase when you
reinstall the OS.
root is always UID 0. /root is root's home directory and should always
be UID 0. Your users should start with somethink like 1500 because
mageia keeps upping the number of system uids it wants.
they might seem obvious questions to many
of you but to me is where I am always
blocked wandering what to do...
ANy help suggestion is welcomed.
Also I hope to be able to read some
of your suggestions before the screen
gives up fully, otherwise I am going to be in trouble...
You have a backup I hope.
TIA
Santo
On 2021-01-29, santo <santo@auroville.org.in> wrote:
Why 100 GB Windows
100GB Widows
100GB data
What data? for Linux or for Windows?
yes...280 MAgeia
Is that GB?
Yes, you will need a small boot partition.
Note that hard drive sizes are in decimal. Ie 480 x10^9 bytes, not
480 x2^30 bytes, And usually on filesystems the 2^30 is used. so your
480GB file systems will not fit on a 480GB drive.
(480 10^9= 441 GB)
Is this the old system or the new one?
Intel i3 10100 Processor
Gigabyte GA H4 10M-H Motherboard
Crucial 4GB DDR-2666 Desktop RAM
Crucial BX500 480GB SSD
Corsair CV45W SMPS
SIlvestone Casing
Windows 10
I am not sure what to do or how regard the /boot/UFI ,
size etc...also not sure anymore how big /, /swap, should be and all the rest in /home
( In my old system I was also putting /usr on a different partition )
Also which UID number should give to /root 1000? 500?
I make / about 30 GB, /swap a bit bigger than the amount of memeory you
have (ie a bit bigger that 4GB since if you want to hibernate the
system, you need to fit the memory into swap)
I put /usr onto / but /usr/local is a link to a directory of another partition, which I call /local Ie, stuff you want to specially put onto
the disk should be on a partition that you will not erase when you
reinstall the OS.
root is always UID 0. /root is root's home directory and should always
be UID 0. Your users should start with somethink like 1500 because
mageia keeps upping the number of system uids it wants.
they might seem obvious questions to many
of you but to me is where I am always
blocked wandering what to do...
ANy help suggestion is welcomed.
Also I hope to be able to read some
of your suggestions before the screen
gives up fully, otherwise I am going to be in trouble...
You have a backup I hope.
Just to be clear, to really give you good advice you need to tell us
what you want to do with the machine (not what you do not want to do.
Things to keep in mind: You will want to install updates in the future.
There are two possible ways to go. One is just to upgrade the old OS to
the new one. That is of course not possible if yuo change distributions. Some people also worry that that can cause more problems than the second possibility.
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with nothing
left over from the old installation to possibley cause problems. It has
teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or specify all of the configuration options you spent time setting up in the old version.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
a 30 GB partition for the Mageia installation, containing /usr, but with /usr/local a link to a subdirectory in another partition, eg /local
A 30GB partition which is a spare for your installation of an update in
the future.
A 6GB swap partition.
The rest of the Mageia stuff, including /usr/local and /home in
directories of that partition, say /local
So it has
/local/usrlocal
/local/home
with links from /usr/local and /home.
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:39:33 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
Just to be clear, to really give you good advice you need to tell us
what you want to do with the machine (not what you do not want to do.
OOps I saw this post after I replied to your previous one...
I am not a high hand user .
I use the PC for Internet browsing some small games, data storage, work related stuff and private matters etc...
Things to keep in mind: You will want to install updates in the future.
There are two possible ways to go. One is just to upgrade the old OS to
the new one. That is of course not possible if yuo change
distributions.
Some people also worry that that can cause more problems than the
second possibility.
I always do clean install
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with
nothing left over from the old installation to possibley cause
problems. It has teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or specify
all of the configuration options you spent time setting up in the old
version.
Given that it is a completely new system it will be a totally new installation.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
a 30 GB partition for the Mageia installation, containing /usr, but
with /usr/local a link to a subdirectory in another partition, eg
/local A 30GB partition which is a spare for your installation of an
update in the future.
the fact is I do not understand/know how to do this stuff...
Is /usr/local and /local created by me during installation ?
how should my partition table look like after install?
what are the sizes? how to link them?
I really do know how to do this stuff /sigh!/
A 6GB swap partition.
The rest of the Mageia stuff, including /usr/local and /home in
directories of that partition, say /local So it has /local/usrlocal
/local/home with links from /usr/local and /home.
see above my difficulty...
never put /var in a separate partiton and I do not see the use for me to
do it...
My very old computer is giving up...
serious motherboard problem re. the screen
Planning to Install dual boot...
am not at all a high end user, no big games
no huge amount of data save for few fotos and movies...
100GB Widows
100GB data
280 MAgeia
Intel i3 10100 Processor
Gigabyte GA H4 10M-H Motherboard
Crucial 4GB DDR-2666 Desktop RAM
Crucial BX500 480GB SSD
Corsair CV45W SMPS
SIlvestone Casing
Windows 10
I am not sure what to do or how regard the /boot/UFI ,
size etc...also not sure anymore how big /, /swap, should be and all the rest in /home
( In my old system I was also putting /usr on a different partition )
Also which UID number should give to /root 1000? 500?
Swap should be at least the size of ram.
Putting
linux hibernate swap size
in the first box at
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
gets me
About 681,000 results (0.53 seconds)
Just reading first screen suggests 2xRam for swap size on your system.
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 11:17:04 +0000, santo wrote:
In some respects, I know only a little more than you do,
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:39:33 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
Just to be clear, to really give you good advice you need to tell us
what you want to do with the machine (not what you do not want to do.
OOps I saw this post after I replied to your previous one...
I am not a high hand user .
I use the PC for Internet browsing
some small games, data storage, work related stuff and private matters etc...
Things to keep in mind: You will want to install updates in the future.
There are two possible ways to go. One is just to upgrade the old OS to
the new one. That is of course not possible if yuo change distributions.
Some people also worry that that can cause more problems than the second
possibility.
I always do clean install
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with nothing
left over from the old installation to possibley cause problems. It has
teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or specify all of the
configuration options you spent time setting up in the old version.
Given that it is a completely new system it will be a totally new installation.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
a 30 GB partition for the Mageia installation, containing /usr, but with
/usr/local a link to a subdirectory in another partition, eg /local
A 30GB partition which is a spare for your installation of an update in
the future.
the fact is I do not understand/know how to do this stuff...
Is /usr/local and /local created by me during installation ?
how should my partition table look like after install?
what are the sizes? how to link them?
I really do know how to do this stuff /sigh!/
A 6GB swap partition.
The rest of the Mageia stuff, including /usr/local and /home in
directories of that partition, say /local
So it has
/local/usrlocal
/local/home
with links from /usr/local and /home.
see above my difficulty...
never put /var in a separate partiton and I do not see the use for me to do it...
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 11:17:04 +0000, santo wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:39:33 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
Just to be clear, to really give you good advice you need to tell us
what you want to do with the machine (not what you do not want to do.
OOps I saw this post after I replied to your previous one...
I am not a high hand user .
I use the PC for Internet browsing some small games, data storage, work
related stuff and private matters etc...
Things to keep in mind: You will want to install updates in the future.
There are two possible ways to go. One is just to upgrade the old OS to
the new one. That is of course not possible if yuo change
distributions.
Some people also worry that that can cause more problems than the
second possibility.
I always do clean install
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with
nothing left over from the old installation to possibley cause
problems. It has teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or specify
all of the configuration options you spent time setting up in the old
version.
Given that it is a completely new system it will be a totally new
installation.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
a 30 GB partition for the Mageia installation, containing /usr, but
with /usr/local a link to a subdirectory in another partition, eg
/local A 30GB partition which is a spare for your installation of an
update in the future.
the fact is I do not understand/know how to do this stuff...
Is /usr/local and /local created by me during installation ?
how should my partition table look like after install?
what are the sizes? how to link them?
I really do know how to do this stuff /sigh!/
A 6GB swap partition.
The rest of the Mageia stuff, including /usr/local and /home in
directories of that partition, say /local So it has /local/usrlocal
/local/home with links from /usr/local and /home.
see above my difficulty...
never put /var in a separate partiton and I do not see the use for me to
do it...
In some respects, I know only a little more than you do, but I may be
able to clarify a few things. Please wait a bit and see if others
provide corrections, in case I botch something.
If the new system has Win 10 on it, it will have the small partition
needed for UEFI. When you install mageia, that will be recognized, and
your UEFI boot software will be put there, with additional boot software going into /boot as it currently does. That small partition should be at least 50MB and could be as large as 300MB or even 500MB.
You will need to shrink the Win 10 partition to the 100GB recommended. There is Windows software that will do that, but you may need to search
on the 'Net for instructions. I think Win 10 systems have a partition
for recovery software, and that will take up some of your SSD space.
If you want to access your data from both Win 10 and Mageia, it should be
on its own partition and have a file system that both can read. That is
the reason your supplier recommended an exFat partition. Size is your choice.
Mageia / partition should be at least 30GB, and I would recommend 40GB or (even better) 50GB. This allows downloading all the rpm packages needed
to upgrade from e.g. Mageia 7 to Mageia 8 and installing all of it all at once. FWIW, Mageia 8 should be available in weeks ahead. If possible,
you might want to wait for it, or maybe install the run candidate version and then update from that to the regular version.
Mageia has instructions (on its wiki?) for installing from Cauldron if
you decide to install the run candidate.
SWAP will go on its own partition, and should be as large as your RAM in
the system. You specified 4GB RAM. I would recommend 6GB or 8GB, but
that does cost more.
I would allow the Mageia installer to create /usr, /bin, /sbin, /opt or /usr/opt, /local or /usr/local and /var as part of the file system on /
(the root partition). I would not create a separate partition for them. ext4 is probably the best format for that file partition.
The remainder of your SSD can be used to create a partition (ext4) for /home/ and any user home directories under it.
Do you wish to have a separate partition on your SSD for backup? If you
have lots of disk space available, that might be a good idea, but backup
to a WD Passport or other detachable drive might be better. Hot backup
to a partition on the SSD plus a WD Passport for more secure backup is another possibility, but I am not sure you need both.
Cheers!
jim b.
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 08:52:41 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
Swap should be at least the size of ram.
Putting
linux hibernate swap size
in the first box at
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
gets me
About 681,000 results (0.53 seconds)
Just reading first screen suggests 2xRam for swap size on your system.
Lots of info...thanks,
:-)
printed, will read carefully and
will keep by my side will before starting the install...
OK, then my advice of making 2 30GB or 40GB partitions is good. They are
for / in the current booting version and a spare for the where you will install the next operating system version. (call is /spareroot)
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with
nothing left over from the old installation to possibley cause
problems. It has teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or
specify all of the configuration options you spent time setting up in
the old version.
Given that it is a completely new system it will be a totally new
installation.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
the fact is I do not understand/know how to do this stuff...
When you set up the disk, which you apparently do know how to do since
you have installed before, make your four partitions. swap , /, /spare
(each of say 30GB) and /local Install .
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:00:46 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
OK, then my advice of making 2 30GB or 40GB partitions is good. They are
for / in the current booting version and a spare for the where you will
install the next operating system version. (call is /spareroot)
OK...Mageia7.1 installed.
I had no idea how to create a usb bootable drive and the explanation I
found on the Mageia site and elsewhere were too difficult for me to understand so I shifted the cdrom from the old system to this new one and installed from DVD.
I really wanted to create 2 / partition and call the second one
/spareroot ...I liked the idea that when Mageia8 was released I could use that one but nowhere I was given the chance to create another / and
'call' it like that.
After creating the first / partition I was never given the option to
create another one.
I left 30GB free space maybe I will be able to use that space as / when installing Mageia8?
same for the /local or usr/local...I wonder when and how are you guys creating and naming them that way...
When you set up the disk, which you apparently do know how to do since
you have installed before, make your four partitions. swap , /, /spare
(each of say 30GB) and /local Install .
OK...this is what confuses me...is this passage when I select the free
spaces during Custom disk partition or is sometime before installing ? because as I said before during custom disk partitioning I was not able
to do it...
Thanks anyway for your help...
Santo
this is what it looks like now...
/usr and /opt /home are on a separate partition...
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda3 98G 24G 74G 25% /media/windows
/dev/sda6 29G 100M 28G 1% /
/dev/sda8 20G 3.5G 15G 20% /usr
/dev/sda9 9.6G 37M 9.1G 1% /opt
/dev/sda11 25G 51M 25G 1% /home
/dev/sda10 153G 139M 145G 1% /var
You have ignored advice to not have separate /usr, /var, /home
partitions if you want to multi-boot linux installs.
In my stupid opinion, you could create 3 30g partitions to have a
previous, current, next Linux installs.
Sharing /home between installs is a good way to screw up user login.
I have /accounts for my /home files that are shared between previous, current, next installs.
On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 07:36:27 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
You have ignored advice to not have separate /usr, /var, /home
partitions if you want to multi-boot linux installs.
I am shocked...I have no idea how all this came about...!!!
I do not remember creating a separate partition for /var I would never do that I have no idea how it come to have 145 G...
Long ago I remeber I was given the suggestion to have a separate
partition for /usr so that progrms etc installed there remain in case of
a new install...I always did and there was never any issue with it...
In my stupid opinion, you could create 3 30g partitions to have a
previous, current, next Linux installs.
tried but as I wrote I do not seem to be able to
do it when selecting Custom Partition so I really do not know how to
create 2 even less 3...
Sharing /home between installs is a good way to screw up user login.
It has happened with one of my previous installation and you helped me
solve that screw up
I have /accounts for my /home files that are shared between previous,
current, next installs.
you have /account many here have /local or /usr/local or /spareroot
etc... I always wondered how and from where they were coming from......
I will reinstall...
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 15:05:16 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 07:36:27 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
You have ignored advice to not have separate /usr, /var, /home
partitions if you want to multi-boot linux installs.
I am shocked...I have no idea how all this came about...!!!
I do not remember creating a separate partition for /var I would never do
that I have no idea how it come to have 145 G...
Long ago I remeber I was given the suggestion to have a separate
partition for /usr so that progrms etc installed there remain in case of
a new install...I always did and there was never any issue with it...
In my stupid opinion, you could create 3 30g partitions to have a
previous, current, next Linux installs.
tried but as I wrote I do not seem to be able to
do it when selecting Custom Partition so I really do not know how to
create 2 even less 3...
Sharing /home between installs is a good way to screw up user login.
It has happened with one of my previous installation and you helped me
solve that screw up
I have /accounts for my /home files that are shared between previous,
current, next installs.
you have /account many here have /local or /usr/local or /spareroot
etc... I always wondered how and from where they were coming from......
Everyone has /usr/local. It is a default.
I created/use /local for sharing stuff between releases.
$ ls /local
bin cron icons log opt ppp tmp
config doc lock lost+found phone sounds
I will reinstall...
Download/burn rescue cd
Decide what partitions and size to create and label.
Boot rescue cd, bottom left should have an icon to launch gparted.
create a partition, format ext4, set media label, set partition label
and click Apply.
Do same for each new partition, then boot your OS install cd/dvd.
OK, then my advice of making 2 30GB or 40GB partitions is good. They arefound on the Mageia site and elsewhere were too difficult for me to
for / in the current booting version and a spare for the where you will install the next operating system version. (call is /spareroot)
OK...Mageia7.1 installed.
I had no idea how to create a usb bootable drive and the explanation I
I really wanted to create 2 / partition and call the second one/spareroot ...I liked the idea that when Mageia8 was released I could use
After creating the first / partition I was never given the option tocreate another one.
I left 30GB free space maybe I will be able to use that space as / wheninstalling Mageia8?
same for the /local or usr/local...I wonder when and how are you guyscreating and naming them that way...
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with
nothing left over from the old installation to possibley cause
problems. It has teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or
specify all of the configuration options you spent time setting up in
the old version.
had the chance...Given that it is a completely new system it will be a totally new
installation.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
yes it had one already but only 100MB did not tamper with it even if I
spaces during Custom disk partition or is sometime before installing ?the fact is I do not understand/know how to do this stuff...
When you set up the disk, which you apparently do know how to do since
you have installed before, make your four partitions. swap , /, /spare
(each of say 30GB) and /local Install .
OK...this is what confuses me...is this passage when I select the free
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:00:46 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
OK, then my advice of making 2 30GB or 40GB partitions is good. They are
for / in the current booting version and a spare for the where you will
install the next operating system version. (call is /spareroot)
OK...Mageia7.1 installed.
I had no idea how to create a usb bootable drive and the explanation I
found on the Mageia site and elsewhere were too difficult for me to understand so I shifted the cdrom from the old system to this new one and installed from DVD.
I really wanted to create 2 / partition and call the second one
/spareroot ...I liked the idea that when Mageia8 was released I could use that one but nowhere I was given the chance to create another / and
'call' it like that.
After creating the first / partition I was never given the option to
create another one.
I left 30GB free space maybe I will be able to use that space as / when installing Mageia8?
same for the /local or usr/local...I wonder when and how are you guys creating and naming them that way...
The second is to install the new updated distro version from scratch.
This has the advantage that you will get a new installation with
nothing left over from the old installation to possibley cause
problems. It has teh disadvantage that you have to reinstall or
specify all of the configuration options you spent time setting up in
the old version.
exactly...
Given that it is a completely new system it will be a totally new
installation.
A 500MB exfat /boot partition for your UFI. If Windows is already
installed it should have already made one of these.
yes it had one already but only 100MB did not tamper with it even if I
had the chance...
the fact is I do not understand/know how to do this stuff...
When you set up the disk, which you apparently do know how to do since
you have installed before, make your four partitions. swap , /, /spare
(each of say 30GB) and /local Install .
OK...this is what confuses me...is this passage when I select the free spaces during Custom disk partition or is sometime before installing ? because as I said before during custom disk partitioning I was not able
to do it...
Thanks anyway for your help...
Santo
this is what it looks like now...
/usr and /opt /home are on a separate partition...
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev
tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev/shm
tmpfs 1.9G 1.1M 1.9G 1% /run
/dev/sda6 29G 100M 28G 1% /
/dev/sda8 20G 3.5G 15G 20% /usr
tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs 1.9G 8.0K 1.9G 1% /tmp
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda11 25G 51M 25G 1% /home
/dev/sda10 153G 139M 145G 1% /var
/dev/sda9 9.6G 37M 9.1G 1% /opt
/dev/sda3 98G 24G 74G 25% /media/windows
tmpfs 381M 24K 381M 1% /run/user/1000
/dev/sr0 4.2G 4.2G 0 100% /run/media/santo/Mageia-7.1-x86_64 [santo@localhost ~]$
On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 07:36:27 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
You have ignored advice to not have separate /usr, /var, /home
partitions if you want to multi-boot linux installs.
I am shocked...I have no idea how all this came about...!!!
I do not remember creating a separate partition for /var I would never do that I have no idea how it come to have 145 G...
Long ago I remeber I was given the suggestion to have a separate
partition for /usr so that progrms etc installed there remain in case of
a new install...I always did and there was never any issue with it...
In my stupid opinion, you could create 3 30g partitions to have a
previous, current, next Linux installs.
tried but as I wrote I do not seem to be able to
do it when selecting Custom Partition so I really do not know how to
create 2 even less 3...
Sharing /home between installs is a good way to screw up user login.
It has happened with one of my previous installation and you helped me solve that screw up
I have /accounts for my /home files that are shared between previous,
current, next installs.
you have /account many here have /local or /usr/local or /spareroot
etc... I always wondered how and from where they were coming from......
sorry I am repeating myself
I will reinstall...
On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:14:41 +0000, santo wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:00:46 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
OK, then my advice of making 2 30GB or 40GB partitions is good. They are
for / in the current booting version and a spare for the where you will
install the next operating system version. (call is /spareroot)
OK...Mageia7.1 installed.
I had no idea how to create a usb bootable drive and the explanation Ifound on the Mageia site and elsewhere were too difficult for me to understand so I shifted the cdrom from the old system to this new one and installed from DVD.
I really wanted to create 2 / partition and call the second one/spareroot ...I liked the idea that when Mageia8 was released I could use that one but nowhere I was given the chance to create another / and
'call' it like that.
One name for a partition is contained in firmware on the motherboard.
That name should never be duplicated in that firmware. Most system
software will not allow you to duplicate that name in that firmware.
I think you somehow created name "/" for a partition in that firmware.
It is completely independent of the / name that your operating sees
and shows as the "name" of the root partition. That name / is
contained in an initrd.*img file found in /boot (for Linux).
During booting, one of the initrd files from /boot is copied to
/initrd, and used to boot, with the "/" partition name in that
initrd file determining which will be the "root partition" of
the system when booted.
After creating the first / partition I was never given the option tocreate another one.
As mentioned, you can create only one instance of a name for a
partition in the firmware. You do not need any partition to be
named / in that firmware.
Within operating system software for one os, you likewise can have only
one named / (root) partition. If you have 14 operating systems
installed on a disk, each on a separate partition, each one
will have its own / partition, and each of those partitions
will have its own (different) name in firmware.
I left 30GB free space maybe I will be able to use that space as / wheninstalling Mageia8?
Yes, when you install Mageia8, you can tell the installer to name
that 30GB partition /. The installer will put that name "/" in the
initrd file that will be created for that Mageia8......
I have no idea what you are saying. There are no names in firmware.
Note that I do not like a huge number of partitions, because it ALWAYS happens that one partition will fill up completely and the other has
50GB still free in it.
I like to have things so whatever needs the space can use it without
any intervention from me. (eg /usr, /var all in one partition). That
can lead to a problem is for example the /var logs fill up the
partition making booting tough, or impossible If /var is in a
separate partition from /, then /var filling up does not usually lead
to an unbootable syste. In the other hand it costs you in unused
space. /var needs more space, while / still has 20GB available. As
usual one advantage can become a disadvantage sometimes, and you have
decide which possibility to live with.=20
On 2021-02-05, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:
On Fri, 05 Feb 2021 07:36:27 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
I will reinstall...
Probbly a good idea.
Note that I do not like a huge number of partitions, because it ALWAYS happens that one partition will fill up completely and the other has
50GB still free in it. I like to have things so whatever needs the space
can use it without any intervention from me. (eg /usr, /var all in one partition). That can lead to a problem is for example the /var logs fill
up the partition making booting tough, or impossible If /var is in a
separate partition from /, then /var filling up does not usually lead to
an unbootable syste. In the other hand it costs you in unused space.
/var needs more space, while / still has 20GB available.
As usual one advantage can become a disadvantage sometimes, and you have decide which possibility to live with.
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:00:46 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
OK, then my advice of making 2 30GB or 40GB partitions is good. They
are for / in the current booting version and a spare for the where you
will install the next operating system version. (call is /spareroot)
OK...Mageia7.1 installed.
I had no idea how to create a usb bootable drive and the explanation I
found on the Mageia site and elsewhere were too difficult for me to understand so I shifted the cdrom from the old system to this new one
and installed from DVD.
I really wanted to create 2 / partition and call the second one
/spareroot ...I liked the idea that when Mageia8 was released I could
use that one but nowhere I was given the chance to create another / and 'call' it like that.
After creating the first / partition I was never given the option to
create another one.
I left 30GB free space maybe I will be able to use that space as / when installing Mageia8?
same for the /local or usr/local...I wonder when and how are you guys creating and naming them that way...
OK...this is what confuses me...is this passage when I select the free
spaces during Custom disk partition or is sometime before installing ? because as I said before during custom disk partitioning I was not able
to do it...
Thanks anyway for your help...
Santo
this is what it looks like now...
/usr and /opt /home are on a separate partition...
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on devtmpfs 1.9G
0 1.9G 0% /dev tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev/shm tmpfs
1.9G 1.1M 1.9G 1% /run /dev/sda6 29G 100M 28G
1% /
/dev/sda8 20G 3.5G 15G 20% /usr tmpfs 1.9G 0
1.9G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup tmpfs 1.9G 8.0K 1.9G 1% /tmp
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI /dev/sda11 25G
51M 25G 1% /home /dev/sda10 153G 139M 145G 1% /var
/dev/sda9 9.6G 37M 9.1G 1% /opt /dev/sda3 98G 24G
74G 25% /media/windows tmpfs 381M 24K 381M 1%
/run/user/1000 /dev/sr0 4.2G 4.2G 0 100% /run/media/santo/Mageia-7.1-x86_64 [santo@localhost ~]$
Hi ,
I answer to all through you ...I did reinstall...All suggestions given
about using gparted or rescue disk etc...are way above my level...never
used them before and I was afraid of being a click away from the next disaster if I went ahead...
So decided to just create a 30GB/ 8GB swap( I could not read that 10GB
was better ) 15GB usr/local ( I could see it this time in the drop down
menu when creating the partitions...) and of course all the rest to
/home on a separate partition and left 30GB free to be used as root with Mageia8.
Decided for xfce and I like it...
Thank you all for your help and suggestions I could - and will be able to
- only take what I could...
Very appreciated
Santo
[santo@localhost ~]$ df
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
devtmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev
tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev/shm
tmpfs 1.9G 1.1M 1.9G 1% /run
/dev/sda6 29G 3.6G 24G 14% /
tmpfs 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs 1.9G 8.0K 1.9G 1% /tmp
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda8 15G 41M 14G 1% /usr/local
/dev/sda9 168G 68M 168G 1% /home
/dev/sda3 98G 24G 74G 25% /media/windows
tmpfs 381M 24K 381M 1% /run/user/1000
/dev/sr0 4.2G 4.2G 0 100% /run/media/santo/Mageia-7.1-x86_64 [santo@localhost ~]$
On 2021-02-06, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:
Go to MCC (Mageia Control Center-- one of the little icons at the bottom
or top of your screen-- looks like a broken gear) and click on the Local Disks->Manage disk partitions, click on the 30GB white space, and make a partition taking up the full space. Give it the name /spareroot and make
it an ext4 type partition. Now it will be all ready when you wnat t
install Mga8
Hi ,
I answer to all through you ...I did reinstall...All suggestions given
about using gparted or rescue disk etc...are way above my level...never
used them before and I was afraid of being a click away from the next disaster if I went ahead...
[santo@localhost ~]$ df
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda3 98G 24G 74G 25% /media/windows
/dev/sda6 29G 3.6G 24G 14% /
/dev/sda8 15G 41M 14G 1% /usr/local
/dev/sda9 168G 68M 168G 1% /home
On 2021-02-06, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:
Hi ,
I answer to all through you ...I did reinstall...All suggestions given
about using gparted or rescue disk etc...are way above my level...never
used them before and I was afraid of being a click away from the next
disaster if I went ahead...
Fine. Diskdrake is OK as well (which is what you used in the
installation.)
So decided to just create a 30GB/ 8GB swap( I could not read that 10GB
It is just one wants swap a little bit bigger than total memory.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:25:56 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-06, santo <nanci@auroville.org.in> wrote:
Hi ,
I answer to all through you ...I did reinstall...All suggestions given
about using gparted or rescue disk etc...are way above my level...never
used them before and I was afraid of being a click away from the next
disaster if I went ahead...
Fine. Diskdrake is OK as well (which is what you used in the
installation.)
So decided to just create a 30GB/ 8GB swap( I could not read that 10GB
It is just one wants swap a little bit bigger than total memory.
Bad advice if user is going to hibernate. Read swap size table at
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
with
swap size hibernate
in first box.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:55:37 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:....
Just for fun, run
lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda3 98G 24G 74G 25% /media/windows
/dev/sda6 29G 3.6G 24G 14% /
/dev/sda8 15G 41M 14G 1% /usr/local
sda8 seems a waste space in your setup since it was designed to be in /.
Also another reason that you cannot have a Mageia test install/upgrade setup.
Hehehek going to be another install for your to set it in /
/dev/sda9 168G 68M 168G 1% /home
Well, you certainly have plenty of space for users to store files
in /home. :(
I do suggest having a second and/or third user account for testing.
I create "normnal" during install, then "junk" then regular users
starting at uid/gid 1500.
$ ls -ln /home
total 32
drwx------ 19 1500 1500 4096 Feb 5 21:16 bittwister
drwx------ 14 1004 1004 4096 Aug 3 2020 gnome
drwx------ 16 1001 1001 4096 Dec 20 20:26 junk
drwx------ 14 1002 1002 4096 Aug 3 2020 kde
drwx------ 15 1000 1000 4096 Aug 3 2020 normal
drwx------ 14 1003 1003 4096 Aug 3 2020 xfce
"normnal" is not changed and used as reference to find changes in
user account files.
Which brings a question to my mind, how many people use the system?
There is only me on mine, but I use several accounts for testing and
whatnot.
You have no method of testing the next upgrade to Mageia Release 8. :-(
Of course if upgrade fails you can do a clean 8 install. :)
But that assumes Mga8 works on your hardware.
Mga8 Live Release Candidate isos can be found on your mirror of choice.
In my stupid opinion, it would be simple for you to use the rescue cd gparted to shrink/resize /home, create/format/label a partition for testing upgrades if nothing else.
Might not hurt to go to youtube.com and search for gparted resize videos.
Process would be boot rescue cd, hit Return, then startx when prompted,
click hard drive icon (gparted) in bottom screen panel (4'th icon)
Right click /dev/sda9
select Resize/move
You can then Left click the fat arrow on the Right and drag it left
to shrink /home.
If you enter 30720 in the Free space following (MiB) it would shrink
it by 30 gig.
FYI: if you were to enter 40960 in the New Size: box
it would shrink /home to 40 gig. Click the Resize/Move button, then
click the green Apply Icon
I used https://wintelguy.com/gb2gib.html to make me a list of gig to MiB values.
After the refresh, Right click the new Unallocated space and click New.
Enter 30720 in the New Size: box.
Click selection in the File system: box and select ext4
Click Add button, then the Apply Icon
after refresh, Right click the new partition, pick Name Partition
and enter mga8 and click Ok, and then Apply icon.
after refresh, Right click the new partition, pick Label File System
and enter mga8 and click Ok, and then Apply icon.
At this point you would have a new partition for doing a mga8 for
upgrade testing or clean install.
If it were me, I would label and name sda6 tp mga7
Close gparted, Right click on desktop wallpaper, select Applications and
wait for Log Out selection. At rescue prompt remove rescue cd, and enter reboot.
Now run
lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
On 2021-02-06, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:55:37 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:...
Just for fun, run
lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
Why?
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 96M 27M 70M 28% /boot/EFI
/dev/sda3 98G 24G 74G 25% /media/windows
/dev/sda6 29G 3.6G 24G 14% /
/dev/sda8 15G 41M 14G 1% /usr/local
sda8 seems a waste space in your setup since it was designed to be in /.
Nope. /usr/local is where you store your own stuff-- stuff not proivided
by the OS. Why would you want it to be somewhere that your next install
wiped out?
If you keep a list of OS stuff installed, then you can
(barring idiotic name changes which Mageia was wont to do in the past) reinstall using that list.
REinstalling outside programs is usually not
that easy, especially if you compiled it (or wrote it) yourself.
Also another reason that you cannot have a Mageia test install/upgrade setup.
HuH? a Mageia install does not install anything into /usr/local. So why
is this an impediment?
In my stupid opinion, it would be simple for you to use the rescue cd gparted
to shrink/resize /home, create/format/label a partition for testing upgrades >> if nothing else.
That is that spare 30GB that he mentioned and which he has now installed
and formatted.
Might not hurt to go to youtube.com and search for gparted resize videos.
Diskdrake also does resize.
Process would be boot rescue cd, hit Return, then startx when prompted,
click hard drive icon (gparted) in bottom screen panel (4'th icon)
Right click /dev/sda9
select Resize/move
You can then Left click the fat arrow on the Right and drag it left
to shrink /home.
He can use /home for all kinds of other stuff than just home
directories. What is in a name?
If you enter 30720 in the Free space following (MiB) it would shrink
it by 30 gig.
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
If it were me, I would label and name sda6 tp mga7
So he has to relabel it when he wants to install mga9 ontothat
partitions?
One should not have to change labels on a partition.
Close gparted, Right click on desktop wallpaper, select Applications and
wait for Log Out selection. At rescue prompt remove rescue cd, and enter
reboot.
Unfortunately right click on wallpaper does not work for XFCE which he
says he is using.
Instead there is a small Logout icom in the taskbar,
and if you click on your name, it lists a Logout option.
Now run
lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
Again, why?
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:45:13 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
If you keep a list of OS stuff installed, then you can
(barring idiotic name changes which Mageia was wont to do in the past)
reinstall using that list.
Very true, but just keep in mind that the OP is not that advanced
REinstalling outside programs is usually not
that easy, especially if you compiled it (or wrote it) yourself.
That is what make files are for if not using a build script.
Also another reason that you cannot have a Mageia test install/upgrade setup.
HuH? a Mageia install does not install anything into /usr/local. So why
is this an impediment?
But the sys admin might have. And you do not want to share between OS boots.
If shared, a new compile/linked binary on new install might ruin current install binary.
In my stupid opinion, it would be simple for you to use the rescue cd gparted
to shrink/resize /home, create/format/label a partition for testing upgrades
if nothing else.
That is that spare 30GB that he mentioned and which he has now installed
and formatted.
No, I am talking about creating another 30g for the second Linux OS install.
Diskdrake also does resize.
Might not hurt to go to youtube.com and search for gparted resize videos. >>
Very true, but Diskdrake better not allow it while using the partition. Always keep in mind the OP's knowledge.
Process would be boot rescue cd, hit Return, then startx when prompted,
click hard drive icon (gparted) in bottom screen panel (4'th icon)
Right click /dev/sda9
select Resize/move
You can then Left click the fat arrow on the Right and drag it left
to shrink /home.
He can use /home for all kinds of other stuff than just home
directories. What is in a name?
Not much other than what is in /etc/passwd. Keep in mind that the purpose
of a dual Linux OS boot is the new install should not disturb the current install.
I have a /misc partition for sharing odd stuff between installs.
$ ls /misc
cats faq humor jpg lost+found mpeg php png sql txt
If you enter 30720 in the Free space following (MiB) it would shrink
it by 30 gig.
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I seem to have missed it, Care to tell me the current partition number
based on the new install layout?
If it were me, I would label and name sda6 tp mga7
So he has to relabel it when he wants to install mga9 ontothat
partitions?
Yup,
One should not have to change labels on a partition.
Well I suggest it is more informative to have it match contents.
For example look at this snippet
$ lsblk -o NAME,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,PARTLABEL
NAME MOUNTPOINT LABEL PARTLABEL
sda
├─sda1 mga6 mga6
├─sda2 mga8 mga8
├─sda3 / mga7 mga7
├─sda4 cauldron cauldron
├
sdb
├─sdb2 bk_up bk_up
├─sdb3 hotbu hotbu
├─sdb4 cauldron_bkup cauldron_bkup
├─sdb6 net_ins net_ins
└─sdb7 net_ins_bkup net_ins_bkup
Easy for me to see/find the cauldron or network install partitions
and their backup's. hotbu is the backup of whatever mgX that used
as mu "Production" install.
Close gparted, Right click on desktop wallpaper, select Applications and >>> wait for Log Out selection. At rescue prompt remove rescue cd, and enter >>> reboot.
Unfortunately right click on wallpaper does not work for XFCE which he
says he is using.
Instead there is a small Logout icom in the taskbar,
and if you click on your name, it lists a Logout option.
Humm, his Xfce may have the panel icons but should still have the
Right click desktop wallpaper popup menu.
By the way instructions were about using gparted on a rescue cd which uses Xfce.
Not about his running OS install.
Again, why?
Now run
lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL >>
Go back to top of this post and read my reply.
I wanted him to see the labels of the new partition.
On 2021-02-06, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 17:45:13 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
If you keep a list of OS stuff installed, then you can
(barring idiotic name changes which Mageia was wont to do in the past)
reinstall using that list.
Very true, but just keep in mind that the OP is not that advanced
rpm -qa --qf '%{NAME} \n' >~/mga7-installed
Now you have a list of all of the installed programs
After you have installed mga8 and booted into it
urpmi `cat ~bugsbunny/mga7-installed|xargs --max-args=20 urpmi
Assuming bugsbunny is your username.
REinstalling outside programs is usually not
that easy, especially if you compiled it (or wrote it) yourself.
That is what make files are for if not using a build script.
And usually it works fine on the next version of the OS. If not then you
know which ones you have to waste time on.
Also another reason that you cannot have a Mageia test install/upgrade setup.
HuH? a Mageia install does not install anything into /usr/local. So why
is this an impediment?
He is installing . The sysadmin is him. He should NOT be putting stuff
into /usr/local until after he has mounted /usr/local.
But the sys admin might have. And you do not want to share between OS boots.
Sure you do. I have very rarely had trouble. See above.
If shared, a new compile/linked binary on new install might ruin current
install binary.
In my stupid opinion, it would be simple for you to use the rescue cd gparted
to shrink/resize /home, create/format/label a partition for testing upgrades
if nothing else.
That is that spare 30GB that he mentioned and which he has now installed >>> and formatted.
No, I am talking about creating another 30g for the second Linux OS install.
That was exactly what his 30G unallocated space was for, and what the partition which he just created in that space and formatted was for.
Diskdrake also does resize.
Might not hurt to go to youtube.com and search for gparted resize videos. >>>
Very true, but Diskdrake better not allow it while using the partition.
Always keep in mind the OP's knowledge.
Agreed. But diskdrake is not stupid, and AFAIK does not allow resizing a mounted partition, just like gparted. While I agree that learning
gparted would probably be useful at least once a year for him, he is
right now comfortable with the Mageia tools.
Process would be boot rescue cd, hit Return, then startx when prompted, >>>> click hard drive icon (gparted) in bottom screen panel (4'th icon)
Right click /dev/sda9
select Resize/move
You can then Left click the fat arrow on the Right and drag it left
to shrink /home.
He can use /home for all kinds of other stuff than just home
directories. What is in a name?
Not much other than what is in /etc/passwd. Keep in mind that the purpose
?? I was refering to using /home not only for the various user's home directories, but for other stuff as well. Eg, if he is going to compile
lots of stuff, putting /usr/src/rpm into /home and linking to
/usr/src/rpm. (Of course Mageia in its infinite wisdom decided to put
the rpm home into the user's directory,
which was completely brain dead
as far as I am concerned, but maybe if you have 100 people on your
machine all compiling their own stuff, it might be OK. But worse is
putting roots rpm home into /root really is dumb. A great way of filling
up the / partition, and bricking the system. )
of a dual Linux OS boot is the new install should not disturb the current
install.
I have a /misc partition for sharing odd stuff between installs.
I thought it was archive?
showed miscellaneous stuff.$ ls /misc
cats faq humor jpg lost+found mpeg php png sql txt
If it were me, I would label and name sda6 to mga7
So he has to relabel it when he wants to install mga9 ontothat
partitions?
Yup,
One should not have to change labels on a partition.
Well I suggest it is more informative to have it match contents.
Well if he is going to label them, a label which survives re/install,
like
root1 and root2 say would give one less thing to worry about when he
does install a new system.
For example look at this snippet
$ lsblk -o NAME,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,PARTLABEL
NAME MOUNTPOINT LABEL PARTLABEL
sda
├─sda1 mga6 mga6
├─sda2 mga8 mga8
├─sda3 / mga7 mga7
├─sda4 cauldron cauldron
So when you install Mga9 where mga6 now is, you have to relabel four partitions? Not my idea of fun.
Wehn I switched to xfce because zoom has a severe bug under Plasma, the desktop menu had no such option. It was under my hame on the task bar instead. right click on the desktop does not include any way of logging out/shutdown/sleep/... on my Mga7 version.
By the way instructions were about using gparted on a rescue cd which uses Xfce.
Not about his running OS install.
Ah. Maybe the rescue cd has done that. I am not sure which rescue cd you
are referring to
Again, why?
Now run
lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL >>>
Go back to top of this post and read my reply.
I wanted him to see the labels of the new partition.
Ah. Telling him what, in the output, you want him to notice is helpful. Otherwise it is just a long list of incomprehensible numbers and
letters.
And if you read the article, you will notice that the advice is all over
the place.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 12:28:47 -0500, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
And if you read the article, you will notice that the advice is all over
the place.
The general advice for low ram systems is twice the amount of ram, but
that is not normally needed for modern systems with more ram.
It really depends on how many programs are running that require large
amounts of ram are likely to be running when hibernations will be used.
My advice, is to open all the programs, tabs that you will normally use,
use them as normal for a day, and then check the output of "free -m".
Look at the used column. The swap should be large enough to hold
whatever is already in swap, plus the used Mem, plus some extra
for safety.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:55:37 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
Hi ,
I answer to all through you ...I did reinstall...All suggestions given
about using gparted or rescue disk etc...are way above my level...never
used them before and I was afraid of being a click away from the next
disaster if I went ahead...
How sad...
[santo@localhost ~]$ df
sda8 seems a waste space in your setup since it was designed to be in /.
/dev/sda9 168G 68M 168G 1% /home
Well, you certainly have plenty of space for users to store files in
/home. :(
I do suggest having a second and/or third user account for testing.
I create "normnal" during install, then "junk" then regular users
starting at uid/gid 1500.
$ ls -ln /home
You have no method of testing the next upgrade to Mageia Release 8.
:-(
Of course if upgrade fails you can do a clean 8 install. :)
But that assumes Mga8 works on your hardware.
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:45:13 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I just want to clarify - and reassure myself it is possible...- that in
my intention there was never the idea of keeping Mageia7 and install
mageia8 using the /spareroot
So again, apologies for repeating mysel again... when the time comes to installing Mageia8 can I just delete Mageia7 '/' and rename /spareroot
as / for Mageia8 and go ahead with the installation?
...and a side question.. /spareroot is it important its position in Diskdrake? it is at the end of the strip after /home...just wondering... Thanks in Advance...
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 06:47:35 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:55:37 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
a few clarifications:
[santo@localhost ~]$ lsblk -o NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
NAME TYPE FSTYPE MOUNTPOINT SIZE FSAVAIL FSUSED LABEL PARTLABEL
sda disk 447.1G
├─sda1 part vfat /boot/EFI 100M 69.4M 26.6M EFI system partition
├─sda2 part 16M Microsoft reserved partition
├─sda3 part ntfs /media/windows 97.1G 72.8G 24.3G System Basic data partition
├─sda4 part ntfs 498M
├─sda5 part exfat 97.7G Data Basic data partition
├─sda6 part ext4 / 29.3G 23.2G 4G
├─sda7 part swap [SWAP] 7.8G
├─sda8 part ext4 /usr/local 14.7G 13.6G 40.1M
├─sda9 part ext4 /home 170.8G 167G 123.6M
└─sda10 part ext4 /spareroot 29.3G 27.2G 44M
[santo@localhost ~]$ df
sda8 seems a waste space in your setup since it was designed to be in /.
I was under the impression that if I wanted to install e.g.
leela-zero-0.15-5.1.x86_64.rpm
A Go Game program and not have it rewritten when I do a new clean
install it should be put in a directory in a separate partition.
Previously I used to put /usr in a separate partition and put the file
there but If I understood well this is not advisable, better have a
usr/local on a separate partition for this purpose...
I am a single low end user and do not share my system with anyone...480GB
was the smallest size I was offered ( and less expensive...) and way big enough for my needs so...I do not see how else I could/should have used
that space...
Another flavour of Linux? I am not inrerested and anyway is enough to 'struggle' with one version than with two :-D
I do suggest having a second and/or third user account for testing.
I create "normnal" during install, then "junk" then regular users
starting at uid/gid 1500.
yes this I should have done. create a junk user etc...you often suggest it...I think I can still do it
You have no method of testing the next upgrade to Mageia Release 8.
:-(
Of course if upgrade fails you can do a clean 8 install. :)
But that assumes Mga8 works on your hardware.
I always do a clean install
and do not see why Mageia8 should not run on
this system hardware given that it is new...
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:45:13 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I just want to clarify - and reassure myself it is possible...- that in
my intention there was never the idea of keeping Mageia7 and install
mageia8 using the /spareroot
So again, apologies for repeating mysel again... when the time comes to installing Mageia8 can I just delete Mageia7 '/' and rename /spareroot
as / for Mageia8 and go ahead with the installation?
...and a side question.. /spareroot is it important its position in Diskdrake?
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:56:03 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 06:47:35 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:Before I forget it, again, what iso are you using for install?
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:55:37 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
Also what mirror are you using?
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:05:02 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:45:13 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I just want to clarify - and reassure myself it is possible...- that
in my intention there was never the idea of keeping Mageia7 and install
mageia8 using the /spareroot
If that is the case, /spareroot is waste of space.
You just indicated you always do clean installs, so pick new install,
sda6 and mga7 will be erased and mga7 installed.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 06:47:35 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:....
NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
NAME TYPE FSTYPE MOUNTPOINT SIZE FSAVAIL FSUSED LABEL PARTLABEL
sda disk 447.1G
├─sda1 part vfat /boot/EFI 100M 69.4M 26.6M EFI system partition
├─sda2 part 16M Microsoft
reserved partition
├─sda3 part ntfs /media/windows 97.1G 72.8G 24.3G System Basic data partition
├─sda4 part ntfs 498M ├─sda5 part exfat 97.7G Data Basic data partition
├─sda6 part ext4 / 29.3G 23.2G 4G ├─sda7 part swap [SWAP] 7.8G ├─sda8 part ext4 /usr/local 14.7G 13.6G 40.1M ├─sda9 part ext4 /home 170.8G 167G 123.6M └─sda10 part ext4 /spareroot 29.3G 27.2G 44M
sda8 seems a waste space in your setup since it was designed to be in /.
I was under the impression that if I wanted to install e.g.
leela-zero-0.15-5.1.x86_64.rpm
A Go Game program and not have it rewritten when I do a new clean
install it should be put in a directory in a separate partition.
Previously I used to put /usr in a separate partition and put the file
there but If I understood well this is not advisable, better have a usr/local on a separate partition for this purpose...
I am a single low end user and do not share my system with anyone...480GB was the smallest size I was offered ( and less expensive...) and way big enough for my needs so...I do not see how else I could/should have used
that space...
I do suggest having a second and/or third user account for testing.
I create "normnal" during install, then "junk" then regular users
starting at uid/gid 1500.
yes this I should have done. create a junk user etc...you often suggest it...I think I can still do it
I always do a clean install and do not see why Mageia8 should not run on this system hardware given that it is new...
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:56:03 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 06:47:35 -0600, Bit Twister wrote:
On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 06:55:37 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
Before I forget it, again, what iso are you using for install?
Also what mirror are you using?
a few clarifications:
[santo@localhost ~]$ lsblk -o
NAME,TYPE,FSTYPE,MOUNTPOINT,SIZE,FSAVAIL,FSUSED,LABEL,PARTLABEL
NAME TYPE FSTYPE MOUNTPOINT SIZE FSAVAIL FSUSED LABEL PARTLABEL
sda disk 447.1G
├─sda1 part vfat /boot/EFI 100M 69.4M 26.6M EFI
system partition
├─sda2 part 16M Microsoft
reserved partition
├─sda3 part ntfs /media/windows 97.1G 72.8G 24.3G System Basic
data partition
├─sda4 part ntfs 498M
├─sda5 part exfat 97.7G Data Basic
data partition
├─sda6 part ext4 / 29.3G 23.2G 4G
├─sda7 part swap [SWAP] 7.8G
├─sda8 part ext4 /usr/local 14.7G 13.6G 40.1M
├─sda9 part ext4 /home 170.8G 167G 123.6M
└─sda10 part ext4 /spareroot 29.3G 27.2G 44M
[santo@localhost ~]$ df
Just for fun, install the gparted rpm. click up a terminal, su - root
and enter gparted.
Right click the /spareroot partition, pick Name Partition.
enter mga7, click Ok, click Apply (Green check mark)
You can click up another terminal and run the lsblk command to
see the change.
Now Right click /spareroot change the Label File System option.
You have to Unmount /spareroot before you can use the Label option.
Run the lsblk command to see the change.
The purpose is correct but I maintain that usr/local should not
be shared across installs. I do not care what anyone else says
because I know for a fact it can lead to one install screwing up
the other install. :-(
Let pick a new name. /downloads. That directory will be shared across installs. You would then have downloaded leela-zero-0.15-5.1.x86_64.rpm
into that directory. Let's say you also downloaded xscorch, a game of
Tanks fighting other tanks, into /downloads.
You could then have a general purpose script to install all rpmns
found in /downloads.
and do not see why Mageia8 should not run on
this system hardware given that it is new...
That is your choice. My mga7 works without problems, and mga8 failed
to give me a login screen. I will be doing another clean install
to verify they have fix the problem.
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:45:13 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I just want to clarify - and reassure myself it is possible...- that in
my intention there was never the idea of keeping Mageia7 and install
mageia8 using the /spareroot
So again, apologies for repeating mysel again... when the time comes to installing Mageia8 can I just delete Mageia7 '/' and rename /spareroot
as / for Mageia8 and go ahead with the installation?
...and a side question.. /spareroot is it important its position in Diskdrake? it is at the end of the strip after /home...just wondering...
Thanks in Advance...
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:05:02 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:45:13 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I just want to clarify - and reassure myself it is possible...- that in
my intention there was never the idea of keeping Mageia7 and install
mageia8 using the /spareroot
If that is the case, /spareroot is waste of space. or can be storage for
use on new install. Example to store downloaded rpms.
So again, apologies for repeating mysel again... when the time comes to
installing Mageia8 can I just delete Mageia7 '/' and rename /spareroot
as / for Mageia8 and go ahead with the installation?
You just indicated you always do clean installs, so pick new install, sda6 and mga7 will be erased and mga7 installed.
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Right click the /spareroot partition, pick Name Partition.
enter mga7, click Ok, click Apply (Green check mark)
Uh, he wants that for mga8, not mga7. Labeling the partition mga7 will
only completely confuse him when he installs mga8
You can click up another terminal and run the lsblk command to
see the change.
Now Right click /spareroot change the Label File System option.
You have to Unmount /spareroot before you can use the Label option.
Run the lsblk command to see the change.
The purpose is correct but I maintain that usr/local should not
be shared across installs. I do not care what anyone else says
because I know for a fact it can lead to one install screwing up
the other install. :-(
And I do not care what you say.
I have given my reasons for
/usr/local/being a partition which is not destroyed by a new
installation.
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:05:02 +0000 (UTC), santo wrote:
On Sat, 06 Feb 2021 17:45:13 +0000, William Unruh wrote:
As mentioned he HAS an additional 30GB partition already for Mga8
intall.
I just want to clarify - and reassure myself it is possible...- that in >>> my intention there was never the idea of keeping Mageia7 and install
mageia8 using the /spareroot
If that is the case, /spareroot is waste of space. or can be storage for
use on new install. Example to store downloaded rpms.
It is not a waste of space, anymore than a backup is a waste of space.
It is an insurance policy so that if your install of Mga8 goes Kablooie,
you still can boot into mga7 and think some more.
So again, apologies for repeating mysel again... when the time comes to
installing Mageia8 can I just delete Mageia7 '/' and rename /spareroot
as / for Mageia8 and go ahead with the installation?
You just indicated you always do clean installs, so pick new install, sda6 >> and mga7 will be erased and mga7 installed.
What??? They will not be erased unless you stupidly tell the system to
erase them.
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:48:15 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Right click the /spareroot partition, pick Name Partition.
enter mga7, click Ok, click Apply (Green check mark)
Uh, he wants that for mga8, not mga7. Labeling the partition mga7 will
only completely confuse him when he installs mga8
You are correct, I have problems hitting the 8 key. :(
Note- that was a paraphrase of a quote by you (see the line 5 above this).
You can click up another terminal and run the lsblk command to
see the change.
Now Right click /spareroot change the Label File System option.
You have to Unmount /spareroot before you can use the Label option.
Run the lsblk command to see the change.
The purpose is correct but I maintain that usr/local should not
be shared across installs. I do not care what anyone else says
because I know for a fact it can lead to one install screwing up
the other install. :-(
And I do not care what you say.
How sad. I have
$ locate /usr/local/ | wc -l
154
directories/files. all having files placed there by third party packages,
I have given my reasons for
/usr/local/being a partition which is not destroyed by a new
installation.
And yet if I were to share /usr/local between mga7 and mga8, as you
indicate, my mga8 install would overwrite the mga7 files.
I feel that it is a poor methodology to run programs compiled/linked
on a higher release on an old release system.
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:48:15 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Note- that was a paraphrase of a quote by you
And I do not care what you say.
How sad. I have
$ locate /usr/local/ | wc -l
154
directories/files. all having files placed there by third party packages,
Yes, they may have been put there by third party packages, NOT by
Mageia. And they are (almost) all no specific to Mageia 7. If you
dispute that please give us an example of a package what is Mageia 7
specific that is /usr/local.
I have given my reasons for
/usr/local/being a partition which is not destroyed by a new
installation.
And yet if I were to share /usr/local between mga7 and mga8, as you
indicate, my mga8 install would overwrite the mga7 files.
No, it would not. Mageia programs are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/lib
etc, not /usr/local/. What may put packages into /usr/local are third
party program, which are (usually) not Mageia 7 specific.
I feel that it is a poor methodology to run programs compiled/linked
on a higher release on an old release system.
As I said, my advice is for someone who is using the mageia 7 as an
insurance against Mga8 being a disaster.
If you actually keep hopping
back and forth between Mga7 and Mga8 constantly (eg if you are acting as
a cauldron tester) then other rules may apply.
And you are of course
welcome to organize your system just as you want. But in giving advice
to others, your organisation makes far more work for zero benefit.
As
far as I can tell, Santos is not going to be jumping between Mga7 and 8
and is not going to get bitten by the situation you describe (a program complied specifically for Mga 7 and running properly only on Mga 7 which
is destroyed byMga8, or vice versa).
It is of course up to the reader how much of my advice, or yours to
take.
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:42:08 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:48:15 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Note- that was a paraphrase of a quote by you
And I do not care what you say.
Quote or not, the words convey meanings which I have to take at
face value.
Yes, they may have been put there by third party packages, NOT by
How sad. I have
$ locate /usr/local/ | wc -l
154
directories/files. all having files placed there by third party packages, >>
Mageia. And they are (almost) all no specific to Mageia 7. If you
dispute that please give us an example of a package what is Mageia 7
specific that is /usr/local.
And right there is the difference between us in this thread.
I may be responding to a post, but my responses are to any
lurkers and anyone coming across this thread sometime in
future.
Yes, you are absolutely correct that Mageia install does not
put anything in /usr/local. All I am saying is that you do
not share any of the directories found in / with any other
installs. That statement will insure that one install will
cause any damage to the other install.
I have given my reasons for
/usr/local/being a partition which is not destroyed by a new
installation.
And yet if I were to share /usr/local between mga7 and mga8, as you
indicate, my mga8 install would overwrite the mga7 files.
No, it would not. Mageia programs are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/lib
etc, not /usr/local/. What may put packages into /usr/local are third
party program, which are (usually) not Mageia 7 specific.
You overlooked the term "MY INSTALL" and ignore that anyone
else's install might have files in /usr/local
I feel that it is a poor methodology to run programs compiled/linked
on a higher release on an old release system.
As I said, my advice is for someone who is using the mageia 7 as an
insurance against Mga8 being a disaster.
And yet your advice is flawed if the user has files in the shared /usr/local.
If you actually keep hopping
back and forth between Mga7 and Mga8 constantly (eg if you are acting as
a cauldron tester) then other rules may apply.
I maintain the third party type user's Mga8 install would overwrite Mga7
/usr/local files at the point they complete "THEIR" install.
And you are of course
welcome to organize your system just as you want. But in giving advice
to others, your organisation makes far more work for zero benefit.
It is not "far more work for zero benefit." and is the only way to verify
the new "Complete" install works without changing the old install.
As
far as I can tell, Santos is not going to be jumping between Mga7 and 8
and is not going to get bitten by the situation you describe (a program
complied specifically for Mga 7 and running properly only on Mga 7 which
is destroyed byMga8, or vice versa).
I completely agree with your above statement. Worse case I see for him
is he will do a clean install and if the system does not come up as the previous install, he will just clean install the old install.
It is of course up to the reader how much of my advice, or yours to
take.
Yup. I can not agree more.
On 2021-02-08, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:42:08 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:48:15 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
On 2021-02-07, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
Note- that was a paraphrase of a quote by you
And I do not care what you say.
Quote or not, the words convey meanings which I have to take at
face value.
So do yours.
Yes, you are absolutely correct that Mageia install does not
put anything in /usr/local. All I am saying is that you do
not share any of the directories found in / with any other
installs. That statement will insure that one install will
cause any damage to the other install.
I think you forgot a "not" in that last sentence.
Since ALL files and directores are under /, I also do not think you
mean the previous sentence. Perhaps you meant any files or directories on the same partition under /
I have given my reasons for
/usr/local/being a partition which is not destroyed by a new
installation.
And yet if I were to share /usr/local between mga7 and mga8, as you
indicate, my mga8 install would overwrite the mga7 files.
No, it would not. Mageia programs are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/lib
etc, not /usr/local/. What may put packages into /usr/local are third
party program, which are (usually) not Mageia 7 specific.
You overlooked the term "MY INSTALL" and ignore that anyone
else's install might have files in /usr/local
The install ( which I take to mean, the installation of a new version
of the operating system).
My claim is that if you save what is installed
under /usr/local, the time and effort saved more than makes up for the
time and effort spent on fixing stuff which breaks under the new OS
And yet your advice is flawed if the user has files in the shared /usr/local.
???? Not under the conditions I stated.
I maintain the third party type user's Mga8 install would overwrite Mga7
/usr/local files at the point they complete "THEIR" install.
Not sure what a "third part type user's Mga8 install" is.
You are a distro tester.
Note that as a tester, finding out whether Mga7 third party software
still runs under Mga8 (or vice versa) is perhaps of interest to users as well.
Since any install (even on an SSD takes many hours,
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