My problems with zoom producing insane flashing during sharing caused me
to try to see if it was Plasma that was at fault. I therefor started
xfce manager to see if I still got that flashing. My initial tests
suggest that I do not have the trouble in xfce, but it has led me the
hell of setting it up, given my familiarity with Plasma

a) When my mouse goes to an icon to start up the program, these insanely
large text explanation pop up obliterating a large amount of the icon
columns at the left edge. How do I tone them down, or get rid of them? I
have hunted through system-settings (which of course are very different
from those in Plasma) but failed to find anything.

b) I want to be able to single click on an icon to start up the program, instead I have to click 5 or 10 times to start it up. I think part of it
is those idiotic explanations getting in the way, but part of it is who-known-what.

c) There are reboot and shutdown icons on the top right of the program
bar, but no logout icon. I finally found one three layers deep if I
right click on the desktop, then go to the Other Applications menu and
go to the bottom of it. On plasma center clicking on the desktop, or
doing alt-ctrl-del brought up the various possibilities (logout, sleep,
reboot or shutdown). Even Windows has a single buttom that brings up the closing possibilities. Is there some way of doing that here?

d) alt-ctrl-bksp once or twice does not close X but instead runs
lockscreen, moe or less the exact opposite of what I wanted.

e)On my laptop I made the mistake of moving the trackpad button to off,
at which point it became totally impossible to do anything. I had to
resort to power button held down for 12 seconds and then finally go to
the console window and edit ..config/xfce/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml and changing a 0
to 1.
A mistake in setting should NOT make the system totally unoperable.

f) I switched on "tapping" for button presses in the trackpad options,
but it seems strangely insensitive. Sometimes I have to "tap" 5 or 6
times ( ie, 2 finger or 3 finger), and then it will work on the first
try thereafter.

g) When I open a new program, the window opens full screen right at the top of the
screen, with at least part of the top title bar hidden under program
bar, making it hard to move the window. I would rather it opened the
window normally (eg the same size as it last was on the desktop), and
let me make it full screen if I so desired.

h) google chrome loses its title bar, except for about a 1mm remnant at
the top. Instead the title bar is filled with the tab bar. and that 1mm
is hidden under the program bar, making it hard to move the chrome
window down (finding an unused tab location can be used to move, once
you learn that that is what it takes) This is especially bad if make the mistake of moving the chrome window to near the top of the screen and it triggers into full-screen mode.

Now some of these are just "its different than your used to, and thus frustrating" and some just seem perverse, and some I am sure that there
is some configuration hidden under one of the SystemSettings icons. (The
little explanationwindows one might hope would give on a clue, but in
general they are like the
AppImageLauncher Settings which says "Settings for AppImage Launcher".
Really helpful.
[Oh I just found where I can switch of the "tooltips". It also has a
wonderfule "size option" which going from 4 to 100 makes a difference in
size of the tooltip of about 30% (and gets bigger if you go to 1 instead
of 4) And I can also single click, instead of heptuple click to open the
item. Whee!

So if I could get hints as to where some of the other configuration
stuff re above might be hidden would be really helpful.

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On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:06:07 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

My problems with zoom producing insane flashing during sharing caused me
to try to see if it was Plasma that was at fault. I therefor started
xfce manager to see if I still got that flashing. My initial tests
suggest that I do not have the trouble in xfce, but it has led me the
hell of setting it up, given my familiarity with Plasma

Hmmm, I would have assumed you would have recognized terminology for
the same activity/configuration. I did find it handy to keep a list
of all the changes I have made and where made.

a) When my mouse goes to an icon to start up the program, these insanely large text explanation pop up obliterating a large amount of the icon
columns at the left edge. How do I tone them down, or get rid of them? I
have hunted through system-settings (which of course are very different
from those in Plasma) but failed to find anything.

I can recommend using a second account to play around in. That makes
it easy to reset and start over. Once finding a desired setting, document
it, and make the change in your user account.

$ uxfce tip
xfce4-settings-manager->Desktop->Icons->[ ] Show icon tooltips. Size (128) set 40

b) I want to be able to single click on an icon to start up the program, instead I have to click 5 or 10 times to start it up.

You need to be a bit more specific about that.

I think part of it
is those idiotic explanations getting in the way, but part of it is who-known-what.

$ uxfce single click
xfce4-settings-manager->Desktop->Icons->[x] Single click to activate items set xfce4-settings-manager->File Manager->Behavior->[x] Single click to activate items set

c) There are reboot and shutdown icons on the top right of the program
bar, but no logout icon. I finally found one three layers deep if I
right click on the desktop, then go to the Other Applications menu and
go to the bottom of it. On plasma center clicking on the desktop, or
doing alt-ctrl-del brought up the various possibilities (logout, sleep, reboot or shutdown). Even Windows has a single buttom that brings up the closing possibilities. Is there some way of doing that here?

Yup, get into the panel editor, Items, click +, enter logout in the search
box, Use up/down to configure where you want what.

d) alt-ctrl-bksp once or twice does not close X but instead runs
lockscreen, moe or less the exact opposite of what I wanted.

I suggest looking at the key definitions and learn to use them rather
than making hot keys work like Plasma.

I suggest entering shortcut in the search box, top of Settings manager. Settings manager is usually second icon in top panel, (I think)

e)On my laptop I made the mistake of moving the trackpad button to off,
at which point it became totally impossible to do anything. I had to
resort to power button held down for 12 seconds and then finally go to
the console window and edit .config/xfce/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml and changing a 0
to 1.
A mistake in setting should NOT make the system totally unoperable.

Hmm, sounds like an enhancement request.

f) I switched on "tapping" for button presses in the trackpad options,
but it seems strangely insensitive. Sometimes I have to "tap" 5 or 6
times ( ie, 2 finger or 3 finger), and then it will work on the first
try thereafter.

I can not help there, no hardware. Just good old wired mouse/keyboard.

g) When I open a new program, the window opens full screen right at the top

of the

screen, with at least part of the top title bar hidden under program
bar, making it hard to move the window.

Alt+Left mouse button should allow you drag screen wherever you like.

I would rather it opened the
window normally (eg the same size as it last was on the desktop), and
let me make it full screen if I so desired.

Sounds like that maybe application specific. I have vlc, set so I can
adjust size by corner grab. Thunderbird/Firefox remember window geometry.

h) google chrome loses its title bar, except for about a 1mm remnant at
the top. Instead the title bar is filled with the tab bar. and that 1mm
is hidden under the program bar, making it hard to move the chrome
window down (finding an unused tab location can be used to move, once
you learn that that is what it takes) This is especially bad if make the mistake of moving the chrome window to near the top of the screen and it triggers into full-screen mode.

Yup, that is a feature, my little 80x24 xterms go full screen when I
use Alt+left button to move them around. Depending on edge settings
will also move to another workspace/desktop.

Now some of these are just "its different than your used to, and thus frustrating" and some just seem perverse, and some I am sure that there
is some configuration hidden under one of the SystemSettings icons. (The little explanationwindows one might hope would give on a clue, but in
general they are like the
AppImageLauncher Settings which says "Settings for AppImage Launcher". Really helpful.
[Oh I just found where I can switch of the "tooltips". It also has a wonderfule "size option" which going from 4 to 100 makes a difference in
size of the tooltip of about 30% (and gets bigger if you go to 1 instead
of 4) And I can also single click, instead of heptuple click to open the item. Whee!

So if I could get hints as to where some of the other configuration
stuff re above might be hidden would be really helpful.

Again, suggest a test account, go through all settings. Also suggest left/right/middle click on all desktop items, and same on desktop/wallpaper.

Oh yeah,
$ uxfce dpi
xfce4-settings-manager->Appearance->Fonts->([x]) Custom DPI setting: (96) set 86

You may want to consider checking if the dpi setting matches your setup. https://www.sven.de/dpi/

Another point, you seem to have a habit of posting to both alt.os.linux.mageia and alt.os.linux.

I think you will find a few Mageia subject matter experts also lurk in
other usenet groups.

I can tell you for sure that Mageia Xfce is much different than other distribution's Xfce. As a result panel icons and whatnot instructions/locations/settings may not be the same.

Last but not least, $ uxfce keyword(s) here, is a general purpose script
which allows me to search my xfce.info text file of where I have made
my customization's.





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On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:06:07 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

My problems with zoom producing insane flashing during sharing caused me
to try to see if it was Plasma that was at fault. I therefor started
xfce manager to see if I still got that flashing. My initial tests
suggest that I do not have the trouble in xfce, but it has led me the
hell of setting it up, given my familiarity with Plasma

Hmmm, I would have assumed you would have recognized terminology for
the same activity/configuration. I did find it handy to keep a list
of all the changes I have made and where made.

I always found the Plasma Settings to be weird as well. Yes, a list
would be handy, but as always when one has wasted 5 hours trying to set
stuff up, most of it useless searching through interminable menus for
stuff put in the most improbably and obscure places, spending another 20
min writing it up is too much of a pain (yes, that just means that the
next time I discover I have to set up again I have to go through the
whole pain again.)

a) When my mouse goes to an icon to start up the program, these insanely
large text explanation pop up obliterating a large amount of the icon
columns at the left edge. How do I tone them down, or get rid of them? I
have hunted through system-settings (which of course are very different
from those in Plasma) but failed to find anything.

I can recommend using a second account to play around in. That makes
it easy to reset and start over. Once finding a desired setting, document
it, and make the change in your user account.

$ uxfce tip
xfce4-settings-manager->Desktop->Icons->[ ] Show icon tooltips. Size (128)

set 40

As I said that does not seem to do anything (it seems to alter the size
by an insignificant amount)

b) I want to be able to single click on an icon to start up the program,
instead I have to click 5 or 10 times to start it up.

You need to be a bit more specific about that.

I now do use single click on the icons, but before I found the place to impliment that, I would have to click furiously on the icon to get the
program to start up. sometimes twice, sometimes 5 times or more to
finally get it to start.

I think part of it
is those idiotic explanations getting in the way, but part of it is
who-known-what.

$ uxfce single click
xfce4-settings-manager->Desktop->Icons->[x] Single click to activate items

set

xfce4-settings-manager->File Manager->Behavior->[x] Single click to activate

items set

c) There are reboot and shutdown icons on the top right of the program
bar, but no logout icon. I finally found one three layers deep if I
right click on the desktop, then go to the Other Applications menu and
go to the bottom of it. On plasma center clicking on the desktop, or
doing alt-ctrl-del brought up the various possibilities (logout, sleep,
reboot or shutdown). Even Windows has a single buttom that brings up the
closing possibilities. Is there some way of doing that here?

Yup, get into the panel editor, Items, click +, enter logout in the search box, Use up/down to configure where you want what.

OK Thanks very useful

d) alt-ctrl-bksp once or twice does not close X but instead runs
lockscreen, moe or less the exact opposite of what I wanted.

I suggest looking at the key definitions and learn to use them rather
than making hot keys work like Plasma.

I suggest entering shortcut in the search box, top of Settings manager. Settings manager is usually second icon in top panel, (I think)

OK, that gives me a bunch of unmemorable shortcuts, but nothing like the
one I use (kill the desktop in Plasma)

e)On my laptop I made the mistake of moving the trackpad button to off,
at which point it became totally impossible to do anything. I had to
resort to power button held down for 12 seconds and then finally go to
the console window and edit
.config/xfce/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xsettings.xml and changing a 0
to 1.
A mistake in setting should NOT make the system totally unoperable.

Hmm, sounds like an enhancement request.

A bug I would say.

f) I switched on "tapping" for button presses in the trackpad options,
but it seems strangely insensitive. Sometimes I have to "tap" 5 or 6
times ( ie, 2 finger or 3 finger), and then it will work on the first
try thereafter.

I can not help there, no hardware. Just good old wired mouse/keyboard.

g) When I open a new program, the window opens full screen right at the top of the
screen, with at least part of the top title bar hidden under program
bar, making it hard to move the window.

Alt+Left mouse button should allow you drag screen wherever you like.

I would rather it opened the
window normally (eg the same size as it last was on the desktop), and
let me make it full screen if I so desired.

Sounds like that maybe application specific. I have vlc, set so I can
adjust size by corner grab. Thunderbird/Firefox remember window geometry.

h) google chrome loses its title bar, except for about a 1mm remnant at
the top. Instead the title bar is filled with the tab bar. and that 1mm
is hidden under the program bar, making it hard to move the chrome
window down (finding an unused tab location can be used to move, once
you learn that that is what it takes) This is especially bad if make the
mistake of moving the chrome window to near the top of the screen and it
triggers into full-screen mode.

Yup, that is a feature, my little 80x24 xterms go full screen when I
use Alt+left button to move them around. Depending on edge settings
will also move to another workspace/desktop.

Now some of these are just "its different than your used to, and thus
frustrating" and some just seem perverse, and some I am sure that there
is some configuration hidden under one of the SystemSettings icons. (The
little explanationwindows one might hope would give on a clue, but in
general they are like the
AppImageLauncher Settings which says "Settings for AppImage Launcher".
Really helpful.
[Oh I just found where I can switch of the "tooltips". It also has a
wonderfule "size option" which going from 4 to 100 makes a difference in
size of the tooltip of about 30% (and gets bigger if you go to 1 instead
of 4) And I can also single click, instead of heptuple click to open the
item. Whee!

So if I could get hints as to where some of the other configuration
stuff re above might be hidden would be really helpful.

Again, suggest a test account, go through all settings. Also suggest left/right/middle click on all desktop items, and same on desktop/wallpaper.

Oh yeah,
$ uxfce dpi
xfce4-settings-manager->Appearance->Fonts->([x]) Custom DPI setting: (96)

set 86

You may want to consider checking if the dpi setting matches your setup. https://www.sven.de/dpi/

Another point, you seem to have a habit of posting to both

alt.os.linux.mageia

and alt.os.linux.

Primarily when I think that other distributions might also be able to contribute answers. I did not regard XFCE as a Mageia thing, just as I
do not regard Plasma as a Mageia thing. But you also open my eyes that
Mageia has spent time and effort fixing up XFCE as well as Plasma.
Certainly XFCE is not as frightening and weird as I thought it would be.
I may even grow to like it.

I think you will find a few Mageia subject matter experts also lurk in
other usenet groups.

I can tell you for sure that Mageia Xfce is much different than other distribution's Xfce. As a result panel icons and whatnot instructions/locations/settings may not be the same.

Last but not least, $ uxfce keyword(s) here, is a general purpose script which allows me to search my xfce.info text file of where I have made
my customization's.

Ah, I presume it is just something like grep "$2 $3 $4 $5" xfce.info






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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 04:34:48 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:06:07 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

$ uxfce tip
xfce4-settings-manager->Desktop->Icons->[ ] Show icon tooltips. Size (128) set 40

As I said that does not seem to do anything (it seems to alter the size
by an insignificant amount)

Yeah, I saw your comment, but on my setup 140 is twice the size
of my 40 setting. Your single digit setting may be root cause of your
lack of adjustment. I icon size set at 22 and tip at 40 which gets me
about a 1 inch high by 4 long tool tip.

I now do use single click on the icons, but before I found the place to impliment that, I would have to click furiously on the icon to get the program to start up. sometimes twice, sometimes 5 times or more to
finally get it to start.

I find exact center of icon click is a solid launch. Then again, I am
using a mouse.

Another point, you seem to have a habit of posting to both alt.os.linux.mageia
and alt.os.linux.

Primarily when I think that other distributions might also be able to contribute answers. I did not regard XFCE as a Mageia thing, just as I
do not regard Plasma as a Mageia thing. But you also open my eyes that
Mageia has spent time and effort fixing up XFCE as well as Plasma.
Certainly XFCE is not as frightening and weird as I thought it would be.
I may even grow to like it.

I like the speed and have configured mine with the look and feel of kde 3.

Last but not least, $ uxfce keyword(s) here, is a general purpose script
which allows me to search my xfce.info text file of where I have made
my customization's.

Ah, I presume it is just something like grep "$2 $3 $4 $5" xfce.info

All most, but not quite, for each argument after the first, a
| grep -Eie \""$n\""
is appended. and after no other arguments to parse, launch the
command string.

Do document your changes. Once in awhile a new xfce rpm will tell you
to delete ~/.config/thundar and ~/.config/xfce4 wiping out your changes.

I used xfconf-query to run down the great majority of my changes then
used it to set all my changes except panel changes. Found a script
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8619
I modified to automate my panel changes.


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On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

h) google chrome loses its title bar, except for about a 1mm remnant at
the top. Instead the title bar is filled with the tab bar. and that 1mm
is hidden under the program bar, making it hard to move the chrome
window down (finding an unused tab location can be used to move, once
you learn that that is what it takes) This is especially bad if make the
mistake of moving the chrome window to near the top of the screen and it
triggers into full-screen mode.

Yup, that is a feature, my little 80x24 xterms go full screen when I
use Alt+left button to move them around. Depending on edge settings
will also move to another workspace/desktop.

So you have not come across anything which will prevent the windows from
going full screen if I move them too close to the top edge? It is really frustrating.


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On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 17:40:42 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

h) google chrome loses its title bar, except for about a 1mm remnant at
the top. Instead the title bar is filled with the tab bar. and that 1mm
is hidden under the program bar, making it hard to move the chrome
window down (finding an unused tab location can be used to move, once
you learn that that is what it takes) This is especially bad if make the >>> mistake of moving the chrome window to near the top of the screen and it >>> triggers into full-screen mode.

Yup, that is a feature, my little 80x24 xterms go full screen when I
use Alt+left button to move them around. Depending on edge settings
will also move to another workspace/desktop.

So you have not come across anything which will prevent the windows from going full screen if I move them too close to the top edge?

Never bothered to look. Not a problem to me.

It is really frustrating.

You might want to bookmark the following url
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
Putting
linux xfce disable full screen
gets me
About 1,110,000 results (0.79 seconds)

And I would think the answer may be found in the first or second links.





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On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 17:40:42 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

h) google chrome loses its title bar, except for about a 1mm remnant at >>>> the top. Instead the title bar is filled with the tab bar. and that 1mm >>>> is hidden under the program bar, making it hard to move the chrome
window down (finding an unused tab location can be used to move, once
you learn that that is what it takes) This is especially bad if make the >>>> mistake of moving the chrome window to near the top of the screen and it >>>> triggers into full-screen mode.

Yup, that is a feature, my little 80x24 xterms go full screen when I
use Alt+left button to move them around. Depending on edge settings
will also move to another workspace/desktop.

So you have not come across anything which will prevent the windows from
going full screen if I move them too close to the top edge?

Never bothered to look. Not a problem to me.

It is really frustrating.

You might want to bookmark the following url
https://www.google.com/advanced_search
Putting
linux xfce disable full screen
gets me
About 1,110,000 results (0.79 seconds)

And I would think the answer may be found in the first or second links.

It was. The answer is
Settings->WindowsManagerTweaks->Accessibility->uncheck Automatically tile window...

Thanks

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2020 04:34:48 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:06:07 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

My problems with zoom producing insane flashing during sharing caused me >>> to try to see if it was Plasma that was at fault. I therefor started
xfce manager to see if I still got that flashing. My initial tests
suggest that I do not have the trouble in xfce, but it has led me the
hell of setting it up, given my familiarity with Plasma

[...snip...]

I now do use single click on the icons, but before I found the place to impliment that, I would have to click furiously on the icon to get the program to start up. sometimes twice, sometimes 5 times or more to
finally get it to start.

Perhaps Settings->Mouse and Touchpad->Behavior->Double Click
settings are to tight for you?

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On 2020-12-03, Joe Beanfish <joebeanfish@nospam.duh> wrote:

On Tue, 01 Dec 2020 04:34:48 +0000, William Unruh wrote:

On 2020-12-01, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:06:07 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:

My problems with zoom producing insane flashing during sharing caused me >>>> to try to see if it was Plasma that was at fault. I therefor started
xfce manager to see if I still got that flashing. My initial tests
suggest that I do not have the trouble in xfce, but it has led me the
hell of setting it up, given my familiarity with Plasma

[...snip...]

I now do use single click on the icons, but before I found the place to
impliment that, I would have to click furiously on the icon to get the
program to start up. sometimes twice, sometimes 5 times or more to
finally get it to start.

Perhaps Settings->Mouse and Touchpad->Behavior->Double Click
settings are to tight for you?

I wanted single click and managed to find where to enable that, so
things now work. Perhaps what you suggest was a problem with double
click. It did not seem to be that, but it is hard to measure just by my
mind what the click-interval is.

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