Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
On 11/26/20 6:44 AM, Jim Beard wrote:
The same to you Jim Beard and to all the Mageia crew.
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
A very Happy Thanksgiving Day aka Harvest Festival.
Wear a mask around non-housemates, keep 6 feet or 2 meters
away from the unmasked, wash your hands at every occasion
and call the relatives who are sensible enough to stay in
their own quarters rather than mixing with your own household.
On 2020-11-26, Bobbie Sellers <bliss@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 11/26/20 6:44 AM, Jim Beard wrote:
The same to you Jim Beard and to all the Mageia crew.
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
A very Happy Thanksgiving Day aka Harvest Festival.
Wear a mask around non-housemates, keep 6 feet or 2 meters
Actually keep 2m away from even the masked. Masks are not perfect,
either on their end or on yours. Why inhale even somewhat attentuated viruses. And if at all possible, keep everything very well ventilated
(eg keep the doors and windows open.)
away from the unmasked, wash your hands at every occasion
Air hygiene is much more important than hand hygiene, but there is no downside to hand hygiene either.
and call the relatives who are sensible enough to stay in
their own quarters rather than mixing with your own household.
But yes, have a very happy Thanksgiving and many more to come.
bliss - “Nearly any fool can use a computer. Many do.” After all here I am...
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year .... and may 2021 be at least a bit better than 2020!! ;-P
(Hmm!! Remember when 20:20 mean Perfect Vision?? This 2020 has been
anything but perfect!!)
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year .... and may 2021 be at least a bit better than 2020!! ;-P
(Hmm!! Remember when 20:20 mean Perfect Vision?? This 2020 has been
anything but perfect!!)
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
When is your Harvest Festival? Maybe in May?
But every couple of years around Thanksgiving we have an extra reason to rejoice (in the USA). The Elections with all their waste of
otherwise productive time are over.
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.own.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
When is your Harvest Festival? Maybe in May?
Australians/South Africans and South Americans gotta have their
But Abraham in the midst of the Civil War in the USA put it on the
present schedule. Before that a Day of Thanksgiving was proclaimed by
George Washington but the reason was Evacuation Day when the British
Army evacuated New York City following our Revolutionary War. Each State
set their own days but Mr. Lincoln settled the matter.
firesMerry Christmas and Happy New Year .... and may 2021 be at least a bit
better than 2020!! ;-P
(Hmm!! Remember when 20:20 mean Perfect Vision?? This 2020 has been
anything but perfect!!)
But it has been very really surreal. One note I have a chronic
illness that saps my energy. I was living as though under only
essential trips outside my home for the last 20 years or so. Covid-19
added a mask/face covering which might help with my allergies.
The most surreal day of all was when the smoke from our wild
held in place over San Francisco and it was like living in a world of brighter night, very red sky. The next day it fell into our breathingreason
zone and I had to wear an N95 mask left over from a similar smoke
situation a year or two back. Those N95s are very restrictive, though.
But every couple of years around Thanksgiving we have an extra
to rejoice (in the USA). The Elections with all their waste of
otherwise productive time are over.
Anyway Happy Holidays to all who are not in a Holi-daze already.
bliss
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Australians/South Africans and South Americans gotta have their own. But Abraham in the midst of the Civil War in the USA put it on
the present schedule. Before that a Day of Thanksgiving was proclaimed
by George Washington but the reason was Evacuation Day when the British
Army evacuated New York City following our Revolutionary War. Each
State set their own days but Mr. Lincoln settled the matter.
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
When is your Harvest Festival? Maybe in May?
Australians/South Africans and South Americans gotta have their own. But Abraham in the midst of the Civil War in the USA put it onDaniel
the present schedule. Before that a Day of Thanksgiving was proclaimed
by George Washington but the reason was Evacuation Day when the British
Army evacuated New York City following our Revolutionary War. Each
State set their own days but Mr. Lincoln settled the matter.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year .... and may 2021 be at least a bit
better than 2020!! ;-P
(Hmm!! Remember when 20:20 mean Perfect Vision?? This 2020 has been
anything but perfect!!)
But it has been very really surreal. One note I have a chronic illness that saps my energy. I was living as though under only
essential trips outside my home for the last 20 years or so. Covid-19
added a mask/face covering which might help with my allergies.
The most surreal day of all was when the smoke from our wild fires was held in place over San Francisco and it was like living in
a world of brighter night, very red sky. The next day it fell into
our breathing zone and I had to wear an N95 mask left over from
a similar smoke situation a year or two back. Those N95s are very restrictive, though.
But every couple of years around Thanksgiving we have an extra reason to rejoice (in the USA). The Elections with all their waste of otherwise productive time are over.
Anyway Happy Holidays to all who are not in a Holi-daze already.
bliss--
Bobbie Sellers wrote on 28/11/20 03:09:
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
I thought "Thanksgiving" was to commemorate the original "White man"
escaping Europe/U.K., coming to Northern America!!
Or did I think is was to commemorate some sort of "Peace" between The
Whites and the "Redskins" .... so they sat down to a commemorative meal!
The event that Americans commonly call the "First Thanksgiving" wascelebrated by the Pilgrims after their first harvest in the New World in October 1621. This feast lasted three days, and—as recounted by attendee Edward Winslow— was attended by 90 Wampanoag and 53 Pilgrims."
Op Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:59:55 +1100, schreef Daniel65:
Bobbie Sellers wrote on 28/11/20 03:09:
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is
in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
I thought "Thanksgiving" was to commemorate the original "White man"
escaping Europe/U.K., coming to Northern America!!
Or did I think is was to commemorate some sort of "Peace" between The
Whites and the "Redskins" .... so they sat down to a commemorative
meal!
I quote from Wikipedia:
"
The event that Americans commonly call the "First Thanksgiving" wascelebrated by the Pilgrims after their first harvest in the New World in October 1621. This feast lasted three days, and—as recounted by attendee Edward Winslow— was attended by 90 Wampanoag and 53 Pilgrims."
But I have read in some book that the Pilgrims failed to grow enough "European" food to keep going, and they were shown by the natives how to
use the local products for food. So the natives saved the Pilgrims from starvation. And that's something which doesn't fit well in the "white superiority" attitude of that time and long after.
And that is not so unlikely, since 150 years later, the first settlers
in Sydney Cove also to a certaint extent depended on the Navy bringing
in food.
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:59:18 +0000, Herman Viaene wrote:
Op Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:59:55 +1100, schreef Daniel65:
Bobbie Sellers wrote on 28/11/20 03:09:
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is
in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
I thought "Thanksgiving" was to commemorate the original "White man"
escaping Europe/U.K., coming to Northern America!!
Or did I think is was to commemorate some sort of "Peace" between The
Whites and the "Redskins" .... so they sat down to a commemorative
meal!
I quote from Wikipedia:
"
The event that Americans commonly call the "First Thanksgiving" wascelebrated by the Pilgrims after their first harvest in the New World in
October 1621. This feast lasted three days, and—as recounted by attendee >> Edward Winslow— was attended by 90 Wampanoag and 53 Pilgrims."
But I have read in some book that the Pilgrims failed to grow enough
"European" food to keep going, and they were shown by the natives how to
use the local products for food. So the natives saved the Pilgrims from
starvation. And that's something which doesn't fit well in the "white
superiority" attitude of that time and long after.
And that is not so unlikely, since 150 years later, the first settlers
in Sydney Cove also to a certaint extent depended on the Navy bringing
in food.
IIRC, during that first year, the Pilgrims lost about half their
population, with famine the main contributor and disease (malnutrition
was conducive to disease and new varieties of pathogens were plentiful)
and accidents etc accounting for the rest. Wars by and against the
Indians came much later.
The problem with disease was non-trivial. Known as "the seasoning" in Connecticut and Massachusetts, it was a recognized "you bet your life" initial hazard for any new arrivals. Many lost the bet.
One problem was unfamiliarity with how to grow native foods, or any foods
for that matter. The Pilgrims were wealthy, not farmers, and expected
the lower class to do all the work involved in agriculture and other production of necessaries.
Hence, the wealthier expected those of "lesser status" to do all the work
for them. The limited number of those brought along, and their
reluctance to work hard only to see the output go to others, was the fundamental problem underlying the famine.
The dictum "No Work, No Eat" was applied more than once in the early days
of the Colonies. Jamestown was one instance, but I think the Pilgrims
did much the same. It proved effective, and thus the celebration a year later for those who survived the early mistakes and prospered on the
ample and fertile land they settled on.
Cheers!
jim b.
On 12/19/20 6:55 AM, Jim Beard wrote:
On Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:59:18 +0000, Herman Viaene wrote:
Op Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:59:55 +1100, schreef Daniel65:
Bobbie Sellers wrote on 28/11/20 03:09:
On 11/27/20 1:35 AM, Daniel65 wrote:
Jim Beard wrote on 27/11/20 01:44:
But what am I to do if Thanksgiving doesn't fall on my calendar??
Regardless of where the holiday falls on your calendar!
Cheers!
jim b.
In the Northern Hemisphere write it in when the harvest is >>>>> in.
Maybe earlier in Alaska and Siberia than in Middle North America.
The Canadians got their Thanksgiving Day a few weeks earlier.
I thought "Thanksgiving" was to commemorate the original "White man"
escaping Europe/U.K., coming to Northern America!!
Or did I think is was to commemorate some sort of "Peace" between The
Whites and the "Redskins" .... so they sat down to a commemorative
meal!
I quote from Wikipedia:
"
The event that Americans commonly call the "First Thanksgiving" wascelebrated by the Pilgrims after their first harvest in the New World
in October 1621. This feast lasted three days, and—as recounted by
attendee Edward Winslow— was attended by 90 Wampanoag and 53
Pilgrims."
But I have read in some book that the Pilgrims failed to grow enough
"European" food to keep going, and they were shown by the natives how
to use the local products for food. So the natives saved the Pilgrims
from starvation. And that's something which doesn't fit well in the
"white superiority" attitude of that time and long after.
And that is not so unlikely, since 150 years later, the first settlers
in Sydney Cove also to a certaint extent depended on the Navy bringing
in food.
IIRC, during that first year, the Pilgrims lost about half their
population, with famine the main contributor and disease (malnutrition
was conducive to disease and new varieties of pathogens were plentiful)
and accidents etc accounting for the rest. Wars by and against the
Indians came much later.
The problem with disease was non-trivial. Known as "the seasoning" in
Connecticut and Massachusetts, it was a recognized "you bet your life"
initial hazard for any new arrivals. Many lost the bet.
One problem was unfamiliarity with how to grow native foods, or any
foods for that matter. The Pilgrims were wealthy, not farmers, and
expected the lower class to do all the work involved in agriculture and
other production of necessaries.
The Pilgrims were poor and had to do very poor paying jobs in the Netherlands. You can easily find the details of how they raised money
to pay for the Mayflower voyage.
The Puritans who came later were better off.
Hence, the wealthier expected those of "lesser status" to do all the
work for them. The limited number of those brought along, and their
reluctance to work hard only to see the output go to others, was the
fundamental problem underlying the famine.
As you mention above they were not farmers but city folk.
The dictum "No Work, No Eat" was applied more than once in the early
days of the Colonies. Jamestown was one instance, but I think the
Pilgrims did much the same. It proved effective, and thus the
celebration a year later for those who survived the early mistakes and
prospered on the ample and fertile land they settled on.
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