• Problems with zoom and sharing

    From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 4 04:41:32 2020
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put
    the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts
    of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the
    shared screen. Then 1/2 a sec later it will show the shared screen only,
    then it will show different parts of the desktop and parts of other
    windows and part of the shared screen, then different views than back to
    the shared screen only, etc. It of course makes sharing useless. Often,
    but not always it seems, if I remove the cursor from that shared window,
    it will be stable ( but of course I then have no way of "pointing out"
    stuff on the shared window). Has anyone else seen this happening?

    Mageia 7.1 updated.

    This has now been going on for about 3 weeks. I upgraded to z00m 5.4,
    using either the tar file (for other verseions) or the fedora version rpm,(5.4.53350.1027) and both crashed (zoom never ran) this was upgraded from the 5.2.x
    version where I originally had the problem with the shattering view by
    others when I shared. I then installed the Redhat 6.3 version of that
    upgrade, and it at least runs, but still has that sharing problem.

    I went back to 5.0.399860.0429 and at first it also had the same
    problems, but finally when I enabled the "Show Zoom windows during sharescreen", it seemed to stablize the sharescreen so that the shared
    screen no longer shattered (I have a laptop which I can use to be a
    guest on a zoom session that I host.)

    Note that this problem also occurs if someone else is hosting and they
    allow me to share my screen.


    Has anyone seen anything like this?



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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 4 04:58:36 2020
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 04:41:32 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put
    the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts
    of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the
    shared screen.

    Probably would not hurt for you to provide the down/upload speed you
    bought and/or actual values.

    A little curious about your Frame Rate from default launch of teapot
    in a terminal.

    While there what is the output from
    echo vblank_mode=$vblank_mode

    $ get_src_rpm teapot
    Looked for : teapot
    Using : /usr/bin/teapot
    Installed rpm : mesa-demos-8.4.0-2.mga7
    rpm short name: mesa-demos

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 4 05:19:14 2020
    On 2020-11-04, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 04:41:32 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put
    the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts
    of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the
    shared screen.

    Probably would not hurt for you to provide the down/upload speed you
    bought and/or actual values.

    Fibre, 1Gb/s Achieved depends on where I am going to-- from 20MB/s to
    90MB/s both upload and download.

    A little curious about your Frame Rate from default launch of teapot
    in a terminal.

    60fps on the host.

    On the host everything looks normal. It is on the guest that this
    fracturing is going on. And that seems universal, whether on my own
    laptop which is on that same fibre or on other people's machines in the UK. They all have no problem whatsoever with anyone else's sharing. It is
    my host machine that is giving the problems.



    While there what is the output from
    echo vblank_mode=$vblank_mode
    vblank_mode=

    If I do
    export vblank_mode=0
    teapot
    , I get about 1200fps



    But I think this is irrelevant. I strongly do not believe that this has anything to do with the
    rates of the machines themselves, but rather what this host is sending
    out to to the remote machines. What they are seeing is pieces of the
    hosts desktop or of other of the hosts windows replacing pieces (usually
    on the left top side)


    $ get_src_rpm teapot
    Looked for : teapot
    Using : /usr/bin/teapot
    Installed rpm : mesa-demos-8.4.0-2.mga7
    rpm short name: mesa-demos

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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 4 06:22:54 2020
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 05:19:14 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-11-04, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 04:41:32 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put
    the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts >>> of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the
    shared screen.

    Probably would not hurt for you to provide the down/upload speed you
    bought and/or actual values.

    Fibre, 1Gb/s Achieved depends on where I am going to-- from 20MB/s to
    90MB/s both upload and download.

    A little curious about your Frame Rate from default launch of teapot
    in a terminal.

    60fps on the host.

    On the host everything looks normal. It is on the guest that this
    fracturing is going on. And that seems universal, whether on my own
    laptop which is on that same fibre or on other people's machines in the UK. They all have no problem whatsoever with anyone else's sharing. It is
    my host machine that is giving the problems.



    While there what is the output from
    echo vblank_mode=$vblank_mode
    vblank_mode=

    If I do
    export vblank_mode=0
    teapot
    , I get about 1200fps



    But I think this is irrelevant.

    Well, why not rule it out.

    Close zoom.
    click up a terminal
    export vblank_mode=0
    and launch zoom from the terminal.


    Since you indicated you bought fiber with same up/download speeds,
    I would have expected 1Gb to have good numbers and zoom server would not
    be the bottleneck.

    What I am banking on is maybe less video transmission data with vblank_mode=0

    If no change then that would leave system load and the application as my
    best guess based on your comment on getting a particular version working.


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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 4 07:49:48 2020
    On 2020-11-04, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 05:19:14 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-11-04, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 04:41:32 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put >>>> the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts >>>> of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the >>>> shared screen.

    Probably would not hurt for you to provide the down/upload speed you
    bought and/or actual values.

    Fibre, 1Gb/s Achieved depends on where I am going to-- from 20MB/s to
    90MB/s both upload and download.

    A little curious about your Frame Rate from default launch of teapot
    in a terminal.

    60fps on the host.

    On the host everything looks normal. It is on the guest that this
    fracturing is going on. And that seems universal, whether on my own
    laptop which is on that same fibre or on other people's machines in the UK.
    They all have no problem whatsoever with anyone else's sharing. It is
    my host machine that is giving the problems.



    While there what is the output from
    echo vblank_mode=$vblank_mode
    vblank_mode=

    If I do
    export vblank_mode=0
    teapot
    , I get about 1200fps



    But I think this is irrelevant.

    Well, why not rule it out.

    Close zoom.
    click up a terminal
    export vblank_mode=0
    and launch zoom from the terminal.


    Since you indicated you bought fiber with same up/download speeds,
    I would have expected 1Gb to have good numbers and zoom server would not
    be the bottleneck.

    What I am banking on is maybe less video transmission data with
    vblank_mode=0

    If no change then that would leave system load and the application as my
    best guess based on your comment on getting a particular version working.


    System load is is about 50% on each core-- ie lots of overhead room
    It is not that the images are not getting out. It is that the wrong
    images are getting out. The background that is showing is not the
    background on the client. It is bits of the background on the host that is being
    transmitted-- faithfully but inappropriately.

    As i mentioned this is something which has begun occurring only
    recently. Befor that there was no problem. It is as if Qt is
    misbehaving in what it is transmitting.
    Note that on the host there is nothing of this. The picture displays
    completely properly on the host (the machine which is doing the
    sharing). It is the clients around the world that are getting garbage.
    That should have nothing to do with vblank-- that is something to do
    with the local monitor and what zoom is getting and transmitting surely
    has nothing to do with the local monitor.


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  • From Bit Twister@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 4 12:20:02 2020
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 07:49:48 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-11-04, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 05:19:14 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    On 2020-11-04, Bit Twister <BitTwister@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 4 Nov 2020 04:41:32 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put >>>>> the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts >>>>> of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the >>>>> shared screen.

    Probably would not hurt for you to provide the down/upload speed you
    bought and/or actual values.

    Fibre, 1Gb/s Achieved depends on where I am going to-- from 20MB/s to
    90MB/s both upload and download.

    A little curious about your Frame Rate from default launch of teapot
    in a terminal.

    60fps on the host.

    On the host everything looks normal. It is on the guest that this
    fracturing is going on. And that seems universal, whether on my own
    laptop which is on that same fibre or on other people's machines in the UK.
    They all have no problem whatsoever with anyone else's sharing. It is
    my host machine that is giving the problems.



    While there what is the output from
    echo vblank_mode=$vblank_mode
    vblank_mode=

    If I do
    export vblank_mode=0
    teapot
    , I get about 1200fps



    But I think this is irrelevant.

    Well, why not rule it out.

    Close zoom.
    click up a terminal
    export vblank_mode=0
    and launch zoom from the terminal.


    Since you indicated you bought fiber with same up/download speeds,
    I would have expected 1Gb to have good numbers and zoom server would not
    be the bottleneck.

    What I am banking on is maybe less video transmission data with vblank_mode=0

    If no change then that would leave system load and the application as my
    best guess based on your comment on getting a particular version working.


    System load is is about 50% on each core-- ie lots of overhead room

    Wow, that is pretty busy to me. Going to guess you are not
    running on a home computer.

    My pid counter rolls over about every 24 hours running lightdm/xfce.
    htop snippet

    1 [ 0.0%] Tasks: 110, 174 thr; 1 running
    2 [| 0.7%] Load average: 0.04 0.13 0.19
    3 [ 0.0%] Uptime: 00:14:58
    4 [ 0.0%]
    Mem[||||||||||||||||||||647M/7.78G]
    Swp[ 0K/8.00G]


    I did forget to mention checking if you were swapping or not. I would
    clear swap, run zoom and see if swap increased. For any lurkers, commands
    sync
    echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ; free -h
    swapoff -a ; swapon -a ; free -h


    It is not that the images are not getting out. It is that the wrong
    images are getting out. The background that is showing is not the
    background on the client. It is bits of the background on the host that is
    being
    transmitted-- faithfully but inappropriately.

    As i mentioned this is something which has begun occurring only
    recently. Befor that there was no problem. It is as if Qt is
    misbehaving in what it is transmitting.
    Note that on the host there is nothing of this. The picture displays completely properly on the host (the machine which is doing the
    sharing). It is the clients around the world that are getting garbage.
    That should have nothing to do with vblank-- that is something to do
    with the local monitor and what zoom is getting and transmitting surely
    has nothing to do with the local monitor.

    Well, you can surmise all you like. Personally, I would verify vblank is
    not helping or hurting.

    If "used to work" is your baseline for mga7 then and now, then I suggest kernel, video driver, firmware, mesa changes are causing the problem.

    Your original post about using mouse pointing was causing bad video
    artifacts degrading the displayed output on attendees system suggested
    to me that vblank might/would help.

    Having never used zoom, I have no idea how it manages that users are
    running at different resolutions.


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  • From Doug Laidlaw@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 11 11:07:42 2020
    On 4/11/20 3:41 pm, William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put
    the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts
    of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the
    shared screen. Then 1/2 a sec later it will show the shared screen only,
    then it will show different parts of the desktop and parts of other
    windows and part of the shared screen, then different views than back to
    the shared screen only, etc. It of course makes sharing useless. Often,
    but not always it seems, if I remove the cursor from that shared window,
    it will be stable ( but of course I then have no way of "pointing out"
    stuff on the shared window). Has anyone else seen this happening?

    Mageia 7.1 updated.

    This has now been going on for about 3 weeks. I upgraded to z00m 5.4,
    using either the tar file (for other verseions) or the fedora version rpm,(5.4.53350.1027) and both crashed (zoom never ran) this was upgraded
    from the 5.2.x
    version where I originally had the problem with the shattering view by
    others when I shared. I then installed the Redhat 6.3 version of that upgrade, and it at least runs, but still has that sharing problem.

    I went back to 5.0.399860.0429 and at first it also had the same
    problems, but finally when I enabled the "Show Zoom windows during sharescreen", it seemed to stablize the sharescreen so that the shared
    screen no longer shattered (I have a laptop which I can use to be a
    guest on a zoom session that I host.)

    Note that this problem also occurs if someone else is hosting and they
    allow me to share my screen.


    Has anyone seen anything like this?


    I looked into running zoom on Mageia 7. There is a library unavailable.
    There is a version of the library on rpmdrake, but not for this job.
    Bruno Cornec on Mageia Planet, gives instructions to run Fedora's Zoom
    in a Docker container:
    (sorry, I can't find a link, and without it, I can't be more specific.)
    I tried this, but couldn't configure the container correctly.

    I received a "failed dependancy" message specifying the library.

    HTH,

    Doug.

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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 11 17:26:33 2020
    On 2020-11-11, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
    On 4/11/20 3:41 pm, William Unruh wrote:
    I am having severe problems with zoom and sharing. When I do and I put
    the mouse onto the shared widow, the other people see a horrible
    "flashing"-- instead of showing the shared window, zoom shows them parts
    of my desktop, parts of other windows on the desktop, and parts of the
    shared screen. Then 1/2 a sec later it will show the shared screen only,
    then it will show different parts of the desktop and parts of other
    windows and part of the shared screen, then different views than back to
    the shared screen only, etc. It of course makes sharing useless. Often,
    but not always it seems, if I remove the cursor from that shared window,
    it will be stable ( but of course I then have no way of "pointing out"
    stuff on the shared window). Has anyone else seen this happening?

    Mageia 7.1 updated.

    This has now been going on for about 3 weeks. I upgraded to z00m 5.4,
    using either the tar file (for other verseions) or the fedora version
    rpm,(5.4.53350.1027) and both crashed (zoom never ran) this was upgraded from the 5.2.x
    version where I originally had the problem with the shattering view by
    others when I shared. I then installed the Redhat 6.3 version of that
    upgrade, and it at least runs, but still has that sharing problem.

    I went back to 5.0.399860.0429 and at first it also had the same
    problems, but finally when I enabled the "Show Zoom windows during
    sharescreen", it seemed to stablize the sharescreen so that the shared
    screen no longer shattered (I have a laptop which I can use to be a
    guest on a zoom session that I host.)

    Note that this problem also occurs if someone else is hosting and they
    allow me to share my screen.


    Has anyone seen anything like this?


    I looked into running zoom on Mageia 7. There is a library unavailable.
    There is a version of the library on rpmdrake, but not for this job.
    The Mageia version of zoom on in Mga7 has nothing to do with the video interaction program it is "an interpreter for playing all of Infocom's text adventures and
    newer games using the same format (Z-CODE)").
    So you have to download the program from the Zoom site (zoom.us) --
    using now the REdhat 6.3 version rpm. The Fedora and the later Redhat
    use a later version of Qt that Mageia does not support. Unfortunately
    the "generic" version has zero installation instructions, which is of
    course idiotic. Zoom seems to include the Qt libraries it uses, but
    setting it up to actually use them I am unclear about.

    I can install zoom and it works for almost everything
    except sharing. For the sharing I have discovered that if in the Video settings, I set the camera to HD, the problem with the sharing on the
    clients does not seem to occur (I cannot really test it adequately). (My
    camera is the logitech C930e which is an HD camera.) But why this would
    cause trouble on sharing ( which does not use the camera at all) is
    rather beyond me.

    There is a version of the library on rpmdrake, but not for this job.

    Which library? Why would you keep it secret? But as I said, I have
    installed Zoom, and am running most of it on Mageia 7. It
    certainly would be good if Mageia packaged a installation rpm for a more
    recent version of zoom. I cannot imagine that I am the only one in the
    world running Zoom on Mageia.

    Bruno Cornec on Mageia Planet, gives instructions to run Fedora's Zoom
    in a Docker container:

    Planet Mageia does not seem to exist anymore.


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  • From William Unruh@2:250/1 to All on Wed Nov 11 20:08:51 2020
    On 2020-11-11, William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
    On 2020-11-11, Doug Laidlaw <laidlaws@hotkey.net.au> wrote:
    On 4/11/20 3:41 pm, William Unruh wrote:
    .....
    I looked into running zoom on Mageia 7. There is a library unavailable.
    There is a version of the library on rpmdrake, but not for this job.
    The Mageia version of zoom on in Mga7 has nothing to do with the video interaction program it is "an interpreter for playing all of Infocom's text
    adventures and
    newer games using the same format (Z-CODE)").
    So you have to download the program from the Zoom site (zoom.us) --
    using now the REdhat 6.3 version rpm. The Fedora and the later Redhat
    use a later version of Qt that Mageia does not support. Unfortunately
    the "generic" version has zero installation instructions, which is of
    course idiotic. Zoom seems to include the Qt libraries it uses, but
    setting it up to actually use them I am unclear about.

    I can install zoom and it works for almost everything
    except sharing. For the sharing I have discovered that if in the Video settings, I set the camera to HD, the problem with the sharing on the
    clients does not seem to occur (I cannot really test it adequately). (My camera is the logitech C930e which is an HD camera.) But why this would
    cause trouble on sharing ( which does not use the camera at all) is
    rather beyond me.

    There is a version of the library on rpmdrake, but not for this job.

    Which library? Why would you keep it secret? But as I said, I have
    installed Zoom, and am running most of it on Mageia 7. It
    certainly would be good if Mageia packaged a installation rpm for a more recent version of zoom. I cannot imagine that I am the only one in the
    world running Zoom on Mageia.

    Bruno Cornec on Mageia Planet, gives instructions to run Fedora's Zoom
    in a Docker container:

    Planet Mageia does not seem to exist anymore.


    I have come across a web site on Mageia for Zoom installation https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Using_Zoom_communication_application

    The latest is for installing zoom 5.0

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